There is a joke among Silat community, a grandmaster have 100 techniques, he only teach 99 to his most trusted pupil, saying there's only 99 techniques, he kept 1 for himself, the technique he could use to destroy his pupil should the pupil go against him. But then he died without passing on the 1 technique. His pupil become the grandmaster, he only teach 98 techniques to his next successor for the same reason. Time goes on, all the grandmasters always kept 1 for themselves through generations. In our generation, there is nothing more, we just made everything up ourselves and call it "Silat", everything is just a lie :))
It makes me remember Star Wars, if Luke learn how to deflect lightning attack, he wouldn't get tortured by The Emperor. Even on death bed, Yoda don't bother to teach him that, the same with Obi in his spirit form. They simply don't want to teach Luke for reasons. So we're in our generation is like Luke Skywalker :))
I believe that hidden or not, the forgotten techniques will be re discovered through other culture martial arts or someone reinvented the wheel. We human only have 4 limbs, so hidden jujutsu techniques would also exist in other countries grappling arts
Love your channel. Can you do a history video on the Brazilian style of Luta Livre? I know for many years, there was a rivalry between the Gracies and their Jiu-Jitsu and Luta Livre. I read that most people couldn’t afford jiu-jitsu lessons from the Gracies and that only the middle and upper class and elites could afford lessons while Luta Livre was taught to the poor.
Prof. Chadi, could u please document your experience and what you learn when u go to the kodokan, imperial universities and police academy in japan. I'd even pay to watch that.
Not everything is a big secret though. Some things are lost in translation in passing techniques to students ...some people just don’t ever get certain movements but still got their teaching credentials. So you can understand how things can be lost or watered down from people with poor understanding trying to find their own way.
@@dextergarner1286 Nailed it. Also, just because a school has hundreds of students or many students, doesn't mean the transmission from Master to Student is going to be exactly the same.
In regard to japanese martial schools, unarmed and armed strategy, tactics and techniques were considered state and clan secrets. They wouldn't want to give another clan information that could enhance their position lest they have to fight them and Japanese experienced a prolonged period of fighting within themselves known as "sengoku jidai".
Another well informative video. I think there is more to the secret technique; however, I find it to be a double edge sword. It might be used to keep a controlled curriculum, or maybe to ensure quality control. I even thought it was a marketing strategy, but the more I thought about it the more I can understand why.
A couple things: the idea of not passing on techniques is to prevent them from falling into untrained hands, or allowing them to be used by people with no sense of honor, discipline, or shibui. That would be like handing a child a pistol with a hair trigger. 2) the sake cup tradition is not a bad thing. That idea arose from our sick society's notion that there is something called safety, and by avoiding germs and dangers we make ourselves "safer." The opposite is in fact true; by exposing ourselves to normal germs, we actually strengthen our immune systems. By exposing ourselves to physical and existential danger, we strengthen mind, body, and spirit. IMO/IME
No one ever mentions it on UA-cam, but should all the techniques be available, especially here online? Many of the techniques of budo are lethal and certainly should not be taught to anyone until they have demonstrated to their teacher that they are responsible. If you keep digging into judo's origins I reckon you'll find techniques that you mustn't share outside the dojo.
@chadi you got to do it man. Preserve the history and bring it to the world. There is only so much one can learn and perfect in a life time. The internet is the greatest library of knowledge that has ever existed.
I have learn this one fact in my lifetime. Nothing stays hidden forever nor is knowledge completely lost. To acquire wisdom gives one a deeper understanding. Having deeper understanding is the key that opens door. Once the door is open, knowledge is within reach. And what once lacking is full . 💯👌🙏
I've been doing traditional Jiu-Jitsu for years one of the things that I have noticed though is that some of the techniques don't make any sense. I mean if you actually put a Tanto blade in your hand. The traditional techniques look totally different. I've also looked around for Tonto instructional manuals. I really can't find any and when I do find someone that has a background in it it usually looks like classical kenjitsu. Now they do have tankendo do but that is more of a modern invention for the bayonet. And I was also able to collect a jute the power of 10 hands book. That's the small iron baton with a si hooked protruding. Former Japanese police used to carry this and they used to capture blades and entangle samurai to be restrained and held with rope. I'm also not surprised the secrecy if you think about it. The Gracie's definitely changed a fighting. Now are they a complete system I wouldn't say yes. There is a lot of Filipino artists that have combat Judo, grappling, knife work and long weapons. But yes I would definitely love to see you go to Japan and check out the Japanese police and how they do their martial arts I would say it's probably a lot different than you expected
For self defense, it remains the same approach from 1890, Pedro Valente told me, what Royce and others were doing for challenges was great one on one and particularly a striker, taking them to the ground is the best strategy
@@Chadi by the way I enjoyed some of your Japanese police videos. I do agree that the grace used a phenomenal strategy. But just like anything the cat is out of the bag period and you see a more aggressive grappling and striking Style to subdue the Brazilian tactic. Secrets if you know what I mean. On a different note I think you would enjoy doing some research on this police nunchaku tool. I recently talked to the man who invented it. And it looks like it's going to be picking up here in the states. It's called the Orca police nunchaku. The OPM is a professional police tool and the tactics that are attached to them greatly will benefit situations where you have a non-compliant semi passive, too passive suspect. ua-cam.com/video/ZVX57XO2I94/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/lcdjGYJlNLc/v-deo.html
High Value, Well Developed Martial Arts are the deadly serious skills of the elite warrior class. Of course it is guarded knowledge! No responsible skill holder can just give away the closely held ideas passed down through many generations. These are secrets which explain the human psychology allowing one to lead men to die in battle. We think of Martial Arts as a game of who can KO or Submit the other guy while only attacking his meat and strong joints. This is how we can practice basic skills, condition the body to accept pain without stepping back, and what a workout!!! All those who fight know the intense experience of getting punched and kicked. It wakes you up! Takes your breath away! Usually just leaves bruises though... Serious, battlefield honed martial arts are focused on killing the opponent. One strike, one kill. This is the Way to Victory. Find the Shortest Path to My Goal. Tread Firmly and Move Precisely.
