Not Your Average TEKKEN 8 Tier List
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- Anakin's Ease of Use (Recommended Characters) Tier List
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TIME STAMPS
00:00 - Start
01:23 - Ranking the Characters
35:45 - "Easy" to use Tier
35:46 - Law
36:30 - Jun
37:28 - Paul
38:51 - Jin
40:13 - Jack-8
41:19 - Leo
42:06 - Claudio
43:46 - Asuka
44:50 - Kuma/Panda
47:40 - "Not That Easy" Tier
47:26 - Reina
48:35 - Alisa
52:03 - Shaheen
53:00 - Hwoarang
59:20 - "Pretty Hard" Tier
01:04:57 - Kazuya vs Devil Jin
01:08:58 - Leroy
01:12:31 - Nina
01:16:00 - Lee
01:19:18 - Bryan
01:23:40 - Devil Jin
01:27:02 - Xiaoyu
01:30:35 - Raven
01:38:00 - Bottom 3 (Most difficult)
01:38:06 - Steve
01:40:55 - Zafina
01:44:33 - Yoshimitsu
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The Buzz Word for any new fighting game that comes out is TIER LIST - Everybody wants to know who the BEST & WORST character is. I never really cared much for those types of rankings. And on top of that, TEKKEN 8 is a type of game where it doesn't really matter. Every character can win and be successful. Most of your success in the game will likely rely on whether or not their tools/moves are fit for YOUR fighting game style, instead of where they rank on a chart.
I decided to rank all of the characters in order of EASE OF USE. Which characters are hard to use? Which characters are easy to use? Within each tier/row of rankings, different factors separate one character from another, and that's what I spend this video discussing with my Twitch stream. I hope you enjoy! - Ігри
dont let mainman see you put kazuya and nina in the same tier
MASKU
I think he would agree but only if we weren't separating the tiers based on level of play. Like an overall tier list they might be in the same tier.
yeah, and also alisa in not that easy! tmm's ass gonna burn
Main man can’t win against anikin ever. Never. so it doesn’t matter.
main man buns
As a Yoshi main, trust me when I say that there's a fuzzy line between complete randomness and 900IQ bullshit.
As a yoshimain myself, i gotta disagree with anikin. He isnt the hardest to learn (thats literally just like 5 moves. Flash, B2,2. 3:4, Spins (offensive and evasive) and UF2 + cancel.
Maybe some others like 2,2 into NSS flash etc, i think you get what im saying.
But to master him? You in for a ride bro.
Playing yoshi like a sane person is easy. You wanna be a nut and be effective then you’re gonna need a galaxy brain
@@datguy6745 Yeah T8 Yoshi can be played pretty effectively with just fundamentals and few moves, but I think by doing so you're seriously handicapping yourself and might as well just play a character that's more tuned for that, Drag or something. Plus his frames and poking is relatively weak still, he does kinda get forced into disrupting the normal Tekken rules.
It's when you gotta turn those disruptive aspects of Yoshi into something effective that it gets hairy very quickly imo.
@@sirmibathis is the best way I have heard yoshi described "forced to disrupt the normal tekken rules"
Random and unpredictable is his best strat
I added timestamps! Check the vid description 👍
Thx u so much
The timestamps will apply to the video if you set ' 0:00 ' before the first timestamp you made. It's designed to start from 0:00 and since it's not there it's struggling to create them in the actual UI
They're not even correct lol
If anyone new is reading this, listen to Anakin learn one of the easy/top 5 characters to actually get a grasp the game first. While some characters are easier than others in Tekken, none of them are easy to optimize and master. You'll never run out of things to improve on and some harder characters' kits are implausible to fully optimize.
Learning the game playing Kazuya compared to Victor is like night and day. On Kazuya I tend to tunnel vision hard on the execution and would be completely blind to the rest of the game. While I'm on Victor execution is automatic, I don't have to use any concentration on it and thus I can instead use all of it on spacing, mind games, reactions, defense and learning my opponent's tendencies.
I learned Victor because hes cool.
