Rifle - How To Install A Muzzle Device | Quick and Easy Steps
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Define Muzzle Brake:
A muzzle brake or recoil compensator is a device connected to, or a feature integral to the construction of, the muzzle or barrel of a firearm or cannon that is intended to redirect a portion of propellant gases to counter recoil and unwanted muzzle rise.[1] Barrels with an integral muzzle brake are often said to be ported. The concept of a muzzle brake was first introduced for artillery and was a common feature on many anti-tank guns, especially those mounted on tanks, in order to reduce the area needed to take up the strokes of recoil and kickback. They have been used in various forms for rifles and pistols to help control recoil and the rising of the barrel that normally occurs after firing. They are used on pistols for practical pistol competitions, and are usually called compensators in this context.[2]
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I've said before... I wish I wouldn't have waited so long to buy my first suppressor.... but I'm glad I waited until dead air came around. Thanks Mike
I met Mike at SilencerShop in Austin few years ago .I was there to get my first suppressor he met me at the door asked what my suppressor use was for I said hog hunting he let me look at his rifle and take sandman s on and off I liked it he hollered back to guys in back of SilencerShop “Get this man a sandman S.”
Nice guy and a great salesman same for SilencerShop. I just wish other businesses were run like these two.
You rock! we really appreciate your support and thanks for sharing that story! We will relay it to Mike too.
@@DeadAirSilencers My only gripe with DeadAir is that the shims that come with the muzzle devices are HUGE in outside diameter! It looked terrible.I had to buy SureFire shims because they have a smaller outside diameter…. That’s all… lol
Checking bore alignment is one key step that all other videos I've watched on UA-cam omit.
That is because there is debate on whether that step is really necessary.
Unless cross threaded why wouldn't it be aligned naturally?@@ecobasetech4558
Pappas is A ROCK STAR!
simple but dead-on video on the subject matter. good job.
Not as sultry as James Earl Jones but I could listen to Mike tell stories or give a talk about whatever all afternoon.
Choosing dead air for my first can. Can't wait.
Regarding torque with crows foot wrenches: Do the easy no brain thing. Put the crows foot on at a 90 degree angle to the torque wrench handle. This results in the torque wrench that outputs the correct torque within the accuracy range of the wrench. No math, no website, easy peasy. This works with crows foot wrenches, and similar provided they do not stick out too far and you are using a normal torque wrench. If you need to be using super precise wrenches and torque values its not ok (Ie, don't use this on your home fusion reactor, world domination device, or towel rack). In this case, most torque wrenches have a 3-5% accuracy range, so the difference in output with the above technique winds up in this area anyway, not a big deal and reading this post is more difficult than following its advice.
TL/DR: I gave a tip to make using the torque wrench easier. Yes, this is TLDR trolling, enjoy.
100% life saving hack
Where can I find the torque wrench adapter you used on the flash hider?
Mike, this may have seemed like a simple request but I really appreciate it. I purchased my first can in November so I was curious on the process including the alignment rod process (even though it wasn’t rocket science). I’d be interested in seeing an ebrake install on a sandman as another video. Thanks again guys for filming my request
Wait a minute, where the hell do we get that crazy device to tighten the flash hider?
This
Here you are good sir:
ADVANCED ARMAMENT CORP BLACKOUT FLASH HIDER INSTALLATION TOOL BLACK
grabagun.com/advanced-armament-corp-armament-corp-3.html
Are you talking about the Snap On torque wrench?
@@salsalvio821 no the crows foot that goes in between the forks on the flash hider. It attaches to the torque wrench.
Crows foot can be found on Amazon, HD, lowes, etc.
Why do the shims that come with DA devices have such oversided diameter? the OD is wider than the wrench flats. Just a complaint, great video and love my sandman!
It's true. The gemtech shims are better. Sadly.
I use the Precision Armament single shim kits.
@@Acesn8sYamaha Yep, i use the precision ones as well
Roger that! can you hit us up at info@deadairsilencers.com ???
The ID on the 5/8 shims is a bit of a pain to deal with too. On my bergara H14 barrel the ID of the shims was barely small enough to catch the shoulder of the threads. I dont know if it matters but I had a hell of a time trying to keep the shim stack centered on the barrel.
I dont remember if this was an issue on my 556 since it has a flared out shoulder the same diameter as the shims.
The hardest part is timing a muzzle brake and you just skipped that part lol
Great info, appreciate you guys putting these out. What is the torque setting you recommend for installing the muzzle device? Any increase if you don't use a thread locker? An idea for a future video is how to remove a stuck silencer with the key-mo attachment plus tips on how to avoid that problem.
Good question..we will ask mike and get back to you!
Dead Air Silencers any update?
