If you guys can figure out a four season model I am all over this. Hell I might be all over it anyways! Finally someone that is making a real trailer that is quality. The northern Indiana staple and glue method is great for budget....but some of us will pay for quality!
Facts were given this day. I am thankful I bought a 2019 28' open range lite. This thing has been without issues... 30k+ miles on it on very rough roads, just have been great. Yes, it even has a lippert frame. However, it's full on i beams rather than top bottom and center welded. All one piece formed. It's amazing people don't even look at the frames when they buy them. I would pay for a new one and I hope these guys go full on 4 season as well. I don't need a toy hauler, but a 28' one or even a 32 with an office would be amazing.
Multiple UA-cam videos recently surfacing showing poor quality control of ATC trailers. Wheel studs stripped upon arrival, wiring problems, water leaks, doors not closing properly, unfinished edges, and so on. I had an appointment with a dealer to order a 3619, but holding off for now until quality control improves.
Great video I would to ask is ther a place to buy some Roof Aluminum to replace what I have I have a 2005 cargo trailer for work I have to redo or repair the Roof Every Year
I suffer from multiple chemical allergies. I literally can NOT breathe inside of a "normal" RV from all of the fumes and off-gassing. I am hoping this type of build may be my answer for the issue. Look forward to investigating your product line!
ATC just released their game changer 5th wheel, for $180,000. I suppose we can have crap steel wood, or go with the caviar. I miss livin lite, they made all aluminum trailers same way but sold for $30k for the bumper pull and 60k for the 5th wheel.
I wish they would show who the finish person is that can't seem to drive a fastener in straight or without stripping it. These are nice trailers but the finish trim really leaves something to be desired because its not a matter of money to do it right.
At this time we aren't able to do that level of customization. If you are interested in that kind of floor plan we suggest you check out our Quest line.
It's aluminum, which unfortunately has one of the greatest thermal-transfer rates of any metal. Better than Airstream manages to, you need to isolate all of the aluminum surfaces from any exposure to the interior and then add whatever insulation you want over the top of that. Not easy or cheap to do right and stay comfortable in any weather extremes.
The walls have a solid foam core insulation about 1 inch thick inside the walls. The roof is insulated with fiberglass batt between the ceiling and top, which typically won't ever get wet because the roof is an aluminum sheet (but there are air vents-A/C unit-solar panel and electrical penetrations. Lap sealant must be maintained at those points). Other manufacturers use EPDM rubber roofs have more issues and require great diligence with inspection/maintenance. ATC can be 3 season, there is a water line and tank heater option, but the underbelly is not enclosed as a true 4 season trailer would be. The 3 season option is only to prevent freezing on cold nights when temps dip down to freezing and below, not for continuous freezing weather. And the trailer will get cold, it's a toy hauler, and the windows are single pane.
We have an All Weather Protection Package that includes an underbelly with a radiant barrier, 12V heat pads on the tanks and water lines, and heating and cooling
@@aluminumtoyhauler Good day, to clarify the meaning of my previous question... I have been researching into buying my first motor home for the last two yrs.... searching for a brand that can stand up to off road boondocking for a big family of 10 to sleep, which wont fall apart. I have watched and read numerous comments RE ATC saying "the interior living space is not for cold weather" but no one is defining the cold weather temp. I would like to know the following a) which dealers are selling the bigger top of the line ATC 5th wheels and travel trailers, with the full winter package already installed, which also increases interior comfort. b) what has been done or what is available from the factory to build in systems that will keep the interior better insulated.. IE thicker side walls, dual pain windows etc. I ask these questions because ATC is clearly one of the strongest if not the strongest non custom mass produced brands.... but for those of us who may be seriously interested in ATC as a purchase, and being confronted with this interior comfort situation....ATC needs to present video details on how a) interior comfort is not an issue, and prove it! b) how the interior can be built on order so that this is not an issue. Its frustrating as a consumer to not find what one wants to spend money on, without having to pay one million dollars for a custom build. I would like to see a 4 season ATC....how can one achieve this with a unit that is already built and at a dealership? ALSO... for those of us who want to go off road....and want greater ground clearance, and more rugged suspension wheels etc...like the expedition camper type trailers..... what is the solution? Thanks
I've heard aluminum should be maintained in a controlled temperature environment . Aluminum needs to be acclimated to ambient temperature then welded. If cold aluminum is welded it's not if it will crack it is when will it crack? Is this true?