When it comes to mishina execution you just gotta be comfy with wavu and all will be good even if you get a WGF its still good if you use it as a whiff punish while doing spacing,mind games,reactions,defense and ofcourse sometimes youll get a EWGF and then you roll em. Other strong moves for spacing come from wavu so gotta get good at that to have a decent mishima. (eg. demon paw is so much stronger from a wavedash compared to neutral)
Just play whoever looks cool lol. try out everyone.. Kazuya was my first main and I disagree that execution is a big deal for beginners. It was hard learning to play solid tekken at the time with bad electrics and discouraging at times but if you enjoy the game enough you'll be able to push past the execution barrier and learn any character so imo just play whoever looks cool and is fun to play for you
Then why call it a "difficulty list" if it's about character meta. Of course, it's easier to win on a character without a complex execution and with a ton of damage
Absolutely no, i ve seen so many people in blue and purple ranks that play absolutely terrible in those ranks but they somehow made it and its always the same character (drag, feng, azu, ling, victor, jun, alisa and devil jin). Those are the guys you wonder how you lost the round or the game, and then you kinda have to focus and let them lose against themselves.
Bro thank you i jus got off work needed this ngl
Time to chill and listen to me talk for two hours 😂
Listening to this during work, better day already haha
@@TkAnakin Listening to you talk about the game feeds my Tekken addiction while I workout or commute to work
@@TkAnakinjust about to go to bed and this is perfect
@TkAnakin exactly what I did my man 🤣💯 appreciate you 🙏
You the man for this Anakin! Thanks for such a thorough and insightful tier list. Will watch the whole thing through!
A great way of making a tier list. In the end of the day it's not about what character's the strongest but which one is the easiest to execute at a high level.
Lets go been waiting on this from you
*Hey, I agree with most of these. Great job!* 👍💯💫
Ive been following the tournaments and your list is pretty spot on.
Steve is definitely nerfed to death in T8. Even professionals like Heera Knee and Low High barely land his heat mechanics once a month.
Low high tried Steve vs Jeonndding Azucena and got murdered. Heera Malik has also said T8 Steve is nerfed to death.
I tell all my friends how you explained in tag 2 stream that you want a simple character in tournament or clutch situations.i dropped Nina for Leo and main Leo/Jin ever since. I've improved so much since then. Glad we got a updated t8 list
@John-eh2zc Not necessarily got better by picking an easier character, but kinda like he says it allows me to focus on other areas of the game and playing well, making reads, reacting to mix etc.
Jin was a bit harder in the past so when i got better with other chars I could use what i learned with my main.
rewatching this now with the timestamps, so useful!
I would still put Kazuya as the hardest even though I main Yoshi myself, been playing him since T6 and I have to say that T8 Yoshi is the strongest so far. More than T7 where he really relies on Gimmicks and 50/50 on walls because of his bad fundamentals and lackluster damage.
Additionally, a big influx of Yoshi players in T8 just spam 3, 1(+7 on Block) into F1+2 or 4, Yoshi never had that strong 50/50 where he forces you to guess without walls before T8. Eyemusician also said the same thing but having a strong move is not necessarily a bad thing, I mean hey, who wouldn't want their main to be stronger?
Plus, he hits so freaking hard now, add it to the fact that he still has 50/50 on walls and great Okizemes, that damage buff is just a blessing.
People conflating how much they dont like fighting a character = how easy they are
Seeing that with Alisa here
@@LG_BOII I FUCKING HATE DEVIN JIN
@@prasanthraonilapu8809Alisa is pretty easy, i mean her bread and butter combo filler is just UF 1,1
@@NinjasimpmunkAlisa's difficulty isnt in her execution, its in her game plan against people that know how to defend
@@frobeusns6404 isn't every character becomes harder when your opponent knows how to deal with you?
Thank you for speaking the truth about Xiaoyu. Everyone else is making it sound like she’s super easy to pick up and abuse.
Cheese offense is always easy, until you start getting matched with people who know more. Then it requires skill. Can be applied to literally EVERY character. She gets shit on because the pros also complain about her lol.
She cheap bro, you not gone hit
Easy or not, still one of the most obnoxious characters to face online
Still carried
i miss the X/Y axis charts. I dont blame this new method. i figure too many ppl haVe too smooth a brain to read the X/Y proper.
It just showed a better understanding in total. Like simple to complex and bad to good. It could show an easy/hard characters ranking then how well they could be at high level.
