Porsche 991 911 Things That Will Break (2012 to 2019 models) vlog
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2018
- Porsche Vlog 51. In this video I will talk you though 9 things that can break or fail in the Porsche 911 991. You can see this as a list of things that will break, or common issues, common problems and common faults with the 991.
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30+ years with 911 ownership and I will say the 991.1 especially the 991.2 are basically bulletproof generations of the 911. This is especially impressive considering the high performance nature of the vehicle. It isn’t until you start owning other high end performance vehicles does this point drive home how good Porsche engineered this particular 911 variant.
See my post above they are not bullet proof . Great engine but the ancillary systems are not good
Had chicks always trying to pick me up at gas stations when they see me in my 911 targa 4s. Other than that no major issues
This comment is golden
Do you still have the car? Hows it been? And also,what year is it?
If you still have it, I hope it lasts you for many more years to come.
WAZUP???
Same here !
Every time drove my 911, babes tossed themselves all over me.
Soooo, I bought a 1959 Rambler Crosscountry wagon.
It STILL HAPPENS !!!??
I had the break squeal problem. I changed rear discs and put in Textar pads, with built in noise harmoniser. These pads are about £40 more then standard, but that stopped the problem.
Mine is a 2017 991.2 Carrera. Water pump failed at 24,000 miles--7 days after the warranty expired(!) We made a goodwill appeal to Porsche USA and they covered all but $100 USD of the repair (this is my third Porsche. I guess that actually counts for something). Thank you Porsche USA. Research on rennlist shows that a low mileage water pump failure is not uncommon with the 991.2, especially in the 2017 model year. Apparently, there was an issue with a pump seal, which was "improved" in later 2018 cars. Repairs are said to use the upgraded pump.
David Challis my 2007 TT water pump just failed at 45k miles
WHAT THE FUCK???
Thanks, great job !!!
I can appreciate the list but that music in the background has got to go...
Has to go where?
Driver 81 - sorry I didn't clarify. The music itself isn't bad and I know you turn it down when you're talking but the level it's at when you are talking is a little loud still. Made it hard for me to understand you sometimes.
Listening to it a second time I might just be hearing the low frequency droning in the cabin of your voice recording?
Josh Costa ok cool thanks. Your not the first person to say that so maybe I need to turn it down for future vids. Thanks Josh 👍
@@alsatch_ I absolutely and most definitely second Josh Costa on that one. many youtubers do the same mistake adding awful annoying music in the background. It's completely superfluous, and distracts rather than add to the experience. I'm assuming most people watch the videos to learn something, not to listen to annoying EDM, so you can loose that background "noise" all together. Other than that, the things that broke on your 911 wasn't really broken. just things that annoyed, you and they all have simple fixes.
WHAT THE FUCK????
I have a 981 Boxster S. Bought it in early 2019 with 102'000 kms on the clock, now at 128'000 kms, the only that went wrong was one of the bolts on the exhaust manifold worked its way loose and fell off. Apparently, it's worth checking/torquing them when servicing the car.
2014 991 S: one of the 2 fans in the front that feed the cabin broke. It make a loud noise. I read reports of this. It needed to be replaced CPO covered that. The pistons on the rear boot no longer kept the lid up when I wanted to add oil or cool the engine at the track. CPO, and a rear parking sensor malfunctioned and needed to be replaced. All that being said, I love my 991.1 S
I can confirm about the AC sensor failure and it was linked to the other problems where the whole instrument clusters in the dashboard lost electrical power and everything inside including the AC stopped working although the car is still running. It took a few weeks for the porsche service center to figure out the problem. The problem was found on the gateway control module unit powering the instrument clusters and the AC controls. So the module was replaced and I'm on my second day of driving the car and have not found the fault re-occurring.
Only issue I've had is those solenoid changeover valves that you mentioned at the start (no heat). Besides the HVAC heat controller, they use these in 5 or 6 other places. I had one fail for the heat, exactly like you described, and another fail for the PSE, which leaves it stuck in the open/loud position. If you read the Internet forums, this is a VERY common 991 issue.
Here is a link that shows 8+ change over valves .
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Change over valves. I had 2 different ones replaced under warranty, they are a very common failure if you look on the forums. Another thing I had was the door panes (door cards) separated at the top. They were replaced under warranty also. Besides that I just had rattles that I tracked down and fixed.
This was on a 991.1 Carrera S PDK. I loved the car but was a bit concerned owning it out of warranty so I sold it.
Thanks Jim.
WTF???
