I love my RC F. It's not really the best at anything, but it's good enough at everything. I use mine for track, daily, road trips, it's really a car that grows on you as you live with it. I can't believe it's almost 10 years old... wild
I’d argue it’s the best in terms of reliability. Know one guy with a lot of miles on his and another with just shy of 200K miles on his IS-F. No real issues with either aside from a cracked windshield wiper fluid reservoir in the IS-F.
@@JGA347 lmao reliability isn't everything buddy, seems like toyota and lexus fanboys always using reliability to justify the lack of pretty much everything else and Toyota/lexus know that hance why they barely making any improvements
Best purchase I’ve ever made is my 15’ Carbon TVD. When I tell people my car is 9 years old the expressions they show is hilarious. Nothing cheap was used for these being built, only thing I’d upgrade to is an Anniversary for the color scheme or a Track edition for lighter performance. The car is discontinued after this year so we might get a new TTV8 the GT3 car is testing.
How has the TVD been treating you? Been In the market for a 15’-19’, but honestly have been steering away from the trims with tvd because of the horror stories of replacing it if it goes out.
@@bostin3535 no issues with mine. Im at 118k now with a lot of spirited driving. Its service interval is right around the corner and I plan on getting that done. Not really sure what would cause them to go bad honestly.
@@MidnightV6 torque vectoring differential. It’s a feature that comes with the higher end trims levels for this car. Really cool tech that allows torque to be applied to individual wheels, so improved handling in turns for example. One of the downsides is the potential of replacing this system if it goes which from what I heard is a pretty penny, I’m talking $15,000+
Light performance oriented mods really make these cars shine. I have a '16 GSF with aftermarket catback exhaust, polyurethane LCA bushings, full body bracing, and those mods alone improved the driving dynamic significantly. Going to add some coilovers soon to really get it to the next level.
I have test driven RCFs several times including the track editor in the Lexus performance school event. Drove it back to back in a auto cross with the LC500 and the IS500. Definitely, feels the most stiffest and most buttoned down of the three with the least amount of float. Very hunkered down and tall happy. The LC500 feels very big, clumsy and the 4400 lbs weight with the soft suspension. We also had a lot of overheating issues with the LC500. The IS500 rolls way too much and drags the front wheels. Way too much understeer to push into oversteer. RCF felt the most nimble, playful and wanted to rotate and kick the tail out at every turn. The chassis felt very stiff and buttoned down. Certainly, I would say it is the most track oriented of the 2UR cars.
I keep it on my garage since new on 2016. I love for daily use, and sometimes I use to drive on mountain roads where the car sounds like a beast, with the Invidia exhaust. Still head turning, because is the only one on my city, even being a 8 years old car
if any of you are worried about being out of warranty, I drive an ‘08 ISF with 101k miles and the car has never once had an issue. Keep up on the maintenance and these cars are mostly problem free, it’s a Toyota at the end of the day.
Being an RCF with CF/TVD package (option) and spent a hefty amount on it, it is a great double-duty car. Worth every penny. A big portion of RCF owners use it for track duty and is popular track car in Japan for touge and time attack. The car in the video might be a high mileage one costing only $40K and has a lot of wear and abuse possibly on bushings and suspension. I hate body roll in my high performance car and I am super happy with the RCF damping and body control. A new one should feel different. Mine is almost still brand new with just 10K miles and feels very firm and tight still. Does great on the race track and also a great street car. A lot of the weight is steering weighting as well since in SPORT+ the steering gets a lot heavier and direct. The suspension is actually stiff, if you put really aggressive tires since they are only 19 inches for a heavy car. The real damping characteristics get masked by being undertired as it comes from the factory. Also, driving dynamics wise, it does almost 1g sustained on the skidpad in tests. Stock for stock, for personal experience, factually it is much quicker on the race track than both the previous generation E92 M3 and ISF being one generation newer in terms of lap times. It was an F82 M4 rival in 2015 and put a very similar lap time with Randy Pobst driving it in 2015.
Agreed. Had both the ISF and the RCF. RCF chassis and suspension are way better dialed in compared to my ISF. Chassis feels way stiffer and buttoned down. Not sure how abused the RCF in the video is
@@2ZZGE100 owner here, this car shouldn't be too abused or anything, it was a 1 owner car before I bought it at around 43,000 miles. The og owner bought it in 2015 new and sold it back to the same dealership in 2023, seemed to be taken care of (interior fairly clean as well) and serviced at the dealership at every interval. Definitely need to change the tires though, but otherwise it's been a great daily driver.
@@sid1011 Thanks for chiming in. Yeah, definitely perplexing for sure, Mine has the CF/TVD and I track it once in a while and it is amazing on track, but the suspension is basically the same as yours except TVD comes with different rear springs. Like I mentioned, tires do make a huge difference on a car like RCF, which has 19 inch wheels (on the smaller side) and taller sidewalls. My OEM PSS was severely underwhelming (rolled way too much on the sidewalls) so I went with much more aggressive tires and it made a big difference. Once again, thanks for your input. Cheers!
