2023 Toyota GR Supra 3.0 Premium (Manual) - POV First Impressions
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- Toyota has listened! We've all been asking for a 6 cylinder MKV Supra with a 6 speed manual, and here it is. But is this ZF transmission any good?
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Great review! Love seeing the POV 😎
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Most people that complained haven’t even driven one to really appreciate the Supra
From a track perspective these cars really move out, we have some in one of our endurance series and it’s supra impressive with minimal work.
“supra” impressive? 😮
Glad they made it in a manual transmission even though I can't afford one
i don't know why the fake vents are such a big deal on the supra. yes, they are there but on which car are they not? Maybe Porsche. I prefer the fake vents on the door and bonnet instead of fake exhaust pipes or giant plastic grilles, like at the rear of the new RS3. Also nice car. I ordered a manual Supra in white myself.
Subscribed! Love the new format. Just a couple of issues from making it perfect. You can try to position your seat so that it's much more leaned back than normal. Right now, the POV feels like it's above your head and the camera is framing a lot of the headliner. If the POV is lower and further back it would feel a lot more like what the driver would see. Also, having the right audio setup makes a huge difference to POV vids. I feel like you are just using one lav mic for your voice. Those are great for capturing voice and diminishing the ambient sound. I think you'll need a second audio capture just for the ambient sound, I can barely hear the engine over your voice right now. Looking forward to seeing some sick canyon drive POVs, you were always one of the better drivers out there with a great lineup of cars. Best of luck man!
Thanks for the feedback. Already working on lowering the camera position and improving audio for the next POV.
@@Zygrene Agreed with Thomas. And we want to see you push it. Also we want to hear the car!
I do like the POV because it allows me to practice my driving vision by looking way ahead down the road.
Best 6speed sports car on the market right now outside of Porsche's in my opinion
POV master race 🙌🏻
Enjoyed the pov review! But the camera might be too high. Feels claustrophobic seeing so much headliner though
Just wanted to point out, it actually IS claustrophobic inside.
Feels like you are driving a tank in real life, least favorite part of the car.
Man, in your last video I asked for your take on the manual Supra (and commentary vs the s2000). Didn't imagine a few days later you would bring the goods. Love the PoV style, esp the on ramps and right hand turns.
I was settling between the GR86 and GR Corolla, now you are making me lust after this bad boy. How is the steering vs those two.
GR86 steering is the best of the 3. GR Corolla maybe 2nd? Would need to drive them back to back.
I had the same debate, and ended up picking up a GR86 a few weeks ago. Renting a GR86 was what sold it for me. Coming from a 07 WRX hatch and having driven a regular Corolla hatch, the lower lighter feel, and more direct steering/ great overall handling won me over. I have some minor complaints with respect to pedal placement for heel toe, and clutch feel but it's gotten better as I've gotten used to the car. Also if I'm being honest, I got a little tired of waiting for my GR Corolla allocation with essentially no timeline on when I'd have one.
I've also rented an automatic Supra, and to me it felt too .... cockpit-y. Some folks like that, but personally it wasn't for me. Also it somehow felt larger vs the GR86 than the actual difference in size. With that said, it's definitely faster with higher limits stock for stock, and makes much nicer noises. But I was going for light, nimble drivers car vs outright straight line speed, so it was the GR86 for me. Maybe a manual Supra would have won me over, who knows.
really loving this content from the channel, you're reviewing all the cars that i'm interested in and your descriptions of the experiences are so crisp. keep it up man hope to see the channel really grow
I usually avoid watching videos with POV format, but watched it to support the channel. I think the mix-formats between videos is a great idea to get a better balance in production work load. Some of the changes highlighted below will help with POV quality. A Supra vs 718 and also with the Supra 2.0 vs S2000 comparison would be great. Looking forward to seeing this channel grow!
Love your review style man. You're very perceptive/insightful. After owning the A91-MT for about a month now, I agree with pretty much everything you said.
First take with first person pov is a good format, it'll be like your own version of smoketire one takes
informative, but easy to digest info. As someone who works in media, its nice to come to a barebones but informative and entertaining video
Cool to see you embrace the POV format for the first time. Great car to start it on. A lot less work I’m sure as the others said. Also, loving how your audio is dialed in!
I appreciate your 3 camera set up but hey I still watch the pov! Haha. Love the vids!
Loved the POV! I'd watch anything you post dude, it's great news if you're gonna use the cars for even more content.
2 things I'd improve :
1. The garage segment was pretty dark and claustrophobic. A more open and well-lit presentation would be more visually appealing.
