Complete nonsense, kata of any kind can never perfect techniques it's totally ineffective as a training method in all arts.The old lads have good technique because they've done decades of randori and uchikomi.
Repetitive Kata drills are 'key' to programming very deep neuropathways, muscle memory and the central nervous system. When anyone criticize Judo kata as useless and ineffective they're ignorant. They don't understand the purpose of repetitive Judo Katas. It's like saying western boxing katas, drills, are useless & ineffective: drilling boxing combinations, drilling bobbing & weaving, drilling slipping and footwork. It's like guys saying practicing guitar scales & cords are useless or piano scales are useless to playing music. Imagine telling Infantrymen that drilling magazine changes, dry firing, performing dry tactical maneuvers were useless to learning how to perform in battle. Repetitive Kata is key to programming good Judo. Randori is the test.
Totally incorrect,uchikomi is the equivalent of shadow boxing, not kata.There is no equivalent of kata in combat sports because it doesn't work on muscle memory,you need huge reps at real speed to do that.
I trained at the Kodokan 2004-2010 and once a month they would have a Kata Day where we all focus on only Kata. On that day we would train and get advice from all the old timers for our Kata Test. We needed to do different Kata to get shodan, nidan and so on. There is a meditative beauty to Kata. as I get older, I appreciate it more and more.
The journey which the old ways have travelled to what we have now is a maze within a maze . Seeing the old ways being watered down and morphing from their original methodology and intent is why this video is so important . Thank you for another gem Chadi .
Yo, this channel is everything i dreamed for. I gotta tell my friends about you. You should also try to get some advertising so people hear about this channel, Judokas love to see content about their art, they just need to get introduced to the channel.
I had an opportunity to go newaza randori with a Japanese University level judoka. I'm a BB judo and brown belt BJJ. I was surprised how good a -73 kg judoka was on the ground. These guys were B level in Japan. The difference was judokas are more explosive on the ground
When I trained in kodokan ju jitsu class was warm ups,,katas,randoris, then free style attacks. Class was 2 to 3 hours every other day including weekends that’s how you got good and prevented injuries. I have used many of my techniques as a police officer and never got hurt in hand to hand combat,,,but I put the hurt on those bad guys,,,many went to the hospital with broken or dislocated bones. Randori is necessary to teach the mechanics of the technique. They need to bring it back.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 Surely it’s a mistype he means bring back Kata to practice ala his training? I guess free-style attacks is a kind of combination ie a free style Kata practice?
Yep, Tues. & Thurs. from 4:00-6:30 & Sat. 10:00-12:30. After one year we were tested for white belt. Lots of warming up, drilling basics endlessly. Drenched in sweat after twenty minutes. One of the best times in my life.
Your focus has been really awesome lately. I like the older and also pre-1900 history videos. Your videos that have the "rare" focus, I think are your best.
Kata in judo vs koryu jujutsu are so different nowadays. What is kata in koryu is more like a few waza chained together. Then there is ura which is training for different outcomes of the kata like reversals, they do something different etc...
That's what always annoyed me about martial arts in general where there are so many misconceptions that came from it being watered down. Techniques and application being lost and being taught without a clear understanding of them, and of course things that are taken out of context.
Thank you Chadi. It's always a pleasure to see what new offering you have for us. I can only add from my own experience in Karate. There kata was almost supremely important. I asked my teacher one day when we might be allowed to spar. Having been training for six months I thought it must be soon. And very curtly he snapped, "Not before Black Belt!" I had the temerity to then ask when we could expect to earn a Black Belt. And he thundered, "Not for at least ten years!". One of his own teachers, his last teacher, had been Nishiyama. Old school huh? My own take on this issue is that without kime and kata sparring will produce bad habits. Which in turn lead to disasterous consequences in actual combat. Without sharp form, and keen focus, the student is at a disadvantage. However there is great nuance in fighting which can only come through experience. I see no shortcuts in training. Only dedication and perseverence elevate ones skill set. Thanks again for the old photos and films of our progenitors. All the best.
Unfortunately your teacher had no idea what he was talking about,nothing wrong with 10 yrs to black belt but 10 yrs of kata and kihon is entirely unrelated to combat of any kind,sport or otherwise. You should do limited light sparring as soon as you have decent fundamental movement and defense and ramp it up gradually. Your teacher was only repeating the mistakes of his teacher.Eastern martial arts have some valuable life lessons but most cannot teach effectively.
Learning Learning from others (fastest way) practical, hands on (better than technology) Get the gist (from mountains of research / experimentation) you can get the general idea. Over time (short videos (Chadi) I've learned a lot from. System (good organization, teachers, program, training, (best) equipment) saves a lot of time. 1993 UFC1 to now think of the time messing about and how the next generation will pick things up much faster.