@@roddyrich2335 recent example in June '24 of a 2017 27k mile RCF, it was on westcoast shipped it eastcoast 48k list price 55k out the door including shipping and tint, its a pretty penny and it felt decent enough price. the market on these is really small only about ~7k ever made it in USA for all the years. Worth every penny. Already put 8k miles on it, zero issues, hard driving. did 30k maintenance when I got the car ~$750 oil change since then ~$220 and it lives at the gas station. 15-25 mpg depending on driving.
That must have been an abused RCF as is the case of most of the $40k RCF, but being an ISF and RCF owner, RCF has way better driving dynamics with the low, wider and stiffer chassis. The added weight has a lot to do with the chassis rigidity.
Agreed. I drove the RCF with TVD and the LC500 and IS500 on the track back to back at the Lexus Performance School. RCF had the best body control of the three. Had the most playful character and wanted to power oversteer at every corner. Way too much fun if you push it to the limits. It also had the least amount of body roll
Idc, I love these cars and after owning BMWs I’m starting to think about going for one, even if it’s not the best performance car the looks are for me and the reliability and resale value is superb
@@SAYZLEE2024 BMW M4 has 473 hp, the 2015 RC F has 467 hp (471hp on the ‘20+.) Granted, the RC F is 300 pounds heavier. But, some of that weigh is: dry sump oil system, trans cooler, oil cooler, insanely stiff chassis, fully forged aluminum subframe, forged wheels, titanium valves…I mean the build quality is just INSANE on the RC F. PLUS…and this is a KEY point for me…(and before I say it let me acknowledge that compares a lightly modded car to a stock car opens the doors to the spiraling conversation of “ok then I’ll just do this mod then”)…BUT I think it’s somewhat “unfair” that the M4 is turbo and RC F is a N/A car WITH a VERY restrictive exhaust/emissions/quiet Lexus standard…what am I getting at? Let’s give the RC F just a bit more breathing. Let’s compare the RC F with intake long tubes, x-pipe, exhaust and a tune. THAT is a menacing daily/track car. “Well, I get tune the M4 then”…ok, that’s fair. But, NOW we get to the POINT… A Lexus F-car with headers and fbo with go for 200k+ miles, run like the day you bought it, and sell for great money. BMWs basically implode when the warranty is up and their resale is garbage if they have any miles at all.
Loved my ISF for the last 4 years, just went FBO last year. Just bought my dream spec LC 500; 2019 Inspiration Series. And an RCF track edition has to be next 🙂 I need all the factory carbon! You really can’t compare the way these cars feel in terms of build quality and the ownership experience on the used market.
i just recently traded my 2016 f83 m4 for a 2015 rcf. many would say why? i say its because of the intangibles. the rarity. the reliability. they resale. no its not the fastest but in a day when you can buy 700-1000 hp production cars and electric cars that can dust most ice cars, i say who cares. oh and by they way....everything weighs 2 tons these days.
Sometimes I have second thoughts about getting my F87 over this 😔 more smaller and lighter, more usable, more manual, but rcf has such better inputs and engine and even the interior in some aspects
Hi, big fan! Really curious on your opinion given you’ve driven both cars - how would you pick between a RCF and a S550 gt premium w/ performance pack? I’m a huge manual fan so I’m hesitant to give up that in the RCF but from what I’ve read the getrag leaves much to be desired in the mustang. How does chassis dynamic and especially steering compare between the two cars? I rented a SS 1LE for a week and fell in love with the steering, engine, and transmission. Biggest problem was the visibility. It felt a little claustrophobic on my commute and for around town driving. I would essentially love a SS 1LE in a more premium package, any opinions which you would go with for a daily driver? 85% boring stuff, 14% spirited driving, 1% track work.
GSF , 4 door, is only 70 lbs heavier, and always comes with special torque vector diff and extra cooling systems. Some can tell difference of its pure platform vs mixed of RC. That V8 in Sport mode is very entertaining, handling is great, ride in hwys made of concrete though are a bit too stiff/bouncy for 2016 fixed rate dampers. NO 4,000 + vehicle is as much fun in curves as 3,000 lb vehicles though.
About six months ago, I bought a 13 ISF in ultrasonic blue off my friend, he ended up getting a GT3 but needed a good daily car and missed the ISF so much he went out and bought a RCF, it looks like you’re somewhere at the Bay Area. I can’t tell if that’s Crow Canyon. I grew up in San Ramon, in fact the ISF I bought for my buddy he’s out of San Ramon. I live in Sacramento.
Bought my 17 as the proper GT warrior and it’s been great- not exceptional compared to some of its competitors in the performance segment, but damnit if the V8 isn’t beautiful and more importantly, reliable You put it well, for sub 50k, although out of warranty, there’s little to worry about (shy of the valley plate 😅). It’s nice that ISF guys and a few RCF guys have done the high mileage research and these powertrains can take track abuse upwards of 200k to 300k miles on the clock.
My problem with the RC and LC is that for the $, it can’t compete. The V8 sounds great, the transmission is quick enough. The chassis and weight just holds it down.
Good car but doesn't excel in any one area- its just ok in most areas. The chassis doesn't really inspire confidence and overall the power is weak, with little aftermarket support - does sound good though.