@@seanrichard3098 waiting to hear as well
@@DeadAirSilencers Any update for the people?
Doesn't seem like they care to answer! The note with that question got round filed!
Man I can’t wait til you guys have more E-Brakes in stock for the Nomad. I have several of your cans and muzzle devices and absolutely love them.
hahaha I love how "fuck it, send it dude" Mike Pappas is in this video
No shims came with my muzzle device what the heck
What's the best way to hold a bolt action barrel to install a muzzle break?
Alignment rod necessary? Any way to check concentricity without alignment rod?
We always recommend checking with alignment rods, they are a valuable tool. Also check out our video on alignment and concentricity.
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Where did you get the tool for the flash hider? To torque it, the part that went inside it? Thanks
AAC flashhider tool
The clamp?
Dead Air Silencers the part that goes on the torque wrench to torque the flash hider.
Hu Morris thanks man
Deadair is one who told me on fb lol
Some kind of interface? is there one for installing the DA muzzle brake? Mike you're a Mechanical Genius but for us dummy's please specify ..thanks
Ok, how do you do it with out the AAC tool?
Anyone know the specs on the crow’s foot?
As someone who is brand new to long range shooting, I just got one of these muzzle mitigation/breaks and I was wondering if I put the sound redirection sleeve over it and this answered that :D and it answered why mine wasn't sitting the right way, the little grooves or bevels were facing up and not out and that was because I didn't know to go ahead and use a tool to tighten it down more, I just screwed it on by hand and was afraid of over tightening but I'm not taking it off once I do because this is my only rifle for long range shooting but thanks for this easy to understand quick information!! I just got my threads in from Infinite Solutions and wasn't sure how to actually attach it to my rifle lol
I purchased two of your DEAD AIR Silencers can you add a video on how to installed these silencers? thanks
Righty tightly lefty loosey
haha yes
What is the recommended torque? Or where do I find that info?
It depends on the specific device being installed.
I just timed and torqued a DA muzzle brake. The includes directions suggest 25-35 ft/lbs. I did 35# and called it a day.
You're my hero dude...
So to be clear, if it's torqued properly there is NO NEED for rockset or any other type of thread locker??
that's right. I think you will want to make sure it is still torqued properly after hundreds of rounds down the pipe, but really no need to use rockset etc. unless you never, ever want to check it again. I'd rather be able to change by muzzle devices easily, though.
Does Bigfoot time his flash hiders?
haha thats a good question.
Does this process change for a bolt rifle that is just now being threaded? Can I time a Flash Hider to my Tikka Whitetail bolt in .270 caliber? It will use the 9/16" x 24RH thread.
This method applies to any applicable barrel. A gas gun vs a bolt gun makes zero difference.
I just timed and torqued a Dead Air muzzle brake to 35# on my Ruger American Ranch bolt gun literally an hour ago. I also don't use any sort of liquid thread lock type adhesive.
Proper torque is your friend.
If you don't have the proper tools, STOP, until you do.
@@The10thManRules I do have the proper tools and have done many muzzle devices before. The reason for the question is I have a Nomad 30 and use the Keymo QD mount. I received some info from Dead Air CS that I could not time the device. I did not agree with that and linked this video. But I don't know everything so reached out to Dead Air again and got a completely different response. Information stated that the brake seats on the inside shoulder and not the rear shoulder which made no sense, shims cannot be used which again made no sense. My last rifle I timed the brake with shims, then removed those and mic'd them. Then I machined a single stainless shim and used that in place of the many thin ones. I can control OD that way as well. I always want my brakes timed so the Nomad has the same orientation on every rifle I switch between. Just did not make sense that I couldn't treat a flash hider and muzzle brake the same when this video says I can. Thanks.
Where can I get shims mine didn’t include and even tho the instructions say to use them
Same for me. But you can buy shim kits from pretty much any 2A retailer.
Just installed 4 of these flash hiders on all of my rifles . Now just gotta wait for those stamps to come back .
Did you time your flash hiders?
I have a 5.56 Odin works pencil barre and no shims came with my flash hider. Where do I get the shins that will fit flush with the outer diameter of the barrel?
I have two sandman flash hiders and neither of them came with shims....
You don’t “need” to time a flash hider. I use shims on my flash hiders for the simple purpose of getting it aligned to where the notch on my sandman is 12oclock when I go to mount it. Just a quick, easy way to make sure I’m always going to lock in immediately with no fumbling around.
put your crows foot at 90* and it will give you a true torque
Great info!! Thanks guys.
yes!!
@@DeadAirSilencers what info is he referring to???
What alignment rod do you use?
Torque wrench required tool. Proceeds to use tool without telling you the torque value.