I watched this video only now in Nov 2021. My 2017 991.2 had a water pump issue under warranty. Also the coolant reservoir cracked and was leaking some coolant. The last thing was a squeak from the left rear of the car which turned out to be a strut bushing that needed some grease. One last thing-not the fault of the car- was that a rat chewed two wiring harnesses in the car which resulted in the car being in the shop for 4-5 months and a $30,000 repair bill which was luckily covered by insurance. I have since gone to great lengths to rat proof my garage!
991.1 is just perfect.
If you're a fan of Glorified VW's
WHAT THE FUCK???
@@dinopappous6639 i wonder why someone would waste their time coming to a video like this if they arent even a fan of the car? seems like you have an issue lol
@@AB-sr9mc like I said if you're a fan of glorified Volkswagens
Have you done a video like this for the 997?
No 7 Regarding brake Squeal: This could be caused by glazing on the brake pad which occurs when brakes dont get worked very hard, ie driven at slow speed. Solution would be to get some speed up 60/70 mph (check your rear mirror) and press the brake nice and firmly until car comes to a complete stop, keep doing this a few times, this should clear the glazing, alternativately, you could remove the brake pads and give them a light scrub with a fine sandpaper.
Option 1 sounds more fun
Tried that, and more, no luck.
Picking up a 2007 Carreras turbo. That’s a sexy 911. Mint condition
The b-pillar and c-pillars on my 991 both had rattles. The trim pieces can be removed pretty easily with a little care, and when thy are, you will discover metal clips, plastic on plastic friction points, and all manner of noise inducing things. My advice - buy felt tape and soft insulating foam. With patience and diligence, I have eliminated many noises. And each time I’ve found new ones! Good luck!
Thanks Chris.
Damn the porsche is beautifull
1. Broke the driver side window switch (plastic clip broke off when closing the window) - replaced not happened again
2. High pitch sound from the Burmester / Navi - replaced the unit not happened again
3. Seats did not react to the pre-set buttons, or going back when opening car - rest by moving seat all the way front/back
No other issues, 50,000 miles
Worst window switches I have ever seen. Mine broke long ago and I cannot pull out the panel to put in a new panel as the wires are short and tightly fitted. Those switches belong on a $15,000 car.
I had a blank out issue with the display on my 991 2015 Cab S. There is a reset procedure on the internet. Only did it once. No more issues
Watching this just reminded me why I gave up on the brand a number of years ago, thank you.
I’m considering the same thing. Porsche is known for using bad parts over and over again and then have their customers pay for it. Or more importantly make money off of these known faults. Pathetic
Just bought a used 911. Pretty sure it’s a 991 anyway. So this video helps.
I have a 991.2 carrera S with 24000 miles . Bought Porsche approved thank god. I have replaced rear coil springs ( cracked), air con pipe work( leak), new water pump and pipe work, new air oil separator, new turbo oil system, new turbo’s. New vacuum lines for brakes. All covered under warranty, basically got a new car!. I would not have one with Porsche warranty. I didn’t ask what the repairs would have cost but they were working on the car for 2 weeks so at least 60 hours at £150 per hour plus the parts cost . The turbos alone are 4k each . Love the car still though and will gladly pay £1200 for the Porsche warranty😂
A serious issue that many owners of the 2012 & 2013 Porsche cars is the failed glue on door side panels. Apparently there was an issue with a batch of glue at the factory and as a consequence the door panels become detached and raise up. Porsche is well aware of this issue but has not been willing to rectify the problem if it is beyond the warranty period, I’m currently trying to find contacts where I can further escalate the issue as they are quoting $5k to replace both panels.
If you still have this problem and you are inclined to do so you can use a bit of bondo plastic repair with clamps to fix this.
another great video! I am looking to buy a 911 turbo (keeping my 2003 boxter). I was thinking 2012 or 2014. Any insight?
Go 2014.
Forgot that horns go bad in porsche often
Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!
faults in porsche boxster/cayman please. especially the 718 :) thanks
The 718 is plagued with the padm problem as well. Expensive and can happen at anytime. Ask me how I know.
I know this is an old video...
7 speed manual- clutch disk clips break off, it’s 911, boxers and caymans
And all drilled rotors squeal! It’s break dust in the holes and unless you use a qtip daily to clean the holes out you will still get squealing... good video tho
Top of the door panel has a tendency to delaminate and bulge upward. Happens on 991's with the standard interior (i.e. without full leather on the doors). It's been reported on both 991.1 and 991.2 models and unfortunately the entire door panel needs to be replaced (around 3500$ USD)
tom agotchi My 991 had this, it was fixed under warranty.