There is an widely recognized opinion that free randori in karate is modern (XX century) invention as the art morphed to sport. What about traditional jiujitsu, was it also limited solely to kata (prearranged sparring)?
That opinion would be wrong, at least as far as Okinawan karate goes. Always was and is plenty of kumite...not just ippon kumite. My old sohombu (main dojo) had plenty of cool pictures of older fighting, and the old guys told us cool stories of “back in the day”. Kata alone is meaningless.
@@onerider808 hey I really dont want to start here this omnipresent discussion with good reasoning behind each of both diametral opinions. My question was to Chadi and to situation with ancient Jujitsu in his good faith.
So Kata was trained with aliveness/faux resistance to build muscle memory and reaction time. Interesting. Krav Maga does kata this way a lot then. Gracie Humaita still requires this aswell. They have 98 required self defense sequences that must be memorized and tested before black belt. I've seen Gracie Barra use similar techniques aswell. Rickson Gracie associations have "self defense" compitition where they go through the self defense kata and are judged.
The gracie set self defense is a complete contradiction to what makes it effective in combat,its totally impossible to select from that many techs under violent and unexpected attack,only that which is sparred or pressure tested will work.Dead drills are useless beyond beginner level.
Ricksons self defense comps are a joke in terms of performance, the point is to preserve self defense as a goal of training but those comps dont test anything.
Hi Chadi I saw old judo photographs and some show a short-sleeved jacket and short pants. Can you discuss the topic for a video? Was comes to my mind is because some of the techniques were different or there was more focus on leg grabs like morote gari and wrist grabs. Great video as always.
Yes, my ankle was hurt a lot. My son had trouble pulling off a Okuriashi Harai on me and just had to get it. He's like, one more time, one more time. LOL Then there's those that don't know how to protect their uke's when they are practicing a throw. They lose control of you or they fall onto you without meaning to. It's why I hate letting low ranks practice throws on me.
What we think of katas in Judo has it's purpose. It's a tradition of the art and something you will have to practice for your black belt, and it preserves techniques not fit for randori or competition. Okey, I suppose. What you are referring to is static attack and defense drills. I find these have low value. Not only are they very outdated, but there is also an option to teach self-defense safely under randori, even with weapons involved.
I strongly disagree with you. That type of traditional training is more effective than you know. The first time men tried to kill me all I had was kata and kime. Without training the mind how useful is training the body? It is never the art that makes the man. But the man who makes art. Real skills have little or nothing to do with sparring. It is all about intention. Especially against weapons. On that note. "Never block swords, unless you have to!"
Kata back then went from static (the stuff we see today as kata) to very much alive drills. In his writings Kano talks about the benefits of kata for reflexes, that should show that kata was different and more dynamic, it's live drilling against attacks, coupled with randori you'd get a good fighter
@@Chadi If that's the way it was at a point in time, it makes sense, and Kano's own writing seem to confirm it. But technically it is still the moves that are in Judo kata and various forms of ju-jitsu around the World, including Brazilian. I personally think these techniques really need a modernization. I say those forms of weapons defense are more likely to get you killed than do any good, and striking has come a long way since Judo atemi waza.
I have been a part of the WJJF as a boy and recently come back to it in my 40’s I love watching the old film footage of Japanese masters at work it’s important to remember that Judo was created to keep these techniques alive but so much has been lost over the years.
This is why old Judokas were more technical than current Judoka. Even at their old age they still can show the throws perfectly.
100%
They've been around for awhile. So they know what's up
Complete nonsense, kata of any kind can never perfect techniques it's totally ineffective as a training method in all arts.The old lads have good technique because they've done decades of randori and uchikomi.
@@scarred10 uchikomi and nage komi can be considered a form of kata, drilling also, kata back then was not the presentation you see today.
@@scarred10 Kyuzo Mifune
Repetitive Kata drills are 'key' to programming very deep neuropathways, muscle memory and the central nervous system.
When anyone criticize Judo kata as useless and ineffective they're ignorant. They don't understand the purpose of repetitive Judo Katas.
It's like saying western boxing katas, drills, are useless & ineffective: drilling boxing combinations, drilling bobbing & weaving, drilling slipping and footwork.
It's like guys saying practicing guitar scales & cords are useless or piano scales are useless to playing music.
Imagine telling Infantrymen that drilling magazine changes, dry firing, performing dry tactical maneuvers were useless to learning how to perform in battle.
Repetitive Kata is key to programming good Judo. Randori is the test.
Agreed 100%
Yes sir I agree 110%
Totally incorrect,uchikomi is the equivalent of shadow boxing,
not kata.There is no equivalent of kata in combat sports because it doesn't work on muscle memory,you need huge reps at real speed to do that.
I trained at the Kodokan 2004-2010 and once a month they would have a Kata Day where we all focus on only Kata. On that day we would train and get advice from all the old timers for our Kata Test. We needed to do different Kata to get shodan, nidan and so on.
