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Rating a 90% Physical Resistance Syreens Doomstack
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AI: Burning head straight into his own units
Also AI: Masterfully curved fireball that hits three moving squads
Fireball tracking hax?
Somebody: Makes Vampire coast doomstack
Legend: It is great... but you can just necroflex
Necrofex is the VC Treeman
@@Alex-hj5el a treeman that shoots
@@Alex-hj5el Or the High Elves dragons, or the WoC Shaggoth
@@matiasmattera6650 I wouldn't put dragon spam on the same rank as Necro, Shaggoth and Treeman spam
@@theeverchosen1504 How so? Dragons are the go-to doomstack if you don't have DLCs and with Imrik they are monsters (pun intended)
Random Empire trooper: Don’t stop until they’re all dead!
Syreens: ...
Syreens: And I took that personally.
Legendoftotalwar is commendable in showing remarkable self-control in resisting the urge to apply wind of death where the empire troops are most populated
I would have loved to see the wind of death though.. Would have been so juicy
I think that might have been missing the point of that doomstack though. My thought on first seeing it was that the purpose of the Syreens was to hold the enemy in place so that you were free to slaughter them with magic. That is reinforced by the presence of so many wizards in the army, getting the winds of magic up so you can use lots of spells.
@@docquanta6869 True, but at the same time, how does that doomstack work by itself?
Five wizards in an army? Well obviously I won't be using any magic. By the way you have too many wizards in this army.
@@docquanta6869 I get the decision. Personally I wouldn't mind because the wizards are part of the stack as well.
I really like the mid-game doomstacks folks sometimes send in, fun to watch!
Yeah me too. You have to get to late game first, you know!
Lokhir's Corsair Handbows is my favorite early to mid game doomstack. So much armor piercing.
Jesus Christ. Syreens are weak against magic and suddenly every and their uncle have fireball shots
saw that too! the ai is a sneaky one.
Ai is getting better and better
9:08 Legend defeated his inner Skaven, yes-yes.
AI: *Fireball, fireball, fireball, fireball FIREBALL*
Also AI: "Cast Burning Head on your allies!"
JUST FIREBALL
@@dark_side_cookies Yes of course! always the burning head on their own troops lol
It was so painful to watch Legend not using Wind of Death on that huge blob of melee infantry at 9:10
Yet understandable after the bloodknight doomstack vid. critics.
me too that so pain to watch
Legend intentionally not using wind of death is like cookie monster choosing not eating a cookie.
Oscar the Grouch taking a shower
Miss Piggy being a chill homegirl.
I think that ethereal units should be unaffected by terrain and have perfect vigor.
Undead should have perfect vigour.
@@FuelDropforthewin you guys do realise the undead don't use the normal vigour system, right?
@@Damo2690 oh, I didn't think of that, my bad
They should be able to go through walls in sieges too
@@Damo2690 They don't? Since when? Enlighten me, please.
Audience: "I can't believe you used magic!"
Audience: "I can't believe you didn't use magic!"
Dear Great Horned Rat, for Easter can you bestow upon Legend the nuance and foresight needed to make everyone satisfied, thanks in advance.
Audience: "But, Legend, nuance and foresight are cheeeeeese!"
*Provides Doomrocket* "Baby you're a firework"
75% resistance means physical attacks do a 1/4 of their normal damage.
90% resistance means physical attacks do a 1/10 of their normal damage.
Those 15% divide the damage your units take by 2,5 which is insane.
Fuck! math is awesome!
You can get the syreens an extra 20% magic resistance if you defeat kemmler and have the black pyramid of nagash
It's capped at 90%, any extra increase will be ignored.
@@luxource that's why he said "magic resistance"
@@royalmeykash True, I completely misread that, thanks!
@@luxource same
That´s a nice bonus for sure, but honestly, not even remotely worth the effort. They will still get rekt by any magic attacks, so you will still have to keep them away from those, and getting both Kemmler and the Black Pyramid (not to mention keeping it) would be kind of a nightmare for Cylostra.
