It’s Time To Have A Conversation About The Atlanta Falcons
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Kirk is now the most expensive bridge QB in NFL history. 🤣🤣
Going from a team with ZERO QUALITY QB play the past 3 years, Paying Cousin’s is a small price to pay for consistent QB play.
@@nebtalksso then why draft Penix?
@@robinali6903why not? It's the long term development of Penix you want along with short term success.
@@tonycordero6105 sitting on the bench for the next two years isn’t development.
This is the way
Just as easily as you showed lowlights from Ruke, you could have shown highlights… there were also plays that he single handedly blew up vs. high end players…
Jer'zhan Newton
@@owen6114Newton is good. Ruke is a better raw athlete. They likely think they can polish him
@@abyxis they've tried this every year in the Fontenot era, hasn't worked yet.
@@prapra15777 just so happens that most of the other guys work out, we’ve had numerous 3rd and beyond rounders play because they were HIM on film and can at least be serviceable at this level
@@davidwillis8623 yeah like Richie Grant 👍 waste of an early 2nd rounder.
Great video! Would it be possible for you to do an offseason review for each team? Love your analysis and you have very easy to listen to videos while i drive to work
Great analysis. Thanks for not regurgitating the same comments from the Love pick that I keep hearing on most sports media. I was thinking the same when Atl made the pick, they want the cake and eating it too.
As a falcons fan I love the fact everyone seems to think Kirk cousins will not be hurt, or like last season (a season in which backups became the starters) didn’t happen. Y’all’s confidence in a 36 year old is unshakable 🫡
They’re not bad moves if 180 million were not involved. But if they have the money or cap space than its cool
You’re telling me Penix is safer to play a full season? Go look up his injury history and get back to me, casual.
@@KTBFFH8 the money is insane . I think Kirk is good but not 180 million good. But I’m not gonna pretend to know why teams do what they do
@@TheAnthony55221 last injury was in 2021, and has been fine since then. But sure if you believe a 36 year old heals better I love the confidence
So then why did they sign Cousins for? Also Penix had worse injuries than Kirk has so your logic doesn't make any sense.
Signing Cousins - good move. Drafting Penix - good move. Doing both - colossal error. Murphy, Turner, Verse, Latu should have been their pick
well I mean they definitely tried to get both Penix AND a defender from what we're hearing now. imagine they'd gotten Penix at #8 then traded back up with the Jets or someone and gotten Latu as well. we would be talking about them the same way we did with the Texans last year (prior to knowing how CJ would turn out obviously)
Yup
Do Murphy, Turner, Verse or Latu make them SB contenders. Considering the 1st of them wasn’t selected until almost 8 picks later, I’d say the league consensus is no. So unless one of them turn into Aaron Donald, I think taking the potential franchise qb is always the best decision if the goal is a SB
@@MrDemo-mr3tu So then why did they sign Cousins for? Why not just use that money to address other holes in the roster?
@@Name-jw4sjBecause it is the falcons why are you surprised? Falcons always do dumb shit and that's why we haven't made the playoffs since 2017
The bijan Robinson pick was actually pretty good. Now drake London and Kyle Pitts haven't done shit yet. But they both never had a QB so we'll see this year
Drake would’ve had 1,000 easy with Kirk last year , Pitts had an 1,000 yard season already (one of the best for a Rookie TE. Don’t speak on the situation you don’t know much about 😂
I feel Drake London's been a lot better than his numbers. He's had subpar quarterback play his whole career so far and he still looked damn good at times
Let’s let them play with Cousins before making that judgement, hard to catch passes way out of reach for anyone
Not only they didn't have Proper QB play but the Falcons system Smith was running underutilized them heavily. Plus Drake London alot better than numbers suggest
@@solodly4381pitts hasn't done anything real of note. Even as a Panthers fan with all the Panthers incompetence, im not worried about Pitts. At all.
I was when he was coming in. And might see him become his potential, but as of now Falcons have straight WASTED him.
Background music: top improvement. relaxed, soft, not intrusive. Perfect.
I mean if there is a young guy you like and want to bring him along slowly then what better QB would you want to use to bridge that gap. Of course Kirk isn’t gonna teach him to be Mahomes, but teaching him to become a pro, studying the game, lead other men. Then you have picked a top 10 person. Cousins might not be considered the best, but he is definitely everything I pointed out.
Tampa Bay when they signed Tom Brady they drafted an RT with their first pick, because you sign a QB that you think will help you win now.
The Falcons GM, would've draffted Jordan Love.