There is a joke among Silat community, a grandmaster have 100 techniques, he only teach 99 to his most trusted pupil, saying there's only 99 techniques, he kept 1 for himself, the technique he could use to destroy his pupil should the pupil go against him. But then he died without passing on the 1 technique. His pupil become the grandmaster, he only teach 98 techniques to his next successor for the same reason. Time goes on, all the grandmasters always kept 1 for themselves through generations. In our generation, there is nothing more, we just made everything up ourselves and call it "Silat", everything is just a lie :))
all martial arts like this
They're all like this, many crafts not just martial arts hold cards close to their chest
It makes me remember Star Wars, if Luke learn how to deflect lightning attack, he wouldn't get tortured by The Emperor. Even on death bed, Yoda don't bother to teach him that, the same with Obi in his spirit form. They simply don't want to teach Luke for reasons. So we're in our generation is like Luke Skywalker :))
@@MizanQistina awesome
@@MizanQistina Either that, our you just discovered a giant plot hole in George Lucas' manuscripts. 😄
I believe that hidden or not, the forgotten techniques will be re discovered through other culture martial arts or someone reinvented the wheel. We human only have 4 limbs, so hidden jujutsu techniques would also exist in other countries grappling arts
Yes of course
Love your channel. Can you do a history video on the Brazilian style of Luta Livre? I know for many years, there was a rivalry between the Gracies and their Jiu-Jitsu and Luta Livre. I read that most people couldn’t afford jiu-jitsu lessons from the Gracies and that only the middle and upper class and elites could afford lessons while Luta Livre was taught to the poor.
Prof. Chadi, could u please document your experience and what you learn when u go to the kodokan, imperial universities and police academy in japan. I'd even pay to watch that.
You got it
As usual ... Excellent vid.
Thanks
Thank you for the info man, I love watching videos on Takenouchi ryu, it looks awesome to train in.
Thank you
Everything's a secret I've just figured out why these older martial arts keep dying out because everything's a secret 😆
I wouldn't say they were assassinated
@@Chadi it's funny though how knowledge gets forgotten and then rediscovered in other forms
Not everything is a big secret though.
Some things are lost in translation in passing techniques to students ...some people just don’t ever get certain movements but still got their teaching credentials.
So you can understand how things can be lost or watered down from people with poor understanding trying to find their own way.
@@dextergarner1286 Nailed it. Also, just because a school has hundreds of students or many students, doesn't mean the transmission from Master to Student is going to be exactly the same.
In regard to japanese martial schools, unarmed and armed strategy, tactics and techniques were considered state and clan secrets. They wouldn't want to give another clan information that could enhance their position lest they have to fight them and Japanese experienced a prolonged period of fighting within themselves known as "sengoku jidai".
Please consider to do videos about Gonosen-no-kata and Hikomi-no-kata.
Sure
Great video. I agree, that it could be a lot of more to find out.
Classical bujutsu and classical budo by Donn F. Draeger are excellent books regarding martial arts in Japan. I highly recommend them.
I'll check'em out
Also recommend Dr Kacem Zoughari 👌
Another well informative video. I think there is more to the secret technique; however, I find it to be a double edge sword. It might be used to keep a controlled curriculum, or maybe to ensure quality control. I even thought it was a marketing strategy, but the more I thought about it the more I can understand why.