It's also incredibly cheap for that strength I think legend missed that bit
as someone who played a entire vampire-coast campaign as Noctilus like a week-ago,
i confederated every other vampire-coasts leaders, and the best one with Noctilus was Cylostra
all i had to do was give her a doomstack of Syreens, a Mourngul-Haunter, a lore of vampire caster, and 2 Rotting-Leviathans
and then just i just sent her on dark-elf incest-fetishist and his friends
Syreens are fucking great, their upkeep is pretty-low compared to other higher-tier units,
and not only they're great at fucking shit-up while not taking a beat-down, they're fast as fuck boiz
Yeah usually he talks about cost. 2800 for this is pretty good
@@Rise65487 you can confederate other vampire coast leaders? Currently playing as harkon and haven't had the option with noctilus
@@Radical_Left i also play with a shitload of mods, so maybe one of them could be responsable for it
@@Radical_Left maybe mod, for it, maybe mod for recruit defeated lords. But AI can do it too.
Seems like the point of having so many heroes is to kill magic users to protect the syreens? Like, I get the point of not RELYING on magic to win the battle, but if they sent a stack in with that many heroes and wizards, it probably is to compliment the doomstack....so use them. If you were using the heros up front and engaging their wizards, a lot of their magic attention would have shifted to the heroes, saving the syreens. Notice how those 2 wizards were getting a good amount of fireballs just at them?
True but if he would use the heroes to their full extent he would just wind of death 80% of the army, and the casters don't counter the other wizards but the enemy infantry. But indeed they do draw attention of magic and the others (the Ethereal Knight and the Mourngul Haunter) can and probably should be used to hunt down the enemy wizards and kill them. So yeah you should use them and if you use them you will save the Syreens of quite some magic attacks.
But I agree with Legend that it is better to remove 2 of the wizards and put some other units in. (You can get some other heroes but they are hard to get as the Vampire Coast of just 2 more Syreens, or maybe even something else as Necrofex Collosus as they can shoot the wizards when they approach. They might be a bit awkward once battle commences, but with so much melee infantry you will try to engage just as much other units as you can. (Maybe in a line to use Wind of Death or....) So I guess the Necrofex Collossus would be quite save.
I think that wind of death would have been fine actually, just because we already saw what this stack can do and that wind of death would've sped everything up a little
Plus it would have been glorious
6:50
Fire wizard: "Now we cast a spell on our own units and use a warp bomb!"
General: "By Sigmar, NO!"
god damn imagine the wind of death during this makes me kinda blue balled...
I really like this army actually. You send all Syreens into melee, use magic to back them up and use the Mourngul Haunter to assassinate wizards and heros.
It is cheap, fast to build, lorefriendly for Cylostra, Can be complemented with vampire magic (heal + melee atack + speed), My thoughts: 9/10 as doomstack, 10/10 as early doomstack.
8/10 as doomstack. it’s weakness to magic destroys it
I agree for an early doomstack, but for general use, I couldn't give it above a 5. The army imposes being terrified of magical damage of any kind, and doesn't really have a way around it if it comes up.
If you roll up on, I dunno, a Slann and a unit of Sacred Kroxigors, there's just nothing the stack can do, and a stack that has to be THAT careful about matchups can't be higher than a 5. The entire point of a doomstack is to turn off your brain and push the move button.
Secondarily, and more out of curiosity, is this army screwed by autoresolve? I could see autoresolve doing something silly and having this army take huge losses from dreadspear spam.
Yeah I think 8/10 late game. 10/10 early to mid game.
I tried this some time ago, it´s hard against the pointy ears if they bring some big guns. I won by baiting ammunition off the sisters and kited the dragons for a while, close call though as I don´t have the patience for prolonged matches like Legend does. If it takes more than 20 minutes I get bored.
@@ThomasL12. Against magic heavy armies you have the heroes. Magic is really bad against single entities and you can waste the magic ammo with the knight really easily.
Cylostra+vampire+knight is pretty hard for the AI to deal with even without using the syreens, but you can use them to flank and harass any missile.
Translucent chicks stack.
That may be the best fireball I’ve ever seen...
And all I can say to Winds of Death is:
Do it.
Loving all the doomstack videos please keep it up dude!
Early-mid stacks makes a comeback! Keep them coming :)
It is genuinely painful seeing that huge mass of units NOT getting a spell cast right in the middle of it.
I didn’t know not using wind of death could hurt so much 😢
Am I the only person who finds the little clicks Legend sometimes does at the start of the video really satisfying? Might just be my degenerate self though.
That's just called ASMR ;)
This battle shows just how badly the AI needs an overhaul for warhammer 3.
Seeing the Syreens just grind through that army was terrifying.
This video actually inspired me to do a full Vortex campaign (on VH difficulty) with a similar Syreen Stack - just to try out if it works. So I'll go in depth with what I learned, but the short of it is: it's quite fun, viable and even works into the late campaign. That said, I tweaked the army a little bit.
