@@SeeChadRun I have owned 10 and 11. There is literally no difference between 10, 11 , 12 and 13 in terms of image quality. I have decided to not upgrade until they make any significant improvement in that department. You are not missing out at all.
Did a nice job. An "under-the-hood" feature no reviewer has talked about is the built-in timecode for multicam projects. I do use this for all my projects with the QRcontrol app to sync all at the beginning of a shoot. It makes it easy to then sync in post. I also have used a "pre-post" software called Multi-View HD Pro 2, which allows viewing up to 8 simultaneous videos, in sync, in various sizes and on different screens. It's ability to do all this without waiting for rendering or building proxies is pretty amazing.
Just stopped by to say “Too late GoPro, gave you four years to get it right.” Even with the 13 you still don’t get it. “Low light, less glitches, and no overheating.” All things DJI took care of. I went to a company, even if I’m not thrilled it’s a Chinese one, that listens and most of all that delivers. So, GoPro you can keep your useless add ons and ridiculous, expensive prices and find yourself a new CEO that actually listens to their customers.
As a person who bought the 13 hero black this camera has been amazing so far. As for the low light issue we still have a 14 coming out they will eventually make a GoPro for that lol 😂
What we wanted: 1. Bigger Sensor 2. Better Low Light Performance 3. Fast charging 4. More rugged battery which don't get puffed up 5. Better video quality rather than oil painted looking like low quality videos 6. Some more free Accessories like DJI case and underwater case 7. Reliability 8. Don't have to set the date again and again its annoying 9. improved Bluetooth mic connectivity 10. smaller and secure mic adapter which wont make the Shit pro heavy and vulnerable to water and dust. What we got? 1. Gimmicky Lenses... 2. Non Backward Compatibility to older batteries...
I don't know why you're so positive about the new gopro! everybody's been waiting for a real upgrade, but gopro don't wanna do anything but charge people more money, I understand tho, you have to do it, it's your job,
Love what they've done with the mount, it really looks like the best of both worlds!!! Well done 👏 And that macro lens looks like very useful for normal traveling situations
Hi Dave, your videos are always high quality and content is definitely informative as always. Keep up the great work 💪 watching from South Africa 🇿🇦 Cape Town
Disappointed. A new battery format= a new charger :( No improvement in low light,which I consider most to be done. Staying with my GP12, as for now[and then ;) ] edit- and it means a new set of batteries😡 can I exchange 5 of mine into new ones,GoPro?
GoPro...sorry but your time is up, when the old Action 4 is better than the new Hero 13, you gotta start realising that you messed up… NOT gonna upgrade my gopro 9 for gopro 13. Now waiting for osmo action5…
Yep same sensor. In good light I still think it looks great with its 5.3K resolution but in low light it would have been nice to see some improvements.
@@ChaseTheSummit This is true, but it is also true for an iPhone 12 :) - just doesn't feel like GoPro are trying at the moment. 3 year old sensor, smaller than all competition, but now with an expensive manual focus macro lens? - hmm.
@@DigiDriftZone the macro lens is $129... not too bad. And I actually like it quite a bit as someone who often takes close up shots (for this channel). I always end up taking out my phone to get close shots, now I can do it all with GoPro... But yeah. I agree it could be better!
@@ChaseTheSummit Is that lens good enough to replace an iPhone for macro though? - the manual focus though and once you factor in a few accessories it does push the total price up quite a bit. Great review, thank you, I think I will stick to my Action 4 for now :)
Great video as always!! Unfortunately for what we do, this might be the first GoPro I skip in 9 years 😢. Maybe a new sensor and better low light next year???
DJI Action 5 Pro is coming out in less than a week (according to rumours) so hold off and get that if you want a better action camera with a much larger sensor.
@@ChaseTheSummit Time has already shown with earlier models. More reliable, faster, more endurance, faster charging. For me, reliability and charging speed are the most important. That's why I got rid of the GoPro and got the OA4. But what annoys me the most is the way GoPro is marketing new products. UA-camrs are handing out cameras, all UA-camrs have more or less the same mustr of conclusion. Old bugs are carried over to the new generations (overheating, reliability, remote control issues, memory card sensitivity). You're one of the few who responds to critical comments. The others seem to be forbidden to do so. Either way, I look forward to comparing the OA5 Pro to the Hero13 Black.
Here GoPro disappointed, this is just a new design, GPS and slightly better battery life. I don't understand why they do this?. Are they trying to dethrone themselves?Well I hope they sell well, we need GoPro. They have been leading, but not anymore. Unfortunately
I have been loyal with gopro since hero 8 but after watching this video I am tempted to buy chines product. I have waited for months for this and i am very disappointed. Now I don't know what to do cause i hate those chines products.
They continue to lead regardless… in June they sold their 50millionth camera so no other manufacturer comes close to that… I am disappointed the bitrate hasn’t increased in the 13 but the new nd filter system does look excellent…
I just subscribed, man. Great review! I already have the 12 black. I think I'm gonna keep it since they have the same sensor I wait for the bigger sensor great in low light. Thanks, man!
Interesting that the Macro lens fits the older models. This makes me think a firmware update could be coming to allow for backwards compatibility. If that was the case, then this may be the first upgrade that I skip in quite a few years! Because that macro lens is a killer feature.
It seems like they won't be adding the function to Hero 12 unfortunately... The lens SORTA fits but also sorta doesn't. I really had to force it on there.
I continue to use my GoPro 10 with additional enduro batteries with a charger and accessories. Everything that came out newer than 11, 12, 13 is just minor improvements (and in the case of 12, the lack of GPS is even worse). The quality of version 10 in most shooting scenarios is no different from any newer version. In the dark, all action cameras shoot terribly, they are not designed for this. Thanks for the review!