2. I would have liked to see you drive it harder, honestly. I found myself a lot less entertained watching you than I am when you're pushing it in the canyons. Obviously everyone has their own tolerance for what they're willing to do on a busy road. But just using 1st gear more to GET to the speed limit would make it more interesting. Any kind of throttle/high rpm would be welcome as much as possible, even if you decide to be a perfect citizen about it. And a little wheel slip here and there if you're feeling like a rebel... especially on that U-turn haha! I kinda drive like a fool though so maybe that's just me.
Feedback well taken
It's here!! Edit: I like that your voice is constant, not having to adjust volume as I watch.
Topher and Tedward left an impression on you huh 🤣(fantastic video btw, much love!)
the vents are not fake, they are there to makeafter market mods easier . Now you just remove the plastic cover, cut underneath, put the cover back on, looks good, easy.
I knew the POV experiment would be great, love the kinda uncomfortable view as a result of the terrible visibility inside the Supra and the positioning of the camera. I think this give a touch of personality to this video compared, i.e. to those of the well known POVboiz. Great video.
I think most viewers watch your videos to hear what you have to say about the cars, while the footage just provides something to focus on while listening to you. aka use whichever camera format lets you pump out more content ;^)
POV driving videos are meh. I know TheTopher and Tedward do them because they’re easy to produce, but your three-camera setup offers a more visually stimulating viewing experience. As for the Supra, I just wish it was Toyota from the ground up. BMW “feel” isn’t my thing.
Makes sense. That's why I'll continue to use the 3 camera setup for in depth driving reviews, and use POV for casual first impressions videos
No chance if Toyota made a dedicated Supra model from the ground up that it would cost less than $80,000. Sports cars don't sell like SUVs. I grew up on Toyotas from the late 80s and 90s. If I was gonna pay $80,000+ for a 2 seater sports car I'd choose a Porsche instead and Toyota knows that which is why they wanted to keep their cost down to make this vehicle more accessible. Look at how much the GR Corolla is selling for.
@@Zygrene I'd urge you to listen to the Smoking Tire podcast episodes with Doug Demuro. Matt really fucked his channel by producing a variety of content. I wouldn't venture into the POV market unless the numbers are phenomenal.
POV video is very West Coast Tedward with familiar roads. 11/10 would recommend
Call me Zyward
I’d love to try a manual Supra! Looking forward to the comparison with a Cayman. I think for less money I’d prefer a used 981 S Cayman but for the power hungry the Supra seems to have unlimited potential with mods 💪
Ive seen several 981 Cayman S's going for as much, and some times more, than the MSRP on a manual Supra.. 981 Boxster S is more in the price range you're referring to.
@@dre32pitt No, the 981s cayman is what I’m liking. My buddy just picked one up for $38k. I’ve seen some nice ones that I’d like to own for $45. I don’t care for the boxster
@@alphonsemonthei8878 Gonna have to call cap on the $38k 981 Cayman S, unless it has a zillion of miles on it or other issues.. $45k seems more realistic for a 981 Cayman S with a million miles on it, but a 'low miles' version is $55k+ currently (Supra prices)..
You sure you're not thinking about the 987.2 Cayman S? That's inline more with the prices you're throwing out there.. I know because Ive been looking at 987.1, 987.2, and 981 Cayman S for the last year and currently own a 987.1 Cayman S.
@@dre32pitt Yes he bought a 981 S with 90k miles $38k. He even got one with the rare LSD too, plus sport Chrono (or whatever that package is called) and cooled seats. I’m a little jealous I’ll admit. We are located in the Southeast US if it matters.
@@alphonsemonthei8878 that's a good find if it's legit. Did he get a PPI at least?
Waiting for an allocation...hopefully soon!
The only car Ive ever driven where you cant drive with the windows down. Still think its overpriced. Happy it has a manual, but I cannot afford it
Yes, the wind buffeting was INSANE! Forgot to mention this in the video.
Good to point this out, it’s a terrible quality. A friend has a recent GT3 RS that also suffers from this. Combined with its carbon roof he says it’s always hotter and basically requires the AC to be on.
It's very easy to fix though.
Loved the video ans your commentary was very nice. For future videos, when you do the walk-around, can you do it outside so we can see the body linss/what you are referring to better?
Use the Idrive it works so well!
I eagerly await your manual supra vs s2000 comparison video.
Even though they are very different in many ways, they do both feel like they have roadster proportions. The interior of the Supra really has that roadster cockpit feel. It feels a bit more front-heavy than the S2000 though (doesn't turn in quite as sharply), because of the inline 6.
