That one time Nurgle is better than Khorne
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
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"Why won't you die?!"
"Nurgles gifts, son!"
I don't think the Ubersreik 5 could handle it if these guys invaded.
it is one hero here is like a boss in warcamp map right ? or it was a lord.
*Laughs in Ironbreaker*
Well, yes, but the U5 from the old Chaos Wastes could probably take on the entire chaos invasion with little to no effort.
That's why Lohner was so hellbent on shutting that skittergate down
I think they'd love it
I was honestly surprised by how much I enjoyed playing Festus. Compared to the other champions of Chaos, he’s probably my favorite, and even when I would play Belakor or Archaon, I’d recruit a ton of Nurgle-themed armies
Papa Nurgle smiles upon you
Thanks for Featuring my Doom stack legend I knew you would like it lol also I think there's only 2/3 festering shroud items most of the missile resistance comes from the Gifts of Chaos + the scaled skin traits if anyone wants to know anything about the doomstack feel free to ask
@@danielsepulveda6601 Nope I'm just some sad mfer that also plays fire emblem
We both built the same stack lol. You sent yours in, I never would have.
Also put the -armor trait on all, never took the healing one. Didn't feel I needed the healing
@@danielsepulveda6601 why would you even care? is your life so insignificant and boring that you need to harras other people about theire profil pic choises?
Did you reload if they get a bad Trait after dedicating to Nurgle?
Couldn't you just have 19x Locust of Fecundity heroes in the army and 15 with the armor lowered debuff just chilling in the region that you are fighting in?
I really like hero doomstacks because you basically rock up with 19 of your best mates and the enemy generals say: ''We've got 3 armies, there's only 20 of you, surrender now!''.
To which you respond: ''Call in couple more, that might make it an even fight!''
Aspiring Champions and single enttiies make festus very strong at the start since he can just sit in a forest and chill out. I defeated 4 armies on legendary-very hard because the healing was just too much!
Healing of festus and VC are bugged btw
@@alexismartin8473 oh hell to the yeah it is, I realized that when the giant I used to eat all the shots was able to heal to full 4 different occasions during one battle. After it I padded the numbers visually by kiting the last broken archer around until my chaos giant could go from 4k back to 12k hp or whatever it was. Think he mentions it in the video as well. Makes VC and Nurgle absurdly fun but incredibly broken
Exalted Heroes of Nurgle with the Toxic Trooper damage reflection passive are nuts. They absolutely slaughter. And they still take like no damage.
In regards to ranking doomstacks I personally think it would be pretty cool if you made a tierlist of all the ones you've reviewed so far - not necessarily S A B etc but relative to each other - and then added new ones to it at the end of each video, but it might not be the easiest thing to implement Idk
I dig it. Something like the Top Gear leaderboard. Granted, it would be a bit more subjective than a lap time, but it might add a bit of meta fun.
That's actually what I came here to suggest! :P
Great idea, especially a running Top Gear type one like Gobs suggested. Add the doomstack to the list at the end of each video.
This one is probably an SSS+, this isn't even an army anymore but a D&D party
I wonder if Festus has one man doomstack potential. You could easily get him to 90% resistance without SoK, his item gives and the plague alone give 30% physical resistance, plus you get near infinite regen and a mortis engine... Kill Gotrek for Unbreakable and you're basically immortal.
I've got multiple Heroic victories in my Festus campaign by having him solo entire armies.
Yeah he can be, i currently play his campaign. Mortis engine or aoe heal from level 1. He is probably the strongest lord i have ever used in wh2/3 early game. And late game he gets so many resistances he can solo entire armies just by smelling bad haha
He can but he has a tough time fighting heroes solo. So I usually pair him with one fighter or something
His issue is low armour and most likely armies with lot of magic damage. Physical resistance isn't as good as it was in WH2. Now you need ward save to protect you from magic attacks.
I believe Legend has already tested and rated a Festus 1man doomstack - ends up being probably the best in the game
The best part about these nigh-unkillable doom stacks is being able to sit back and just watch the battle.
PS: I'd be very interested to see fights between doom stacks. Like doing a vs battle between two doom stacks to see which one is stronger/which doom stack counters another.