None of the things you said are true. It is not the best at anything and that is true, but does very well in many areas. At high altitude, my 60 - 130 mph is 11 seconds. That is very quick for this DA. I have ran many early F82 M4 with minor bolt-ons (myself being bolt-ons) on the race track and none of what it seems on paper, holds true on the track, if one can extract the best from a high-revving engine.
@@2ZZGE100 🤣 sounds good man. These things are heavy and were almost an afterthought by Lexus. Its a half an IS and half a convertible. Sorry you didn't like my comment bud, but I owned a 2017 and it was very underwhelming.
@@DreezyinaV I am not arguing . Just stating it is far from weak and underwhelming if one really extracts its potential with jekyll/hyde personality. It is actually an amazing performance machine. A lot of that is because of the chassis rigidity. I take mine to the track and push it to absolute limits and know how to it handles. I am only stating fact that it is incredibly fun and amazing at the limits. Almost 1.00 g on the skid pad on street tires. Even an M2 these days weighs nearly 3900 lbs. RCF chassis is what they use in modified form in the GT3 program. You are talking about the chassis, I actually own a 2019 IS350 F-Sport as well. It never makes me forget why Lexus chose to build a different chassis and not use the 3IS chassis and make RC/RCF out of it. It has a lot of shudder and floppy behavior while the RCF feels like a brick over the same bumps. RCF chassis compared g to my IS chassis is night and day. Way more stiffer.
car that offer more for sub $50k than the RCF, well..... GSF weight more but with better interior and using the same old Aisin 8spd with 5.0 motor lol. If you can do a GSF review that would be great tho. I do enjoy the Lexus level of over kill in term of brakes and motor design, unfortunately it also the weak point when offer as performance car when sold as new vehicle.
It depends if you limit it to 2+2 coupes or not. Obviously a c6/c7 will do similar straightlime but much better on the track than the Camaro for similar money.
@@MidnightV6 Legit question lol. TVD is torque vectoring differential (instead of LSD, look it up and see how it works). CF is carbon fiber and the Performance Package comes with a cf roof instead of steel with sunroof (which weighs more). Hope that helps.
This is the car you get when you don’t want a fuck boy V8 or non of the V6 TT cars appeal to you. These cars can definitely can hold their own after some mods, but you aren’t worried about being the fastest when buying one of these.
You keep mentioning it’s a 2 tonne, where did you get that info from? Nowhere in the advertising material does it say that.. rcf is 1740kg. The rc350 F sport is 1680kg for the rwd
I prefer the handling (slightly), engine sound, interior, and transmission of the LC. I would say it's better in every way but you do pay a hefty premium.
@@Zygrene Subjective aside, the LC500 is softer and has 400 lbs extra weight. Much bigger as well being on the LS chassis. On the race track, RCF officially is significantly faster than the LC500 objectively with Scott Pruett. There is even a video of an owner of LC500, RCF and GSF talking about each and their differences. RCF is the only he takes to the track because LC500 is a GT luxury car and the most special while GSF is inherently a big family sedan.
Jeremy Clarkson hated it...everybody should now do the same.....this is a better purchase than a ford mustang and i dont know what people mean by its ugly... The RCF is gonna be missed when its gone
Once I get my gx460 I'm considering getting a rcf or lc500 to replace my integra type s eventually. It definitely won't handle as well but I think one of those will be better for my commute that consists of mostly freeway and surface streets. I hate to think of getting rid of it eventually but I rarely utilize my type s for what it's meant for so I feel like dailying a V8 would be a better choice since I rarely have time to go up to the canyons. Thoughts?
Get a LC500 as soon as you can, they are “cheap” currently. Or at least the first few years. They will go up like crazy in the near future… although that is a personal theory though. Keep in mind the infotainment stuff cause it is a infamously annoying.
@@xRoofkoreanx I'd so get one if I could right now. My theory is that LC500 will be a future classic but probably not for another 10+ years like how every under appreciated car of its time was.
@@A_guan same, hoping to have one soon. I hope it’ll be that long till they get appreciated. Wishing people would stop making videos on how good they are lol.
@@xRoofkoreanx exactly! I'm hoping I can find a 2024 eventually. Specifically a white on red but no Alcantara seats for me. I have them on my type s and I prefer leather just because they're easier to maintain. It sucks that the LC500 forces you to get Alcantara seats when you opt for the dynamic handling package
I think for the money the 6th Gen SS 1LE is the better buy at least in terms of fun. Long term reliability aside…which the Lexus would probably be better…it’s a sharper car, has one of the best manual transmissions out there, and is still plenty comfortable to daily drive. The visibility is the only real glaring issue. RCF definitely wins in that department. I drove my buddy’s RCF briefly and while it is a really nice car, the transmission really spoiled the experience for me. The downshifts are inconsistent, often delayed, and not always smooth. For the price of the car, especially when it was new…it should have come with a better sorted transmission. It was fully warmed up as well. That and the fact you don’t feel really anything. 110 mph is boring….between the auto and the super insulated cabin, it feels like a video game. You don’t get much of a sense of speed and because the engine is so linear and not particularly torquey…you don’t get much of a shove. You look down and realize you’re hauling. If it had a manual transmission, I think it would be one of the best GT cars on the market though. It’s pretty fast, I think that engine is underrated because the RCF is faster than cars it shouldn’t be on paper… The interior is nice, brakes feel good, it does a lot of things well. It doesn’t do it for me, my ND2 is way more draining to daily drive but it’s also way more fun, especially on a backroad. The 19 SS 1LE I had before was nearly as good of an all rounder but was way more engaging to drive. That car hides its weight incredibly well. My friend loves his RCF though. If you’re not a complete drivers car nerd like me….its a really solid package overall.