Great video great review, keep up the good work 🇺🇸
Thanks for the BMW comparisons with older ones Manual gear box and to S58 especially as not really heard that before.
Nice review 👌🏾 and yes the many fake vents cheapen the look/feel
Could not agree more on the fake vents SMH. Don’t the twins have functional vents?! Other than that, it is quite appealing!
great as usual - maybe just tilt down a little (although it's probably sitting on your nose already!) also I'm slightly bothered by what appears to be horizontally stretched video? Aside from those minor things great job.
Great feedback. I'll try Wide instead of SuperView next time, and will mount the camera lower.
you should do more of these kinda videos!
Fuck yeah bring on the POV drives!
This over a 718S? Pretty sure I’d take it over at least the base 718 …. And for $40k less than the 718 4.0 GTS? Food for thought…
Good collection !! (NSX wow!!)
Engine stop/start on a manual sports car?! That’s an immediate no-buy.
I liked this car. Comfortable but the trunk was small.
Can I buy one?
@@Zygrene Way bigger trunk than the S2000! lol
I enjoyed the different format of the video. Looking forward to the comparison! Would you buy AT or MT Supra?
Good review. If I didn’t already have a two-seater, and did not need a back seat, I’d probably swap my 6-speed M2C for a 6-speed Supra. When and where possible, a smaller chassis and lighter curb weight is always preferable! Good content, Fenton.
I was about to sign the paperwork on a 2021 M2 Comp, but backed out and found my 2023 Supra A91 6MT. Such a light and nimble car. I was really torn betwen both cars.
@@chrisginoc If you don't need a backseat, the Supra 6MT is a great move. Love my M2C, but I'd trade it for an A91 manual if I had another fun car with a backseat. My Evora 400 doesn't count as having a "real" backseat! I consider it effectively a 2-seater.
@@chrisginoc 3300 pounds actually isn't very light at all when you compare it to things like the S2000, BRZ/GR86, 240sx, FD RX7, etc. lol
It's only light when compared to other modern BMWs.
@@justsomerandomguyman I wasn't comparing it to an S2000, RX7, etc. I grew up building JDM cars in my garage and friend's garages in high school. I didn't want another project from the ground up kind of car or else I would have gotten a 90s JDM. I grew up intalling B16, H22, etc back in the late 90s early 2000s. Now being in my late 30s with a family and little kids, it's hard having project cars like that because of having no time. The Supra offers me the best of both worlds. It's definitely lighter than the 2023 M2.
Just wish there is more inventory for this car!!!!
Like the new format. The only thing is that I can barely hear the sound of the car. You might want to adjust your audio. Overall it would be good to hear the car a bit in between your commentary.
So, is it a big enough upgrade to justify the price delta with the twins?
Great feedback. Will play with the audio in the next one. I'm keeping my BRZ for it's tossability and practicality, but if someone offered me a manual Supra for BRZ+20k I'd do it in a heartbeat.
The engine is way better, but the BRZ/GR86 has a very good chassis and can be a really good track car when heavily modified. Unfortunately, it's really that boxer engine that is the letdown on it. A turbo K-swapped BRZ/GR86 would be excellent.
I’m getting too old or stuck in early 2000s prices. Low quality interior plastics for $60k? Hhhhhh
I do dig the Supra looks. Bummer on the fake cooling/pressure relief vents, I guess that’s a chance for aftermarket to step in.
Toyota makes a better BMW than BMW does
I'm a big fan of your POV perspective on this intro. It feels like being there. Although Bavaria and Aichi collaborated on suspension design, BMW gave the Supra much more than its interior and 6 speed manual, because it's literally a Z4 M40i beneath the Celica facelift. As is the Z4 sDrive and the Supra 2.0. I might be old school, but marketing them as a Toyota without acknowledging this feels a bit disingenuous to me. The name "AC" Cobra acknowledged that it was a collaboration between Texas race Company Shelby and the British race company Auto Carriers Ltd. Had Toyota done the same, I believe it would lend greater credibility as the GR Z4 Supra.
It'd sound dumb with that name. It'd be like calling the 86 GRBRZ86. The 2.0 mk5 was made for the same reasons things like the 2.0 mustang exists so it can sell in markets with stricter emissions and so they'd sell more in countries with displacement/hp taxes. The only reason the current Z4 even exists is because of toyo asking for the collab and its been all too prominent that BMW could care less about the Z4 unlike toyo with the mk5 that they haven't even updated the car since it came out nor planning on even giving it a M version.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 BMW sold less Z4s because 2 seater sports cars aren't what their buyers want. But they did buy 177,257 M sedans in 2022. Toyota sold a total of 4,952 Supras in 2022. That's not an impressive sales figure for their flagship halo sports car.
