First thing I noticed in the video: a doggie walking around you. Second thing I noticed in the video: a kitty making his bed on a shelf on the back there 😂
I just retired from a shop at a University and much of the equipment we had and still in use I see in your videos. I enjoy seeing you restore and use those old machines, thanks for doing these videos.
Always love these Horizontal metal cutting saws. Had not seen one quite like this one before. Just FYI, the official name for that "oil cap", is a Gits Oiler. Manufactured for almost 100 years by the Gits Manufacturing Company in Urbandale Iowa. Keep up the great work.
Keith, despite sacrificing the floor space. Think keeping both will be a good choice in the long run. Worked at a stamping press manufacturer in a previous life and we had both. DoAll are super handy, but the Marvels are way better at set it and forget it type operations, since the stops free you up to start a cut and be able to do something else while it runs that cut. Both are good machines in their own way.
the drive shaft has a lot of flex. it has a tendency to jump up and reduce the friction drive. Ended up making a "J" type fixture, that when mounted upside down, prevents the thin diameter shaft from jumping up. worked on one of these about 10 - 12 years ago.
Keith, please make a video showing the 'weighing scale' adjustment in use - I guess it somehow measures blade load and slips the worm out of mesh until the load reduces - but the whole power feed has a few interesting features I'd like to see more detail of and how & why they're there and work ! Cheers. PS include travel stops in use too !
Yes please. I had a hard time trying to figure out how that adjustable force mechanism worked. My only guess is the purpose is if there is too much force on the blade, because it can't cut through fast enough, the lead screw will be kicked up and stop feeding the table. In other words it's an adjustable way to protect the saw blade versus the amount of metal it's cutting.
The slip clutch is in the rear, notice the wooden posts that Keith mentions as he assembles the belt drive. They are pressed against the cone by the weight in the front . Slipping the teeth would destroy gears quickly.
@@july8xx The blance weight appears to be able to lift the worm out of mesh with the worm wheel - if so, not a good design. If the balance slided the shaft to alter the force through the clutch, that makes much more sense but I couldn't see how that operated - so asked Keith for a video of it in action + explanation. Is it merely a means of applying a steady force on the clutch or is there some feedback mechanism as there ought to be - measuring the blade drive torque.
@@july8xx Here here! I was thinking about mentioning the same thing when I saw your post. However I still don't get the reason for the counterweight on those gears. I could see it if it were to adjust the pressure on the slip clutch by moving the drive shaft back and forth but it lifts it at the gear end
I was a little confused by it, too. Does the weight push the rod backwards into the clutch, applying pressure to the cork friction discs? And so if the forward pressure into the work is more than what is "dialed in", the clutch slips?
I see a great deal of safety built into this machine versus a traditional band saw. It keeps the operator's fingers well away from the cutting area. Good Stuff
My heart leaped at the thought of the DoAll being available and then saw your comment on keeping it. I wouldn't get rid of it either. I got a Kalamazoo 13x20 semi automatic saw cheap and it's a beast. Just have to run my rotary converter for three phase to use it.
This is so awesome! We had 2 of these at our shop. They've been so neglected and have so wanted you to restore them. Thanks so much for making videos like this I really appreciate it 😊
FLSmidth is an old Danish mining and cement company that have offices all over the world, I'm a Dane, fun to see the tag on the machine, the Company I work for makes laboratorys, we have just made a laboratory for FLSmidth, enjoy your videos
I use a saw just like that at Bath Iron Works in Maine, it is a beast of a machine. I had never paid any attention to how the friction drive works, very cool to see you working on one so I could see how it really works.
Hi Keith, When I saw the term 'worm gears' in the title, I was reminded of all my old worm drive saws that need repair/rescue/rehabilitation/restoration.
That band saw would be great in your welding/fabricating area. The easier and quicker it is to fab up a jig to hold something the less likley you are to use an unsafe "temporary" setup just to get something done.
Always a pleasure watching you repair equipment that I remember as new coming in to our shop back when I was a apprentice back in 60's. FYI completed Tool & Die apprenticeship and Mech Engineering degree, knowing how to process metal helped greatly in design work.
Of course you keep them both. What you CAN get rid of would be a small horizontal band saw, because this looks like what a horizontal bandsaw does...just better. :)
We always ran ours with the vice jaws on the same side as the drive, so you didn't have to walk around the saw to engage the feed after clamping the part.
Right out of highschool I ran one of those for about a year . Sweet saws good to keep it in service. The one I was running was extremely old probably first generation.