I would've fired the GM after that pick. They could've traded back and get Turner and another great defensive player.
Falcons is a poverty franchise
Even tho my Bucs aren't a sexy team but at least when we have a Super Bowl roster we actually continue to build upon it and end up winning it all
Falcons are chokers weather they are good or not, bad roster management as well
I just don't understand how people don't understand that veterans go in and do their jobs regardless of the circumstances. Half this video is just him saying how Kirk will have this mental issue for this Penix pick. Let's be real here he's a Vet who's getting paid guaranteed money and over 100mill he's not gonna have a mental block at all he's gonna go do his job and do his best for his team to win that's what a veteran does. Let's stop this whole Kirk vs Penix thing cause he's is a mature adult who will be supportive of his young man. Dude has kids he ain't gonna be some kind ass to him cause this is his job he is a vet. He will go in do his job and do his best at it and the public won't mean much to him at all. There isn't anything to worry about regarding him and Penix.
Cuz its more than just Kirk mental status. Its about the locker room situation and collective mental status. And that's what really messes with everyone.
When you're use to being the focus of every room you walk into at work. But when there's TWO good QB options you'll have some teammates back one guy due to play or personality than another.
I see it all the time in project management, site managers that build the site always get prickly when the permanent tenants are moving in but haven't taken over yet.
I see it all the time in my rugby club I coach. A young gun who's the star of the team. Then a new baller comes onto the squad. And there's always some growing pains of having the team and them accept one another.
@@morsumbra9692 it's Football that's a complete team sport. Also Kirk is a vet he will have the leadership in that locker room also their head coach is a very good players coach they love him and will root behind whatever decision he makes. In any case this is being blown away more than many people are making it out to be. Kirk will handle himself like a vet and the players will rally behind that vet which the players have said they are ready for him to lead. When they get to Penix they'll be ready but this coaching staff will keep everything where it needs to be especially with Raheem. This isn't a situation where it's gonna affect the locker room. The falcons GM wouldn't have made that pick if he thought it would ruin the team. Penix hasn't proven himself while Kirk has. Penix will definitely sit and listen and watch. The media makes a narrative and people eat that shit up when in reality the outcome is quite different especially when you actually see how players handle themselves.
Agreed. Kirk should be realistic and happy he got what he did. I do think he expected to play 4 years and retire here, and we kinda did him dirty.
@@ADUSN No just no he's treated the league like it's supposed to be a business now we're treating this pick like a business that's all this is
@@isaiahspivey550 its not different, its still competition. Ego. Group dynamics. Same shit.
Great video
Reliving some of those Desmond Ridder INTs. So many "Wtf were you thinking?" throws. I can't imagine a worst pro QB. How they won 7 games is a mystery to me.
idk i dont think its as big a deal as people are making it be. if its essentially a 2 year deal, that gives they 2 years of essential "Good QB play".Im a lions fan so its no bias but hes in the same class as a guy like Goff, QBs who are not elite but if they have competent weapons can win you games. Going from bad qb play to good is could be the difference in them winning 3-4 games this year. It also gives Penix a chance to learn from a proven vet. Obviously it Penix is a bust or Cousins flops this is a different conversation but if they lets say locked up their next decade of QB play in one offseason thats a W to me.
think about how differently the draft would’ve played out if everyone knew atl didn’t have a qb and was going to draft one at 8.teams more than likely would’ve traded up to try and get ahead of the falcons for penix at qb4. atl believes theyve found their guy of the future you can’t blame them after thenheinicke ridder era
If im not mistaken , the viking still owe kirk 28 million dollars too . Watch out Atlanta fans. Kirks about the bag . Management met him and figured it out . Thats why they drafted MP .
No, Kirk said he wanted to stay in Minnesota, but Viking had other plans. They didn't want to sign a long term deal with him and only offered a 1 year contracts. Kirk wants to heave a team he can retire in, he said it himself. And do you really think Kirk is about the bag, what have it away? His lavish lifestyle?
No one is breaking this down correctly. Here is what we know:
The Falcons have a young core capable of winning now.
That young core has not experienced a winning season in the NFL.
The team has suffered terribly the past few years from subpar QB play.
Arthur Blank is grumpy.
Here are the possible scenarios:
1. They sign Cousins and draft anybody but Penix. Has their QB play improved? Definitely. Are they in position to win the division and maybe a playoff game? Probably. Do they take the NFC, even with Rome Odunze or some rookie edge? Extremely unlikely. Does their young core learn how to win from a stabilizing, experienced veteran? Almost certainly. If Cousins gets hurt, do they have a prayer of winning anything this year? No. Where are they in two years? No QB, drafting towards the bottom of the first round and entering quarterback purgatory and league irrelevance. Again.
