How to Turn Your Computer into an SSL Mixing Console
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Learn how to get a great punchy mix by creating a virtual SSL console inside your computer and mixing an entire song with just the Waves SSL plugins. Learn more: www.waves.com/ssl. The Recording Revolution: recordingrevol...
Hey guys Graham here from the recording revolution.
Hahaha
Juggin Music right 😁
Juggin Music wait, what company is he from again?
I think you mean "Hey friends, Graham here from the recording revolution dot caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam"
Hey mixers, GAH-RAM here...
One of the most generous teachers I've followed. Thanks G.C
Would have been a great idea if waves had released a dedicated control surface that looked like the channel strip.
Sick idea
softube console 1?
Yes! I thought the same as well.
your right they should release a dcs!!
canvoodoo the best reflection on UA-cam !!
Thanks man I thought about it too and by the way .. the guys from cakewalk copy them and do the same for their flagship DAW (Sonar) fuckin' please .. hhhhh
Rumor has it, if you count how many times he blinks, your daw turns into the console over night.
Jk, love Graham. Learned a lot from his videos
Waves must have a SSL 4000 Collection special or something because this is the 3rd video I see in my subscription feed about the SSL plugins from various channels.
Love it!
I was kind of struggeling with having to much fancy plugins and WOW!-making machines in my DAW, when I tried this it was like going back to school and it was really exciting! Fixed my mix! Thank you Graham!
Correct
Yeaasss! Waves Audio please do more videos with this guy, I'd buy anything he tells me to. He's an OG.
is your friend or family? ;-)
Seb. Probably a subscriber to Graham's UA-cam channel. He's been doing this a long time.
Yep! that's true :)
This guy knows what's he's doing and talking about!
great plugin. those interested might want to try the Harrison Mixbus 32C console. It was designed from the ground up by Harrison Consoles to simulate their analogue hardware right down to the electrical circuit. But instead of doing that per-track, the entire console is emulated. Correct me if I am wrong. I love using it. The workflow is immediate and fast. No need to display a plugin window floating over your daw. I think propellerhead does a similar thing?
Ok this is great but, you have to add in NLS for the full effect of the console!
Underrated comment right here😤
Great idea. They tried the "CLA mixhub", but it's not a summing plugin like NLS.
@@Purpleinvasion1212 completely underrated
@@SADwxrld it should be illegal to share this knowledge imo. It’s literally worth 2M
Its also a good idea to use the Waves NLS on the last insert of your channel signal chains in the mix. Obviously the NLS would be set to the SSL configuration... And have the NLS stereo buss on the master fader for the true SSL experience
*WOW!! Super Video!* Amazing! I have the Wave SSL plugins and i like it. This Sound is very good. Thank you so much for this great Video. Very best regards from Anni from Germany 💕 💞 💓 💗 💖
Just for kicks I checked an SSL E 4000 G+ console price on ebay: €59000. And Waves' plug collection costs $299 at their site right now. So it's not the same sound as the console, but... with a bit of perspective, the plugs are useful and practical, especially if you're mixing on the go. Nice presentation.
I'm going to try this and do a video. Thank you, Graham. You rock. 👌🏾
10 minutes in, I was 100% sure, it was Graham's channel lmao
Graham recently made a podcast making a case against third party plugins, and here he is marketing third party plugins.
Yeah, I've listened to it. Joe Gilder seems to be still commited to the stock plugins philosophy.
I am using SSL demo at the moment and it definitely is huuuuge timesaver. Great stuff from Waves. Guys check out NLS too.
"A paycheck's a paycheck, right? Ya can't hate that.”
deadmau5
Thank.You. For. This. Video. It's all about time-saving and the E channel is amazing!! Turning my daw into a console
If you compared this with an actual SSL, the difference would blow your mind.
You mean how 40+ year old desks needs constant expensive maintenance?
@@freewheeler8924 Shots fired!! :) I think it was a tone snob comment.
@@techniqueswithtodd Actually, channel strips VSTs often include noise and mains hum as options and faithfully replicate other shortcomings of the old decks - they ought to implement breakdowns too, where you can't use it for a couple of weeks until a virtual specialist technician is available! Now that's realism.