So, here's the long version of what I used and what I learned:
For most of the campaign, I used Cylostra on her crabby crab, 2 Vampire Fleet Captains (Lore of Vampires) on their small crabs, 2 units of Handgunners (later replaced by 2 units of Deck Gunners), a Mournghoul Haunter, the ghostly Paladin, and 13 Syreens.
The Vampires are decent fighters on their crabs and they are important as healers to prolong the grindy fight that you want. Cylostra on her mount can also endure some punishment, but more importantly, she's got her aoe debuff and the summons to clear out backlines. Syreens I think need no explanation.
As for the Handgunners, the Paladin and the Mournghoul...they are meant to be a goon squad against this army's weaknesses: heroes, lords and monsters with magic attacks (i.e. phoenixes and dragons). The gunners performed pretty great in that role, sniping out any flyers and/or big targets - especially once I upgraded to deck gunners/their RoR variant. The Haunter and Paladin kind of sucked, tbh, because they lose most fights against the really problematic foes like Tyrion. I think at least one of these four units could be replaced by a Gunnery Wight - frankly, I'd rather go for two Gunnery wights instead of the Haunter and Paladin.
For the actual campaign, I set my goal as conquering Ulthuan. To do this, I first migrated south, taking the Skeggi settlements, then moved to occupy Galleon's Graveyard. This is a great base of operations, since it's pretty much unassailable and no one outside of scripted armies will want to attack you. For good measure, I took Sartosa as well. At that point (around maybe turn 20) I could build the full doomstack. I razed Caledor and when Tyrion moved to resettle it, I jumped his weakened army, then immediately dove for Lothern. Using Lothern as a base of operations, I spent the rest of the campaign aggressively expanding across the inner donut of Ulthuan, eventually using a second and third army to secure the south and going for a two-pronged attack.
The Shanty battles are a joke since they can be dealt with by the garrison at Galleon's Graveyard.
Cylostra's army is, at least in practice, pretty invincible. With the VC tech tree ,and blue line skills from the lord and heroes, the army can replenish to nearly full health within a turn even after a pyrrhic victory. Even if you lose a syreen unit or two, they are quickly replaced. In battle, it really comes down to good threat management. Regular non-magical units are a total no-brainer - you just waltz over them with Syreens and there's nothing the enemy can do about that. The only real problems in my campaign were Tyrion, Alarielle, and a weird army with like 5 Loremasters of Hoeth + Eltharion. If left alone, these characters can easily win entire battles. Snipe them with everything you got. It will still be costly. The occasional Phoenix or Dragon was no biggie since they are so easy to snipe.
The big horror scenario for this doomstack would be a really lategame High Elf doomstack with many phoenixes and Tyrion wearing the sword of khaine. ...But you can kind of prevent that from ever becoming a reality if you push the HE territory aggressively. By keeping the AI on the backfoot and killing any and every army, you weaken them enough for other factions (primarily DE, in my case also TKs) to start invading Ulthuan and from there on out it's just a matter of time. The High Elfs were completely gone from Ulthuan around turn 110 in my game, so some time before their dreaded doomstacks start popping up. Around a quarter of the island had been invaded by the DEs, whom I could have fought next, another couple of settlements were in Settra's hands.
So...conclusion? This is by no means an invincible army - even with my tweaks to work around its inherent weakness to magic wielders. That said, even against a less than ideal opponent like the High Elfs, it can easily work if you play your cards right.
I can think of a few scenarios where this would be a really bad army, but they are all either avoidable or unrealistic. A lategame Wurrzzag army where every unit has magic attack would screw you over big time, a Phoenix/Dragon/Loremaster spam could do it. High level Wood Elf armies are also bad news. But let's be real - the only one out of these that Cylostra realistically could run into is the High Elfs and as I explained, you can just prevent that from happening.
There is a nice landmark for cairn wraiths of Vampire Counts in a Bad Lands. I think you can increase magical resistance up to 75% with this building and the lord's skills for this unit
And with Black pyramid of Nagash, of course
only up to 65% if you also defeat kemmler. 30% skill tree(15% basic+15% mastery 7) + 15% with landmark mastery 7. The landmark is in Ekrund to be precise.