There is a meditative beauty to Kata. as I get older, I appreciate it more and more.
Thank you for sharing
The journey which the old ways have travelled to what we have now is a maze within a maze . Seeing the old ways being watered down and morphing from their original methodology and intent is why this video is so important . Thank you for another gem Chadi .
Thank you very much
Yo, this channel is everything i dreamed for. I gotta tell my friends about you. You should also try to get some advertising so people hear about this channel, Judokas love to see content about their art, they just need to get introduced to the channel.
Thank you so much🙇🏻♂️
I' m fromFrance and I begun too study Nage no kata when I was Orange belt. My teacher was saying it's important to practice kata before brown belt !
That's great
I had an opportunity to go newaza randori with a Japanese University level judoka. I'm a BB judo and brown belt BJJ. I was surprised how good a -73 kg judoka was on the ground. These guys were B level in Japan. The difference was judokas are more explosive on the ground
100% in japan they train long hours
When I trained in kodokan ju jitsu class was warm ups,,katas,randoris, then free style attacks. Class was 2 to 3 hours every other day including weekends that’s how you got good and prevented injuries. I have used many of my techniques as a police officer and never got hurt in hand to hand combat,,,but I put the hurt on those bad guys,,,many went to the hospital with broken or dislocated bones. Randori is necessary to teach the mechanics of the technique. They need to bring it back.
But aren't randoris and free style attacks the same thing?
@@jestfullgremblim8002 Surely it’s a mistype he means bring back Kata to practice ala his training? I guess free-style attacks is a kind of combination ie a free style Kata practice?
Yep, Tues. & Thurs. from 4:00-6:30 & Sat. 10:00-12:30. After one year we were tested for white belt. Lots of warming up, drilling basics endlessly. Drenched in sweat after twenty minutes. One of the best times in my life.
My next stop is kodokan
@@jehoover3009 idk
Awesome work Chadi! Agree 100%
Thank you 🙇🏻♂️
Your focus has been really awesome lately. I like the older and also pre-1900 history videos. Your videos that have the "rare" focus, I think are your best.
it's always a Masterpiece.
Indeed
Kata in judo vs koryu jujutsu are so different nowadays. What is kata in koryu is more like a few waza chained together. Then there is ura which is training for different outcomes of the kata like reversals, they do something different etc...
Yes back then kata was much different
You are the best judo/grappling channel around, Chadi. You’re quickly becoming THE guy.
Thank you so much Mark
Chadi.. your work is invaluable for casual fans or practitioners.
Great video like always. keeping searching please.
Beautiful throws!!!!
Mifune the one and only
@@Chadi agree man!! I hope I can be fit like him at his old age!! WOW! he was MAN!!!
That's what always annoyed me about martial arts in general where there are so many misconceptions that came from it being watered down. Techniques and application being lost and being taught without a clear understanding of them, and of course things that are taken out of context.
Good topic, thank you for sharing 😊.
Thank you for listening
Not gonna lie, click like before I even watch the vids these days 🤷♂️😅
That's why I love my audience
Me too
Thank you Chadi. It's always a pleasure to see what new offering you have for us. I can only add from my own experience in Karate. There kata was almost supremely important. I asked my teacher one day when we might be allowed to spar. Having been training for six months I thought it must be soon. And very curtly he snapped, "Not before Black Belt!" I had the temerity to then ask when we could expect to earn a Black Belt. And he thundered, "Not for at least ten years!". One of his own teachers, his last teacher, had been Nishiyama. Old school huh? My own take on this issue is that without kime and kata sparring will produce bad habits. Which in turn lead to disasterous consequences in actual combat. Without sharp form, and keen focus, the student is at a disadvantage. However there is great nuance in fighting which can only come through experience. I see no shortcuts in training. Only dedication and perseverence elevate ones skill set.
Thanks again for the old photos and films of our progenitors.
All the best.
That's such a valuable story, i agree, thank you for sharing
Unfortunately your teacher had no idea what he was talking about,nothing wrong with 10 yrs to black belt but 10 yrs of kata and kihon is entirely unrelated to combat of any kind,sport or otherwise. You should do limited light sparring as soon as you have decent fundamental movement and defense and ramp it up gradually. Your teacher was only repeating the mistakes of his teacher.Eastern martial arts have some valuable life lessons but most cannot teach effectively.
Learning
Learning from others (fastest way) practical, hands on (better than technology)
Get the gist (from mountains of research / experimentation) you can get the general idea.
Over time (short videos (Chadi) I've learned a lot from.
System (good organization, teachers, program, training, (best) equipment) saves a lot of time.
1993 UFC1 to now think of the time messing about and how the next generation will pick things up much faster.
i'm still not so used to english so i'm having a stroke trying to read this haha.