Like D Jin being hard to use but a very strong character in total
The problem with those charts is that the axis themselves are much more arbitrary so idk if it even matters. I do agree visually they're a lot easier to digest though
As a Steve main I can confirm that Steve is a MDFKR he is truly hard but I love him so I was willing to risk 4 controllers to learn him 😂
Kuma getting so many Heihachi moves made me so happy
He needs more Kuma needs Raijin and that parry
This is an interesting one for sure. I agree on most characters. I am blue ranks with Leroy and purple with like 4 others so far. I would definitely put Kazuya lower since he has to launch -15 and lower with electric. Which makes playing defence really hard, compared to the rest of the cast. A thing i am guessing that Anakin kept in mind when making this tier list is, how good are the buttons of the characters, and how accessible are they.
For example devil Jin and Nina have insane output if they are executed properly, but they have higher margin of error in comparison to most of the cast
Time to ki charge every Dragunov now 😈
This has to be one of the only tier lists I actually agree with. Very well thought-out.
Claudio is very easy on paper, but to see his full potential you need to have a strong fundamentals. I highly recommend Claudio for beginners since it will strengthen your fundamentals and you won't develop bad habits like flowcharting.
Strong fundamental for claudio lol stop the cap
@@Kaka-np8qshe's one of the most honest characters rn. He has very little bullshit, has a very short movelist so most people will know all his stuff. If you want to win with him in higher ranks, you can't depend on anything but fundamentals with him.
@@blue_the_duke most honest character : kaz jin steve lee asuka . Aint no way claudio is honest with all the bullshit he has
@@blue_the_duke claudio can be play by my little sister he didnt require strong fundamentals bro stop really
every character has flowcharts its only natural. Once they reach a certain point beginners will realize they'll need to have patience and stop mashing.
As a yoshi main since Tekken 7, I'm delighted that you put yoshi tekken 8 as super difficult character to use 😁
Lee combos are sooo hard. Especially b3, 3 pickups
No they’re not his mist cancels were made slightly easier in this game
Well, hard to disagree with this list. I have nearly 1k hours on Steve in TK7 and I was already doing better on Azucena after a week. . .
Honestly I've never stopped struggling on Steve ever since I started playing him, but now in TK8... Man.
I am very much ready to die on the hill that Steve is by far the most difficult character to play on all levels in TK8
Everything about Steve is hard. You just can't get away with anything. Right now I am reduced to d21~into stance cancel all day
and hope that will chip them enough to find a good heat smash whiff punish or counter hit.
As a fellow steve main, I salute you🫡because they murdered our boy in this one.
I like this more than TMM
Here we go, a tier list from one of the more credible Tekken players.
Every time anakin listed s character you see the dudes that main them be like "bro 'insert my main here' is way harder than youre saying" 😂😂😂
Took this Tekken to learn some characters I've stayed away from in past Tekken games namely Paul and Nina. Took to Paul pretty quickly, but Nina....learning Nina has kept me up at night.
I agree with Raven for the most part. His Heat mode is def one of the easiest to use as well with heat smash.
Back turn takes time to master and setup on experienced players
His combos I'd say are hard and easy but only hard on timings as his routes are usually the same
People saying asuka is easy gotta understand that doing combos in practice mode and using the character in an actual match are very diffrent things xb she got easy buttons, but shes not easy to use..
Very good Buffs Top5 Mains!
Music is bit too loud sir. Thanks for content ❤
Yoshimitsu: The Majority of your moves are so situational that for non pro, the practice mode is the only situation to use.
Big fan
I think King maybe has a place in top 5 easiest depending on what your goals are. You can easily get away with nothing WR 2+4s a simple combo off of u/f + 4 such as: u/f + 4, 2+4, WR 2+4 and using your b+3 and u/f+3+4 armored moves all the way up into the red ranks but as soon as you get to purple ranks it's gonna be much harder to win because you won't get raw WR 2+4 anymore because people at those ranks know how to break it, they're not going to fall for u/f+3+4, f, throw nearly as often and they're going to start actually punishing you for whiffed u/f + 4. He's definitely not easy if you wanna play against good players but he's definitely easy to beat a majority of players.
Thanks Anakin now I can cry and say dvj is pretty hard when I lose against my friends :DD.