First, great job on this video! You covered a lot of ground. My thoughts....as a GoPro12, 11, 10, etc. user. It's unfortunate both the batteries and the ND filters of the GoPro 13 are NOT backward compatible. I'm hugely invested into the GoPro ecosystem and this is a bit of a disappointment to me. Clearly, buying additional batteries and additional ND filters just for the GoPro13 increases my overall purchase price.
GoPro bright daylight action footage is superior. The thing is that most of my outdoor events, like running, biking, hiking, triathlon or skiing - start with pre-dawn, pre-event footage. I'd like improvements to low light for one camera to cover the day. A bit disappointed this year. But I'm still rolling with GoPro.
Excellent discussion of the improvements in the GP13, but how about audio? I need an easy way to use my wireless microphone without having to spend a small fortune. Did GP address that?
Nice walk-through! I might stick with the GP 11 for now though and wait for a better sensor. Also, did you get the beginning of the ND filter section wrong? With an ND filter you will get longer shutter times and more blur/problems with the stabilisation.
@@ChaseTheSummit Ok, I see. I bet it will be a compromise though. Might be good to set the shutter manually or use GoPro labs to limit how slow it can get.
Damn dave you have had a week!!! Well done with all the uploads ! My question - i dont have an action camera but id like to have one I trail run, i rock climb and hike a ton If you had to choose one action camera out them all- DJI, GOPRO, INSTA whatever.. what would you choose? - and why
Ha yes! Busy! It's tough to choose an action camera with so many good options. The GoPro looks the best in "good light" in my opinion. It's got great colors resolution and dynamic range. The DJI Action and Insta Ace Pro look great in lower light situations. I think the DJI Action is a nice hybrid between the two.
It kind of attaches but it won't screw all of the way on and if you can get it to there's no "macro" setting in the camera so the image may look weird.
@@TVNetworld as mentioned you can't physically seat the lens all the way on the Hero 12 so it's not possible to use the lens. On top of that there's no macro setting in the camera either.
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks for your reply! i agree about phones doing much better in low light. i'm itching to try a gopro hero 13 after your video. the new features are interesting. for my use case, runs and hikes, recording in low light is kind of a bad experience regardless of which action camera i use, so the sensor size is not a factor at all.
I don’t have a GoPro was waiting for 13 to come out. I believe it’s a great do it all option to start trying to make quality UA-cam content similar to yours but it will definitely be a slow big learning curve for me and a massive anxiety to overcome posting videos. I’ll probably get the 13 due to GoPro wide selection of accessories and ease of use plus even if you spent 1,000 on go pro plus all lenses and other things it would still be 80% as good as a camera that cost 5x I believe anyways especially if you don’t get the camera settings right which for a newbie will be an extra learning curve. Anyways I feel this will be a good option I can make content can even use it as a high resolution webcam if needed.
Should I return my hero12 for the 13? I just purchased the creator bundle 2 weeks ago and have until Monday to return it, Should I make the switch? I make trucking videos
I had high hopes for the Hero 13, specifically that the camera sensor would be improved with something similar to the Ace Pro. I was ready to buy the 13 but I think I'll just stick with my Hero 10 until next year in hopes that the Hero 14 is significantly improved.
All of this are accesories! They can make them work 100% on the 12 with a firmware uppdate! But they won't do that thinking people are gonna buy the 13! But this will just desapoint the fans even more!
Exactly, only thing i am interested is that anamorphic lens but since its not backward compatible with GP12 i will skip it. I am using DJI pocket 3 mainly now, gp only for harsh environment and underwater shoots.
I owned action cams ages ago so kinda coming in new, I am thinking if its worth to get the hero 13, macro lens, tripod, and case. or just get the bundle hero 13. I feel i will get the 13 hero over the 12 hero. The macro does sound kind of good as a all in 1 lens when traveling.
I want a Narrow field of view option back (the last GoPro with it is the 10), and so far I only see it for 720p slomo in the one image I've seen so far. I also think a zoom lens that can do at least 2x zoom would be good, as it allows people to shoot content that's a bit farther away.
Backwards compatibility on accessories is a great concept. But then again - that media mod (for the TRS jack they keep forgetting) is still a pain with battery swaps. I use GoPro for wannabee handy man content, and macro lens and magnetic mount sounds useful.
Would this magnetic mount be able to connect the camera a power rack in the gym? Would be super convenient to be able to stick it to a rack and move it around like do with a GO3.
I think the $199 camera is the better option based on all this. The extra lenses are cool, but idk if it's worth it. It seems a lot of this is software improvements. With how much cell camera has improved, and all the other options for small cameras GoPro needed to do more hardware improvements. I'd love to see more...
What do you think about the overheating of the GoPro 13 camera. I have a GoPro Hero 11 and when I record driving inside the car, it inevitably overheats during the summer. Thank you! Greetings from Croatia! (with a little help of google translation)
GoPro is unable to introduce real improvements…the sensor - which is the reason why GoPro lags behind the competition - is still the same! Changing lenses on an action camera is useless as it conflicts with the very nature of action cameras. Insta360 and DJI are way better
Kinda agree about the lesnses but also disagree ,I fly fpv and definitely want to be able to swap a damaged lense also be nice to be able to use the camera for a broader range of used with extra lenses imo. Like you don't have to buy them
@@ChaseTheSummit thank you and I appreciate your recommendation, after doing some research I have decided and just ordered the Dji Osmo Action 5 Pro. I hope I wont regret it.