2. They bolster their defense instead of signing Cousins and draft Penix to start Day 1. They've thrown a rookie QB in with a bunch of great skill players, all of whom are under 25. Do you get winning results? It's anybody's guess, but what is clear is no one on the offensive side of the ball knows how to win in the NFL. In two years, hopefully you're in a good place.
3. They sign somebody like Gardner Minschew or Jacoby Brisset and draft Penix to sit a year. Does their QB play improve? Probably a little. Can they win the division and possibly a playoff game? Maybe, maybe not. They most likely tread water somewhere in the bottom half of the league while continuing to squander their young studs and pray Arthur Blank doesn't die in the midst of an eight year losing streak. Hopefully, after the funeral, Penix takes them to the promised land.
4. Sign Cousins, draft Penix. They bring in a top 10-15 QB, a consummate pro who can mentor Penix, teach the kids how to win and give the organization its best chance to maximize the current window (again, highly unlikely any other rookie is going to catapult them into February games). If Cousins gets hurt, they still have a fighting chance with the rookie Penix. Once Cousins leaves town in 2-3 years, the team now knows how to win, has a groomed QB ready to storm the league, and is hopefully set for the next decade. Best case now, best case in the future. What's so hard to understand?
One final thought about the brilliant Packers and the Jordan Love draft. The cheesehead's choice was a much bigger fumble than the Falcons' selection of Penix. As often noted, the Packers were 13-3 the previous year and playing for the conference championship. They were legitimately one impact player away from the Superbowl. Instead, they took a QB who sat for four years and slammed shut their own wide-open Superbowl window. And they're the great geniuses how???
The penix pick was perfect Kirk is going to be 36 when the season starts AND he’s coming off a torn Achilles, he’s realistically got two years left before he retires he’s not finishing that contract
Yes, but Rookie Wonderboy has already had multiple injuries himself, and is not exactly a towering physical presence.
You sign kirk to win now and by taking a backup QB in the top 8 that doesn't help this win now. What is the point of signing Kirk for 180 million if the plan wasnt to compete
So he’s still getting paid
Also 4 year contract no
I’ll take Achilles over 2 ACL injuries but ok
If the Kirk contract becomes a 2 year deal instead of a 4 year deal, the penix pick makes an awful lot more sense………
Wouldn’t be as confused with the pick if the guy wasn’t 24 years old.
Question do you think Kirk has had a good career? Do you know how old he was when drafted? Do you know how old he was when he started? Where do you think he would be drafted if the draft was redone today?
@@theonemvp5599 kirk started year 2
Penix might have to wait until he's 29 to start That's why its bad
@@nautgamingnautgaming9949 Not with Kirk at QB he won't.
The pick is 50-50 with me but if your Kirk you shouldnt be upset, just ball out , win more playoff games maybe a chip and they will trade the guy
Still the 🐐Football channel but I was hoping you'd be a little more supportive of my birds haha
All we can do is be optimistic
idk i think its a better move than people think. obviosuly penix has to be good and cousins has to be what he was pre injury but locking up a franchise QB is much more important than finding a guy whos realistically will be receiver three/four on some games.
I look forward to the 2028 video of the 2024 draft.
Kirk is about as mentally tough as anybody he's been playing through years of people saying he's not good he's a backup here's years in Washington he doesn't deserve the money and you want to know what he's continued to be an above average very good quarterback during all of that he'll manage just fine whether the Falcons are in a good or not is a completely different thing
You drafted the best QB available! Forget how Cousins feels as the the question still remains regarding his longevity! He’s under contract and he’d better come to camp ready to compete! Cousins was signed before the draft because ATL needed a QB! Are you not aware of the severity of the injury? Has Cousins taken any team to the promised land? Penix comes to ATL ready to play now!!!! Watch the films!
That's exactly what i've been saying about derek carr You gotta give them time to work out the bugs in the new system. But if he's taken steps forward year to year you are going to have the most underrated qb in the league
It makes more sense than I initially thought. You don’t know what Kirk is going to be able to do after sustaining such a big injury.
Then don't sign him to a massive contract. Your logic makes no sense
@@warrenmason1582 he’s a proven vet, I think they are betting on him being good but if he’s not at least they can stick Penix in there. Better than what happened to the Jets last year.