1:14:15 That was too good 😆. I hope you`ll not going to play vs Tmm`s 2 bar zone lol
Lars hella needs his stances and you have to know how to set them up and use them to perfection. Know when to mix up and when to transition. Without his stances it's very hard for him to win. I'd say he's pretty hard.
Lars is not hard at all
@@dapperdan-dw5zl not to learn. Pretty hard to be good with it.
Damn. As a yoshi player, that felt good. Thanks man.
Nice to see a pro that understands the Ling main struggle! Her execution, stubby normals, weakness to keepout, still an issue - her gimmicks super strong to the point of high tier - sure! But does not remove the massive gamble involved if you go brainless with them/ don't understand your opponents
What controller are you using, mister? Any mods?
anakin podcast on deck after class ? lets go
I'd personally put hwoarang at pretty hard. Considering he's nerfed, just frame would rocket, and how difficult it is to play him at a higher lvl
Until Lei Wulong comes, Yoshi is the hardest one, and thank you for saying Hwoarang is difficult for the braindead players who doesn't learn his match up, until mashing to red ranks he is easy for spamming, enter blue ranks and then you have to know how to use his stances effectively and to read the opponent which is why he becomes really difficult to execute.
So lemme get this straight. U play Lei, hworang and yoshi?
Thank you for giving Asuka some respect. Her execution is low, but the higher you get the harder it is due to your tools being weak. Also dropping those combos is real lol.
Ty you’re not alone
I don’t mind Leo being in easy, but to say you don’t really need his stances is insane.
would love to play some friendlies with you man!
1st fighting game after played T3 as a kid. My first is Azucena, ez yes but after a while got bored of her moves. And i remember playing yoshi and Eddy in T3, lab yoshi for days. Been since my main now is him, fun troll lot of moves and tricks i love him.
From when was this vod? I want to see him play speedkicks for 2 hours
I play both kazuya and lee and this guy is completely right lee is hard but you can cheese with the guy lol I don’t know why Leroy is up there tho 😊
Thanks for educating the sheep on ling. Ppl calling her braindead is just a slap in the face.
Whats the song thats playing at the start ?
Hi, I'm a Byron main and I love my new EWG-, I mean qcb+1.
I main Yoshi and his difficulty is way overexaggerated lol. Been playing Kazuya and Devil Jin lately and they're 100x more difficult.
Exactly
Maybe from a technical standpoint yes, but the diffficulty of playing yoshi comes from playing him properly. You gotta utilize all his tools. There is a fine line between spamming random bullshit and being a 900IQ madman with Yoshi.
@leonaegis4973 you can 100% just casino roulette a few flowcharts to high blue ranks on yoshi. past that it's difficult. remember this is a ft3 setting where all you need to do is put the opponent into a blender and avoid the opponent's: yoshi is great at both
bro thinks he has mastered yoshi's kit after just a month. even the best in the world keeps finding new yoshi techs almost every week.
@@joinmeng I've been maining him since the beginning of T7. His execution is easy and it's not difficult to utilize his whole kit once you understand it. When much of your gameplan is confusing the opponent and making them guess, you're skipping the more difficult part of the game which is learning how to defend. He's a knowledge check character and a newcomer can easily make it to purple ranks with him without ever learning how to defend properly. He can be more difficult to play in the much higher ranks where people know the match up, but still I find Mishimas far more difficult.
You are the best ❤
I feel like king belongs in the top 5 bevauze while he does require some knowledge and execution his payoff is so high for such little practice
The only problem i see here is that the tier list doesn’t differentiate between: gameplan difficulty vs execution difficulty. Which is probably why there was so much pushback against the Leroy and Alisa placements.
The reason Leroy is difficult is different than why Bryan is difficult, and the tierlist does not indicate that.
And i picked Steve as my main... I am new to Tekken, the last one i played was tekken 3 😁
Def correct on the easy 5, good tier list for new players. I would say you ranked Reina too low, no one coming off a 8 hour workshift finna have the time or dedication needed to master her and get even above red ranks. Also I think claudio and lars harder than most give them credit for.