What no one talks about is processing the 5.3k video. My Sony Vegas Pro 19 can barely process the video. Also, your viewers need to know that 12 doesn’t have GPS overlays.
h264/h265 footage should be fairly easy to process on most modern day computers and even some phones. But yes, if your computer is a bit older or you're using software that has a hard time decoding it it can be a challenge. In terms of the Hero 12, correct... no GPS but this is a Hero 13 review.
Hi, does the current Max Lens Mod 2.0 work on the 13? What about the magnetic charger cable offered separately....their site promo videos show pins on the side and the new charger costs extra, so does the 13 still have the standard USB C inside the battery compartment?
Yes, there's a manual setting to enable it. Yes, still has USB-C for charging. The "Contacto" charger is an accessory designed to let you charge and use your GoPro outdoors in the elements while maintaining waterproof enclosure.
Gopro stated it's only compatible with Hero 13 and up. However, it will likely mount but the footage won't be automatically desqueezed. You may need to do that manually. I guess time wil ltell!
the max lens doesn't give you a wider shot, it just allows you to use horizon leveling while on ultra wide and slightly lowers the distortion of ultra wide. it dose not give a wider angle view.
Still love my gopro 7 black and for me it's more about the same. I will buy a new one but I wanna try a 360 camera so that leads me to the insta360 x4.
I have the 8 and had similar opinion, got an X4 and Insta360 Go3. Love the versatility of both of them, neither are a direct competitor to Go Pro but find I gravitate to the Go3 more. Love its small form factor and the Insta360 app. When I do upgrade my GoPro, I'll probably replace with Insta360 Ace or Osmo Action. Go Pro seems to now be lagging behind.
The real question is did the actual solve the thermal problem? It better be given the batteries are not backwards compatible. Sounds like it is better but come on this has been a problem for at least the last 3 years. Little sad about the low light performance not improving at all.
My complaint is, all these UA-camrs showing the "Legit kit" with all the lenses but if you look for it, it's still not available! It was a month ago this video was made, and there is quite a few unboxing videos with this kit including the camera, and all the lenses, but no price, can't even buy the kit if you want to. Obviously I'm not going to buy the camera alone, now that I've seen these videos on the Legit kit. I am tempted to just buy a DJI they wouldn't give a bunch of UA-camrs a kit to show people and it's not available plus Gopro 13 cameras are not backwards compatible with older Gopro camera batteries, and they still haven't fixed the over heating problem, if you don't use external batteries. This company really knows how to piss people off!.... Rant over!
@@ChaseTheSummit That's exactly what I mean about knowing how to piss people off! Why would they give it to promoters to open on video and not make it available to customers 😒. I am not going to buy a Gopro 13 if I can't buy a Legit kit. Thanks for making the video and your reply. I guess I'm going to wait to see if the 14 will actually solve the real issue before I buy another Gopro anyways.
@@dgutie8 DJI had magnetic mounts too. As mentioned though I think GoPros is the best because it gives you options, feels more secure and is reversible.
This GoPro really shows this is as far an American company can get when it comes to camera tech, 13 iterations yet the can’t fit a one inch sensor inside the GoPro, the Osmo Pocket 3 which is smaller and came out more than a year already have an one inch sensor on it.
DJI Action cameras still doesn't have a 1" sensor though only Pocket because it has autofocus. There's a reason... Thermals and optics. These cameras don't have auto focus so making a 1" sensor work with a fixed focus lens would result in a real bad minimum focus distance. We'll see what happens with the other brands though!
Kinda, except in a bomb-proof case that you can strap on the outside of your car or to your dirtbike helmet. Do you trust your iPhone in those situations?
They're both good. In good light I prefer GoPro... in low light I prefer Ace Pro. It would be great to have a hybrid of both... but we're not there yet.
I totally agree. The allure to a simple action camera is grab and go. The added lenses are useful for certain situations though like in my content I often take up-close shots of watches and that's where the macro lens is amazing! But it's really going to boil down to your use case!
It feels a little bit like GoPro is doing the apple thing. First of all I love that there are new features like the different lenses and fast shutter. But on the other hand it has some big flaws that should've been easy to fix. Besides that I think it's unnecessary to change the design of the battery, so you NEED to buy a completely new one and that it is also stupid to not make the lenses backwards comparable. It's just a software update, but like apple they want you to buy the new one not just the lenses. Also I think the sensor that detects which lens is attached has the potential to kill third party lenses. And important features like lowlight or advanced settings are just not there. It would be such a relief to have the settings the camera is actually capable of on hand in the camera settings like on normal cameras so you don't have to use labs and shit that isn't nearly as convenient. And what kinda pisses me off is that these are all things that could be improved right now even for every previous camera, but they won't do it, because: Money. Of course if these things would be implemented natively less people would buy the new cameras, but GoPros image would be one of a kind. And maybe its not the best idea in terms of innovation to release a new camera every fucking year. I know that it's better in terms of business, I guess that innovation times longer than a year would improve a lot of the problems. But as this doesn't seem to change I think someone else is needed to get not even innovation but improvement on things that are getting better at a far lower pace than necessary.