Aluminum welds seems to Crack all the time. Worked for fleet and Aluminum trailers had to inspect every week and usually had to fix cracked welds. Transport company so used daily unlike normal home usually. Steel trailers is way to go.
3:51 - he calls out exactly what is wrong with the existing manufacturers but 4 years ago. If people who bought new after covid started, maybe should have listened to this guy.
The frames are great. But you guys are charging $75K to $120K for very primitive interiors and I feel like you really aren't providing a lot of value for the money. The 5th wheel models waste so much interior space. There's no options for hooks to hang things, the cabinets don't use all the free space towards the front of the trailer, the kitchen layout lacks layout options so you can't get up to 15.5' feet of garage space with the 36' hauler, you have to go up to the giant 40', there's no venting for a combo washer/dryer in the bedroom, the bedroom doesn't utilize space well either, not enough cabinets, and then of course - the elephant in the room - for $100K+ there's no slides anywhere. Now, frankly, I don't mind that there's no slides - they break and aren't the point of these trailers. But given the price for these, they should be a lot less $$$ given the purpose they serve and the interior amenities provided. The electronics are also behind the times, the inverter is cheap and only 1000 watts, the stock batteries are not lithium. What else? Insulation - the floor is not insulated at all, and the spray on foam underneath is an afterthought. I think these trailers should be about 35-40% lower price for what is offered. Also, the roof can't be walked on, it's just a thin foil on top that can be dented easily if walked on for any reason. Given the GVWR, it would be nice if there was an option for a legit walk-on roof. Of all the interior layouts, I think the 29' is most practical, but it's a bumper pull - which is another disappointment. I wish the 29' front bedroom model was offered as gooseneck.
So don't buy one. They will outlast anything on the market by decades. They are practical, easy to clean and strong. Dress it up if you want. Frankly if you need more storage space you are bringing way to much stuff. They also have far more cargo capacity. And the caper is the resale value. You aren't loosing 70+ percent in five years.
@@THEjasonTDI right, from what I can tell, these are the best build quality out there.. I have a high end Thor Tuscany And I'm extremely disappointed with the quality. If I ever even buy another RV. It may be an ATC. But he is right. The price is high for what you get. ATC could absolutely take over the entire RV market if they kept up high quality and dropped the price in half. They would no longer have any competition whatsoever !
@@billfrench3277 But if they cut the price in half, they'd be losing money and would go out of business! I did a lot of research on Airstreams. You definitely pay for that brand, but there is no doubt they're spending more to make a product that will last decades. Snd they have decades of proof. I think ATC is the same. I'm leaning strongly toward a smaller custom one.
All the features you asked for are here, including washer dryer. But be prepared to pay up! Cozyness is up to you. ua-cam.com/video/uTWY-7PbuVM/v-deo.html
Nice hearing that ATC can build a perfectly solid and tight to last long!
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Thank You
If you guys can figure out a four season model I am all over this. Hell I might be all over it anyways! Finally someone that is making a real trailer that is quality. The northern Indiana staple and glue method is great for budget....but some of us will pay for quality!
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Facts were given this day. I am thankful I bought a 2019 28' open range lite. This thing has been without issues... 30k+ miles on it on very rough roads, just have been great. Yes, it even has a lippert frame. However, it's full on i beams rather than top bottom and center welded. All one piece formed. It's amazing people don't even look at the frames when they buy them. I would pay for a new one and I hope these guys go full on 4 season as well. I don't need a toy hauler, but a 28' one or even a 32 with an office would be amazing.