If the healing cap is actually bugged to 5000% I don't think you can beat this (if you have winds). If it's fixed this would still be a strong contender though, +50% cap is still really good and their MA/MD numbers are fantastic. Weaknesses are no flying, no perfect vigor and lacking magic attack on most of the heroes.
I want so bad for there to be a way to fight the doomstacks. Some consideration would be needed on rules though, such as items. If items are unlimited then you can't compete with hero stacks at all.
@@aimlessgun you can if they're too lazy to use the abilities by just outdpsing the healing, but the moment they click that ability or spell it's an easy 100+ healing per second for the entire army
Imo using Festus doesn't really make it a good test.
Don't get me wrong, this is an amazing army (I did it with Azazel and got them all the regen path to glory, it kicks ass) but using Festus right now basically makes it like playing with a no regen cap mod because it's bugged, using a generic lord (Or literally anyone without bugged healing cap) would be a better way to test it.
It's the same, it can withstand several armies at once without hitting natural regen cap. You don't even need path of glory, with just having 3 or 4 with the healing ability is more than enough.
@@Dianbler But the thing is, you don't get a feel for how good the army actually is by using Festus as lord due to then having functionally infinite health. An empire captain army would also be invincible if it had 51 health bars like these guys.
Using a lord other than Festus would allow to gauge their strength more accurately since they wouldn't be boosted by a bug.
I think having them on horse is best option. It eliminates their main weakness that is speed as well as makes it easier for them to not get knock around by bigger enemies. They are also tanky enough and small enough that it's not that much of issue to be large target.
I think only one person could potentially in theory be troublesome for this army - Kholek Suneater with multiple vassals. He can go over 300 armour, that negates decrease armour from heroes, he cam hit over 2k damage per landing.
But we all know that AI never build armies that can handle player crapstacks, not even consider doomstacks
Kholek would solo this since he can delete each one in one hit when he hits like 150 vassals. Skarbrand + bloodthrone bloodreaper should also counter this with fire damage and higher dps.
This one definitely earns a 10/10, an 11/10 perhaps even because it can stop all doomstacks except for pompous spam.
You can give em Irrudicible trait pretty easilty to everyone (+5%Hp, Regen). It would be better and you can split the unique ability traits.
This kind of stack goes past 10/10 This requires Spinal Tap's turn it up to 11!
Khorne and Nurgle, my 2 favorite Chaos gods since the 80's. Khorne might kill everything in a bloody mess but it's Grandfather Nurgle who will rot the soul.
Legend, I really like this doomstack but It's still really showing off how strong Festus' healing is. If you wanted to do a better comparison between the Khorne/nurgle heroes the better way would be to not use either of Festus' AOE abilities, just use the aura of fecundities from the units themselves, and show how much difference there is between the khorne and nurgle heroes themselves.
Incidentally I think the best stack would be an undivided stack with probably 5-10 nurgles and 9 khornes Have 4 locus of fecundities, 6 -10 armors, and have the khornes rip through everything with nurgle support.
That is an excellent point. This was not a good comparisson at all.
This had a doomrider/apocalyptic vibe : " behold he ride a white horse and death followed with him." Grand-Father would be proud of this walking plague.
god imagine the smell I'd assume in the fully realistic battle alot of those elves would be puking as well.
Festus and friends go for a leisurely walk through athel loren
Hovering over the health bar in the unit card to the left will show how much healing they have left!
What in the reverse little big horn… that’s pretty nuts
I think this may be the most powerful doomstack ever, especially if you get perfect items on all the heroes
I had a video idea of people submitting silly things like turning the really awful Cathay general into a one man doomstack with the trait editor.
This are basically 19 Tree Sentinels from Elden Ring
Keep doing these doomstack videos I love them! Also make more dwarf ones pls.
Currently playing a woc play through and you can build almost undefeatable army’s with 3-5 of the nurgle heros with a caster and lord. Most times my army sits in the corner and the hero squad plus a caster stomps on everything. Currently have 7 armies build like this. So strong. Kholek plus a caster and 4 nurgle healers stomped out 3 full stacks of cathay without a problem even though they have so much fire power in missles.