Something to take into account too Legend is that 19 necrofex colossus will cost you about 9k in income and 19 sireens will cost 2185 in income (before any upkeep cost reduction, and without heroes). It's certainly far cheaper than trying to acquire a necrofex doomstack midgame.
although it's technically true, vampire coast have amazingly easy and powerful upkeep reduction even on legendary. On his recent noctilus campaign legend got necrofexes down to 67 upkeep each, by turn 35, impressive for such a good and versatile unit.
As soon as that fireball hits instantly reverts to skaven
From far away they look like dolphins. A lot of angry dolphins.
Ah the empire blob at 3:50 is so perfect for a wind of death. It's like they were asking for it.
I know it wasn't the point but the whole time I really wanted to see you Wind of Death that big blob that formed. Oh my God it's such a juicy target, how did you resist.
I really like seeing this mid game/strange doom stacks
There's a 15% physical resistance ship building lord you can get with Vampire Coast to do this with any faction (Or at least, Dreadfleet)
Seeing the enemy trapped by a line of ghosts was awesome. I've always struggled to use the syreens cylostra starts off with to great effect, but maybe one or two more is what's needed to create some horrific blobs.
Loved to see a doomstack that's easy to obtain, like the bladesingers and the syreens
The one thing that disturbs me is the inconsistency with magic across these ratings... Love those vids anyways.
Those were the most insane fireballs I'd ever seen.
they will scream the imps down mate. what a opera chorus Dame cylostiras brought to the party.
Hello there
General Kenobi!
Vulkan LIVES!
I can’t believe you resisted the call of the winds of death it was such a juicy blob of units
7:43 That's some nice Wind of Death line right there.
that was the best fireball ive ever seen I cackled so hard.
This is the first new doomstack I think I want to try and build.
Petition to make videos about the most probable midgame crapstack you're gonna churn out as each faction
Oooo I wouldn’t have been able to resist a wind of death when they were all blobbed up.
This was my favorite warhammer 2 stack. Sailing around the map with Cylostra and kicking ass. Cylostra can also summon the ethereal knights, and Vangheist's Revenge is almost as strong as Wind of death. But yes, you had to know which factions to avoid: with lots of magic. And that's when I ran into Wurrzag and my army got obliterated. Wait what, why is this happening...ooooooh, his entire army gets magical attacks because of a skill :D
Looks good to me. Still need to play a campaign for VCoast. Might try this
*the desire for winds of death intensifies*
Fun fact.
Luthor Harkon actually provides a ton of magic resistance. So if you do it well you can have a tremendous amount of ward save.
Good luck against skaven. Ofc depends on the army, but guns and poison globes gonna be nasty.
4:25 on of the best fireballs I've ever seen!
It’s also a very nice looking army, the bright blue units made the melee look a lot cooler
I'll be having wet dreams of the amount of damage winds of death would have done
Sitting here watching their entire army in a mosh pit not moving and not casting wind of death was so upsetting.
I would not go full Syreen, since them seems to lack a bit of "OOMPF" on the damage side. But nothing Direfin can't deal with once she has her wind spell.
They do lack in the speed category but it's inherent to vampire coast (unless you send the dogs).
Send against dwarves or add some "Mage killer" to the stack and it's great. Or a hero that wound/assassinate mages on campaign.
Since begginning I was thinking wind magic to directly middle of all those units :))
Syreens are my favorite front line unit for VC. They last a good while, easy to heal up, and they are very fast. Perfect for holding and even running down enemy units.
On one doomstack of Necrofex Colossi, you can afford between two to three full armies be they Syreens or regular Vampire Coast troops taking into account Cylostra's upkeep reduction on Syreens. The user who sent you this Rate my Doomstack battle did not field additional armies. Those Death and Deep Vampire Fleet Captains are unnecessary unless you want extra WoM, leadership and melee attack as those Lore of Vampire casters and Cylostra's magic are enough to support the Ethereal units. My score is eight-and-half/ten.
In physical pain not seeing windows a magic on the blobs
You can do this one with one of the "Legendary generic" lords, you buy for infamy. One gives 20% physical resistance for the whole army
I actually wanted to see a perfectly casted wind of death just annihilate those units, sooooo juicy!
Pretty sure you should’ve used that wind of death because the syreens are really good at creating large enemy infantry blobs
Holy Kroxigor! Wreck those sirenes in a minute!
man I wanted to see that wind of death too... I mean I get it but damn.
The heroes can tank magic damage. This army would only struggle against Flaming Sword of Rhuin - the spell he forgot the name of.
they can’t take all the magic attacks.