I just tracked a fully prepped 2016 (stripped interior, down to 3500 lbs) last weekend and it was super impressive. Completely unfit for daily driving though.
It is a double duty car. I track it and also take my two kids in baby seats. It does everything very well. The only thing I swapped chassis and suspension wise, was much more aggressive tires (stock PSS tires were disappointing and too soft for the weight) and also LCA stiffer bushings that gives a bit more feedback from the front and makes tire wear more even.
On paper, RCF is much smaller, lighter, stiffer and also shorter (lower too). So, the dynamics favor the RCF, but in real life, the GSF gives you a lot more practicality with that 1 foot additional wheelbase.
@@2ZZGE100 I was just waiting for you to respond haha. I do agree honestly with what you are saying, as both a buddy & myself do autocross together. His RCF handles differently than my GSF. Cool to compare them
@@Zygrene if I was not located on the east coast, I would lend you mine!! If you ever come out here I got you, but I know a few of the Cali GSFs, maybe I can help connect you to the owners if they are interested
You can buy two mustangs for the price of this, you really have to be a weeb to want a slow, slushbox, lexus coupe labeling itself as a sports car IS 500 is a different story, at least that's four doors so it's something american muscle can't offer And the LC 500 goes all in on luxury, it doesn't pretend to be a sports car
The IS 500 is still a lot more expensive on the used market (though much newer, obviously). Have you driven an LC? I have, on track, and it handled great. Sure, it was luxurious, but it wasn't a boat.
@@ARentz07 Yeah we're talking about the RCF though. Who would actually buy a new RCF for $80 grand when you could get two mustangs for that price, you could get a used LC 500, you could get an IS 500? RCF is a failed sports car
@@awepossum1059the mustang gt of this year is only a better car to somebody that only cares about racing. In every other way this is a far superior car.
@@mogulme6190 Its literally an F car. That is lexus' racing division. Its supposed to have solid performance but it doesnt, it's heavy and slow and outdated.
@@awepossum1059 Honestly, I would buy an RC F for $80k. I have an IS 500 now, and the RC F would provide some nice handling and braking upgrades over my car while only sacrificing a small amount of practicality. I could upgrade my car myself, but I also think there is something to be said for a car I can buy new with a warranty having those things already.
The design aged pretty well.
Yes. Always was a nice car. Never cared for Lexus interiors though.
Yes it has
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I love my RC F. It's not really the best at anything, but it's good enough at everything. I use mine for track, daily, road trips, it's really a car that grows on you as you live with it.
I can't believe it's almost 10 years old... wild
@@ogmechsftw Agreed. It does everything very well. It is actually very well matched on the track with the F82 M4
I’d argue it’s the best in terms of reliability. Know one guy with a lot of miles on his and another with just shy of 200K miles on his IS-F. No real issues with either aside from a cracked windshield wiper fluid reservoir in the IS-F.
@@JGA347 Very true. 100% Agreed.
@@JGA347 Agreed. It's the best at reliability so the original comment I disagree with.
@@JGA347 lmao reliability isn't everything buddy, seems like toyota and lexus fanboys always using reliability to justify the lack of pretty much everything else and Toyota/lexus know that hance why they barely making any improvements
Lexus doesn't care what everyone else is doing. They're just smoooooth.
Best purchase I’ve ever made is my 15’ Carbon TVD. When I tell people my car is 9 years old the expressions they show is hilarious. Nothing cheap was used for these being built, only thing I’d upgrade to is an Anniversary for the color scheme or a Track edition for lighter performance. The car is discontinued after this year so we might get a new TTV8 the GT3 car is testing.
How has the TVD been treating you? Been In the market for a 15’-19’, but honestly have been steering away from the trims with tvd because of the horror stories of replacing it if it goes out.
@@bostin3535 no issues with mine. Im at 118k now with a lot of spirited driving. Its service interval is right around the corner and I plan on getting that done. Not really sure what would cause them to go bad honestly.
What does TVD mean??
@@MidnightV6 torque vectoring differential. It’s a feature that comes with the higher end trims levels for this car. Really cool tech that allows torque to be applied to individual wheels, so improved handling in turns for example. One of the downsides is the potential of replacing this system if it goes which from what I heard is a pretty penny, I’m talking $15,000+
@@2URLex good to know, I’ll keep that in mind. Might be worth to put my cautions aside and go for a tvd model. Thanks for the response!