I have a Marvel hacksaw. Manual not powered. I’ve always hated hacksaws now I love them, this one anyway. It always cuts straight, never hangs in the cut and it’s beautiful to look at.
I actually work in a machine shop that still has this is operational use I actually ran this saw back in 1979 when I started working helped to do a minor rebuild very interesting this saw used a cork drive system our saw is from 1957
I remember using one of those at the experiment station up in Lubbock. Dub and that other OT helped me use it. I remember the head moving, and it was through the 2x4 heavy wall tubing in a jiffy. And you can run two saws at once, especially with the stops, so when you get in prodution ;), you'll be in high cotton. Very good job. Don't change the paint, she looks good in her work clothes. I thought maybe using the new worm and the old gear would be a good enough combo.
"Almost" always? I have been following this channel for many years, and Keith doesn't choose to answer the comments. I've seen him answer another UA-camr but never commenter!
@@paulcopeland9035 I've also been following Kieth, for many years...and Paul, take a chill pill....we're all friends here, aren't we? MY point was that when I have an observation, that I think needs a comment, I make it, but then always scroll down thru other comments, and find it's been answered by someone...
We have a marvel 8-mark-II bandsaw at my work that I help maintain. Those cork inserts are notorious for "glazing" and slipping easily. They might not look like they're in bad shape, but new ones make a considerable difference.
Thanks for sharing this with us. If possible I would like to see you do a blade change. I am having difficulty figuring out how the blade tracks on the wheels. I am used to band saws used for woodworking, where the wheels are perpendicular to those on your saw.
Cork clutches are use where the clutch will get oil on it. The machines I use the main drive uses a 20" clutch plate with 50 corks as the clutch. The bushings in the drive needs oiling everyday so the clutch plate is soaked in oil and it drives without slipping.
Great video Keith. If you get another bent shaft I would really like to see the process you used to straighten it. I have tried on several shafts, not easy.
In all seriousness, congratulations! Those marvel saws are amazing! There's no conflict, everyone needs a vertical band saw to do contour work, and everybody needs a workhorse ( typically a harbor freight 6x4) that you can set to work and walk away. The marvel is perfect for that!
With that in mind, maybe you should consider putting the widest blade you can get on the marvel. Best tooth set for ripping, leave the do all with a smaller band for contouring work
That scale-like mechanism to increase the pressure is an odd unit. I wonder if there was a chart for how to set it for various materials and/or thicknesses.
I run a Marvel you got your clamps and backwards that one has to go on the right hand side if you're facing the saw the bevel on the clamps have to be towards the blade that way you can picture blade over to a 45-degree side to side also the back clamps were fixed the front one slid forward
G'day Keith, You may wll have picked this up, however I note that the 'hydraulic' hose on the base unit is binding and crimped, looks like there won't be much flow as it site. Another enjowable Video.
Next shop project: Fabricating worm gears! No question there are specialized cutters, but frankly I have never seen it done. I could see making the worm on the lathe but the larger, driven gear? 2nd question: I wonder if you could order that set of gears (cheaper) out of the Boston Gear catalog? Wouldn't have to be uber-precise, it's just the feed rate.
Hi Keith, greetings from the land of Oz, down under. Love your videos. I see Ginger is making herself comfortable. What's the dog's name please? Love animals, Col Cunningham.
So the sliding weight applies variable pressure to the cork clutch on the back end. And the clutch applies variable torque to the worm gear on the front. And the worm gear applies variable torque to a chain sprocket. And the chain applies variable force on the movable blade. Wow, Rube Goldberg.
Thanks. I figured it was there too allow the operator to adjust how much force the blade would push against the metal stock. But I couldn't figure out how it worked.
Jim Connelley......Well, if you knew the importance of the Marvel band saw in American industry you would be embarrassed by the cheezy cartoon Rube Goldberg reference.
Man that looks like my dads old saw from the local paper company. That things was used everyday for 30 years. And cut everything from pine wood derby cars to multi ton paper machines. Any chance that is from central WI?
A wrap & victory! Sounds like it was pretty straightforward process to get it running. But maybe that’s just the result of creating an interesting video. Interesting that the worm gear parts were available. Bespoke or a standard size? Thanks for the video.
Thanks brings back lots of memories of using these saws for over 40 years
That saw sure looks like its ready for the RUCKER renovation and paint job.