But that's why it was dumb to sign him in the first place.
@@DoubleHelixStrand I agree that was dumb to sign him to such a big deal but at least if he gets hurt or doesn’t work out you have Penix on a rookie deal
Simple
As described where Kirk is basically on a 2 year deal, I think its fine they drafted Penix, and I'm not even that sold on Penix. Could that pick be used on something more productive in the short term? Almost certainly, but what's better for the long term? That we won't know until 3 or 4 years from now.
13:58 it depends - is the playoff game at 1 PM ET? In that case, you get MVP Kirko Chainz. If it’s a night time game, you get Kohl’s Cash
I definitely heard Kurt angle 🇺🇸
Was about to comment this😂
He said this vid wouldn't be all about the QBs, but it is
If Penix turns out to be elite, this will all be laughing fodder. Cousins isn’t taking this team to the SB; this ATL team is still too young
He won't play until he's 26 or 27 so even if he is, they'll have to immediately resign him to a monster contract. Just terrible money management
If Penix turns out to be elite we'll be laughing at the falcons for benching him for 2 seasons behind budget brady who was getting paid like a top 5 guy.
@@judgejudyandexecutioner.5223budget Brady is wild cause he will make more than Brady did
The Cousins/Penix debate does prove one thing: All too many sports analysis have absolutely no appreciation of strategic planning.
"If the Falcons were going to draft Penix, why sign Cousins? And vice-versa." The fact is, the Falcons DIDN'T know they were going to pick Penix. Michael Penix was on the radar of a number of other teams and was beginning to be seen as undervalued; it was probable that Penix would not be on the board at #8. That the Falcons needed an upgrade in QB was painfully apparent to all. Cousins was easily the best free-agent QB available after the 2023 season, so the Falcons signed him, paying a ton of money.
Cousins has his own issues. I am convinced that if the Falcons decided to live or die with Cousins most of the critics of the Penix selection would be clucking about that.
From what i can gather, the Falcons had no intention of drafting Penix until their GM scouted him at the combine. He then pivoted and went hard for Penix.
Fun coincidence: Cousins hat number 8 in Minnesota and Penix was drafted at 8 🤔 The universe wants to tell us a story
I think the falcons situation is different from the Patrick mahomes situation because Atlanta could contend this year with Kirk at his best and a number 8 pick at an impact spot.
Coach Morris interviewed for HC 4 years ago and wanted to draft a QB then but Smith got the job and drafted Pitts instead if he had drafted a Qb he would still be the HC
What you failed to mention, is that Kirk blew the Falcons a future pick for tampering. Had we drafted next year, we wouldn’t be having this convo, but Kirk blew that and we had to get a guy this year. Kirk knows this. ATL knows this, but you outsiders can’t seem to understand it.
It is the fact that they are likely to have winning seasons for the next two years with Kirk that they pulled the trigger on his future replacement. If they are drafting in the lower 3rd of the draft the next two/three season, it will cost them a ton to move back up into a top 10 position to get a "franchise QB" later. No one expected Kirk to actually see his full contract, I am pretty sure even he understood that he is not the future of the team. He was brought in because the team could be competitive with a solid QB now and in two years, Penix will be there to pick up the reigns and continue.
How is this bad cousins is coming off a Achilles and even if he plays well when are they going to pick this high again smfh I love this move whoever doesn't does not know football
People who say this wont effect the locker room have no idea what it's like behind the curtain. Theyre a very young roster and have an older mid 30s QB and a 24 y.o. It's not hard to imagine that age difference will also contribute to more splits in the locker room
they also whiffed not taking Jonny Newton in the 2nd round when he fell
The big thing no one is discussing is what Kirk could’ve done with Odunze
They are in win now mode
I completely agree that the Falcons could sweep the south and win it. I dont think they will but they can. I dont see the Penix pick is a bad one at all. For that reason. He is already as good ( projection) as the rest of the Division's other QBs. So this gives them a progression and a reality that Kirk could not be ready, could mess up, and/or gets old then this is the right pick period. This is a smart pick. They already compete and the only down side is that the owner could get antsy and fire the coach and gm but you still have a young qb to get you to a better qb class. And you dont have to pay 40- 50 for Penix, you can do a Jordan love extension.
Realistically i think that the falcons with kirk can maximize their team of strong starters. Giving them deep playoff ability assuming they play good defense. Bijan alone will carry the offense as long as teams cant stack 7-8 in the box.
And Kirk shines in the playoffs!