Light performance oriented mods really make these cars shine. I have a '16 GSF with aftermarket catback exhaust, polyurethane LCA bushings, full body bracing, and those mods alone improved the driving dynamic significantly. Going to add some coilovers soon to really get it to the next level.
I have test driven RCFs several times including the track editor in the Lexus performance school event. Drove it back to back in a auto cross with the LC500 and the IS500. Definitely, feels the most stiffest and most buttoned down of the three with the least amount of float. Very hunkered down and tall happy. The LC500 feels very big, clumsy and the 4400 lbs weight with the soft suspension. We also had a lot of overheating issues with the LC500. The IS500 rolls way too much and drags the front wheels. Way too much understeer to push into oversteer. RCF felt the most nimble, playful and wanted to rotate and kick the tail out at every turn. The chassis felt very stiff and buttoned down. Certainly, I would say it is the most track oriented of the 2UR cars.
I keep it on my garage since new on 2016. I love for daily use, and sometimes I use to drive on mountain roads where the car sounds like a beast, with the Invidia exhaust. Still head turning, because is the only one on my city, even being a 8 years old car
I also have the Invidia exhaust on my 2017. It really is a special car.
if any of you are worried about being out of warranty, I drive an ‘08 ISF with 101k miles and the car has never once had an issue. Keep up on the maintenance and these cars are mostly problem free, it’s a Toyota at the end of the day.
Facts
One of the best Daily Drivers you can buy imo
Being an RCF with CF/TVD package (option) and spent a hefty amount on it, it is a great double-duty car. Worth every penny. A big portion of RCF owners use it for track duty and is popular track car in Japan for touge and time attack. The car in the video might be a high mileage one costing only $40K and has a lot of wear and abuse possibly on bushings and suspension. I hate body roll in my high performance car and I am super happy with the RCF damping and body control. A new one should feel different. Mine is almost still brand new with just 10K miles and feels very firm and tight still. Does great on the race track and also a great street car. A lot of the weight is steering weighting as well since in SPORT+ the steering gets a lot heavier and direct. The suspension is actually stiff, if you put really aggressive tires since they are only 19 inches for a heavy car. The real damping characteristics get masked by being undertired as it comes from the factory. Also, driving dynamics wise, it does almost 1g sustained on the skidpad in tests. Stock for stock, for personal experience, factually it is much quicker on the race track than both the previous generation E92 M3 and ISF being one generation newer in terms of lap times. It was an F82 M4 rival in 2015 and put a very similar lap time with Randy Pobst driving it in 2015.
Agreed. Had both the ISF and the RCF. RCF chassis and suspension are way better dialed in compared to my ISF. Chassis feels way stiffer and buttoned down. Not sure how abused the RCF in the video is
What year is your car?
@@johns9904 Mine is a 2016
@@2ZZGE100 owner here, this car shouldn't be too abused or anything, it was a 1 owner car before I bought it at around 43,000 miles. The og owner bought it in 2015 new and sold it back to the same dealership in 2023, seemed to be taken care of (interior fairly clean as well) and serviced at the dealership at every interval. Definitely need to change the tires though, but otherwise it's been a great daily driver.
@@sid1011 Thanks for chiming in. Yeah, definitely perplexing for sure, Mine has the CF/TVD and I track it once in a while and it is amazing on track, but the suspension is basically the same as yours except TVD comes with different rear springs. Like I mentioned, tires do make a huge difference on a car like RCF, which has 19 inch wheels (on the smaller side) and taller sidewalls. My OEM PSS was severely underwhelming (rolled way too much on the sidewalls) so I went with much more aggressive tires and it made a big difference. Once again, thanks for your input. Cheers!
Picking up a 2016 RC F with 49k miles for $37k this weekend. Clean title. 2nd owner and only maintained at dealership. Super excited!
Waiting to pick up a red 2015, 50k miles for 41k
Goood find, where at? Was that out the door price?!
@@roddyrich2335 recent example in June '24 of a 2017 27k mile RCF, it was on westcoast shipped it eastcoast 48k list price 55k out the door including shipping and tint, its a pretty penny and it felt decent enough price. the market on these is really small only about ~7k ever made it in USA for all the years. Worth every penny. Already put 8k miles on it, zero issues, hard driving. did 30k maintenance when I got the car ~$750 oil change since then ~$220 and it lives at the gas station. 15-25 mpg depending on driving.
Seems about the right price..you'll love it
I would put this against maybe a RS5 , C63s coupe, or M4 (maybe M6?). In that used 40-50k range. Would be a neat compilation.
That must have been an abused RCF as is the case of most of the $40k RCF, but being an ISF and RCF owner, RCF has way better driving dynamics with the low, wider and stiffer chassis. The added weight has a lot to do with the chassis rigidity.
Agreed. I drove the RCF with TVD and the LC500 and IS500 on the track back to back at the Lexus Performance School. RCF had the best body control of the three. Had the most playful character and wanted to power oversteer at every corner. Way too much fun if you push it to the limits. It also had the least amount of body roll
Maybe an accident, but the car is almost 10 years old.. that’s about what they’re selling for
Idc, I love these cars and after owning BMWs I’m starting to think about going for one, even if it’s not the best performance car the looks are for me and the reliability and resale value is superb
You won’t regret switching over to the RC. It may not be as powerful as a BMW, but damn these are fun and reliable. Also they turn heads.