First thing I noticed in the video: a doggie walking around you. Second thing I noticed in the video: a kitty making his bed on a shelf on the back there 😂
I just retired from a shop at a University and much of the equipment we had and still in use I see in your videos. I enjoy seeing you restore and use those old machines, thanks for doing these videos.
One of my favorite sayings ....... 'slicker than snot on a door knob'.
Well, that bandsaw sure is.
Keep them both :)
Good choice Keith, “He who has the most tools wins”
That beauty has a HUGE depth of cut. Excellent acquisition. With parts n all, what a steal.
Always love these Horizontal metal cutting saws. Had not seen one quite like this one before.
Just FYI, the official name for that "oil cap", is a Gits Oiler.
Manufactured for almost 100 years by the Gits Manufacturing Company in Urbandale Iowa.
Keep up the great work.
I found it interesting while rebuilding my 1967 1020 John Deere tractor the book said JD stopped using lock washers as they found the washers failed.
I just hate using brand new broken steel!
I just re-watched this video and note that you are getting a lot of use from this Marvel metal saw! You repairs were most worthwhile!
Keith, despite sacrificing the floor space. Think keeping both will be a good choice in the long run. Worked at a stamping press manufacturer in a previous life and we had both. DoAll are super handy, but the Marvels are way better at set it and forget it type operations, since the stops free you up to start a cut and be able to do something else while it runs that cut. Both are good machines in their own way.
Great saw Keith! Good call keeping both.
The old allen screws with the smaller heads are a 1936 series. Compared with a newer bigger head, 1960 series. Both can be ordered.
Could also just turn down the heads on a lathe. Unless the hex is so large you can’t turn down enough.
Fascinating that there are those who know details like this! Thanks for the knowledge!
*- Great Saw. Wonderful find. Happy purchase. Rewarding price. Good on you, Kieth . . . about time!*
This is a really interesting addition to your shop.
the drive shaft has a lot of flex. it has a tendency to jump up and reduce the friction drive. Ended up making a "J" type fixture, that when mounted upside down, prevents the thin diameter shaft from jumping up. worked on one of these about 10 - 12 years ago.
Keith, please make a video showing the 'weighing scale' adjustment in use - I guess it somehow measures blade load and slips the worm out of mesh until the load reduces - but the whole power feed has a few interesting features I'd like to see more detail of and how & why they're there and work !
Cheers.
PS include travel stops in use too !
Yes please. I had a hard time trying to figure out how that adjustable force mechanism worked. My only guess is the purpose is if there is too much force on the blade, because it can't cut through fast enough, the lead screw will be kicked up and stop feeding the table. In other words it's an adjustable way to protect the saw blade versus the amount of metal it's cutting.
The slip clutch is in the rear, notice the wooden posts that Keith mentions as he assembles the belt drive. They are pressed against the cone by the weight in the front . Slipping the teeth would destroy gears quickly.
@@july8xx The blance weight appears to be able to lift the worm out of mesh with the worm wheel - if so, not a good design. If the balance slided the shaft to alter the force through the clutch, that makes much more sense but I couldn't see how that operated - so asked Keith for a video of it in action + explanation. Is it merely a means of applying a steady force on the clutch or is there some feedback mechanism as there ought to be - measuring the blade drive torque.
@@july8xx Here here! I was thinking about mentioning the same thing when I saw your post. However I still don't get the reason for the counterweight on those gears. I could see it if it were to adjust the pressure on the slip clutch by moving the drive shaft back and forth but it lifts it at the gear end
I was a little confused by it, too. Does the weight push the rod backwards into the clutch, applying pressure to the cork friction discs? And so if the forward pressure into the work is more than what is "dialed in", the clutch slips?
I'm looking at your subscription numbers! Coming up on *200,000!*
*CONGRATULATIONS!*
I really appreciate the insight into what the parts cost!
I see a great deal of safety built into this machine versus a traditional band saw. It keeps the operator's fingers well away from the cutting area. Good Stuff
That going to work out great for cutting washers spacers and shims
My heart leaped at the thought of the DoAll being available and then saw your comment on keeping it. I wouldn't get rid of it either. I got a Kalamazoo 13x20 semi automatic saw cheap and it's a beast. Just have to run my rotary converter for three phase to use it.
Bought this exact saw earlier this year. They’re such good saws for the shop. Well done getting yours back together!
This is so awesome! We had 2 of these at our shop. They've been so neglected and have so wanted you to restore them. Thanks so much for making videos like this I really appreciate it 😊
Way cool. I like the feed clutch arrangement.