Overheating still sounds like its a thing. Same sensor, I could care less about the lenses. The only benefit is the SLIGHTLY longer run times. Another swing, Another massive miss from gopro
@ChaseTheSummit Guess we will see. Significantly improved still isnt gone tho lol. With gopro lacking in every other aspect when it comes to specs against its competitors. Gopro really needed to not overheat and a long battery life to keep customers and a bigger sensor really. But it seems to fail on all of that
@@fourwheelerjock GoPro only lags in low light thts it!! Everything is better with 12, i have been using GoPro 12 from 2 months are not a single time this gets shut off randomly, hdr video are dope, even the footage u compare with dji in day time the GoPro is superior be it dynamic range, color etc ppl are crying abt 8k? Where u gonna use it, most of the ppl won't have the resources to edit those massively heavy 8k files, where u gonna see it?? 5k is absolutely the best resolution even if u want to crop the video & zoom in GoPro did good with 13 rather than giving gimmicky features
@Tansixtygp Do you shoot 4K60 for more then 20 minutes straight tho lol. I turn my camera on and don't touch it for 2.5-3 hours straight for shows I film for. Sorry, But everything I have experienced. The 12 over heats around that mark. Specially on hot days in 80+ degree weather
@Tansixtygp Secondly I could care less about 8K or higher resolutions so idk where you got that from. I just want 4k60 without over heating what so ever and a better sensor and longer battery as well.
Would love a larger sensor. However, in good light I still think the 5.3K from a GoPro looks nicer than a lot of the competition. But low light could certainly use some improvements!
@@ChaseTheSummit if you actually use Dji drone , Dji osmo action 3,4 . Dji pocket 3, you wouldn't ask that, from battery life, usability, quality, durability, low low light, no freeze, no over heating, price , eco system even the dji mic 2 can be used wireless seamless from the pocket to the action camera. in every department. Gopro only living off it's name I stop using them am not just paying for a name,
The footage looks terrible with the ND filter. As I suspected, it messes up the Hypersmooth, so I'm not sure why they're acting like this is so great, lol. There have been ND filters for Gopro's since the Hero 4! But unless the camera is sitting still, there isn't much use for them due to the Hypersmooth not working very well.
@@ChaseTheSummit Hypersmooth has to have a fast shutter speed to work properly. The way they presented these ND filters I wondered if there was some sort of software work around they had come up with to allow it to still work with a lower shutter speed, but it doesn't look like that's the case. It appears the only unique thing about these filters is the camera's ability to read which filter it is and tell you if you should go darker or lighter. Which is very helpful, as long as you're not using the camera for... well... action.
@@huntstyle you don’t necessarily want a fast shutter speed for ND filters. The problem they solve is that in direct sunlight the GoPro will crank shutter speed way up to compensate for bright sun which makes footage look jittery. By adding ND you can lower the shutter speed to introduce a bit of motion blur. Yes the camera recognizes this and should adjust accordingly with stabilization.
@@ChaseTheSummit yes I know. I have Polar Pro ND filters for my Hero 9. The problem is that you cannot get to a low enough shutter speed (180 degree shutter) for decent motion blur without causing Hypersmooth to not work. I've tried it. I found that on a bright sunny day I can get away with an ND8, but it really doesn't give any motion blur. Early in the morning, or otherwise lower light, and even the ND8 is too much. Give it a shot, I'm betting it's still the same with the 13.
@@ChaseTheSummit a tiny chip in a lens is hardly magical lol, it’s fixing a glaring cheapening out on the previous gen, this review came across as overly fearful of not getting free stuff from them next time.
@@Seanonyoutubethts an action camera being an action camera if tht footage is coming out soo good it is commendable ur comment looks like u are being paid by a certain brand to talk shit abt it without even using it lol 😆
seems like they placed the 12 internals into a new one with the ability to change lenses. lol! quality is still the same. and no, i'm personally not going to buy an "action camera" with interchangeable lenses.
It's a rare situation but it happens. For example in my own content I often run 100+ mile races that go into the night. A lot of my footage is just a black screen (with a faint headlamp) and my voice. It would be great to be able to see SOMETHING but it is what it is. Some other brands like DJI and Insta360 do better in the dark but the "look" of a GoPro in good light is hard to beat!
Des années sans aucune amélioration réelle, un capteur vieillissant et dépassé la mort de gopro est consommée je resterai avec ma 9 et sans basculer chez dji avec la 5!!!
What we wanted:
1. Bigger Sensor
2. Better Low Light Performance
What we got?
1. More Lenses
2. Non Backward Compatibility to older batteries.
but anamorphic will only fit on gopro 13
Agree 100%!!! I was ready to spend my money on the 13, but will stick with my trusted (and still good) Hero 10 for now.
@@SeeChadRun I have owned 10 and 11. There is literally no difference between 10, 11 , 12 and 13 in terms of image quality. I have decided to not upgrade until they make any significant improvement in that department. You are not missing out at all.
and overheating
Exactly.
Did a nice job. An "under-the-hood" feature no reviewer has talked about is the built-in timecode for multicam projects. I do use this for all my projects with the QRcontrol app to sync all at the beginning of a shoot. It makes it easy to then sync in post. I also have used a "pre-post" software called Multi-View HD Pro 2, which allows viewing up to 8 simultaneous videos, in sync, in various sizes and on different screens. It's ability to do all this without waiting for rendering or building proxies is pretty amazing.
Just stopped by to say “Too late GoPro, gave you four years to get it right.” Even with the 13 you still don’t get it. “Low light, less glitches, and no overheating.” All things DJI took care of. I went to a company, even if I’m not thrilled it’s a Chinese one, that listens and most of all that delivers. So, GoPro you can keep your useless add ons and ridiculous, expensive prices and find yourself a new CEO that actually listens to their customers.
You do realise they specifically addressed 2 of those things in this model with data to back it up 😂
As a person who bought the 13 hero black this camera has been amazing so far. As for the low light issue we still have a 14 coming out they will eventually make a GoPro for that lol 😂
What we wanted:
1. Bigger Sensor
2. Better Low Light Performance
3. Fast charging
4. More rugged battery which don't get puffed up
5. Better video quality rather than oil painted looking like low quality videos
6. Some more free Accessories like DJI case and underwater case
7. Reliability
8. Don't have to set the date again and again its annoying
9. improved Bluetooth mic connectivity
10. smaller and secure mic adapter which wont make the Shit pro heavy and vulnerable to water and dust.