Multiple UA-cam videos recently surfacing showing poor quality control of ATC trailers. Wheel studs stripped upon arrival, wiring problems, water leaks, doors not closing properly, unfinished edges, and so on. I had an appointment with a dealer to order a 3619, but holding off for now until quality control improves.
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Very nice 👍👍
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I'm loving the ingenuity. Wonder if your designers could design and build out my boat interior.
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I think it would be cool if you had an independent suspension system like what black series does. May not work out for toy hauling though.
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Very cool guys, can you show us more on the walls and roof too?
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Wondering if you need angles struts from the font to back to account for flex when pulling down the road?
Great video
I would to ask is ther a place to buy some Roof Aluminum to replace what I have
I have a 2005 cargo trailer for work I have to redo or repair the Roof Every Year
Are the tanks reinforced into the frame? Can you tow with the water tanks full?
I suffer from multiple chemical allergies. I literally can NOT breathe inside of a "normal" RV from all of the fumes and off-gassing. I am hoping this type of build may be my answer for the issue. Look forward to investigating your product line!
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What do you do when the steel axels and aluminum main frame touch “different metals”
Electrolisis?
Who do we speak to about a few of our trailers filling up with water in the walls? Please let me know if you can warranty this issue.
About to pull the trigger on a custom 40’ gooseneck. Can I skip the dealer middle man?
ATC just released their game changer 5th wheel, for $180,000. I suppose we can have crap steel wood, or go with the caviar. I miss livin lite, they made all aluminum trailers same way but sold for $30k for the bumper pull and 60k for the 5th wheel.
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I know this is a tagalong, but why no axle boxes on the fifth wheels?
Crap, there’s $100k worth of weld table under one trailer.
I wish they would show who the finish person is that can't seem to drive a fastener in straight or without stripping it. These are nice trailers but the finish trim really leaves something to be desired because its not a matter of money to do it right.
Is the floorplan customizable? Can you make one with a fully enclosed garage and a living quarter separated by a bathroom in between?
At this time we aren't able to do that level of customization. If you are interested in that kind of floor plan we suggest you check out our Quest line.
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We call your Handy dandy welding table a "jig".
How noisy is it when trying to sleep with rain coming down on an aluminum roof?
They are insulated and then a layer of Azdel. They are no louder than any other trailer.
Does ATC have quality control checks?
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Where can someone in NC buy one of your trailers?
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what is the approach to insulating the unit?
It's aluminum, which unfortunately has one of the greatest thermal-transfer rates of any metal. Better than Airstream manages to, you need to isolate all of the aluminum surfaces from any exposure to the interior and then add whatever insulation you want over the top of that. Not easy or cheap to do right and stay comfortable in any weather extremes.
The walls have a solid foam core insulation about 1 inch thick inside the walls. The roof is insulated with fiberglass batt between the ceiling and top, which typically won't ever get wet because the roof is an aluminum sheet (but there are air vents-A/C unit-solar panel and electrical penetrations. Lap sealant must be maintained at those points). Other manufacturers use EPDM rubber roofs have more issues and require great diligence with inspection/maintenance.
ATC can be 3 season, there is a water line and tank heater option, but the underbelly is not enclosed as a true 4 season trailer would be. The 3 season option is only to prevent freezing on cold nights when temps dip down to freezing and below, not for continuous freezing weather. And the trailer will get cold, it's a toy hauler, and the windows are single pane.
colder weather insulation process?