Amazing footage tnx
A couple things: the idea of not passing on techniques is to prevent them from falling into untrained hands, or allowing them to be used by people with no sense of honor, discipline, or shibui. That would be like handing a child a pistol with a hair trigger. 2) the sake cup tradition is not a bad thing. That idea arose from our sick society's notion that there is something called safety, and by avoiding germs and dangers we make ourselves "safer." The opposite is in fact true; by exposing ourselves to normal germs, we actually strengthen our immune systems. By exposing ourselves to physical and existential danger, we strengthen mind, body, and spirit. IMO/IME
I understand the logic behind it
No one ever mentions it on UA-cam, but should all the techniques be available, especially here online? Many of the techniques of budo are lethal and certainly should not be taught to anyone until they have demonstrated to their teacher that they are responsible. If you keep digging into judo's origins I reckon you'll find techniques that you mustn't share outside the dojo.
Very interesting stuff, thanks.🙏
@chadi you got to do it man. Preserve the history and bring it to the world. There is only so much one can learn and perfect in a life time. The internet is the greatest library of knowledge that has ever existed.
Will do
They are really fluid
I have learn this one fact in my lifetime. Nothing stays hidden forever nor is knowledge completely lost. To acquire wisdom gives one a deeper understanding. Having deeper understanding is the key that opens door. Once the door is open, knowledge is within reach. And what once lacking is full . 💯👌🙏
Thank's for video.
That is fascinating.
I wish you all the best in your search and journey.
Thank you
Hello, i'm new in this channel, subscribing right now!
do you know that Takenouchi ryu is still practiced?
I think Takenouchi-Ryu was featured in Human Weapon's ("rival" show to Fight Quest) episode on Judo?
Thanks for all this informations , you r , an intelligent judoka
Excellent work 😁
Thank you
I've been doing traditional Jiu-Jitsu for years one of the things that I have noticed though is that some of the techniques don't make any sense. I mean if you actually put a Tanto blade in your hand. The traditional techniques look totally different. I've also looked around for Tonto instructional manuals. I really can't find any and when I do find someone that has a background in it it usually looks like classical kenjitsu. Now they do have tankendo do but that is more of a modern invention for the bayonet.
And I was also able to collect a jute the power of 10 hands book. That's the small iron baton with a si hooked protruding. Former Japanese police used to carry this and they used to capture blades and entangle samurai to be restrained and held with rope.
I'm also not surprised the secrecy if you think about it. The Gracie's definitely changed a fighting. Now are they a complete system I wouldn't say yes. There is a lot of Filipino artists that have combat Judo, grappling, knife work and long weapons.
But yes I would definitely love to see you go to Japan and check out the Japanese police and how they do their martial arts I would say it's probably a lot different than you expected
For self defense, it remains the same approach from 1890, Pedro Valente told me, what Royce and others were doing for challenges was great one on one and particularly a striker, taking them to the ground is the best strategy
@@Chadi by the way I enjoyed some of your Japanese police videos. I do agree that the grace used a phenomenal strategy. But just like anything the cat is out of the bag period and you see a more aggressive grappling and striking Style to subdue the Brazilian tactic. Secrets if you know what I mean.
On a different note I think you would enjoy doing some research on this police nunchaku tool. I recently talked to the man who invented it. And it looks like it's going to be picking up here in the states. It's called the Orca police nunchaku. The OPM is a professional police tool and the tactics that are attached to them greatly will benefit situations where you have a non-compliant semi passive, too passive suspect.
ua-cam.com/video/ZVX57XO2I94/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/lcdjGYJlNLc/v-deo.html
@@jancelconroy4720 I'll check
what was that dojo in the 8:34 called?
Tokyo imperial university
Well done👍
Thank you
Thank you
🙇🏻♂️
If you want ancient Samari techniques try veejitsu fillipino Juitsu.
Sounds interesting, what's the history and do you have a link to that.
High Value, Well Developed Martial Arts are the deadly serious skills of the elite warrior class. Of course it is guarded knowledge!
No responsible skill holder can just give away the closely held ideas passed down through many generations. These are secrets which explain the human psychology allowing one to lead men to die in battle.
We think of Martial Arts as a game of who can KO or Submit the other guy while only attacking his meat and strong joints. This is how we can practice basic skills, condition the body to accept pain without stepping back, and what a workout!!! All those who fight know the intense experience of getting punched and kicked. It wakes you up! Takes your breath away! Usually just leaves bruises though...
Serious, battlefield honed martial arts are focused on killing the opponent. One strike, one kill. This is the Way to Victory. Find the Shortest Path to My Goal. Tread Firmly and Move Precisely.
私は日本人なのに知らないことがたくさんありました。
学ぶべき新しいことが常にあります。
👊🤔👍
🤙🏻
🤦♂️ I fell asleep 🥱