Nah Reina isn't that difficult
Brother, I'm not lying when I say this, just FF2, jab, hellsweep and Df2. You don't need electrics, you don't need master her stances, it's just like 5 buttons . Got to Fujin in a day with her, I promise you it's not that complicated
This just makes me understand that Tekken players bar of character difficulty is low. That game is harder than any character imo
Not really, but electric is a DP and ppl be saying it's too hard. Perfect electric is hard because of just frame timing. But electric is just DP and other games kinda demand that you be able to DP consistently
Can you elaborate on why you think dj is harder than kaz, like is it because its risker to go for hellsweeps since he doesnt have kazuyas ff2? Im a dj main so i wanna know more about the character.
01:40:57 - Now Timestamped!
@@TkAnakinoh thanks, i guess i missed that part of the video my bad.
@@TkAnakin Wouldn't Rage arts being alot more essential make Kazuya harder? Devil Jin has an easy 15f punish while Kazuya has to Ewgf to kill Rage art without heat
I'm a devil jin main and play most of the cast especially mishmas. Devil jin is very difficult to play at high level and requires a lot of skill from the player to make him work.
I still think dvj easier than kaz, disagree with anakin, if I see some dvj main use kaz in tournament I will agree. All kazuya streamers switching to dvj are doing better.
I actually see a ton of Bryan’s in red and I think the vast majority of them are in red.
Sad but true
i never play againts bryan so far in red rank, been there for 20+h
been stuck at Red since launch. Can attest to that.
Yep im one of em
Jumping on the trend I respect it
Hey alright
i love you jdcr
Saw a lot of kings till red rank…now they scarce…where my fellow king mains at, we know the character takes skill some skill at the end of the day
I skipped a lot but Yoshi seems strong in this game
Strong but not broken. Around A tier, but he he is probably hardest character to play, because one thing he had things easy in t7 was his combo. Now doing his combos is pretty dam hard and the character is well mildly said complicated.
I mean you didn't even look at the chart. How did you even notice Yoshi and not see the rest of the graph?
"Easiest ( recommended ) c...." I'll let you finish this because it's the minimal required effort. There are words beside the character pic too I guess.
@@jooyichen actually yoshi is on the top list of hardest to learn, not easiest. Anakin said its the hardest character in the game. He aint wrong tbh.
@@Stockfish1511yoshi is not the hardest character in the game bro cmon. unless ur kishin minimum ur getting several free launches a set with flash which is an inherently broken move. his bad movement is largely irrelevant until high level and he has knowledge checks all day
@@Stockfish1511 how come his neutral game seems to be buffed a lot. Also I never heard any one say his combos were hard, even so how is he harder than a character like Kazuya, lee or Bryan. I’m pretty sure he’s easier to play now than tekken 7
As a Yoshi player, his main weakness is his sub-par neutral game. His jab range is super stubby and his lows aren't that scary either so most high level players have a hard time closing out rounds with Yoshi
Sub-par neutral game and lacks spammable good moves unless in heat or in a stance. And if the opponent just blocks all day then Yoshi is forced to do risky shit like unlockable setups.
Hworsng is best mash character
When im losing i just spam kicks
I would say azucena and ling are the best mashers
I'd put Paul over law and king when it comes to ease of use
which is the music from the beginning?
I'd like to know as well, was a banger
Hideaway - TEKKEN 7 (2nd)
Tyvm, Yeah I saw the music transition, shoulda kept watching and kept my mouth shut smh
agree on Steve.. he is pretty weak right now.
Yoshi players either throw the book at you or play fundamental. Theres is almost no in between.
i love swe but he has definitely created a new wave of Alisa haters due to him always calling her easy and braindead lol.
Ling being more difficult than Lee, Bryan and Kazuya is absurd
True
1:05:10 how come kazuya's ewgf is easier to do? Like execution wise? I figured it's the same exact input like the other Mishimas (except for his i13 ewgf)
He has a shortcut which allows you to do ewgf with just f df2. Not only is it easier but it is 1 frame (up to 2 frames with perfect 13f) faster
@@TkAnakinmakes sense, i just find it a little bit interesting because so far everyone has been saying dvj is easy and very strong while Kaz is both hard and weak/honest meta wise so I didn't expect it, great character analysis btw
@@TkAnakin only Reina has the shortcut and it’s for wgf no ewgf. In heat however each Mishima automatically gets electrics regardless of execution. But even then, only Reina has the shortcut. That being said, Kazuya is definitely bottom 5 if not THE hardest because you literally can’t cheese and have to work way harder than everyone else. Not biased because I’m a Bryan main
I find this very confusing 😢
@@n9nedots It's just that Kaz is very strong on paper with both safe offensive options like ff3, ff2 heat engager and then stuff like d1+2 counterhit launcher ect... But as a devil jin main I do agree Kaz mains do need to work harder, like the need of heavy execution like punishing -15 (-14 occasionally as well) stuff with ewgf in blockstun since he lacks a i15 launcher and so on
I have yet to lose to a leeroy in ranked. thats not because i am great or anything, this is my first tekken. I definitely feel he must be difficult to play and thats why I have had success.