I wonder how many doomstacks are going to lose feasibility once the healing cap is fixed.
This is definitely still viable without healing cap increase, i have a Nurgle hero stack running around with Azazel in my Be'Lakor campaign.
It wouldn't be "literally invincible" level of strong without bugged healing cap though
@@JustSome462 exactly, they also hit REALLY hard
@@JustSome462 Oh I absolutely agree this one would still be extremely strong. Hero stacks often are. Many of the healing focused ones still would be fantastic, but like you state it's capacity for invincibility removed.
Yeah, the lord doesn't matter. I had one in my Archaon campaign with a Daemon Prince of Nurgle and it was invincible. You don't even need healing magic with them, an Undivided Prince with fire magic is probably better.
@@JustSome462 You dont even need a Stack, i have a Nurlge Sorcerer Lord on a Horse + 3 Heroes of Nurgle soloing Dwarf Army after Army with Lightning Strike without taking any Damage.
It´s just 4 Horsemen, a Doom Squad
Hey Legend, great vid! I’ve actually been working on this doomstack since your Khorne video suggested it… it is INSANE. (The submission wasn’t mine). Some things I’ve found:
1. 19 of them is honestly overkill. 9-10 of them are MORE than enough, especially if you start using some of the abilities like chaos commander and all of their various personal weapon buffs. All buffed up, 10 Nurgle champions melted a full drycha crisis doomstack in about 45 seconds. Their damage output is INSANE.
2. I don’t know why, they feel bugged or something, but the Nurgle heroes just do way more damage than the Khorne ones. If you stuck a few khornies in here and compared end game damage the Nurgle fellas pretty consistently do 2x the damage of the Khorne.
3. You really don’t need Festus at all for this doomstack. Mine has an undivided daemon prince just because the stack was already so strong I decided not to bother dedicating him to a god, he doesn’t really do anything except smash towers and cast burning head occasionally
So yeah. I’d actually say you could have withheld points from this particular stack because it’s overkill. Festus can be more effectively used with basically any other army that actually needs him. And you don’t need to use basically every available hero slot for this doomstack to be VERY good.
tried it already, though you take more damage, chariot def works even against woodelves, you can push through frontline infantry easily and the heals are so good, you can out heal a few units of non-amor-piercing archers with no sweat
Honestly the most fun video lately, was the one where you had to betray your ally and you ran around blasting them in manual artillery mode. haha
Atop a mountain of corpses.
In the last doom stack tests, you just tested the army without the General or any abilities.
What i would like to see is how much damage 19 luminarks would do focus firing against 1 of these boys.
You need to make your grading system like decibles or earthquakes...logarithmic so that 1 point is not simply 1 point higher but a whole magnitute stronger.
This is one of the best Chaos doomstacks, but it takes a long time to get. It is better with Archaon since he gives +4 hero capacity for Exalted heroes, otherwise, you need to conquer the entire chaos wastes.
I like the shorter video times. Times been short on my hands after lockdown so it’s hard to watch 30-40 minute vids.
Just because I’ve propably not listened, when it was said, in some video or stream… Does missile-resistance also reduce artillery damage? I know you can’t block it with shields… that would be silly.
Even more silly than equipping rats with miniguns…
yeah thats pretty insane
This is a "We'll fight in the shade" battle
In my campaign, if I hover over the health bar I'm shown the remaining healing capacity for some reason.
You could do a tier list for all of the 10/10 doom stacks :D
The Ghosts zombie stack can tank like this but you have to watch your necromancers as the AI will snipe them.
Those exalted champions get damage reflection and can get regen as a trait. I've played three festus campaigns in IE so far and I have *never* had an exalted champion die in battle. They're so tanky it's ridiculous. Only downside to this is that you need 19 dark fortresses. You can slot in giants as a stopgap until you get the full stack if you want.
This is a new tier of doomstack, afk cinematic tier
i enjoy the doom stack vids regardless of the rating the stack gets
Is there any way to actually pit some of these 10/10 doomstacks against each other? Like in a co-op campaign?