@@SAYZLEE2024 BMW M4 has 473 hp, the 2015 RC F has 467 hp (471hp on the ‘20+.) Granted, the RC F is 300 pounds heavier. But, some of that weigh is: dry sump oil system, trans cooler, oil cooler, insanely stiff chassis, fully forged aluminum subframe, forged wheels, titanium valves…I mean the build quality is just INSANE on the RC F. PLUS…and this is a KEY point for me…(and before I say it let me acknowledge that compares a lightly modded car to a stock car opens the doors to the spiraling conversation of “ok then I’ll just do this mod then”)…BUT I think it’s somewhat “unfair” that the M4 is turbo and RC F is a N/A car WITH a VERY restrictive exhaust/emissions/quiet Lexus standard…what am I getting at? Let’s give the RC F just a bit more breathing. Let’s compare the RC F with intake long tubes, x-pipe, exhaust and a tune. THAT is a menacing daily/track car. “Well, I get tune the M4 then”…ok, that’s fair.
But, NOW we get to the POINT…
A Lexus F-car with headers and fbo with go for 200k+ miles, run like the day you bought it, and sell for great money.
BMWs basically implode when the warranty is up and their resale is garbage if they have any miles at all.
i need a v8 in my life
Loved my ISF for the last 4 years, just went FBO last year. Just bought my dream spec LC 500; 2019 Inspiration Series. And an RCF track edition has to be next 🙂 I need all the factory carbon!
You really can’t compare the way these cars feel in terms of build quality and the ownership experience on the used market.
You are quickly becoming my favorite car reviewer. You get straight to the point
What I really want is an IS F but people keep wrecking those
@@johnl.38 then the value is going to keep climbing the less there are lol
i just recently traded my 2016 f83 m4 for a 2015 rcf. many would say why? i say its because of the intangibles. the rarity. the reliability. they resale. no its not the fastest but in a day when you can buy 700-1000 hp production cars and electric cars that can dust most ice cars, i say who cares. oh and by they way....everything weighs 2 tons these days.
Sometimes I have second thoughts about getting my F87 over this 😔 more smaller and lighter, more usable, more manual, but rcf has such better inputs and engine and even the interior in some aspects
Most underrated car/coupe in the market imo.
Hi, big fan! Really curious on your opinion given you’ve driven both cars - how would you pick between a RCF and a S550 gt premium w/ performance pack?
I’m a huge manual fan so I’m hesitant to give up that in the RCF but from what I’ve read the getrag leaves much to be desired in the mustang. How does chassis dynamic and especially steering compare between the two cars?
I rented a SS 1LE for a week and fell in love with the steering, engine, and transmission. Biggest problem was the visibility. It felt a little claustrophobic on my commute and for around town driving. I would essentially love a SS 1LE in a more premium package, any opinions which you would go with for a daily driver? 85% boring stuff, 14% spirited driving, 1% track work.
GSF , 4 door, is only 70 lbs heavier, and always comes with special torque vector diff and extra cooling systems. Some can tell difference of its pure platform vs mixed of RC. That V8 in Sport mode is very entertaining, handling is great, ride in hwys made of concrete though are a bit too stiff/bouncy for 2016 fixed rate dampers. NO 4,000 + vehicle is as much fun in curves as 3,000 lb vehicles though.
About six months ago, I bought a 13 ISF in ultrasonic blue off my friend, he ended up getting a GT3 but needed a good daily car and missed the ISF so much he went out and bought a RCF, it looks like you’re somewhere at the Bay Area. I can’t tell if that’s Crow Canyon. I grew up in San Ramon, in fact the ISF I bought for my buddy he’s out of San Ramon. I live in Sacramento.
Bought my 17 as the proper GT warrior and it’s been great- not exceptional compared to some of its competitors in the performance segment, but damnit if the V8 isn’t beautiful and more importantly, reliable
You put it well, for sub 50k, although out of warranty, there’s little to worry about (shy of the valley plate 😅). It’s nice that ISF guys and a few RCF guys have done the high mileage research and these powertrains can take track abuse upwards of 200k to 300k miles on the clock.
great vid zy, didnt know this boat weighed 2 tons
So does every other car in this segment haha. Everything today is a boat.
My problem with the RC and LC is that for the $, it can’t compete. The V8 sounds great, the transmission is quick enough. The chassis and weight just holds it down.
Still one of my fave-sounding engines out there. I want that thing in any car I get xD
Epic engine, shame car is too heavy. Great review as always
I have a 2015 and i love the sound of the roaring engine.
To me that's a dream.
I had BMWs and lived in service centers with housewives.
Knocking a car for weighing 2 tons when modern BMWs weigh 2.5 and more, amateurs….
Good car but doesn't excel in any one area- its just ok in most areas. The chassis doesn't really inspire confidence and overall the power is weak, with little aftermarket support - does sound good though.