@@Datsun510zen that's because they don't make that many supra from the get go. It's not being made and shipped in numbers anywhere big as something like the Z or the civic or even bmws sedans for that matter to even be a comparison. It's being made in numbers similar to something like the RC or LC. They were never really looking to selling a ton of them every year since even the mk4 was sold in small numbers despite it not selling well. They wanted to at least sell at least 12k in the 1st 2-3 years and they completely smashed that since they've sold over 20k(US sales) of them since they came out. It's selling good especially since they don't really make many of them as is.
How does this feel compared to a ND2 Miata 6MT? which transmission/clutch feels better? Which would you say is more fun? Have an ND2 now, possibly considering trading for a manual Supra, but only if it’s more fun.
Shifter/clutch in the ND2 are fantastic but almost too light. The Supra's controls have more weight while still being very linear and predictable, which makes it feel more like a GT. Maybe I'm getting old, but I like anything that feels GT. Supra is less fun on tight canyon roads but more fun from stoplight to stoplight and higher speed roads.
@@Zygrene what about the gear ratios? The Miata has what I feel like are near perfect gear ratios for driver enjoyment… how does the Supra’s gear ratios compare?
@@Zygrene On the subject of Miata, you should do a comparison with the most obvious convertible competitor: Boxster (current gen, not a used one from 20 years ago). It is more expensive and more powerful, but if someone wants a sports convertible, does Miata hang with the big boy? Is the more expensive car more fun? We probably know the answers, but scientific method requires an empirical experiment.
Like the format a lot.
I've been agonising for ages over what car to get in this kinda price bracket.
I'd kinda dismissed the Supra because every review I saw rated it below the competition, due to that restrictive cabin and the slightly odd driving dynamics. But I do like the way it looks, the B58 is a bit of a peach...
This, Alpine A110, Cayman GTS 4.0... gah idk man
Get the 718 GTS 4.0 if you can afford it. Hands down, no contest, end of story.
@@Zygrene Even with the annoyingly long gearing? I assume you haven't had the chance to drive an A110 before either? Lotus but actually daily drivable is a hell of a selling point.
Got in my friend's S2 the other day and instantly knew the discomfort wasn't for me 😂
i'm surprised there isn't an aftermarket solution to replace all the faux-vents with functional units. My understanding was that was the thought process toyota had when they first launched the supra but doesn't sound like there is an obvious source yet?
I recall Toyota said that too, but Jackie Ding debunked it I think.
@@Zygrene most of them can be turned functional with a tiny bit of cutting, the doors cant but the rest can
In regards to the fake vents, it's probably there to help with gas efficiency. It would be nice if they offered a functional sport option that deletes the fakes for something more useable. But then again, we'd probably want something that tested how effective these vents are for brakes and aerodynamics as they appear to be designed for aesthetics firsthand.
One thing I don't understand: ok, let the vents not be useful at all (let's say, the placement is off, a real vent wouldn't make any difference there), but couldn't they put actual openings in them so they at least LOOK like real vents? People then could debate the merits of the vents, but at least they wouldn't be FAKE.
If you check out Jackie Ding's video about the vents, many of them (not all) actually can't really be made usable at all because of their placement, unfortunately. (If you are unaware, Jackie Ding is the owner/driver of what is probably the fastest Time Attack A90 Supra in the United States)
@@justsomerandomguyman Yeah, they don't HAVE to be USABLE, they just have to be real openings. It's like huge vents on crap like RS3 -- totally unnecessary, probably useless, but at least not fake.
How does its low end torque compare to let's say a v8 from a corvette/camaro?
B58's low end torque isn't as immediate, but it's closer than you'd probably think.
How does the manual Supra compare to the Cayman as far as a comfortable daily driver goes? Like maybe I want something that's a bit more GT and less sports car, so I'll trade the more purposeful performancr stuff for everyday comfort. Like is the ride more comfy or?
Needs a bigger steering wheel hub.
You should get this exact car 🙂
Do a real world fuel mileage test. Can you get over 30mpg on a 50-100mile highway loop?
Would love to know which you prefer compared to manual cayman? Also which has better transmission and shorter gearing?
Any chance of a Supra vs Nissan Z comparison?
Am i the only one thinks 6500rpm is disappointing
I think In this car is okay because its torque band is very wide
Is that the same or different than every other BMW with this motor?