WTF???
Dash warning light that wing has a malfunction when raising at speed. There is a plastic part on the internal wing that holds a spring. The plastic breaks due to spring pressure and the wing no longer works. Search rennlist and you will see posts. $5k replacement. Several people developed their own solution if you are mechanically inclined.
OK since you are into selling diagnostic testers, which one is "bi-directional" and has "free lifetime updates" and which one works well on a P991?
PCM constantly rebooting itself. I've had it replaced three times now and it STILL does it. Bluetooth not always connecting. Brake squeal, knocking when slow turning... 991.1 S 2015
Hi is the 997 better they the 991 or 992, Thank you for your help.
7. Brake squeal is normal for performance brake pads. Half a dozen hard braking events should clear up the squeal for a little while.
Absolutely correct. I’ve owned 7 Porsches, this happens on all of them and is easily remedied as you said.
Pdk stuck in gear...broken window switch...seats not reacting to memory settings
What about engine bay lid or bonnet not opening, think the cable has slipped out the latch
I started my car yesterday and every possible fault indication came onto the screen. Its annoying. The battery is fine. I also scanned the car and doesn't show any faults. Any help ???
So I have a new 992 and was wondering what are the major failure points on the 991.2 engine... I understand the water pump is by far the largest... how does the engine do with regards to keeping the intake vales clean due to it being a Direct Injection car now.
Good luck getting rid of brake squeal lol. 911 turbo same thing
I'm on my 5th Porsche, and am now for the first time, at the mercy of the questionable intelligence of the Porsche engineers. The brakes squeal so loud you can hear them over a city block away. Tried all the suggestions on you tube, no luck. Now, I'm going to start over: new rotors pads hardware, etc. Definitely ruins the driving experience. I made the mistake of leaving the key in the ignition-dead battery. So dead i can't open the hood. Tried to put power to the little pullout thingy on the fusebox, no luck. Now, I've got to pull the left front tire off, and remove the inner fender well and pull on a little cable. Hope I can find it. I wish I had access to the child genius who thought up this insane gimmick. I've had it. Over 20 years without a single problem with 4 other Porsches, and now this. Anyone want to buy a slightly used Carrera S ?
thanks
Dude.
1. There is detailed video by Porsche about the brake squeal, cause, dynamics and yup you’re done. If you want brakes that behave like Porsche brakes with their composites and design you get squeals on some cars. Of course they will try and improve but they won’t put lack of noise over performance. Live with it. We all do.
2. If you ask any senior Porsche technician they will tell you to get your car to 60mph or higher and mash the brakes like a deer is exactly 100 feet in front of you. Do that three times and the squeal goes away, for a while...
Cheers Alexandre, I do recall seeing the video yes. I did take it to Porsche technician, and they never offered any advice about losing the squeal, they just told me they would need to take the braking system apart and do a full check which would not be covered under the warranty.
They can make all the excuses they like, its just not acceptable in my opinion. Don't get the brake squeal on other high end cars.
WTF???
And we're expected to accept that? I certainly expected more from Porsche.
I just came across this informative video. I've had my 991.1 (C4S) for 3 years (2015 CPO purchased Spring 2017 with 9K miles) and have had a few of the problems listed.
All were covered and fixed under warranty.
They were as follows:
1. Heater Blower Resistor Failure
2. Active Engine Mount Failure
3. Brake Squeal, still occurs, usually at very low speeds when parallel parking, but not constant.
4. High Level Brake Light Failure, I believe it has to do with the wire harness of the rear wing which can fail due to the rear spoiler wing motion.
5. Air Box Valve Failure, No Warning Indicator, I noticed a "Low Humming Sound" usually in Sport Mode. It was inspected and I was informed that 1 of the valves in the airbox failed.
6. Radio Head Unit Failure, vehicle sat for 3 weeks and on start up the head unit, though there was power, would not play any audio through the radio, bluetooth, CD, or ipod.
I Love Mine and I hope there won't be too many others, but a German Car is exactly that, A German Car.
I have a 2017 991.2 carrera s convertible
WHAT THE FUCK???
I too have had the padm failure. Expensive problem to pass along to Porsche customers
#6 at 13:46
So... you are saying if you remove a certain fuse from the fuse box, the Stop/Start function can be disabled ?
i was thinking that this would be a great way to disable this annoying function...now to figure out which fuse has to go in the bin
I had the pdk problem, it would kick in neutral when change from 1 to 2 in PASM mode. First Dubai porsche reset the gearbox then after 2month forth and back they changed it. $$$
I live in Dubai and I have a 991.2 carrera s convertible
WTF???