Thanks Keith
I remember seeing a saw like this twice in my life, part one and part two. It's a killer saw! My vote is keep them both.
I love seeing that people like you bring life back the machines that our forefathers used. Sweet machine 👍👍👍
Hello from Finland.Nice job.
KEITH, ANOTHER GREAT FIND, GREAT VIDEO, GREAT JOB, PET THE DOGS AND CATS, SEE YOU ALL NEXT TIME...
I think replacing the parts needing replacing are worth it, its an old machine, and keeping machines like this running is worth the effort
FLSmidth is an old Danish mining and cement company that have offices all over the world, I'm a Dane, fun to see the tag on the machine, the Company I work for makes laboratorys, we have just made a laboratory for FLSmidth, enjoy your videos
I love watching old neglected machines come back to life.. Keep up the great work!
Well done Kieth. I enjoyed this video. Thank you for posting your work.
I use a saw just like that at Bath Iron Works in Maine, it is a beast of a machine. I had never paid any attention to how the friction drive works, very cool to see you working on one so I could see how it really works.
I remember sawing many pieces of steel. We bought one in 1964. What a work horse Good memories for 84 year old
Hi Keith, When I saw the term 'worm gears' in the title, I was reminded of all my old worm drive saws that need repair/rescue/rehabilitation/restoration.
"I have decided to keep them both!" Hahahahah what a surprise Keith. Did you really believe you could have only one metal band saw ;) ?
I own 15 of them
That band saw would be great in your welding/fabricating area. The easier and quicker it is to fab up a jig to hold something the less likley you are to use an unsafe "temporary" setup just to get something done.
Thank you Ken for sharing...
Interesting new tool. I am also hoping for a future restoration. Thanks for sharing.
Always a pleasure watching you repair equipment that I remember as new coming in to our shop back when I was a apprentice back in 60's. FYI completed Tool & Die apprenticeship and Mech Engineering degree, knowing how to process metal helped greatly in design work.
Congratulations, Keith.
Of course you keep them both. What you CAN get rid of would be a small horizontal band saw, because this looks like what a horizontal bandsaw does...just better. :)
Thank you for sharing. Nice saw, it seems to cut square.
Great addition to the shop.
I admire your work you are very good and love what you do god bless you
Good looking saw should serve you well, great video Keith, keep'um coming.
Nice saw Keith! 🎚🙏🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾
We always ran ours with the vice jaws on the same side as the drive, so you didn't have to walk around the saw to engage the feed after clamping the part.
Very nice saw!
And another unwanted orphan finds a new lease on life in "Kieth's Home for Wayward Machinery"..... LOL
Nice saw, thanks for another great video Keith.
Your abilities to restore/repair machinery knows no limits. I’m impressed. Thanks, Keith
Keeping both - a great idea.
Right out of highschool I ran one of those for about a year . Sweet saws good to keep it in service. The one I was running was extremely old probably first generation.
at 1:20 amazing action at the right bottom corner of the picture - an escape artist ;)
I hope you have plans to clean it up and repaint it. My OCD would certainly have to make it look near new... Thumbs Up
I have a Marvel hacksaw. Manual not powered. I’ve always hated hacksaws now I love them, this one anyway. It always cuts straight, never hangs in the cut and it’s beautiful to look at.
Beautiful Saw, Great Job‼️. Vinny 🇺🇸
Man, that is one super cool saw.
Go big or go home. I love your shop and tools.
Very cool old saw.
I'm rebuilding a 1949 BSA motorcycle, they used cork blocks on their clutch friction plates too.
Thats a Marvel of a machine, very nice, also thats one heck of a washer :D
You appear to be on a roll Keith, hurry out and buy a lottery ticket!!!
Art
I actually work in a machine shop that still has this is operational use I actually ran this saw back in 1979 when I started working helped to do a minor rebuild very interesting this saw used a cork drive system our saw is from 1957
I remember using one of those at the experiment station up in Lubbock. Dub and that other OT helped me use it. I remember the head moving, and it was through the 2x4 heavy wall tubing in a jiffy. And you can run two saws at once, especially with the stops, so when you get in prodution ;), you'll be in high cotton. Very good job. Don't change the paint, she looks good in her work clothes. I thought maybe using the new worm and the old gear would be a good enough combo.
A working marvel roll saw for less than $1000 is a win! 😎
Thanks for sharing!
Please make more video of this saw, Love it Thanks!