What we got?
1. Gimmicky Lenses...
2. Non Backward Compatibility to older batteries...
I don't know why you're so positive about the new gopro! everybody's been waiting for a real upgrade, but gopro don't wanna do anything but charge people more money, I understand tho, you have to do it, it's your job,
love my Go Pros and the new 13! you channel was very informative and thank you.
Im so happy i sold my gopro and switched to Insta360 ace pro as most of my filming on night scenarios
Love what they've done with the mount, it really looks like the best of both worlds!!! Well done 👏 And that macro lens looks like very useful for normal traveling situations
Hi Dave, your videos are always high quality and content is definitely informative as always. Keep up the great work 💪 watching from South Africa 🇿🇦 Cape Town
Thanks!
Disappointed. A new battery format= a new charger :( No improvement in low light,which I consider most to be done. Staying with my GP12, as for now[and then ;) ] edit- and it means a new set of batteries😡 can I exchange 5 of mine into new ones,GoPro?
GoPro...sorry but your time is up, when the old Action 4 is better than the new Hero 13, you gotta start realising that you messed up… NOT gonna upgrade my gopro 9 for gopro 13. Now waiting for osmo action5…
So it's still a 1/1.9" sensor? - so it doesn't even compete with the 1/1.3" ones you find on most small cameras, drones, phones, etc for a year now?
Yep same sensor. In good light I still think it looks great with its 5.3K resolution but in low light it would have been nice to see some improvements.
@@ChaseTheSummit This is true, but it is also true for an iPhone 12 :) - just doesn't feel like GoPro are trying at the moment. 3 year old sensor, smaller than all competition, but now with an expensive manual focus macro lens? - hmm.
@@DigiDriftZone the macro lens is $129... not too bad. And I actually like it quite a bit as someone who often takes close up shots (for this channel). I always end up taking out my phone to get close shots, now I can do it all with GoPro... But yeah. I agree it could be better!
@@ChaseTheSummit Is that lens good enough to replace an iPhone for macro though? - the manual focus though and once you factor in a few accessories it does push the total price up quite a bit. Great review, thank you, I think I will stick to my Action 4 for now :)
will save all the trouble
Summary = no upgrades except lens 😂
A few upgrades but yeah.. mainly lenses.
For an additional $100 for the Ultra Wide Lens and additional $130 for the Macro. 😢
The anamorphic lens looks awesome!
Thanks for the fantastic review
Great video as always!! Unfortunately for what we do, this might be the first GoPro I skip in 9 years 😢. Maybe a new sensor and better low light next year???
I was hoping for a new sensor too. Maybe next year!
DJI Action 5 Pro is coming out in less than a week (according to rumours) so hold off and get that if you want a better action camera with a much larger sensor.
Time will tell!
@@ChaseTheSummit Time has already shown with earlier models. More reliable, faster, more endurance, faster charging. For me, reliability and charging speed are the most important. That's why I got rid of the GoPro and got the OA4. But what annoys me the most is the way GoPro is marketing new products. UA-camrs are handing out cameras, all UA-camrs have more or less the same mustr of conclusion. Old bugs are carried over to the new generations (overheating, reliability, remote control issues, memory card sensitivity). You're one of the few who responds to critical comments. The others seem to be forbidden to do so. Either way, I look forward to comparing the OA5 Pro to the Hero13 Black.
Here GoPro disappointed, this is just a new design, GPS and slightly better battery life. I don't understand why they do this?. Are they trying to dethrone themselves?Well I hope they sell well, we need GoPro. They have been leading, but not anymore. Unfortunately
I have been loyal with gopro since hero 8 but after watching this video I am tempted to buy chines product. I have waited for months for this and i am very disappointed. Now I don't know what to do cause i hate those chines products.
@@sr16gotheextramile51 buy dji, action 4 or the new action 5 when it comes. Ace pro is good too.
They continue to lead regardless… in June they sold their 50millionth camera so no other manufacturer comes close to that… I am disappointed the bitrate hasn’t increased in the 13 but the new nd filter system does look excellent…
I just subscribed, man. Great review! I already have the 12 black. I think I'm gonna keep it since they have the same sensor I wait for the bigger sensor great in low light. Thanks, man!
Interesting that the Macro lens fits the older models. This makes me think a firmware update could be coming to allow for backwards compatibility.
If that was the case, then this may be the first upgrade that I skip in quite a few years! Because that macro lens is a killer feature.
It seems like they won't be adding the function to Hero 12 unfortunately... The lens SORTA fits but also sorta doesn't. I really had to force it on there.
@@ChaseTheSummitwill it fit go pro 9 ?
I continue to use my GoPro 10 with additional enduro batteries with a charger and accessories. Everything that came out newer than 11, 12, 13 is just minor improvements (and in the case of 12, the lack of GPS is even worse). The quality of version 10 in most shooting scenarios is no different from any newer version. In the dark, all action cameras shoot terribly, they are not designed for this. Thanks for the review!
First, great job on this video! You covered a lot of ground. My thoughts....as a GoPro12, 11, 10, etc. user. It's unfortunate both the batteries and the ND filters of the GoPro 13 are NOT backward compatible. I'm hugely invested into the GoPro ecosystem and this is a bit of a disappointment to me. Clearly, buying additional batteries and additional ND filters just for the GoPro13 increases my overall purchase price.