Air vents popped out, brake squeak only gets worse, and door panels are loose.
The glue they used on the door cards is crap. I had to replace my door cards after a few years. YOU CANNOT REGLUE THEM YOURSELF.
I've noticed that the engine seems to almost rattle on its mounts when I shift in lower gears before wringing the engine out (as you would in traffic). I was told it's normal but I will say it's odd. I also get a lot of sounds that I'd describe as flexing. It's not a rattle, it's more like kinda squeeking sounds. It's tough to describe. I'm also suspicious that the stereo isn't calibrated or not all the speakers are working. It's a loud car but still... Bose should be ashamed.
Key word is "MIGHT", so don't worry about it.
PDK is replacement part as whole transition, if clutch pack is gone or any thing internal, you pay over 20000$ USD to replace the whole transition.
Sounds like a good deal.
I think you'll find the word is transmission, transition is a whole other thing entirely, just saying.
@@masmainster I transmission.....you know what I mean
None of your issues happened with me ...
It seems like you never tracked your car. A few hard stops would heat up the pads enought to make the noise go away. That's normal.
EXACTLY i own a 2013 991 ive had since new and never had an issue
Had to replace the high pressure fuel pump, had reduced power warning light. Start stop stopped working, I replaced the battery and all fine. 991 3.4. , also front wish bones had worn out and failed MOT so they were also replaced.
I bought my 991 8 years ago in 2013 and never had an issue I dont get these people brealing their cars
My start stop never activates and im keeping it that way haha
Everything seems minor except the engine mounts and pdk problems. Was seriously considering buying a 2012 Carreras s with relatively low miles on it. But now not so much
Just had the engine mount problem today
@@ryanross9429 bummer
@@ryanross9429 bummer
Centric Brake Pads for Porsche 991 /911! No noise, totally took the squeak away in my 2012.5 991 S Cab. Also very low dust. I have almost 10K on them and the dealership says they are still at 80%. Hard to believe. And they are cheap.
8 year period? "Will break"? Click bait title on info that's really too vague to be of much use. Manufacturers typically address bugs, which occur with greater frequency when a new model is introduced. Tpically, bugs affect limited production years, and hear neither specific model years affected, nor TSBs are given...Crap. My 991.2 has over 11K miles, and I don't have any of these issues. What year car did you own?
Your car has barely any miles. Not much of a judge of how the car will be. Go put 40k more miles on it and then see what happens. Ask me how I know.
dynamic engine mounts and changeover valves total flaws
Does bacon taste better when you fry it!!!
i love my porsche brake squeal, why would you want that gone? not even joking
For starters, I've been a Porsche fan since I was about eight years old. I've been to the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart twice, I've been to the Porsche Automuseum Helmut Pfeifhofer in Gmünd in Kärnten, Austria twice, to the original factory where they built the first 356 in the late 40s just up the road from there, and to the summer residence of Porsche in Zell am See, Austria. So yes, I am more than just an enthusiast.
BUT I am disappointed with the used 2015 991 Carrera 4 GTS that I bought from my local Porsche dealer in 2018. It might be used, but it only had 157 kms on it (yes, 97 miles) when it was 3y and 1m old. A great car and heavily optioned. So why is it with a mere 4692 kms (2915 miles) I have a coolant leak from the plastic pipe at the thermostat housing. I've seen many cases on the net about this leak. Really, no big deal since I perform maintenance on everything from motorcycles to cars to aircraft. But I would expect that at 10 years and 200,000 kms.
Really Porsche! Here is a car that cost at least 6 times the price of a Toyota and Honda that I used to own and you cannot get it right. And by the way, those Toyota and Honda that I bought new were over 14 years old each when I sold them to friends and I never had an issue. It is a good thing I still have my "air cooled" 1995 Porsche 911 (993), a real Porsche!
Have a 2015 Porsche 911 turbo
At 15,700 miles the PADM light came on which stands for Porsche active dynamic motor mounts were bad. Common problem and can happen at anytime any mileage. Cost from dealer 5,480 plus 250.00 diagnostic fee so about 5,700 total. Porsche expects its good customers to pay for this. He talks about this in his Video. Problem number 3 in his video. How pathetic is it to have this go out on a 15k mileage car. Reliable I don’t think so. My 30 year old Ferrari has been more dependable than this car honestly. Called Porsche USA 7 times and would not help with this or return my calls. This happens on many of their cars and they still use these mounts.