Great work Keith! Lucky you can get decent replacement parts!
You need to keep the DoAll so you can weld together band saw blades! LOL
this is a great new toy
I love how in almost all of the comments, any questions I have, have almost always been addressed and answered by someone else !!!!
"Almost" always? I have been following this channel for many years, and Keith doesn't choose to answer the comments. I've seen him answer another UA-camr but never commenter!
@@paulcopeland9035 I've also been following Kieth, for many years...and Paul, take a chill pill....we're all friends here, aren't we? MY point was that when I have an observation, that I think needs a comment, I make it, but then always scroll down thru other comments, and find it's been answered by someone...
YAY shop dog shows up for the assist! :D
We have a marvel 8-mark-II bandsaw at my work that I help maintain. Those cork inserts are notorious for "glazing" and slipping easily. They might not look like they're in bad shape, but new ones make a considerable difference.
Very nice saw and video thanks for sharing. :o)
Thanks for sharing this with us. If possible I would like to see you do a blade change. I am having difficulty figuring out how the blade tracks on the wheels. I am used to band saws used for woodworking, where the wheels are perpendicular to those on your saw.
I used a marvel at the manufacturer I work for. It had a badge on it that was from the 'war department' in the early 1940's.
Splendid machine!
Cork clutches are use where the clutch will get oil on it. The machines I use the main drive uses a 20" clutch plate with 50 corks as the clutch. The bushings in the drive needs oiling everyday so the clutch plate is soaked in oil and it drives without slipping.
what a nice saw
Great video Keith. If you get another bent shaft I would really like to see the process you used to straighten it. I have tried on several shafts, not easy.
In all seriousness, congratulations! Those marvel saws are amazing! There's no conflict, everyone needs a vertical band saw to do contour work, and everybody needs a workhorse ( typically a harbor freight 6x4) that you can set to work and walk away. The marvel is perfect for that!
$800! That is incredible
With that in mind, maybe you should consider putting the widest blade you can get on the marvel. Best tooth set for ripping, leave the do all with a smaller band for contouring work
That scale-like mechanism to increase the pressure is an odd unit. I wonder if there was a chart for how to set it for various materials and/or thicknesses.
I run a Marvel you got your clamps and backwards that one has to go on the right hand side if you're facing the saw the bevel on the clamps have to be towards the blade that way you can picture blade over to a 45-degree side to side also the back clamps were fixed the front one slid forward
we've got one of those. works great
G'day Keith,
You may wll have picked this up, however I note that the 'hydraulic' hose on the base unit is binding and crimped, looks like there won't be much flow as it site.
Another enjowable Video.
Next shop project: Fabricating worm gears! No question there are specialized cutters, but frankly I have never seen it done. I could see making the worm on the lathe but the larger, driven gear? 2nd question: I wonder if you could order that set of gears (cheaper) out of the Boston Gear catalog? Wouldn't have to be uber-precise, it's just the feed rate.
i use one daily at work its a nice saw
Cannot separate your “kids”😁
Looking forward to getting the horizontal boring mill in operation.
Hi Keith, greetings from the land of Oz, down under. Love your videos. I see Ginger is making herself comfortable. What's the dog's name please? Love animals, Col Cunningham.
So the sliding weight applies variable pressure to the cork clutch on the back end. And the clutch applies variable torque to the worm gear on the front. And the worm gear applies variable torque to a chain sprocket. And the chain applies variable force on the movable blade. Wow, Rube Goldberg.
Thanx 4 xplanation.
Thanks. I figured it was there too allow the operator to adjust how much force the blade would push against the metal stock. But I couldn't figure out how it worked.
Jim Connelley......Well, if you knew the importance of the Marvel band saw in American industry you would be embarrassed by the cheezy cartoon Rube Goldberg reference.
@@paulcopeland9035 I love Rube Goldberg systems.
Very interesting as usual sir.
Man that looks like my dads old saw from the local paper company. That things was used everyday for 30 years. And cut everything from pine wood derby cars to multi ton paper machines. Any chance that is from central WI?
A wrap & victory! Sounds like it was pretty straightforward process to get it running. But maybe that’s just the result of creating an interesting video. Interesting that the worm gear parts were available. Bespoke or a standard size? Thanks for the video.
Good deal on the Marvel. Once you have it in the shop for awhile you will wonder how you ever got by without it.
Keep both,,,but the Do-All comes first Keith :)>> Steve Summers Do-All is my type of saw..Bear in TX.