If you use the waves SSL collection paired up with NLS, there is no difference. Anyone who thinks there is a difference with older recordings done on SSL consoles vs the plugins are missing the idea that older recordings were recorded to tape and Mastered in the analog domain as well. That will add extra color and warmth than what the actual desk was producing. Mixes done with an SSL 4000 console and printed straight to protools sounds no different than SSL console plugins properly placed and routed.
@@freewheeler8924 Hmmmm...
A brand new SSL needs no maintenance.
Love the plugin. Not too big a fan of that snare sound. Too small and thin. But thats just my personal preference 😇
this is the way i do it in cubase with the G channel. I have the plugin mapped out to the tascam us2400 and its all you need! It has everything you need. EQ, HP/LP, gate, comp,
I'm sure I read somewhere that the plugins add an analogue interpolation so that 2 channels with the same audio, same SSL plug in with the same settings will sound different to mimic the different in the analogue path. I also find that when wearing a button down collar, I think it sounds better when those buttons are engaged but that's just personal opinion.
Having gotten used to REAPER, I am really sorry to say: if your DAW does not have a phase button on its channels, you're not getting your money's worth. Phase is as basic as faders and panning.
But pro tools is high end studio standard. So?
Awesome job as always Graham!!!
Graham, always that brutal video editing..
Good work Graham!
I love graham he is such an amazing teacher, I learned sooo much from him!
Ultimately if you are creating music for the youth market, you dont need an SSL (either real or virtual), super expensive monitors etc as most of the listeners will be playing your music out of crappy Apple ear plugs or worse out of the speaker on their phone from crappy MP3 files that have been compressed to buggery.
Music has come full circle from the days when teens would play singles on cheap record players with built in tinny speakers to now where most dont even own a decent stereo and play everything on their phone or laptop.
Now if you are mixing music for old gits (like me) or for film soundtracks, then thats another story.
But visit most large studios now and most use their SSL/Neve desks as expensive coffee tables as most of their action goes via a ProTools rig. Unless you are regularly recording 60 piece orchestras or Metal drummers with their Double Kick 20 piece kits, you really only need about 8 channels of I/O at any one time.
Really? Graham? Just run audio through it and it already sounds better? I did a null test with the SSL E channel. It does zero, null, nothing, nada... by default. Maybe the frequency curves and compressor work to emulate SSL - but by default it does nothing.
Looks like the Console, but side by side the Console has more of EVERYTHING! Depth, Stereo Width, and the of course the sound!
What would be great is if Waves had a "vertical" view mode on the SSL channel strip to look more like the console strip, the scheps 73 has a + - fader mode?!
Yeah that would be amazing!
What made great those SSL consoles (like every other console on earth) was that every channel was slightly different from the other. Discrete electronics behave like this. The plugin is modeled after one channel, and if you use the same plug on every track, you just get buildups. This is NOT the way it used to work Graham, and you should know it. Mr. Scheps himself also suggest to use different kind of plugs just to get separation.
Alberto Dati agreed. They have the NLS that does just that, which I just picked up. You have any thoughts on that one?
3 different flavours there, more variations. But as always, if you aim for separation, use different plugs, different brands, go hybrid, ecc. ecc.
What kind of 'separation' are you talking about?
The Harrison mixbus DAW software models the subtle differences from channel to channel...haven't had a chance to use it as I use Logic....but I'm curious...
Waves tries to solve this problem with their NLS (Spike setting) plug ins, but still fall short...
I have this and the NLS but I use both on each track, since the SSL plugin doesn't have unique channels. Wish the SSL channel strip had a bus to do NLS from within and unique channel presence.
I wish the NLS-channels would be narrower visually and there was some kind of "tray" I could throw them in to move them around together. - That last thing would probably depend on the DAW, and I suppose Reaper could do that... But anyway. They're so chunky with lots of dead space. - I love using them to emulate a console, but it's elaborate and tedious to have to switch between them while trying to do levels and such.
I know you can do part on the Buss, but still, I don't like when plug-ins use a lot of visual real-estate.
I really like that track and I purchased the Waves plugins to have this capability...