I'm a little disappointed too. It's not an engine with much character, but damn does it haul ass.
7k is redline. 7500 or 8000 would have been nicer, but it has a lot of torque and very linear power delivery.
Pov Zygrene 🥇
POVgrene
😎 cool thanks
SS/1LE > Zupra! At least we know the 6th Gen Camaro has better visibility (compared to the Supra), V8 + 6spd Tremec 6060 married to that 1LE goodness. Oh…and the SS/1LE is way cheaper…
did they ever fix the wind buffeting? MInor issue but i absolutely love the rest of the car!
No fix from the factory yet, but there are many aftermarket fixes available. Carbon fiber or plastic that attaches to the mirror frame and redirects wind away from the door. Not 100% perfect, but cuts out like 80-90% of the wind noise. Way better overall. I have the Verus Engineering carbon fiber ones.
You've probably answered this before, but what's your setup for POV videos?
No way lol we are literally neighbors 😂
I think people have an issue with it being a BMW doesn't necessarily have to do with it being a BMW. I think its more like copying someone's work and then slapping your name on it and taking credit. So if the Supra is amazing really how much credit can you give toyota and how much to BMW, probably most of it top BMW.
This. And most people don't realize the styling compromises that were made from ft1 concept to production supra due to the z4 chassis
Fair point. I can see how it's almost about the principle and not the car itself.
@@coreyegan6751 they partly wanted it based off the 2000gt that partly explains why its small in some cases.
They didn't copy someone else's work though. They co-developed the Supra and Z4 with BMW since the very start. They didn't just take an already existing Z4 and slap a Supra name on it.
@@justsomerandomguyman if it was co-developed why are all of the parts stamped BMW? The only toyota part about the car is the emblem.
opened the door into your nsx... why??
TOYOTA ❤️👍
Nice content.. need to work on the lighting..
Can the engine turning itself off at a stop light be turned off?
That camera position makes me a bit claustrophobic
Compare vs F8* M2C!
How does this compared to a used Porsche 997?
Do the manual Supras still have engine start/stop?
I'm dumb, you mention the start/stop feature at 6:40. What's confusing though is Toyota's website says the manual models don't have "automatic engine start/stop." Hmmmm
bring the manual to the 2.0 pls
There’s likely only 2-3 more years of production for this car. I wouldn’t count on a manual 2.0.
If I’m 6ft talk I won’t fit?
How is the shifting is it short or long?
Longer than an S2000, but, IMO, better than any current BMW or Porsche. The way he describes how "easy" it is in the video is the perfect description. It feels good. It's tight, easy to shift. Fairly short throw and less rubbery than every other BMW and things like the Nissan 350Z/370Z/Z. However, it's not quite like the S2000 or other Hondas. It can likely hold much more power than your average Honda manual transmission though. So, you have to consider that too.
I like the design but I think the big nose at the front should get a rhinoplasty and look more like the old Supra.
i don't think it's a "pet peeve" so to speak. it's a legitimate complaint for a $100K+ to have fake vents. i expect fake vents on "toyota camry sport versions". not a genuine sports car.
It's $60k, not $100k.
@@justsomerandomguyman yes $60k USD. I'm Australian. They're $100k AUD here.
Feels like you are driving a Tank
Toyota is better then BMW
Imagine this in an AWD
Would be worse due to extra weight.
@@justsomerandomguyman not much
Supra or a g82 M4 manual ?
Haven't driven a G80/G82 but really want to.
My understanding is that the vents aren't fake but are rather blanked off. If you want to modify the car for track etc then you can very easily open the vents up.
This has been debunked
Lol that’s just what Toyota said when they were called out for a bunch of fake vents.
@@jubbalandcars Debunked how? Didn't those quotes come direct from the Supra's chief engineer? Did he just straight up lie?
I believe Jackie Ding debunked this on his TA Supra
@@Zygrene I just rewatched what he says about it. Some of them can be functional but a lot not from the sounds of it. So a bit of a fib. But toyota certainly isn't the only company doing fake vents so I won't hold it against them.
Pov soulds like a podcast..non visual needed. Because we cant feel g force with u or cant see your expressions to see enjoyment. Dead beat on pov. But great info.
Where handsome face
Hate pov
Forget this poser car. They should have built a Toyota!
A "posers car" that did the Nurburgring, DTM Trophy, Formula Drift, Super Taikyu, GT4, among others.
It's a better car in every single way than the original Supra. Way higher performance ceiling.
@@pmayo7894still not a Toyota