We have an All Weather Protection Package that includes an underbelly with a radiant barrier, 12V heat pads on the tanks and water lines, and heating and cooling
@@aluminumtoyhauler Good day, to clarify the meaning of my previous question... I have been researching into buying my first motor home for the last two yrs.... searching for a brand that can stand up to off road boondocking for a big family of 10 to sleep, which wont fall apart. I have watched and read numerous comments RE ATC saying "the interior living space is not for cold weather" but no one is defining the cold weather temp. I would like to know the following a) which dealers are selling the bigger top of the line ATC 5th wheels and travel trailers, with the full winter package already installed, which also increases interior comfort. b) what has been done or what is available from the factory to build in systems that will keep the interior better insulated.. IE thicker side walls, dual pain windows etc. I ask these questions because ATC is clearly one of the strongest if not the strongest non custom mass produced brands.... but for those of us who may be seriously interested in ATC as a purchase, and being confronted with this interior comfort situation....ATC needs to present video details on how a) interior comfort is not an issue, and prove it! b) how the interior can be built on order so that this is not an issue. Its frustrating as a consumer to not find what one wants to spend money on, without having to pay one million dollars for a custom build. I would like to see a 4 season ATC....how can one achieve this with a unit that is already built and at a dealership? ALSO... for those of us who want to go off road....and want greater ground clearance, and more rugged suspension wheels etc...like the expedition camper type trailers..... what is the solution? Thanks
I've heard aluminum should be maintained in a controlled temperature environment . Aluminum needs to be acclimated to ambient temperature then welded. If cold aluminum is welded it's not if it will crack it is when will it crack? Is this true?
Aluminum welds seems to Crack all the time. Worked for fleet and Aluminum trailers had to inspect every week and usually had to fix cracked welds. Transport company so used daily unlike normal home usually. Steel trailers is way to go.
3:51 - he calls out exactly what is wrong with the existing manufacturers but 4 years ago. If people who bought new after covid started, maybe should have listened to this guy.
One day I should be the owner of one of these
The frames are great. But you guys are charging $75K to $120K for very primitive interiors and I feel like you really aren't providing a lot of value for the money. The 5th wheel models waste so much interior space. There's no options for hooks to hang things, the cabinets don't use all the free space towards the front of the trailer, the kitchen layout lacks layout options so you can't get up to 15.5' feet of garage space with the 36' hauler, you have to go up to the giant 40', there's no venting for a combo washer/dryer in the bedroom, the bedroom doesn't utilize space well either, not enough cabinets, and then of course - the elephant in the room - for $100K+ there's no slides anywhere. Now, frankly, I don't mind that there's no slides - they break and aren't the point of these trailers. But given the price for these, they should be a lot less $$$ given the purpose they serve and the interior amenities provided. The electronics are also behind the times, the inverter is cheap and only 1000 watts, the stock batteries are not lithium. What else? Insulation - the floor is not insulated at all, and the spray on foam underneath is an afterthought. I think these trailers should be about 35-40% lower price for what is offered. Also, the roof can't be walked on, it's just a thin foil on top that can be dented easily if walked on for any reason. Given the GVWR, it would be nice if there was an option for a legit walk-on roof. Of all the interior layouts, I think the 29' is most practical, but it's a bumper pull - which is another disappointment. I wish the 29' front bedroom model was offered as gooseneck.
So don't buy one. They will outlast anything on the market by decades. They are practical, easy to clean and strong. Dress it up if you want. Frankly if you need more storage space you are bringing way to much stuff. They also have far more cargo capacity. And the caper is the resale value. You aren't loosing 70+ percent in five years.
@@THEjasonTDI right, from what I can tell, these are the best build quality out there.. I have a high end Thor Tuscany And I'm extremely disappointed with the quality. If I ever even buy another RV. It may be an ATC. But he is right. The price is high for what you get. ATC could absolutely take over the entire RV market if they kept up high quality and dropped the price in half. They would no longer have any competition whatsoever !
@@billfrench3277 But if they cut the price in half, they'd be losing money and would go out of business! I did a lot of research on Airstreams. You definitely pay for that brand, but there is no doubt they're spending more to make a product that will last decades. Snd they have decades of proof. I think ATC is the same. I'm leaning strongly toward a smaller custom one.
All the features you asked for are here, including washer dryer. But be prepared to pay up! Cozyness is up to you. ua-cam.com/video/uTWY-7PbuVM/v-deo.html
@@NewTrip_NewAdventure paper thin? LOL 😂. Keep guessing.