I spent a good amount of time with Reason when I got back into DAW's around Reason 3. After Reason 5, I stopped and moved to Ableton. What was interesting about Reason 5 and when it was separated as Record was the SSL 9000k. After watching years worth of tutorials an engineer who was born and raised mixing on the SSL 9000k did a youtube video on how to use it in Reason and he mentions to start with the Master Bus compressor turned on. I was like ...huh? What frustrated me about the workflow is to someone who has not been to school for audio engineering it is not intuitive. My final mixes I abandoned in Reason simply because after getting everything sounding the way I wanted it to the exported audio would drop several db and didn't sound the way it was in the studio monitors especially when moved to another system. And so, I dove into the world of VSTs and Ableton. Now years later, I'm going to dive into Pro-tools with a ton of research into waves audio, uad and other things to help a mix. Ideally, I feel now I can finish my tracks but I'd rather hire someone who has been to school for this sort of thing or has a good ear and talent for it. Not everyone does. And I feel it is money well spent to send on your audio stems to a professional. I'd love to do it myself but an engineer is really best seeing their ears will be unbiased and that is just as important as the plug-ins.
*UnAbleton
Thanks, your the best. Keep up the good work.
I own the SSL plugs bundle. Its cool for fixing stuff... If you want a console sound and experience buy Softube Console One... For the price of the plugin bundle you can get something that actually sounds like the console and has a controller that is rad. It sounds more like the desk than the outdated waves bundle. The controller also works with all UA plugins as a controller
I'm totally going to do this. is why I haven't thought of it!
Great job man!
Thumbs up for ditching light effect in the eyes
But he looked so angelic... :(
0:07 You can not get Software plug ins to replicate the an SSL. You can emulate it but there is no way in hell the caps, diodes, components on a motherboard and CPU are going to exactly replicate the SSL. This video is merely a sales pitch. However, these are great plug ins. they sound amazing. Just don't think your going to have an exact copy of an SSL desk.
ageed !
@@Subholik3 It may have sounded like i was shitting on these plug ins but The SSL bus compressor is one of my favorite plug ins to use during the mastering process. However any plug in today are just not there yet. they are indeed getting better, they just haven't got there yet in terms of good replication.
completely valid points, but I dont think anyone genuinely believed that doing this would LITERALLY turn there pc into an actual $100,000 console lol
@@ZacharyScottBeats your right. i agree with you, But then again i'm an experienced engineer who knows better. when you hear @ 0:07 "You can use it to Turn your recording software into an SSL console". Its kind of to the point. Which is basically bullshit. It literally says it right there in the first few seconds.
Has anyone in this thread ever mixed on a ssl console?
"How to Turn Your Computer into an SSL Mixing Console" ... Use SSL plugins
Remember guys, the recording are made with HQ instruments, mics, amps, processors, eqs, etc...
That’s false.. Squier’s, Alesis, and so forth are some of the most used in pre-production recordings.
If you have no talent, or vision.. you could take the creme of the crop and still sound like 💩
Hey Graham! Thanks for the great tips. I would love to try using this method as a starting point in my mixes.
Or you can use channel strip plugins designed by SSL
The SSL bundle is nothing less than Waves’ crowning achievement. For the money, the single best plug-in investment I’ve ever made.
That U87 box tops the shelf though. XD
That's not a U87 it's a TLM103
102
Reason has all those features built in already!!
What about NLS ? you don't use with SSL Channel strip ?
Yeah 😂😂
Hi, what about the argument that you need to use K Metering (minus 14dB or minus 20db) to mix through modelled plugins, because the output of digital is so much higher than it would have been from it was in the analogue days???
Don't fall for the marketing.
I would like to hear of you add more saturation with gain in and Balance with output as it sounds like...
Would you prefer doing that vs the softube saturation knob.
High! I notice you are using a small drawing pad..what are you using?
How you gonna have all that table, panels, racks, and be using KRKs? #Focals
Great info here! 💯
LOVE my SSL --
How do you insert the SSL channel strip on all your tracks at once? (3:41) I've tried selecting all tracks, but it only puts the plugin on the first track. What's the modifier key? Thanks!
By pass can't be used for a - b. It change the sound still. And in digital I like by pass for some. Even bank space between insert makes different timing
Gr8 video and great song.