I have to object to your claim that no car in history has been without flaws. My '94 Plymouth Acclaim would still be running problem free today were it not for the fact that the body rusted right through from our Canadian winters. RIP.
i have a my16 .1 manual, nothing on your list has happened to me. knock on wood, this car is my dd and has been bullet proof
Why does this base 911 look like a gt3 touring and doesn't even have sport chrono? I cant stand when ppl try to make a car look 120k more then what it is.
How do ypu burn bacon!!??
Most performance brake squeals
As for PDK gearbox is not a common problem you where one of the unlucky ones. Is normal for any car to have problems in a production line. I own a 991.1 and have 50,000km mileage and have none of the issues mentioned.
break squeel cuz race car
Carbon ceramics
All performance brakes squeal. It's normal, usually goes away after a car wash
Good informative video but man it's so noisy. car noise, wind noise, road noise, music, and trying to hear you talking.
I'll wait a purchase until Porsche fixes break squeal
Brake squeal is not a fault per-se. As mentioned it's down to build up on brake surfaces. I have an Aston Martin Carbon edition with carbon brakes and it happens on that. A series of hard braking (3-4 times) from 50/60mph will solve for a while, but be prepared to do it again as the build up will return. Go buy a Porsche and enjoy.
Never had brake squeal and I am on my 3rd 911 a 911s 991. I used to get it on my tuned S4 but went away.
My big surprise at 28k miles and one for the dealer was a complete VTS (vehicle tracking system) shut down rendering the car non startable! It would start for second or two like normal but then shut off - as designed to do if it were stolen. Had to be towed and ~ $3000 repair bill. Not a fun experience and frustrating knowing Porsche put it in the car so THEY could track it - for instance bought in Canada and resold in Russia against company policy. They would not replace out of warranty.
Appreciate the video but background music is too loud and practically annoying. Thank you.
This could be the "luckiest" Porsche owner on the planet with only 9 complaints. When you consider all the different electrical components, sensors, relays, solenoids etc. that a so cheaply and poorly made on these cars, this guy got off very easy. Add to that the mechanical problems that go wrong with all German cars and it is a recipe for disaster. The average person thinks they are getting the finest engineering available today and in truth, it is some of the worst...AND MOST EXPENSIVE TO FIX when things go wrong. Some people do get off without a major drain to their bank account but if you keep these cars, you will eventually learn what so many others have learned. You can choose to believe the advertising or do your homework. You can also pick any part that you might have to replace and compare the cost of replacing that part to most other cars. If spending money doesn't bother you, enjoy your car while you can.
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Re the rattling battery cover, you are not fitting it correctly. The rubber gasket that seals the front boot should be peeled back gently where it touches, and allowed to overlap the plastic battery cover. That's how they come from the factory and I have never had a problem.
Re the brake squeal, I had a Cayman S (987) that suffered extreme brake squeal. I got the same stupid answer that it is normal (I have had lot's of stupid answers from Porsche dealerships). I tried everything re braking and technique to cure it and avoid it without success. But that was one of 5 Porsche's I have owned and there was no problem with the other 4. I live in a city where Porsche's are ridiculously common and I do not hear brake squeal everywhere. So yes it is a fault. To be fair, the Porsche dealership did solve the problem in the end by their mechanic crashing my car and writing it off while it was in for its first service.
Regarding Break Squeal:
ua-cam.com/video/fUNHb9O52WQ/v-deo.html
This the explanatory video from Porsche for people like you.
I heard only one minor thing that actually broke for you (#1). Everything mentioned is you either not understanding how the car works (normal behavior and a reason for it) or just here-say. Just because one person had a failure or you read some whining on forums, doesn't mean every car will have this happen. Your one failure is actually normal...it's quit often all new cars have at least 1-2 minor things fail the first year after normal driving/breaking in then everything else is rock solid for 10-15 years. All cars have or develop rattles unfortunately (new or old)...if you can't tolerate this, just don't own a car.
those people whining on forums are similar to the ones whining on UA-cam.
Nick Eckemoff - sensible comment well said
A car that was produced that has amazing reliability and I've never heard of bore scoring: Toyota 1.6, 1.8, 3.5 engines. Honda B series 1.6, 1.8, 2.2 engines and Porsche Air Cooled 993s. I can go on all day. No matter where I check it seems that the 996, 997, and 991 are all at risk from bore scoring. And the repair is ultra expensive. LN Engineering and F6I are all $30K for a basic engine rebuild. No thanks. Hard Pass.