I think Lees difficulty got a lot easier since b33 is +4 and unstepable. His tools once you know what the word keep out means carries people a lot. His wall combo with HM 4 isn’t hard to get used to. You can just see it and know how to do it instantly without labbing and that’s crazy since it’s a timing thing. The timing just isn’t hard and you’ll see most people pull it off than drop it. If you wanna say he’s still difficult to play and get value out of, I’ll say ok but he’s definitely gotten a lot easier. There’s just definitely harder characters now. You’ll be able to get wins easier with him than others.
Yeah, lee is overrated in terms of honesty. Dude crushes lots of stuff.
The indisputable best Lee player in the world says he's harder than his Tekken 7 version, I'll take his word over some random in the comments.
@@idontwant2beasoldiermama241 do wtf you wanna do 😂 you can debate with your own experience playing Lee but I don’t care if you want to fanboy gtfo of here
@@idontwant2beasoldiermama241 do wtf you wanna do 😂 if you wanna debate with your own Lee experience go ahead but idc if you wanna fanboy get outta here with that
@@Lieutenant_john_
I did wtf I wanted indeed
All these baby Dragunovs nowadays. Yall couldn't hang wit me in Dark Resurrection
Kazuya has the worst win rate in the game Mighty Ruler and above. To use his tools, you need to have both great execution and extensive matchup knowledge. Playing with Kazuya is literally handicapping yourself compared to playing any other character in the game. This isn't my opinion; it's borne out in the statistics.
Most players play for fun, who cares who to play for?
@@d.saunders2506 You are right. I do have a much easier time playing DJ. And so do TMM, Duelist, PGF, etc. I've been a Kazuya player for years, and he's my favorite Mishima so that's why i like to play him lol.
Steve needs buffs most unnecessary nerfs
not at all
FInally someone who recognizes how difficult Xiao is, instead of the usual "she is braindead lol" rhetoric we hear from certain other people. I'm a Tekken noob trying to learn her, and she is TOUGH to master.
trying to learn her too, getting bored with azu and jun, wish me luck
@@bagasagung1097GL and welcome to Ling Nation my friend .
Yeah especially when everything you do is a 50/50 for both people, i do agree that Hypnotist is kinda OP tho, but hehe ill take it
Steve is hard because you need good execution, good knowledge, willing to be patient, capable in changing playstyle on the fly, and the most difficult thing I feel is how hard it is to consistently play. You have to almost always cancel ducking, you have to going into stances to duck faster which you may need to cancel, and the amount of opposite direction inputs for so many things leads to catastrophic mistakes that could lose you the round. Tekken 8 is testing my will to play Steve for sure.
A lot of the legacy characters are now much easier like Lee, Jin and Hworang.
Alisa is only easy at lower ranks lol. Once your opponent knows how to defend properly she becomes very difficult because you need to take big risks. Try using slow keep out tools when someone is turtling you and you have a life deficit.
I'm a purple rank Bryan main, and i'm struggling with red ranks Alisa, its just unfair movement and evasion
@blackd3213 abuse back 1 with bryan. Also if you see d3 coming at close range, throw out jabs. You can often float her. Try your best to step her running options. Once you get the life lead, backdash for your life. Just dont back yourself up against a wall. She's so weak to turtles. You got this!
True. I think most people that say Alisa is easy are people that get knowledge checked into oblivion and don’t bother to learn the matchup. New player with Alisa and I had a pretty easy time until red ranks. Now that I’m playing people more familiar with how to defend her, I’m getting blown up more often. She’s one of the hardest characters to get round comebacks with and can get clipped when trying to be the aggressor. She has a lot of great tools but you have to be on point with your spacing and timing cuz she can get floated out of a lot of stuff. Nice to see Anakin give her some respect instead of the usual “just spam chainsaws” drivel that most of the online community spouts.