I have the same revolution as you do and I’m awaiting my nomad to be freed. I want to know how did you take your muzzle break off? Was it pinned? Mine has a hole for it but it will be my first rifle to take it off can you give me insight on this so I can add the keymo muzzle break
None of my dead air flash hiders came with shims. Were they supposed to?
Do you have plans on making a face mounted muzzle device?
Such a cool guy 😎
When installing the flash hider can I use a crows foot with the tourqe wrench? I can’t find the thing that fits on the wrench that goes into the flash hider?
Is there a reason why you dont make a 556 specific can? Are the results so similar to .308 cans that it's not worth it?
So he’s saying u dont have to use the shims if u dont want too?
Whats the back ground music
how did you mount your upper on this vice?
Hey guys, where can I get that 3 prong tool this is shown to tighten the flash hider?
Please use Rocksett! I love Mr Pappas but as a Gunsmith who works at a range I see way to many muzzle devices loosen up while shooting their suppressed rifles. Most people do NOT have the proper tq wrench required to seat threads (especially a Snap On ;-). If you use Rocksett and snug it on tight the Rocksett takes the lack of exact tq specs out of the failure scenario (in most cases). Lastly, this only applies to clean threads. Rocksett wont work over dirty, fouled, or greasy threads. If any of this is unclear go see your local certified Gunsmith and pay him/her to do it for you. It shouldnt cost more than $20
Just my two pennies. As Pappas says "To each their own". ;-)
Dead Air Muzzles devices are some of the best in the industry. Ive never seen one out of spec or fail. Ive installed 100's!
Thanks for sharing that advice!
I used Rocksett and a small amount of torque on my FH bc I couldn't time it at 12 oclock like I wanted with a high amount of torque using all kinds of combos with the included shims. So far it has held.
Dead Air Silencers My pleasure! Thanks for making awesome suppressors and accessories
Question for you! I removed a muzzle device where I had used Rocksett before, and I've tried to clean the threads 100% but I can't get every single bit of it clean. I have a copper wire brush and various cleaning fluids, and alcohol. Any advice?
dcbrot Try using a pick in the threads. If you dont have a metal pick then just do the best you can with the wire brush. Having a little rocksett left on the threads wont hurt anything. Dont overthink it too much bud.
Typically when a suppressor is used the "point of impact" well shift. When installing the muzzle device, what is the process of "timing" the device so when
you're using the suppressor the "p o i" well be the same as when shooting un-suppressed ?
It won't be the same, regardless of timing. Many times it is very repeatable though. So you will know what your different holds are or how many clicks to adjust. This is why most guys dedicate a can to a specific platform.
No Shims came with 2/3 of my muzzle devices from dead air....
Mine either
Mine came from SilencerShop and they said that the flash hider won’t come with them but they are mentioned in the instructions
They said the brakes do need them to be be timed so I’m sure the included brake with the suppressor will have them.
@@NTurman the flash hider for my 308 came with them, but the 2 for my 556 didn't.
@@NTurman I got two breaks with my sandman-S's and neither came with shims. I Also bought from silencer shop.
How many ft pounds?
depends on your preference.
Prefer it stays put.
I usually go around 20-25 and rocksett. Different manufacturers have a recommended torque depending on the device and the particular thread pitch. That being said I’ve never seen a recommendation on dead air devices. So I just go with it. If I can get away with only 20lbs with rocksett and never have an issue with it coming undone , I’m good.
What do you use to hold the upper? Receiver block?
Bev Block works great
We will ask mike and get back to ya
do you need to use a crush washer ?
No! Absolutely not.
Crush washers are for muzzle devices that DO NOT support a suppressor.
Erase that idea from your cranial computer.
When I think of using a crush washer, it's for a basic A2 flashhider.
Any advice from Honey Bun is money
haha facts
Can i use the keymicro adapter on a pcc? Not sure if it's just meant for rifle rounds.
They make key micro muzzle devices threaded 1/2x36 and 1/2x28. Both have a .38 caliber bore if im not mistaken so 9mm and other calibers will work with them.
Well. I just switched to keymo for my Saker. Costly yes. I ordered 2 flash hiders and neither one included shims. Yet, it says time the flash hider at 12 o’clock.
What is your thoughts ??
I can think of only 2 reasons to time a flash hider:
1. Aesthetics. If you are pinning and welding most people want that weld at the 6 o'clock position so you need to ensure the pre-drilled hole on the flash hider is pointing to 6 o'clock. Also some people may want the tines oriented a certain way or for the can to sit a certain way when tightened.