Cuz if Kirk can’t make it thru the season, Penix steps right in to pick up the offense after having time to learn without immediate pressure. Another below average QB play type season is NOT an option.
The pick of Kyle Pitts was not shocking whatever. Look up any mocks or anything from the time - a little research doesn’t hurt 😂
that being said their last 2 1st rounders are both jokes 😏
The Packers should not have drafted Love. Love is a league average quarterback , and if they went Tee Higgins- maybe the packers would have actually won something.
Correct me if im wrong but didnt Kirk leave Minnesota because they were looking for a new QB? Thats gonna be one heated locker room dynamic.
For the algorithm.
Falcons will be fine
The Atlanta Falcons had no idea Michael Penix Junior was going to be there. at 8. That’s why they paid Kirk Cousins
Im just pissed cause I was excited to see penix play. Now he might not for atleast a few years likely unless they trade him
I think you made a vid last year about how important having a good backup qb is. Kirk had a non contact Achilles injury last year. Odunze would’ve been cool but you went boujee with a top 5 pick on Pitts 2 years ago. You’re 1 Cousins non contact injury away from being stuck with no one to throw Kyle Pitts or Odunze the ball just like last year. Penix played a ton of high level college football, he can win you a few to save a season while cousins is out. Id sacrifice Caleb Williams prolific arm talent for Penix’s toughness, timing and accuracy. He throws picks when he misses defenders, not when he misses throws like Williams. So many franchises would kill to have their franchise guy at qb for next year alone, looking for a qb is a carousel teams have to get back on eventually. You’d pass on him just cause he only buys you 5-6 years off the carousel as an older draft pick, rather than 8-10.
The main problem is you give nearly 200 million to a old QB
If Kirk was signed to under 100 million then nobody would really have a problem too much but when you allocate that much money into 1 player especially the QB position
It just dosnt make sense to be so called in Win Now Mode and draft a rookie QB who won't contribute this season atleast that's the idea
But also Kirk is a middle of the pack QB, he's had great weapons in Minnesota having a top 3 WR with JJ and still couldn't win shit.
Kirk is a QB that will have pretty regular stats and regular season record but isn't clutch enough in big games
It is for the inevitable time Kirk gets hurt
He has injury history so it is a fair game between the 2 QB
Eventually we will have to start talking about something else.
Exactly. It’s been weeks. Bro just bored 🥱
Yea talk about the Bucs, the 2024 NFC South kings
But not today. We ain't done bullying Fatlanta
I don’t hate the signing Kirk, and Kirk getting a lucrative contract. He’s a productive QB at best and a game manager at worst. Not a bad guy to have on the team.
I don’t hate them taking a rookie QB to learn under him either. That’s the best spot for a lot of guys, gives them time to develop and grow.
I don’t hate them taking an older QB in the draft. Guys that have extra college experience can come in more mature and have built in leadership qualities that youth doesn’t always bring.
I don’t hate them for drafting Michael Penix Jr., they don’t think they will be in a position to take a franchise quarterback in the near future, and rather than drafting for need they drafted for the best player available to them (on their board). That is a move that Brad Holmes, the GM of my favorite team the Lions, has been doing since he came here. Don’t draft for need, draft talent.
BUT. What I hate is that all of those things do not work together. Them signing Kirk to a 4 year contract and then drafting a generational talent who is only 20 is reasonable. Them not signing Kirk, and then drafting Michael Penix Jr. to sit behind a journeyman for a year or two like Tyrod Taylor or Andy Dalton is reasonable.
But you’re giving Kirk a TON of guaranteed money to be a four year starter AND taking a player who will be 28 years old by the time he might start, AND gave up building your team, AND have two QBs with a scary injury history? That’s just not thinking things through. It’s not like they signed Kirk before their season was over and their draft pick was set. They KNEW they would be in a position to at the VERY least trade up to get Penix, but now they are going to be dealing with Kirk having doubts about his future with the team AND may be facing fucking tampering charges and losing draft picks (the Dolphins lost a fucking first for the Tom Brady thing) in the future all to fuck up your already rebuilding team?!?!!!? There’s 4-D chess and then there is whatever the fuck these guys are smoking.
Sweeping the saints 😂😂😂 ur funny bro
The point was to train and groom Penix for a couple of years... still should not have paid Cousins 180 million
The one thing cousins does have. A GREAT AGENT!!!!
Wen Raiders?