@danielcarbaugh4354 yeah man. I get frustrated with people like MainManSwe because he talks so much shit about her and he's a good player with a decent following. Like don't get me wrong, she's cheesy as fuck with chainsaws at the wall. But I've been playing Alisa since she was announced in T6BR and rn I'm stuck at fujin with her bc like you said, if your opponent has even decent defense the risks she takes are absurd. It gets tiring hearing people complain about her. I hate when people think I'm a scrub when shes actually really tough to use when you need to make a comeback...
When I learn how to play her, I feel like she is kinda tricky, or is it because I tried to play 4 characters at the same time as a noob? XD
1:46:10 stating facts on yoshimitsu.
HayashidaGang!
I dont usually lose to feng but i know him. I think just most feng players are just old as dirt and know more.
Yoshi more difficult than kazuya? That take reminds me of lil majin saying t7's launch leroy was balanced..
Some of the stuff he said just wrong.
As a Yoshi main in high purple, I would say moving Yoshi a tier up. Simply because, he can steal rounds from beginner on better than most of the cast. Definitely difficult to learn, but not harder than steve or the Mishimas.
1. Steve
2. Kazuya
3. DJ
4. Zafina
5. Reina
are my top 5 hardest to win with characters for beginners.
I feel like I’m biased because I super respect high level Yoshimitsu players but I always feel like he’s the absolute hardest in the game to understand inside and out 😅
@@TkAnakinIf you don’t mind me asking, who are some of the NA yoshi’s that make you think the hardest? I would love to watch their content and learn as much as possible.
As a Reina player I think you can get a lot of mileage out of her strong moveset at least enough to get out of red ranks. But I did notice as I started fighting blue players I needed to start incorporating more Mishima fundamentals and movement to find success.
@@DjGaiden Some good NA Yoshis I know of are Ukiyo, Mazen, Jermanji and JustFrameJames.
@@_winn0w ty
Holy 1.5 hours… nice give the info if we want it but we can skip around if not
This is fair
How did King go from being one of the more difficult characters in T7 to the easiest in T8 I don't get it?
He was easy as piss in T7, too. They reduced his skill floor every game after T6
Since its a universal tierlist I'd agree, but in general as a noob I feel like all of the mishimas (minus Jin maybe?) should go to closer the bottom to be more in the "can be harder" category since to play them very well you need a lot of execution on wavedash, dash, ss electrics/cancels into other options and if you accidentally misinput your electric you can just lose the round and its surprising how often if happens even to very good players where they get a D2 trying to pewgf or they miss the 2nd electric in a combo on Kaz/Reina for example.
Then again I can see why they are easier than expected, especially Reina, Jin they both have a lot of tools to win a round even without executing a single electric or hell sweep while DJ and Kazuya relies heavily being able to use these moves.
Though its weird because i always found DJ electrics less pressure since using the shortcut makes it easier to mess it up by a frame where you dont even get a god fist just fumble your whole execution.
The only execution you need to win with DJ early on is dash dp (aka dash up hellsweep)
@@HawooAwoo Early on yes but i was talking more so about intermediate - higher level play.
Early on you can cheese with any character or even special style people to death so I wouldn't really take it as a point of reference too much.
I remember seeing some newbie guy stream who at yellow ranks kept getting destroyed by a law who spammed that jump kick extension and snake edge. He did nothing else just those two and won the game because the other guy didnt know how to block punish snake properly even when he blocked and that he can duck the kick extension on block for a launch.
Just play as the character you like
Yoshi is very dumbed down in terms of having to be very technical which was was his flaw in previous games. T8 can just play very simple or even hella aggressive. Flash is strong af and his wall combos do so much damage on top of good okie mix/pressure. Id say hes not that easy
Idk I’ve never seen Kazuya win tournaments whereas Devil Jin has won many 🧐
For newbie kazuya and devil are both not that easy tier as for reina at high level she ask skill but easy red rank with no skill as all she is easier at low/mid level than Jin or law.
I honestly don’t get how King is easy, get to the Ruler ranks and try use King, I guarantee you’ll be folded😂
He’s easy to use in terms of inputs