Need to learn all aspects
Best upvote/downvote ratio on youtube. Chadi --> Kimura of Judo documentary ;)
Good job I like this one :)
Thank you
There is an widely recognized opinion that free randori in karate is modern (XX century) invention as the art morphed to sport. What about traditional jiujitsu, was it also limited solely to kata (prearranged sparring)?
That opinion would be wrong, at least as far as Okinawan karate goes. Always was and is plenty of kumite...not just ippon kumite. My old sohombu (main dojo) had plenty of cool pictures of older fighting, and the old guys told us cool stories of “back in the day”. Kata alone is meaningless.
@@onerider808 hey I really dont want to start here this omnipresent discussion with good reasoning behind each of both diametral opinions. My question was to Chadi and to situation with ancient Jujitsu in his good faith.
Oss!!!👏👏👏
🙇🏻♂️
my students begin learning Naga no kata after the first month.
So Kata was trained with aliveness/faux resistance to build muscle memory and reaction time.
Interesting.
Krav Maga does kata this way a lot then.
Gracie Humaita still requires this aswell. They have 98 required self defense sequences that must be memorized and tested before black belt.
I've seen Gracie Barra use similar techniques aswell.
Rickson Gracie associations have "self defense" compitition where they go through the self defense kata and are judged.
I like the fact Rickson preserves this aspect
The gracie set self defense is a complete contradiction to what makes it effective in combat,its totally impossible to select from that many techs under violent and unexpected attack,only that which is sparred or pressure tested will work.Dead drills are useless beyond beginner level.
Ricksons self defense comps are a joke in terms of performance, the point is to preserve self defense as a goal of training but those comps dont test anything.
@@scarred10
I've used many of the "self defense" techniques live.
They are learned more effectively through application during live sparing I agree.
Hi Chadi
I saw old judo photographs and some show a short-sleeved jacket and short pants. Can you discuss the topic for a video? Was comes to my mind is because some of the techniques were different or there was more focus on leg grabs like morote gari and wrist grabs. Great video as always.
Thank you, it's actually the ķata guruma that evolved the gi, i have a video on the evolution of kata guruma i tell the story
The gentle way yeah sure 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hah hah .. Agreed .
Yeah, my fellow Judokas be like "I'll gently smash you to oblivion"
Gentle on you, not the opponent.
I heard "Smooth Pathway" as a good rendering aswell.
@@joshuakeeler82 the judoka doing of course it's gentle but the person getting thrown it's pain
Dochmentary name? I watched it some years ago, but lost it...
Yes, my ankle was hurt a lot. My son had trouble pulling off a Okuriashi Harai on me and just had to get it. He's like, one more time, one more time. LOL Then there's those that don't know how to protect their uke's when they are practicing a throw. They lose control of you or they fall onto you without meaning to. It's why I hate letting low ranks practice throws on me.
Damn old time uncles were doing John Cena attitude adjustment In practice
Ouch
Drillers make killers.
Bushido!
Yes
🤔💯👌👊👍
🙇🏻♂️
What we think of katas in Judo has it's purpose. It's a tradition of the art and something you will have to practice for your black belt, and it preserves techniques not fit for randori or competition. Okey, I suppose. What you are referring to is static attack and defense drills. I find these have low value. Not only are they very outdated, but there is also an option to teach self-defense safely under randori, even with weapons involved.
I strongly disagree with you. That type of traditional training is more effective than you know. The first time men tried to kill me all I had was kata and kime. Without training the mind how useful is training the body? It is never the art that makes the man. But the man who makes art. Real skills have little or nothing to do with sparring. It is all about intention. Especially against weapons. On that note. "Never block swords, unless you have to!"
Kata back then went from static (the stuff we see today as kata) to very much alive drills. In his writings Kano talks about the benefits of kata for reflexes, that should show that kata was different and more dynamic, it's live drilling against attacks, coupled with randori you'd get a good fighter
@@stefanschleps8758 I am afraid I'm with Rokas on this one.
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@@Chadi If that's the way it was at a point in time, it makes sense, and Kano's own writing seem to confirm it. But technically it is still the moves that are in Judo kata and various forms of ju-jitsu around the World, including Brazilian.
I personally think these techniques really need a modernization. I say those forms of weapons defense are more likely to get you killed than do any good, and striking has come a long way since Judo atemi waza.
@@henrikg1388 of course everything should evolve
I have been a part of the WJJF as a boy and recently come back to it in my 40’s I love watching the old film footage of Japanese masters at work it’s important to remember that Judo was created to keep these techniques alive but so much has been lost over the years.
Bushido!
What
That's how Japanese people call Martial Arts
@@cahallo5964 yeah, but why would he comment it like that. i don't get it, just like the Harai Goshi
@@jestfullgremblim8002 cuz he is very enthusiastic about martial arts
@@cahallo5964 sounds more like Autistic!