GoPro bright daylight action footage is superior. The thing is that most of my outdoor events, like running, biking, hiking, triathlon or skiing - start with pre-dawn, pre-event footage. I'd like improvements to low light for one camera to cover the day. A bit disappointed this year. But I'm still rolling with GoPro.
Excellent discussion of the improvements in the GP13, but how about audio? I need an easy way to use my wireless microphone without having to spend a small fortune. Did GP address that?
They’ve updated the Bluetooth connection to accept DJI mic 2 as an audio source. I didn’t test it here sorry!
Nice walk-through! I might stick with the GP 11 for now though and wait for a better sensor.
Also, did you get the beginning of the ND filter section wrong?
With an ND filter you will get longer shutter times and more blur/problems with the stabilisation.
GoPro has a special "auto cinematic" mode that's supposed to stabilize the footage even with the motion blur of the ND filter.
@@ChaseTheSummit Ok, I see. I bet it will be a compromise though. Might be good to set the shutter manually or use GoPro labs to limit how slow it can get.
Damn dave you have had a week!!!
Well done with all the uploads !
My question - i dont have an action camera but id like to have one
I trail run, i rock climb and hike a ton
If you had to choose one action camera out them all- DJI, GOPRO, INSTA whatever.. what would you choose? - and why
Ha yes! Busy! It's tough to choose an action camera with so many good options. The GoPro looks the best in "good light" in my opinion. It's got great colors resolution and dynamic range. The DJI Action and Insta Ace Pro look great in lower light situations. I think the DJI Action is a nice hybrid between the two.
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks man!
And again well done with all the uploads, i hope it pays off!
When is your next race video?
please answer my question - what happens if i attach the new macro lens to the hero12? is it working perfectly? cant wait to hear from you thanks
It kind of attaches but it won't screw all of the way on and if you can get it to there's no "macro" setting in the camera so the image may look weird.
@@ChaseTheSummit did you really test it the question is do we need camera settings or will the display be good enought to control the sharpness
@@TVNetworld as mentioned you can't physically seat the lens all the way on the Hero 12 so it's not possible to use the lens. On top of that there's no macro setting in the camera either.
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks for answering
How did u get 5.3k on ultra wide…mine only allows 4k? Which settings? Awesome video thy
How are these for filming sporting events? From a distance. Just like regular camera use?
Not great. These have super wide angle lenses with fixed focus. Unless you’re close to the action your phone will do a better job.
What are your thoughts on Ace Pro low light performance while running? Is it good enough that it would edge out GoPro hero 13?
It’s much better in low light but any modern day phone blows both of them out of the water lol.
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks for your reply! i agree about phones doing much better in low light.
i'm itching to try a gopro hero 13 after your video. the new features are interesting.
for my use case, runs and hikes, recording in low light is kind of a bad experience regardless of which action camera i use, so the sensor size is not a factor at all.
I don’t have a GoPro was waiting for 13 to come out. I believe it’s a great do it all option to start trying to make quality UA-cam content similar to yours but it will definitely be a slow big learning curve for me and a massive anxiety to overcome posting videos. I’ll probably get the 13 due to GoPro wide selection of accessories and ease of use plus even if you spent 1,000 on go pro plus all lenses and other things it would still be 80% as good as a camera that cost 5x I believe anyways especially if you don’t get the camera settings right which for a newbie will be an extra learning curve. Anyways I feel this will be a good option I can make content can even use it as a high resolution webcam if needed.
Do you recommend to buy it?
One more question, in what camera you are recording this video? 😁
GoPro 13 is pretty great as long as you’re not filming in the dark. This video was shot on a Sony FX3
@@ChaseTheSummit Can I record vlogs, normal video, or it's for action?
100% interested in this macro lens for the kind of stuff that we like to do. Amazing video as always 🙌
Should I return my hero12 for the 13? I just purchased the creator bundle 2 weeks ago and have until Monday to return it,
Should I make the switch?
I make trucking videos
YES, the 13 would be more future proof. Why buy something that won't be compatible with future lenses & batteries?
Yes, for better battery and GPS
@@Pilot_Steve thank u I returned it, I’m waiting to buy the new one tomorrow when it releases
@@edoer776 I returned it 🙏😭
Whenever a new GoPro hits the market, Costco releases the older model with a bunch of accessories as a kit at a low price.
Nice footages with action kids)) Thanks for the video
I had high hopes for the Hero 13, specifically that the camera sensor would be improved with something similar to the Ace Pro. I was ready to buy the 13 but I think I'll just stick with my Hero 10 until next year in hopes that the Hero 14 is significantly improved.
A bigger sensor would be nice!
All of this are accesories! They can make them work 100% on the 12 with a firmware uppdate! But they won't do that thinking people are gonna buy the 13! But this will just desapoint the fans even more!
Exactly, only thing i am interested is that anamorphic lens but since its not backward compatible with GP12 i will skip it. I am using DJI pocket 3 mainly now, gp only for harsh environment and underwater shoots.
super review! thanks
I owned action cams ages ago so kinda coming in new, I am thinking if its worth to get the hero 13, macro lens, tripod, and case. or just get the bundle hero 13. I feel i will get the 13 hero over the 12 hero. The macro does sound kind of good as a all in 1 lens when traveling.
Thank you Dave, just curious if it still has only 4:2:0 10-bit on 4k n 5.3k or has 4:2:2 now?
Still 4:2:0 10-bit. 4:2:2 would have been nice!
I want a Narrow field of view option back (the last GoPro with it is the 10), and so far I only see it for 720p slomo in the one image I've seen so far. I also think a zoom lens that can do at least 2x zoom would be good, as it allows people to shoot content that's a bit farther away.
there's still "linear" and you can zoom in on 5.3K in post pretty easily.