I've been spending all week fending off Falcons fans who say I'm just a hater for disliking the Penix pick. I have been saying almost your exact words: that this is NOT a Rodgers/Love scenario and that this will never work out the way the Falcons want it to. I have also written that, despite what will no doubt be a cooperative, can-do attitude from Kirk about this selection, he's GOT to be secretly pissed, thinking about what ATL COULD have picked instead of Penix. The fact that you are saying the same things I am proves once again that you are a genius.
I don’t “hate” the Penix pick, for me it’s the combo of him and Cousins that I don’t like. If the Falcons were dead set on Penix, they should have never signed Kirk. Instead sign someone like Minshew or Joe Flacco, who would be far cheaper and at least competent. And then spend the remaining money on a pass rusher, or a receiver, or whatever makes your team better. Or, in signing Cousins, give him another weapon with Odunze. Or draft Dallas Turner or Latu. Or trade down to get more picks. It’s just a terrible choice strategically.
I’ve been saying the same it’s very different
Falcons fans are trying to cope so hard by believing this is a Rodgers/Love situation.
First of all, Kirk was given 100 million reasons to be happy and professional so it his feelings don't matter at all. He's a pro, he's going to act like it no matter who we drafted because that's his job. Second of all, it's pretty easy to name all the amazing QBs who sat for a year or two before becoming the starter. We picked a successor QB - crazy idea I know. NFL teams have only been doing it since the beginning of the modern passing game. Let's say we still had Matt Ryan under contract and were paying him about the same price as Kirk at the same age. We would still be taking Penix. Obviously, if Cousins misses any time AT ALL in the next two years and Penix steps in and does well, this pick will be considered genius. Plenty of reasons to like the pick.
@@riffrandy Third of all, if "ifs" and "buts" were cherries and nuts, every day would be Christmas.
You are right that the situation w rogers and cousins is different but your reasons are wrong. Everything you said makes the Love pick worse than the Penix pick. You had an MVP upper room of the HoF who was one weapon away from the Super Bowl. That made taking a luxury item an absolute travesty. The equity didn’t mean he could handle the new back up, it meant GB OWED him more than failing to provide him an elite weapon for yet another season. The falcons owe nothing to cousins and this is a 2 year deal. They NEED a plan for the years after they release cousins. Does that mean I absolutely agree w their rational taking Penix, no. But do I agree w the view that Rogers wasn’t treated more poorly by GB and that the pick wasn’t more disruptive to their relationship is just wrong.
What can you say? They just know a QB from a purple team will lead them
2 years in a row they made head scratching moves in the first round.
Bijan is elite…
@@davidwillis8623 Yes he is. But for the Falcons he’s a luxury pick when they had a lot of holes to fill
@@Monk-ow3ok with the exception of Jalen Carter (who we didn’t take due to character concerns) and Brian Branch, we didn’t miss on any defensive players between Bijan and Matt Bergeron (our starting LG) drafted in the second round.
So Bijan was top-3 players available when selected.
It was a really good move by them, kinda how the Packers did with Jordan love. None of those defensive prospects were worth the 8th pick this year.
This is nothing like the Roger n love.. first love didn't have a injury history. 2nd love isn't turning 24 to start his rookie year and lastly we seen kirk play for 10+ years he anit Roger 😂😂😂
This was just a head scratching move 😂😂 only reason I can think of is maybe falcon know tht they might lose their first next year due to temper with kirk so they won't be able to land a top qb? 🤷♂️🤷🤷♂️
@@konglee9202 it’s actually very similar. Contract wise, love was drafted in 2020 when rodgers had 2 years of guaranteed money left; Kirk only has 2 years of guaranteed money and Atlanta drafted him. Jordan love was 21 when he was drafted sure, but after his first full season as the starter he was 25 years old. Y’all calling him old?
Penix will be starting by age 26 so not a huge difference, especially in an era where qbs are playing a lot longer. Joe burrow was 23 when he was drafted, y’all calling him old? Speaking of burrow, he has an extensive injury history but you wouldn’t use that against him would you?The kirk & rodgers comparison is irrelevant so I won’t address that. If you actually look at the timeline of events you’ll see not only the similarities but the falcons’ vision
@@konglee9202 it’s really not, they’re preparing for the future. Look at the young talent they have on offense. Not to mention there weren’t a lot of defensive talents to take that high in the 1st round.