None of the things you said are true. It is not the best at anything and that is true, but does very well in many areas. At high altitude, my 60 - 130 mph is 11 seconds. That is very quick for this DA. I have ran many early F82 M4 with minor bolt-ons (myself being bolt-ons) on the race track and none of what it seems on paper, holds true on the track, if one can extract the best from a high-revving engine.
@@2ZZGE100 🤣 sounds good man. These things are heavy and were almost an afterthought by Lexus. Its a half an IS and half a convertible. Sorry you didn't like my comment bud, but I owned a 2017 and it was very underwhelming.
@@DreezyinaV I am not arguing . Just stating it is far from weak and underwhelming if one really extracts its potential with jekyll/hyde personality. It is actually an amazing performance machine. A lot of that is because of the chassis rigidity. I take mine to the track and push it to absolute limits and know how to it handles. I am only stating fact that it is incredibly fun and amazing at the limits. Almost 1.00 g on the skid pad on street tires. Even an M2 these days weighs nearly 3900 lbs. RCF chassis is what they use in modified form in the GT3 program. You are talking about the chassis, I actually own a 2019 IS350 F-Sport as well. It never makes me forget why Lexus chose to build a different chassis and not use the 3IS chassis and make RC/RCF out of it. It has a lot of shudder and floppy behavior while the RCF feels like a brick over the same bumps. RCF chassis compared g to my IS chassis is night and day. Way more stiffer.
car that offer more for sub $50k than the RCF, well..... GSF weight more but with better interior and using the same old Aisin 8spd with 5.0 motor lol.
If you can do a GSF review that would be great tho. I do enjoy the Lexus level of over kill in term of brakes and motor design, unfortunately it also the weak point when offer as performance car when sold as new vehicle.
I love the RCF, but.I still think the 6th gen Camaro SS 1LE is the best sports car for the money
That's hard to disagree with when it was tested and put up a similar time to a Nissan GT-R.
It depends if you limit it to 2+2 coupes or not. Obviously a c6/c7 will do similar straightlime but much better on the track than the Camaro for similar money.
this came at perfect timing I was just thinking of getting this exact car!!
Had mine 2 years you wont regret it
I love my RCF. I wish you can drive one with cf roof and TVD to see if you feel a difference,
What is cf roof and TVD? Sorry new to cars and dont own a lexus or toyota lol
@@MidnightV6 Legit question lol. TVD is torque vectoring differential (instead of LSD, look it up and see how it works). CF is carbon fiber and the Performance Package comes with a cf roof instead of steel with sunroof (which weighs more). Hope that helps.
Still my dream car.
Hope you can review a gsf one day brother
This is the car you get when you don’t want a fuck boy V8 or non of the V6 TT cars appeal to you. These cars can definitely can hold their own after some mods, but you aren’t worried about being the fastest when buying one of these.
this over an M4 all day
how does it compare to chevy SS? similar price range, similar curb weight, v8.
I was just looking at these last night. What the heck
I wish they put the 5.4 litter V8 in the regular production car
45 seconds ago is crazy (dream car fr)
How many miles are on this one?
You keep mentioning it’s a 2 tonne, where did you get that info from? Nowhere in the advertising material does it say that.. rcf is 1740kg. The rc350 F sport is 1680kg for the rwd
1740kg is 3828 lbs, nearly 4000 lbs
Ton = 2000lbs
Curious to know how you feel about the RC F compared to the LC?
I prefer the handling (slightly), engine sound, interior, and transmission of the LC. I would say it's better in every way but you do pay a hefty premium.
@@Zygrene Subjective aside, the LC500 is softer and has 400 lbs extra weight. Much bigger as well being on the LS chassis. On the race track, RCF officially is significantly faster than the LC500 objectively with Scott Pruett. There is even a video of an owner of LC500, RCF and GSF talking about each and their differences. RCF is the only he takes to the track because LC500 is a GT luxury car and the most special while GSF is inherently a big family sedan.
I own an LC500, the RCF is purpose built and feels the part to me.
Jeremy Clarkson hated it...everybody should now do the same.....this is a better purchase than a ford mustang and i dont know what people mean by its ugly... The RCF is gonna be missed when its gone
Once I get my gx460 I'm considering getting a rcf or lc500 to replace my integra type s eventually.
It definitely won't handle as well but I think one of those will be better for my commute that consists of mostly freeway and surface streets. I hate to think of getting rid of it eventually but I rarely utilize my type s for what it's meant for so I feel like dailying a V8 would be a better choice since I rarely have time to go up to the canyons. Thoughts?
Get a LC500 as soon as you can, they are “cheap” currently. Or at least the first few years. They will go up like crazy in the near future… although that is a personal theory though. Keep in mind the infotainment stuff cause it is a infamously annoying.
@@xRoofkoreanx I'd so get one if I could right now. My theory is that LC500 will be a future classic but probably not for another 10+ years like how every under appreciated car of its time was.
RCF is definitely more comfortable than ITS, but also a lot less practical.
@@A_guan same, hoping to have one soon. I hope it’ll be that long till they get appreciated. Wishing people would stop making videos on how good they are lol.