Backwards compatibility on accessories is a great concept. But then again - that media mod (for the TRS jack they keep forgetting) is still a pain with battery swaps. I use GoPro for wannabee handy man content, and macro lens and magnetic mount sounds useful.
Would this magnetic mount be able to connect the camera a power rack in the gym? Would be super convenient to be able to stick it to a rack and move it around like do with a GO3.
Still No bigger sensor
Still Bad in low light
Waiting for Ace Pro II
I think the $199 camera is the better option based on all this. The extra lenses are cool, but idk if it's worth it. It seems a lot of this is software improvements. With how much cell camera has improved, and all the other options for small cameras GoPro needed to do more hardware improvements. I'd love to see more...
What do you think about the overheating of the GoPro 13 camera. I have a GoPro Hero 11 and when I record driving inside the car, it inevitably overheats during the summer. Thank you!
Greetings from Croatia!
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it's significantly improved compared to the Hero 12
Okay, thank you very much. I subscribed to your channel.
Will the macro lens fit a go pro 11 ?
GoPro is unable to introduce real improvements…the sensor - which is the reason why GoPro lags behind the competition - is still the same! Changing lenses on an action camera is useless as it conflicts with the very nature of action cameras. Insta360 and DJI are way better
Kinda agree about the lesnses but also disagree ,I fly fpv and definitely want to be able to swap a damaged lense also be nice to be able to use the camera for a broader range of used with extra lenses imo. Like you don't have to buy them
I go for an action camera to have a no-brainer cam in my pocket, not to have 10 parts I have to switch over.
Lags behind when it has the highest resolution qnd frame rates, best stabilisation and auto shots 😂 you talk about one use case in low light
Bruv , does now the ultra wide lens support HDR ? on GP12 it didn't ....
I have a Hero 3+ Black, should I upgrade it to 13 Black?
That's a pretty massive upgrade. You'd certainly notice a big difference in video and audio quality as well as stabilization and battery life.
@@ChaseTheSummit thank you and I appreciate your recommendation, after doing some research I have decided and just ordered the Dji Osmo Action 5 Pro. I hope I wont regret it.
What no one talks about is processing the 5.3k video. My Sony Vegas Pro 19 can barely process the video. Also, your viewers need to know that 12 doesn’t have GPS overlays.
h264/h265 footage should be fairly easy to process on most modern day computers and even some phones. But yes, if your computer is a bit older or you're using software that has a hard time decoding it it can be a challenge. In terms of the Hero 12, correct... no GPS but this is a Hero 13 review.
Hi, does the current Max Lens Mod 2.0 work on the 13? What about the magnetic charger cable offered separately....their site promo videos show pins on the side and the new charger costs extra, so does the 13 still have the standard USB C inside the battery compartment?
Yes, there's a manual setting to enable it. Yes, still has USB-C for charging. The "Contacto" charger is an accessory designed to let you charge and use your GoPro outdoors in the elements while maintaining waterproof enclosure.
It would be nice to know if you have to turn off stabilization to use the anamorphic lens.
The anamorphic lens seems to be the best move of this new camera but having it's launch somewhere in 2025 (?!) seems quite disapointing...
Should I buy 13?? I have HERO 10 black...
Just recently bought the Hero12 and I’m interested to finding out if the Hero13 macro and anamorphic lenses will work on my gopro?
Gopro stated it's only compatible with Hero 13 and up. However, it will likely mount but the footage won't be automatically desqueezed. You may need to do that manually. I guess time wil ltell!
Sample Footage video+gps, on gdrive or dropbox please ....
the max lens doesn't give you a wider shot, it just allows you to use horizon leveling while on ultra wide and slightly lowers the distortion of ultra wide. it dose not give a wider angle view.
It gives the camera a wider shot which enables horizon leveling by adding some fudge factor around the frame to crop into.
Still love my gopro 7 black and for me it's more about the same. I will buy a new one but I wanna try a 360 camera so that leads me to the insta360 x4.
I have the 8 and had similar opinion, got an X4 and Insta360 Go3. Love the versatility of both of them, neither are a direct competitor to Go Pro but find I gravitate to the Go3 more. Love its small form factor and the Insta360 app. When I do upgrade my GoPro, I'll probably replace with Insta360 Ace or Osmo Action. Go Pro seems to now be lagging behind.
@@r0sco_1 for me the gopro just till he 7 had evolved real good, now they just been hiding their name.
@@RubenJFernandes Yeah each year is rinse and repeat. All the new features people ask for are typically ignored.
@@r0sco_1 exactly. That's why I will still with ny 7
This is a good day to upgrade that gopro 8 to the gopro 11 or 12 when prices bumps down.
Hello for a beginner first time using go pro is this worth buying for a pov video content creator
Yup
The real question is did the actual solve the thermal problem? It better be given the batteries are not backwards compatible. Sounds like it is better but come on this has been a problem for at least the last 3 years. Little sad about the low light performance not improving at all.
Can we edit slow motion video on go pro app??
Yes
My complaint is, all these UA-camrs showing the "Legit kit" with all the lenses but if you look for it, it's still not available! It was a month ago this video was made, and there is quite a few unboxing videos with this kit including the camera, and all the lenses, but no price, can't even buy the kit if you want to. Obviously I'm not going to buy the camera alone, now that I've seen these videos on the Legit kit. I am tempted to just buy a DJI they wouldn't give a bunch of UA-camrs a kit to show people and it's not available plus Gopro 13 cameras are not backwards compatible with older Gopro camera batteries, and they still haven't fixed the over heating problem, if you don't use external batteries. This company really knows how to piss people off!.... Rant over!