Holy shit that background music ruined this video.... Absolutely no more background music, I have no idea why you thought putting in background music was a good idea.
Bought my 991.1 2014 used with 85k Kilometers. None of your described probs occurred to me. Your video seems to be clickbait to me. Sorry. Knocking while steering is explained and normal. LOVE MY 991
I owned a 2013 911 4S, great for the first 3 years then.......MONEY PIT. Not sure what is going on but these German cars (& I have owned them all, VW, Audi, Mercedes & Porsche) all aesthetically pleasing, they drive and handle incredibly BUT.... if you want one. LEASE IT... then give it back. Owning one long term is just throwing away your money to keep it running.
I have a 991.2 and i had these break squeal. And i brought the car back to porsche center. and it was rust between the wheels and the disks. so stupid. just remove your allow wheels and remove the rust. that's it!
Brake squeal is a serious issue worth mentioning? What a whiner!
I have no issues with the PCCB brakes on mine. Strange because everyone tells me they squeal. Nice thing is...no brake dust...so far.
Why wouldn’t they break? 2000 moving parts, metal against metal, lubricated by oil. The future is in high tech EVs, anyone who spends money on an ice is just investing in “old technology “.
shepherdsknoll8 EV is sad...soulless driving
Bro you basically took a big dump on the whole car who’s gonna buy a car after that
What is the purpose of this video? I have owned a 996, 991.2 and Cayman GT4. No such issues whatsoever. Best reliable cars in my experience so far! Bar none.
Man u bought a lemon simple
I'm sorry, I only made it 1min into the video. I can't take you seriously if you can't even pronounce the name correctly...
How could this happen ?
Porsches are German !!
They're supposed to have UBER QUALITY ?
Answer...OVERGLORIFIED VW's !!! FORZA ALFA BABY !!!!
Dino Pappous 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 or u a bot or a troll don't ever try To compare reliability with u owning an Alfa. FCA is worst than shitty it's UNBELIEVABLE
OK Redgei boy.....Giulia and Stelvio....BEST IN CLASS !!! Fastest around Nurburgring !!!! I own Giulia Quadrifoglio and Stelvio Ti Sport.....My Quad blows 911's away all day long....Don't drink the GERMAN KOOL AID Redgie boy....Jim "Klaus" Jones is pouring....the truth hurts....Porsche = Glorified VW !!! Giulia and Stelvio are Ferrari derived....nothing to do with FCA !!!
FORZA ALFA BABY !!!......Don't take that turn to fast Redgei boy....they put the engine in the wrong part of your Porsche...wouldn't want to see you spinning like a top !!!
Dino Pappous HAHA HAHAHA oh shit best in class said by Who? 2nd we all know the built quality of cars from FCA. 3rd ur Quadrifoglio blowing Porsche 911 on the track? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 u drink to much ristretto or what? Ur car after 2 laps will go limp mode or will lose the brakes
Poor Redge....you are obviously drinking the German Kool Aid....The Alfa Giulia and Stelvio, which in Quadrifoglio version have set the fastest lap times at Nurburgring (smoking 911's...not my opinion...facts...look it up), have nothing to do with FCA....they were developed off an all new Ferrari engineered platform (Giorgio platform) ....class best chassis, engine, steering , suspension, etc, etc ,etc....The word you're looking for is "build" quality ....I guess you've never been in a 911 that had rattling sounds coming from under the front hood plastic shroud or the "A" and "C" pillars because they all suffer from this....but, if you're drinking the Kool Aid, you accept it because you are blind to the facts.....Legendary marque of high performance...Vitorio Jano, Carlo Chitti, Ascari, Fangio, Nuvolari....Yikes, Porsche has Ferdinand Peich and Hitler....Hmmm, I'll pass....FORZA ALFA BABY !!!
Dino Pappous Lol again best overall yes but best engine in the Class is the AMG'S 4.0 V8. Best châssis NOPE BMW retook the crown with the M3/M4 CS. And u want to talk about Hitler but don't Forget ur friend Mussolini huh. So when I'm telling u don't know shit u don't know shit. The only thing developped by Ferrari for Alfa was the engine and they took the engineer who did the châssis dynamic for the 458. But don't worry Alfa Will never get the build quality or Racing pedigree that Porsche has ;)
If you want a bullet proof trouble free car buy Japanese.