Can you do a review of the Brainworx bx_console ? I have used the waves SSL a lot in the past but since using the bx_console, I just can't get the result of bx_console by using any other channel plugin.
I look forward to your review of the bx_console.
Thanks.
Thanks! Great song, mate! :)
Hi! This is what I've been hoping for years for a live vocal.. I've just purchased the x32 compact but had I known about this!! I do a two piece vocal act using tracks from laptop... would this work for me fir this simple setup? Thank you! Great video!!
You can use Waves plugins with your x32. check this out: www.waves.com/live-sound/behringer
FIRE.... GREAT TUTORIAL
Uh ohhh, here comes all the UAD users to try and tell us how much better their SSL emulation plugin sounds than Waves... SMH. Suckers. Just because some people prefer Waves does not make their music any better or worse than somebody who uses UAD. I know plenty of people who use Waves, and their music is ON POINT!!!! Some even more so than people I know with hardware. It not what you use, it's HOW YOU USE IT!!! And I have hardware also, so I'm not just taking up for Waves just because I use it. UAD is great plugs don't get me wrong, but stop Waves bashing. If you have UAD, good for you (handclaps), but everybody doesn't have to use what you use. I've even heard people say that some of the Waves plugins sound more "musical" to them than UAD. IJS. Everyone has a different look on things in life, that's what makes us different.
I’m a UA end-user, Apogee too... but I think Waves is actually a better enhancement over the UAD counterpart. I’m currently demoing the UAD SSL Unison plugin, but leaning towards the Waves offering.
With LUNA about to launch, it supports AU, so Waves could be used alongside the UA ecosystem, which is a win-win (IMO).
Waves is on point and then some! 🤙🏽
Great vid, thanks for the tips.
So I guess, if you also add the NLS channel and bus plugins to work together with this it would totally kick ass right?
Sounds really good. Who is the band and what's the song - I'd love to buy it.
Thanks Graham, i just bought it
😃👍
Why does everyone think there is harmonic distortion off these plugins?There isnt.Still great plugins though.But duplicate a track put a channel strip on one and flip the phase on one,silence.Basically no harmonic distortion.
I just watched another Waves video with the product manager of the 4000 plugs and he described not getting the sound right until they modeled the noise and harmonic distortion into the modeled circuit...So....I'm going to have to disagree with you.
But you maybe thinking of a separate harmonic distortion model....(like perhaps the red and blue silk circuit on newer Neve hardware)....in which case you'd be correct...they did not model something like that...
Nope im on bout people saying they just throw it on the track for color.Seen it loads of times.For example just throw on say the v series eq or one of their compressors or other analog modeled plugins and theres some color.Test it by duplicating the track putting a plugin on one track and flipping the phase.you will hear only the harmonics the plugins add.there is silence when doing this with the ssl plugins.Dont get me wrong im not dissing these plugins at all.I have them and use em a lot as they are really great.Just find it odd when people say they throw em on the track for color when there isnt any.
There is harmonic distortion, you will need a sine wave test tone (e.g. 1khz ),watch your spectrum analizer if you are using a -18 db test tone,you should see two aditional harmonics,a lower one at 2khz(about -130 db) and a higher at 3khz(-112 db).You can also remove the noise floor emulation by selecting "Analog" to "off".from my tests with dirac impulses and white noise there is NO frequency response emulation ,it's completely flat,Waves NLS can simulate this behaviour).(btw,i'm not endorsed by waves)
How many albums has Graham produced using an SSL console?
Why did he put it on each individual track instead of just creating a bus and send it to 1 SSL channel what’s the difference???
Lets wait for the Neve board from sound city to be created into a plug in WAVES I BEG YOU
Plugin alliance Lindell 80 series.
SSL Channel from Waves is a great tool for mixing, but Graham, he don't simulate the preamp or line stage from the console, just insert the plugin in the track no improve the sound like the real console. For that, your must use the Waves NLS, in the Spike console for emulate the preamp of the console. Great video, thanks!
Thank's for your exlanation, i emulate this analog workflow in my DAW whit Acustica Audio Nebula and yours libraries from AlexB, he makes the best analog emulation using volterra kernels, a type off convolution like altiverb but whit harmonic distortion scaled in how much the signal comes in. I'am from Brazil, sorry my poor english lol.