I really think these guys are best on chariots, Ive had two of them on their own take out an entire endgame crisis wood elf stack
That was quite enjoyable!
finally a lore-friendly nurgle army
20 exalted bloodthisters
Out of curiosity, is there a hardcap to your minimum hit chance with any given unit in the game? Even if you debuff enemies to like 0 MA and your MD is 100+?
Chaos warrior patrol on cataclysm difficulty
Doomstack of Apocalypse
That would be cool to see Exalted hero vs Exalted hero doomstacks. I don't think there is a way to even do that though. The most you could do would be a tier comparison.
Maybe with a battle editor?
Console commands can do it, and honestly that's probably where most of these doomstacks he reviews are made. You just build the campaign and army using console commands. Then remove the mod, save it, and send to legend for review.
Honestly nurgle should have fewer entities in their mortal units. Healing is only useful on the living and even with the hp boost they just feel like slower marauders. And CA should make the technologies and chaos gifts give buffs for both mortal and daemon units. I understand that warriors of chaos should lean more towards a mortal lineup, but they should balance this by making high tier Daemons more expensive while still being close to their Daemon faction versions. An idea would be a small decrease in maximum winds of magic depending on the tier of the Daemon unit. Kinda like that magic is being used as an anchor for the Daemonic entities in the army.
Anyone can quote me on this if they agree.
Just like Nurgle on tabletop. Impossible to kill.
Last week I killed 1500 empire units (greatswords, spears, halbediers, reiksguard...) and 2 hero's and a lord without the healing of festus in the middle of a large settlement (mine was on chariot), rediculous strong, didn't even need festus to heal him... and thats just 1 :o
This army could creditably take on 4 10/10 doom-stacks at the same time i think. Does that place it in a tier of its own?
This army could even take out Kairos optimal doomstack it is that insane
They are a blight... a Beetle to your Dutch Elm.. "Are you a God?" No Im a Nurgel Boi ;3
Only thing I can think of that would wreck this army would be the Ogre Ironblaster Boomaker army. even at 90% save Festus would go down in one volley. Might still be an absolute scrap to clean up though lol I'd love to see those two armies fight
The healing bug will get fixed eventually
Eventually might take CA a year or two.
And Nurgle exalted heroes will still be op after the fix, specially with festus to raise the healing cap.
But it's only in campaign so it's not an issue. AI can't use build this and it's up-to player if they want to cheese or not and to a what point.
8 units of warplock jezzails + 4 full stacks of skaven slaves + 11 units of ratling guns with the jezzails + ikit claw could probably kill it
if the jezzails instantly kill festus that is
A few of these babies in your slannesh army does wonders for hellscourges. Now i think about it i might try and make a slaaneshy version of this to try and work out if theres a movement speed cap.
I'd also love to know what the melee reflection damage amount was in this fight
Played quite alot of festus lately and everytime i make a meatshit blob, those times i do get hit by insane amonth of magic dmg, the army usually are able to recover fully, recruited 2 zombie units and used them as meatshield, got into battle against beltasar, dryad, tho dryad was annoying when she reset my cooldown, i was able to just bulldoze thro it
The fact they took away the ability to see max heal cap is hella dumb. Talk about feature regression.
We need more rating crapstack videos, although these doomstacks are excellent
Maybe Sisters' of Twilight with a lot of Dragon Breath are able to defeat that doomstack
I was wondering when this one would come out. Nurgle just seems better
Using Festus to heal and provide free unlimited balance of power is breaking your rules of "not using lords or heroes spells or abilities because they are not part of the test" there is essentially no difference btw with his super OP healing skill, the balance of power increase is insane and you are not being consistent. I assume the score would still be better than the Khorne hero stacks atleast against non single entities spams enemies thou.
Edit: Personally I do not mind that much which method you use but I think that pointing out arbitatry different methods used and lack of consistency, specially with the game being buggy as frick with the "healing cap" skills being way better that they are supposed to be for example. Don't take this comment as hostile I still love the video. We might need someone to test animations on mounts on WH3 I assume still the Juggernaut animations might be better than regular Chaos Horse or horses in general but one thing that has supposedly been changing if ever slighty is animation on certain units and mounts.
Just an idea. Would it be interesting to fight doom stacks against each other. That’s 1 way of eating them
Festus and aspiring champions or giants are awesome, you need just a few (for early game).