@@xRoofkoreanx exactly! I'm hoping I can find a 2024 eventually. Specifically a white on red but no Alcantara seats for me. I have them on my type s and I prefer leather just because they're easier to maintain. It sucks that the LC500 forces you to get Alcantara seats when you opt for the dynamic handling package
Ain’t no Miata tho
ls3 miata exists, but i want toyota or konigseggs inline 3
So how about this vs SS 1LE??
Great video as always. I know they're a bit different, but how do you think this compares to the Vantage your reviewed a while ago?
lexus RC F or a infiniti q50/60 red sport or kia stinger?
or a dodge charger scat pack
I think for the money the 6th Gen SS 1LE is the better buy at least in terms of fun.
Long term reliability aside…which the Lexus would probably be better…it’s a sharper car, has one of the best manual transmissions out there, and is still plenty comfortable to daily drive. The visibility is the only real glaring issue. RCF definitely wins in that department.
I drove my buddy’s RCF briefly and while it is a really nice car, the transmission really spoiled the experience for me. The downshifts are inconsistent, often delayed, and not always smooth. For the price of the car, especially when it was new…it should have come with a better sorted transmission. It was fully warmed up as well.
That and the fact you don’t feel really anything. 110 mph is boring….between the auto and the super insulated cabin, it feels like a video game. You don’t get much of a sense of speed and because the engine is so linear and not particularly torquey…you don’t get much of a shove. You look down and realize you’re hauling.
If it had a manual transmission, I think it would be one of the best GT cars on the market though. It’s pretty fast, I think that engine is underrated because the RCF is faster than cars it shouldn’t be on paper… The interior is nice, brakes feel good, it does a lot of things well.
It doesn’t do it for me, my ND2 is way more draining to daily drive but it’s also way more fun, especially on a backroad.
The 19 SS 1LE I had before was nearly as good of an all rounder but was way more engaging to drive. That car hides its weight incredibly well.
My friend loves his RCF though. If you’re not a complete drivers car nerd like me….its a really solid package overall.
No tvd?
Bro what they weigh that much? My model 3 long range dual motor weights 4000 pounds
You'd be surprised with how heavy modern performance cars are these days as well.
I bought a 2016 RCF last year as a daily. It sounds/looks great, & is super reliable, but not much of a track car.
Because it's not a track car. It's a big comfy GT.
I just tracked a fully prepped 2016 (stripped interior, down to 3500 lbs) last weekend and it was super impressive. Completely unfit for daily driving though.
It is a double duty car. I track it and also take my two kids in baby seats. It does everything very well. The only thing I swapped chassis and suspension wise, was much more aggressive tires (stock PSS tires were disappointing and too soft for the weight) and also LCA stiffer bushings that gives a bit more feedback from the front and makes tire wear more even.
@@Zygrene David Yansens? He is an avid track racer who has a time-attack RCF and has some really impressive track laps against other cars.
TLX Type-S weighs something similar too.
TLX Type S weighs even more than the RC F.
You forgot rs5 2013-2016
Have a 2015 with 73k miles
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2015 car for 45k? Fuck off with that, in no way is that justified 😂
Lol GSF can compete with the RCF to your ending question
On paper, RCF is much smaller, lighter, stiffer and also shorter (lower too). So, the dynamics favor the RCF, but in real life, the GSF gives you a lot more practicality with that 1 foot additional wheelbase.
@@2ZZGE100 I was just waiting for you to respond haha. I do agree honestly with what you are saying, as both a buddy & myself do autocross together. His RCF handles differently than my GSF. Cool to compare them
@@DahMexico Lol thanks man. Both have their advanced
I would love to review a GS F. They are so hard to come by.
@@Zygrene if I was not located on the east coast, I would lend you mine!! If you ever come out here I got you, but I know a few of the Cali GSFs, maybe I can help connect you to the owners if they are interested
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Such a boring car, inside and out.
You can buy two mustangs for the price of this, you really have to be a weeb to want a slow, slushbox, lexus coupe labeling itself as a sports car
IS 500 is a different story, at least that's four doors so it's something american muscle can't offer
And the LC 500 goes all in on luxury, it doesn't pretend to be a sports car
The IS 500 is still a lot more expensive on the used market (though much newer, obviously). Have you driven an LC? I have, on track, and it handled great. Sure, it was luxurious, but it wasn't a boat.
@@ARentz07 Yeah we're talking about the RCF though. Who would actually buy a new RCF for $80 grand when you could get two mustangs for that price, you could get a used LC 500, you could get an IS 500? RCF is a failed sports car
@@awepossum1059the mustang gt of this year is only a better car to somebody that only cares about racing. In every other way this is a far superior car.
@@mogulme6190 Its literally an F car. That is lexus' racing division. Its supposed to have solid performance but it doesnt, it's heavy and slow and outdated.
@@awepossum1059 Honestly, I would buy an RC F for $80k. I have an IS 500 now, and the RC F would provide some nice handling and braking upgrades over my car while only sacrificing a small amount of practicality. I could upgrade my car myself, but I also think there is something to be said for a car I can buy new with a warranty having those things already.
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