Amazing mixing
I heard it would SSL-ing more by using NLS (Spike), Which is Waves, hence better than Slate VCC (Brit E). Why do you prefer Slate's over Waves ? Reviews said you could only hear a major change using their Neve (Oups! I meant their Brit-N). But Neve's sound is Fat and almost too 200Hertzy compare to Waves NLS (Spike)-SSL Clean-Pure-Raw-Power, after hearing both, on UA-cam. I wouldn't use it for saturation, for when all tracks are saturated, no tracks are saturated.
But only for the magical SSL-4k sound, that only Waves has managed too captured. (Even CLA uses Waves SSL4000 bundle! Plus all Waves CLA-76, 2A,3A and his Waves signature series. He uses his waves presets to use on his real SSL-G+ (boat-size) console.
When will you have your Waves signature series ? OK cheap joke, but who knows ?????? ;-) Cheers Mate !
good video. i have this plugin but never used it
What's the difference between the mix buss and master fader? Why not just use your master fader?
What you use to install the panels on the walls?
Hello. If I have in my Waves plugins more options from one type (for example: IR1 efficient Stereo/ IR1 full Stereo/ IR1 mono-Stereo), how do I know which one I should to choose?
Thank you for all your advices.
Why can't I hear any differences? I think I have to change my monitor speakers.
can you pls compare G & E channel ? thanks
Does it have a side chaining feature?
“So you don’t lose perspective on the song” exactly why I’m afraid to experiment damned if you do damned if you don’t.
With the board he is working with, is what we are looking at a digital representation of what is happening within an actual board that offers the actual FUNCTION of an SSL logic board or a digital readout of what is happening inside an Actual SSL mixer?
Never mind. It’s all digitized version of an actual SSL board.
It seems SSL plugins (E and G) doing nothing if you put them on your tracks.. I've just made a null test. No emulations.
Could you please talk about real outboard gear such as Warm Audio...Klark Teknik...Stam audio
Universal Audio....not plug-ins please. Thank you.
inserting SLL 4000 plugs on 48 tracks....CPU(?) I Love U!
Exactly..why can't you just put it on the master bus
Great videos. If I'm using the SSL channel strip Plugin, do I need the Slate VCC Channel (Brit 4K E or G) as well?
Do you also put the SSL channel strips on Aux tracks as well? And would it work on the Master Bus too?
hmmmm alot of people say krk's suck for mixing + there are lot of audio samples where you really can hear how muddy they are.
This looks just what I'm looking for but I'd really appreciate if you would answer a question... i recently purchased the X32 compact by Behringer and for a smaller setup I purchased the XR18... I was so disappointed with their sound especially on vocals that I have to sell them on!!... question... what hardware do I need to use with this SSL softwares and is it similar to waves multitrack?? Will the vocals be good? This is fir a two vocal setup using backing tracks so I only need 4 channels but vocals must be tops!
this guy has that vibe where its impossible for him to be real, and turn off the business persona
On this topic, are there any good plugins designed to emulate components of those awesome old Neve consoles? I've got tape-simulation, tube compressor and "exciter" plugins that work okay, but none of them seem to add any warmth. Unfortunately, I have to use VST amp-simulation almost exclusively, since none of the amps/effects processors that would give me the versatility I'm after are in my price range, and it would be nice if I could find a plugin to tame the extraneous high-end sizzle that VST amp-sims like Guitar Rig and Amplitube are known for, while adding some warmth, if that's even possible.
I have a waves bundle can't transport it out of my old computer to my new one ??????
What keyboard with touchbar have you got your hands on there Graham.
Hey Graham....what desk are you using in this video? thanks
What's the song and who wrote it ?
''And when you Stink... am i stinking ?''
What is the difference between nls non-linear summer vs ssl e channel?
These plug-ins mainly for live instruments?
It works for any type of audio.
Hey. Great video. Would you mind telling us how many ghz is the processor that you use to allow you insert this plug-in into every track without overloading your system? Thanx. *----Q----*
This Waves plugin was released in 2006. The CPU requirements for it are very low.