2. Functionality. If you have a tine positioned at 6 o'clock and you shoot prone, you may have less gas going straight down into the dirt. Thus, less dust cloud. I feel this is a bit optimistic because you still have jets of gas at 5 and 7 o'clock. Not to mention if you are canting the rifle/yourself, this whole thing goes out the window :). That said Dead Air puts the pre-drilled hole I mentioned in #1 directly in line with one of it's tines. So you can achieve #1 and #2 simultaneously.
Best of luck to you!
What happen if you use two crush washer??
Don't use any! Shims only.
Thanks, for the straight forward vid brother! I needed a refresher. Just picked up my 1st can, your Nomad 30. I'm very excited to play! New sub! Joe PTSD.Help
Crush washers not recommended?
No, they can cause alignment issues with the suppressor.
Never heard of fiber tite....can’t find anything on line either, any suggestions?
It is called Vibra-tite, hope that helps.
What orientation do you align the prongs at?
I’d like to know this as well. Based off what he said in the video I don’t think there’s any particular alignment as the prongs do not need to be in a specific position. However, seeming the KeyMo only allows you to attach your suppressor to the flash hider on at a single point it may be preferred that this part of your flash hider is aligned somewhere between 12 and 2 O’clock assuming your looking down the barrel from the shooting position. If I’m wrong please correct me.
Edit: The pre-drill pin/weld hole should be at 6 o’clock. This will set your mounting key slot (single point which your suppressor mounts) to 12 o’clock.
Cool device, but Dead Air supplied my local store where I bought it with zero spacing shims in ANY of the packages. So it's not timed correctly and driving me nuts. Pretty big oversight, not happy.
That store is robbing you. Every muzzle device I've ever bought came with shims.
Regardless, buy as as many sets are you need. They're around $6 ea.
By taking the muzzle break on and off to clean your crown. does it not damage your threads over time? Also noticed you are going to the range immediately after rocksetting your device. Are you not going to let it set for 24 hours? Your might have some new buddies watching this. Hate to see you lead them astray.
Why shims vs a crush washer?
Crush washers can cause alignment issues if they don't crush evenly.
What I want to see next?? .......the exact same video, but with Pappas wearing a pokadot bikini!
HOLY SHIT !!!!! The worst install video EVER!!!! W. T. F. And this was done by Dear Air! I had to watch it twice because I thought I missed something and NOPE I didn't.
Kinda bummed. Purchased a SANDMAN L, paid their price and waited for the ATF. Got the tax stamp, took the can home and bam. No shims set included. No info included in box. Awesome. With other shim set I cant get it to go on correctly. Granted I have a dozen cans, and have put every stinking flash hider on said guns, not my first rodeo. Have all the tools needed for the job but for the life of me cant get it to correctly seat. Attachment is clunky at best. I guess Ill reach out to them and ask what the hell is going on, and in the mean time Ill take the Surefire out of the safe and put it back on. At least Im able to align it.
🆘🔫Can anyone answer this Q????
I'm running a Dead Air Nomad 30 and purchased a DA Key-Mo & 1/2 x 28 DA muzzle to run on my DD MK18. I upgraded my rail to a Geiselle MK4 Federal rail & my Nomad 30 with Key-Mo won't make full contact with the brake as the rail is 1/4 inch long.
My Q is how many shims are ok before causes issues!? if I can use ALL the shims that came with the DA brake and or more to make up the distance? How many are safe as I understand no crush washer's are recommended. I hate to mill or replace the rail as again it's Mk4 Fed rail!
Any suggestions or ideas I'll send you a PTSD.Help challenge coin😁👮♂️
Thanks to here or email me please Joe@PTSD.Help
I would not recommend using all the shims as they are meant for timing the muzzle device, not actually taking up space. Knowing that the ID of the Geissele rail is smaller than the OD of the Nomad, the only thing I would recommend is swapping out your DD barrel for something 1/2" longer. Sucks to spend more money on the setup, but the only other option is to either replace or cut down the Geissele rail.
Find a local machinist and have the rail cut would be the only option unless you want to move up to a longer barrel.
I spoke to both dead air and Daniel's Defense who recommended I shim to fit. I used my alignment rod and also had my local smith look at. Seems good. I appreciate guys.
Mine didn't come with shims, whose ass do I need to kiss to get some??
Are you kidding me? This is a terrible way to explain of how to!
bought a dead air can and its absolute garbage. Would not buy from them again. Baffle strike within the first few days of owning it. RMA'd it and it took 5 months to fix {waiting on parts} IF youre running an AK platform dont bother with these. Use a 762x39 only can. Multi caliber are just a pain to deal with. Ive spent so much money just trying to make it work on the end of my rifle and not wiggle or be out of timing. Not to mention they dont make Keymount muzzle brakes in 14x1 LH to 5/8x24 pitch. And their Keymount Hubs are out of stock so good luck.