This looks like that scene from Return of the king
I feel like one of the points of this stack was to use the magic. One of the greatest strengths of nearly unkillable melee infantry is just pinning the enemy in massive blobs, like this fight had, then blowing them up with magic.
Exactly, just have to be real careful. In this army if you accidentally wiff your aim and slightly hit your own unit you might kill it entirely.
9:10 : What do we say to the wind of death?
NOT TODAY!!!
The Warhammer fantasy version of Howling banshee's lead by a Banshee Exarch
This is interesting as a concept, doomstacks are great but often pretty late game. Obviously ideally a doomstack that can handle literally anything is the best, but it's an interesting concept to rate midgame and earlygame "specific" doomstacks, i.e. armies that are functionally unbeatable for a specific purpose.
VC get a couple of those. A Handgunner mob + mortars stack plays a similar role against cavalry weak armies, and will melt anything.
Getting Pirates of the Carribean 4 Mermaids flashbacks here.
that lord looks like jim sterling
Oboi, with this kinda troop movement from the AI's side I wonder how Flaming Sword of Rhuin would've performed
A bit of criticism if I may: I think you should send melee heroes together with the pack. Because I am sure they provide some AOE buffs/debuffs and are an essential part of the doomstack
syreens are a pretty good in your bread-and-butter vampirates stack because they are ethereal units with a focus on melee defence as opposed to cairn wraiths who focus on attack. This makes syreens very good at holding the line which allows you to do either of two things: shoot the enemy to kingdom come or wind of death them. 90% syreens are some of the stickiest frontlines available.
Also, they are less than half the price of necrofexes. something I think was skipped a bit in the rating.
It's nice to mix it up a bit, have a few dif doomstacks with the same faction if you can. Makes it more interesting.
This is Total War: Bloated Corpse spam.
Question will there be another power comparison videos?
i just love how blue they are
Sisters of Avelorn Doomstack says hello...
Also I'd like to see how well that would do against the stunties. I know they don't use magic but they do have magic defence.
Can't believe Legend managed not to send a wind of death into that giant infantry blob. Must've taken quite the self control.
Edit: Lol he mentioned it himself xD
How do you get the extra 10% physical resistance for streets in this doom stack
i would have trouble not clicking wind of death on that blob, it would have been sooo gooood xD
so is lore of vampires still good then even with the nerf to nehek? I didn't realize that you couldn't heal units past what they entered the battle with and ended up wasting several casts before realizing it wasn't having any effect. Also, did wind of death also get nerfed? I was playing Vampire Counts and getting 0 kills when casting it on a fresh unit of saurus warriors despite most of them getting knocked down. But at other times it would do a ton of damage. I don't know if its bugged or if enemies have to be really densely packed for it to work properly.
Normal WoD is ok but not amazing, you need to overcast it to get hundreds of kills. I don't think Legend ever used non-overcasted WoD
Maybe those Saurus had some extra magic resistance
It's easy to make, should try it on my second run, she is a fun lady, I think, nice campaign spot. Syreens would help to slay all empire and norscas easily early game as they are quite cheap.
Definitely a stack you can get pretty early, and with magic will do great. Im guessing its much cheaper than necrofex too
This seems to be a really good early to mid game stack, also would pretty much instantly win any siege. Maybe even better than necrofex stack as they can go on the wall and demolish units coming up one by one
I have done some battle testing at 90% they don't even need regen or buffs to defeat any elite infantry that doesn't have magic damage.
Have you tried Krakens Pull with Cylostra on blobs? It does crazy damage. It doesn’t say it but it does damage
I recently did a Drowned campaign and had a Syreen based army. It was fun and really effective until Naggarond started spamming Doomfire Warlocks. Great for early/mid game though and pretty cheap with Cylostra.
the vampire magic tree has vambre something that gives +24 MELEE atack and %24 speed on area, which is awesome for this kind of army.
Danse Macabre or something like that.
RELEASE THE KARENS!
What is it with people not sending teir 7+ experience doomstacks in?
They miss out on the skill tree buff...
Exp are hard to get for players, to get to that point either you have buffs that get extra levels at the start or essentially get a sack-city.. and even then it takes LOADS. Considering this is a 61 turn full army, it's only natural that they are not fully developed.
Also, not all the stuff from the skill-tree is really that useful.
Probably to point out that a doomstack can be raised pretty early? I'd prefer to see silver chevron stack at turn 60 than golden ones at turn 75