@@kameronjones6633 there was alot at number 8 u could of had ur choice lol
As a Falcons fan, I'm okay with the Penix pick, but I did question giving Kirk $100M guaranteed to just be a bridge QB for two seasons. The biggest issue I have with Terry Fontenot is neglecting the corner position and not signing an edge in free agency. CB2 is a significant need and Fontenot sat on his hands and didn't take a corner when there were plenty on the board. While he drafted three players on the DL we still lost significant contributions like Dupree and Campbell without proper replacements. Fontenot whiffed on trading for Montez Sweat and again missed on adding a pass rusher in free agency. My biggest problem with Terry Fontenot in his four seasons as GM is him treating the defense as an afterthought in comparison to drafting Kyle Pitts while good wasn't a need in 2021. I hope he proves me wrong but Terry Fontenot doesn't deserve to be a GM.
There’s 2 out of 3 things you have to do well. Be able to pass accurately, be able to catch tough catches consistently, or be able to play lockdown coverage. Falcons can pass accurately and catch passes in double coverage all day long now.
Falcons have at minimum 2 quarters of the field that you can’t pass to, Terrell and Bates, if Hellams is who I think he is, he’s going to step up at Strong Safety and be effective there
Hey remember that cap hell we were in after Thomas Dimitrioff ? Terry got us out of thar . We’re not in this position we’re in rn without Terry
@@jamarworthy4065 agreed, let him cook… I SAID LET HIM CCCCOOOOOKKKKK
@jamarworthy4065 Hey, remember watching Desmond Ridder be crowned as QB1 with no competition? Terry Fontenot played a significant part in that, but you guys do want to admit that because it would hurt the "Terry Fontenot is perfect" narrative.
I'm just saying, Bledsoe got paid then Brady took over. Wilson took over for Bradford? After a big contract was paid... forget who that was
I thought Pitts was picked 8 too? 🤔
Here's a horrible, potential debacle to think about: The physical fragility of BOTH these quarterbacks.
36 year old QB with a bad Achilles = maybe no QB. It is what it is
Kirk should have stayed in Minnesota
Drafting Penix to me is proof that the Falcons know they made a mistake and got lost in the sauce with Kirk. A man who’s never even gotten a single MVP vote (let alone a win), who’s never been to a conference championship game, who’s never won a single NFL award, is getting older, coming off an Achilles injury and not withstanding 7 excellent games before injury has been the most mid QB in the league beside Carr , giving him 180 million was an absolute comedy. Penix is logical insurance for in the quite likely event that Kirk doesn’t perform. It just looks awful considering how much they put into Kirk.
Let's have this conversation at the end of the season. Get a life.
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Biggest saints hater
As a vikings fan, I am crying, laughing inside 🤣. He was threatened by Kyle Sloter. I can't imagine what he's thinking. Are you still planning on retiring a Falcon?
I think your team wanted Penix.
@ro229time3 Penix isn't a bad Qb, it's just not exactly the best fit when it comes to the Falcons
@@Jestin612its a beautiful fit for my falcons. He got time to get more healthy. We good
@@ro229time3 bro, why tf did you guys give all that 💰 to Kirk then? 🤣 🤣 🤣
That QB chump change. Salary goes up every year. Not worried bout that at all my guy
Keep sleeping on the Saints. Top 10 Defense / Top 5 Secondary with a new OC / Offensive scheme. Funny how all you experts immediately write off a team that won 9 games the year before all because their QB struggled physically for most of the season
Hey why didn’t you talk about how the falcons defense looks terrible? They didn’t play well last year & they lost their two biggest sack contributors and didn’t do much to approve it. Yeah I’m
A saints fan but this hype behind Atlanta just because they got slightly better Derek Carr that’s coming off an Achilles tear is just hilarious to me.
The falcons can do everything right and they still won’t win games. Good news for us Bucs fans is that they aren’t doing everything right.
They still haven't recovered from 28-3.
Best way to right it is be elite again at QB… all else falls after that.
More like a alex smith and mahomes situation
I think all of this is all non sense. With all the back up qb’s that had to play last year and kirk even going down last year. Drafting a good back up was the right move. Heck you even made a video saying how back ups are going to be even more important last year.
Cousins is a pro. I'm not worried about him trying his best as long as he's in Atlanta.
I feel like they drafted him and last minute remembered they have Kirk. 😂
Does not understand the NFC South
504 loves the pick
And 404 does too
Falcon should automatically be better just by having a legitimate coach. Arthur Smith was the worst at maximizing talent I ever saw.
They'll go 7-10 again in 2024 and fire Terry Fontenot
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@@Dimesprodztil the anti clutch culture goes away yall got nun goin on
@@nyssasam Homie we need NYG to get that energy 😭. Im just saying ATL will succeed 🔵🔴
How? With Cousins and a bunch of young guys due to step up? Accurate QB play makes any team much better.