Hey i just got a tought, would it be possible to have two players create already known Doomstacks in a Coop Campaign and then have them face each other. That way we can truly see which one is the most glorius, magnificent and cheesiest of them all !!
Not in a co-op campaign (campaign type) (you can't fight each other). BUT, you could do a FFA campaign in which the players co-op in-game and then "betray" each other late in the campaign. Assuming your save file doesn't get corrupted in the meantime . . . :( (We're 0 for 4 in finished co-op campaigns because the save files keep getting corrupted :( )
I always pronounced Festus' faction as Fe-cun-dites
Should it be that way or how Legend pronounces it here, as Fe-cun-dee-tees?
Fekkun-daits is correct yes. :P
@@CottonPanzer I'm not a native English speaker, so I get confused at times. Thanks for the info!
@@ZoMbi5lAy3r to be fair to legend the word isn't exactly common in English. I think either pronunciation is fine but I also pronounce it as Fe-cun-dites
I love the logic of CA
"since healing cap is bugged, instead of fix it lets just make it so that they can't see it, that way they can't see it's bugged"
Does this army stack up to the Hochland long-rifle doomstack?
Hey legend, i want to start of by saying i realy enjoyed your rating your doomstack videos when you first did them for warhammer 2. Since i feel like "back then" you had to put some effort into making one and not as many things were a doomstack. Because of that the rating system made sense just to get a good mesurement of how good they are. However i feel like in warhammer 3 the rating system dosent realy make that much sense and i would realy like it if you could either add some more critiria to the list like for example how easy it is to get the doomstack (for example a hero doomstack like this would rate badly on said point since you need a lot of provinces to make it), how costly they are , or something like that. My other improvent idea was that you could stop rating them and maybe revamp the series into something like "Doomstack or Poopstack" were you simply give a verdict on if the shown army counts as a doomstack.
Anyways that all i wanted to say still enjoy your stream mate!
Am I missing something? If this is an invincible doomstack due to a bug, what will it be like when the bug gets fixed?
This or the WH2 Pompous lizardmen hero doom stack?
14:24 nice pile of bodies
Since a daemon prince can also provide extra healing cap, could you use this with Ku'gath, since resources are easier to come by than dark fortresses for expanding the hero cap?
Love this!
I beleive CA will nerf the heal per second that festus gives. It seems a bit too strong and fun for their tastes
hey Legend.
I hope you still remember you're raiting a beta.
every broken thing is going to be a 11/10 until they fix it, or stay that way if they abandon it
It's a 💩 out of ten. (Make big daddy Nurgle proud)
Content idea: doomstack vs doomstack
Vielich Vs. This doomstack ? Maybe an idea for a new series if this is possible?
Nearly impossible to accomplish unless you're doing a co-op campaign so doing so would take easily over 20 hours before you can even pit the two armies against one another.
@@TheGodzebra doesnt he stream a campaign for like 7 hours a day, so two and a half streams then turn the fight into a video?
@@RunThermal Seems like a lot of buildup for very little payoff though.
@@RunThermal yea, but he doesn't do coop anymore and he really got tired of livestreaming wh3 for now. Plus: he is worn out by the livestreams in general that's why he is gonna stop doing them entirely by 2023.
And yea, like Tanner R said, that would be a lot of buildup for a short answer.
Wait is the correct pronunciation Feh-kun-di-tease?!?! I've been saying "Feh-kund-aightz" the whole time!
Who would win, this doomstack or Vilitch the one man army? Place your bets!
Hold alt while targeting spells to free cast without snapping
what if this doomstack goes against the iron blaster doomstack with the hunters???????
Should have had a Fire sorcerer, with no armor he would obliterate enemy infantry
Amazing what you can pull off with 20 smelly bois
10:05 what even happened lmao
Man, make a new rating system, like having a score for power, one for easy of make, one for easy of use or something like it
Healing cap still being broken is very silly.
spirit leech on festus :P
or wound the heroes one by one haha
If doomstack only starts at 7/10, why not to just reduce score to 1-4 / 4?
Do you think the skaven assassin doom stack would be able to deal enough damage to kill this?