@@Dimesprodz That energy is available to the Giants. There's a QB who has already done everything Caleb has done in college better in the NFL. They have identical skill sets. If anything, this QB has done something in the NFL I *haven't* yet seen Caleb do, thread seemingly impossible passes through tight windows to hit a covered receiver on the move.
It's just that You The Fans stupidly repeat empty memes like gossip spread by 14-year-old girls then come to believe them. This QB made his offense #1 in a league with Mahomes, Allen, Burrow & Lamar Jackson that his team lost all 3 of & You The Fans used that to say this QB was a bust because as I said, you repeat stupid memes.
Last I saw, this QB was available for merely a 4th-rounder. A *conditional* one at that & is expected to be a back-up, presumably because NFL coaches & GMs are also 14-year-old girls when it comes to separating gossip from reality.
But he can likely be had for a 3rd-rounder. You know, if the Giants don't think a 3rd-rounder is too rich for a Caleb Williams-level QB.
Wake up!!!!
It’s a young man’s league now so the Falcons may be a bad as you think.
Kirk will be fine. Penix will be fine. Quit making something out of nothing
Falcons will never recover from 28-3
Lol we over that. Everybody outside of the falcons is not.
@@ro229time3 Falcons clearly are not over it lol
@@RagnelEric clearly u aint. Thats shit been over wit
@@ro229time3 Falcons still haven't smelled playoffs since 2017 😂😂😂
Ha!! It all over now. We good
Need a panthers video about Bryce getting weapons this off season. Lowkey a underrated team now
God bless! Jesus Christ is King and saves and is the way! Psalms 62 - "Truly my soul finds rest in God; my salvation comes from him. Truly he is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken." Jeremiah 29:11 - "For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."
All this post draft talk is nonsense. We wont know if the picks are good or not till 2 years after the draft.
Atlanta falcons gave minnesota so much by taking kirk away. Much love ❤️
Every year people say the Falcons could win the NFC South and every year they prove y'all dead wrong 😂😂😂
Like you said, they haven't been in the playoffs in 6 years and the most they won in a seasonin that span is 7 wins despite being constantly stacked on paper. Combine that with the bone-headed decisions they've made in the off-season and it just leaves me confused how someone could say that they'll win a weak division that they've already shown MULTIPLE TIMES that they can't win
Not sure how this whole narrative of Penix having this incredibly strong arm got started, but Penix, McCarthy, Williams and Rattler all have good but not elite arm strength and that's when Penix's footwork and throwing mechanics are fundamentally sound. When he's throwing off of his back foot and using a side armed delivery, his passes either sail or don't have a lot on them. His arm is nowhere near as strong as Milton's, who's the only quarterback in this draft class, with a cannon for an arm.
Its said he has the bast accurate arm.
I don't know what films you've been watching but he's the most accurate passer by far in the draft
The Falcons had the division pretty much in their hands and fumbled it due to poor management and now the Bucs will go back to back
I’m not saying this is FA, but I see all football analysts bending over backwards to defend the Penix pick. I just don’t want to see people saying “I knew it was bad”
Everyone is giving it a C to B- grade when it should be an F. It was obviously a pretty bad decision.
“Oh but the Packers”
The Atlanta Falcons are NOT the Packers. The Packers are not a perfect organization but to think this will be a Love situation or even remotely similar is simply not having the guts to say this was a putrid decision.
Yeah nobody is defending the pick you just making up shit. Everyone if anything is criticizing this pick but make shit up I guess
@@isaiahspivey550 I watch like 7-8 different channels plus see the general opinion on the Athletic and other sources. Very few people if any are giving the full criticism that this deserves. Most people are trying to hedge their bets in case Penix is good. I just want someone to come out and say this is a generationally poor 1st round pick. Need some conviction in the community, everyone is afraid of becoming Mel Kiper without realizing he’s still very employed and listened to despite being famously wrong on some picks.
An F is crazy this comes off more as hating than reasonable analysis
@@treysonmcgrady4750 again you see a few people and think that's everyone the majority of people gave this a horrible grade. I will say that I disagree with it being a generational bad pick. We can't even say that right now as he hasn't played a snap we will see in 2 years or maybe less depending on Kirks health. But the majority of people gave it a very low grade and that is fact. Don't look at a few people and think that's the majority cause it's a bigger world out there.
@@RealCGH it definitely does