The kit is a promo kit for the media. To my understanding it's not available for purchase.
@@ChaseTheSummit That's exactly what I mean about knowing how to piss people off! Why would they give it to promoters to open on video and not make it available to customers 😒. I am not going to buy a Gopro 13 if I can't buy a Legit kit. Thanks for making the video and your reply. I guess I'm going to wait to see if the 14 will actually solve the real issue before I buy another Gopro anyways.
Insta 360 Ace Pro has had magnetic mounts for awhile…no new sensor! But do like the different lenses.
@@dgutie8 DJI had magnetic mounts too. As mentioned though I think GoPros is the best because it gives you options, feels more secure and is reversible.
This GoPro really shows this is as far an American company can get when it comes to camera tech, 13 iterations yet the can’t fit a one inch sensor inside the GoPro, the Osmo Pocket 3 which is smaller and came out more than a year already have an one inch sensor on it.
DJI Action cameras still doesn't have a 1" sensor though only Pocket because it has autofocus. There's a reason... Thermals and optics. These cameras don't have auto focus so making a 1" sensor work with a fixed focus lens would result in a real bad minimum focus distance. We'll see what happens with the other brands though!
в конце квадракоптер должен был влететь в дерево)))
Pretty much does what the iPhone does already except don't have to buy loads of adaptors and accessories.
Kinda, except in a bomb-proof case that you can strap on the outside of your car or to your dirtbike helmet. Do you trust your iPhone in those situations?
Can't beat insta 360 ace pro
They're both good. In good light I prefer GoPro... in low light I prefer Ace Pro. It would be great to have a hybrid of both... but we're not there yet.
@@ChaseTheSummit in low light go pro 13 can't beat ace pro you can try it
@@ChaseTheSummit insta ace pro is super smooth
Busy September, Nice
So busy!
May I ask how and where did you get the update file from? I got mine early but cannot use it without updating the “Quik” app but it isn’t available
You'll probably have to wait. I was added to the Beta program to gain access.
I go for an action camera to have a no-brainer cam in my pocket, not to have 10 parts I have to switch over.
I totally agree. The allure to a simple action camera is grab and go. The added lenses are useful for certain situations though like in my content I often take up-close shots of watches and that's where the macro lens is amazing! But it's really going to boil down to your use case!
can you overlay garmin live stats?
No, but with built in GPS you can overlay stats like speed and distance.
It feels a little bit like GoPro is doing the apple thing. First of all I love that there are new features like the different lenses and fast shutter. But on the other hand it has some big flaws that should've been easy to fix. Besides that I think it's unnecessary to change the design of the battery, so you NEED to buy a completely new one and that it is also stupid to not make the lenses backwards comparable. It's just a software update, but like apple they want you to buy the new one not just the lenses. Also I think the sensor that detects which lens is attached has the potential to kill third party lenses. And important features like lowlight or advanced settings are just not there. It would be such a relief to have the settings the camera is actually capable of on hand in the camera settings like on normal cameras so you don't have to use labs and shit that isn't nearly as convenient. And what kinda pisses me off is that these are all things that could be improved right now even for every previous camera, but they won't do it, because: Money. Of course if these things would be implemented natively less people would buy the new cameras, but GoPros image would be one of a kind. And maybe its not the best idea in terms of innovation to release a new camera every fucking year. I know that it's better in terms of business, I guess that innovation times longer than a year would improve a lot of the problems. But as this doesn't seem to change I think someone else is needed to get not even innovation but improvement on things that are getting better at a far lower pace than necessary.
Do the new ND-filters fit on a hero 12 black?
They fit, but the camera doesn't detect them. So in theory they will work but the camera won't adjust the frame rate to opimize the footage.
WE WAIT ANOTHER YEAR ! 😞
Does the magnetic mount work with gopro 12?
Nope but you could probably swap out the base plate with a magnetic version if you can find just that component. IT screws in.
Thanks for the review. I won't buy it, I'll wait for the DJI. At 51 seconds you can see the sky jumping.
Low light funtion still remains same
Biggest sad point
Wow
Well, they finally copied the magnetic mount from DJI Action....
They did, and it's arguably better than what we've seen from DJI or Insta360. To be fair, DJI and Insta both copied GoPro first lol.
@@ChaseTheSummit How it is better, lol?
And they did not copied gopro..
@@isavkov They did copy gopro.
in portugal stores the go pro is sold at 400 euros !!!!!!!!! no signs of the go pro 13 in the stores here in Portugal
4:40 You know reviewers are getting freebies when they insist the battery will last 1 1/2 hours in 4k
@@GiuseppeM nope, just reading the specs which you can also do. As mentioned this isn’t an in depth review more testing coming soon.
Welp. Gonna keep my GoPro hero 12. Sad the lenses won’t work. Because they fit, I bet they could fix it with a firmware/ software update. Sad.
Overheating still sounds like its a thing. Same sensor, I could care less about the lenses. The only benefit is the SLIGHTLY longer run times. Another swing, Another massive miss from gopro
For me, overheating has been significantly improved but I've only had it for a week so I guess time will tell.
@ChaseTheSummit Guess we will see. Significantly improved still isnt gone tho lol. With gopro lacking in every other aspect when it comes to specs against its competitors. Gopro really needed to not overheat and a long battery life to keep customers and a bigger sensor really. But it seems to fail on all of that
@@fourwheelerjock GoPro only lags in low light thts it!! Everything is better with 12, i have been using GoPro 12 from 2 months are not a single time this gets shut off randomly, hdr video are dope, even the footage u compare with dji in day time the GoPro is superior be it dynamic range, color etc ppl are crying abt 8k? Where u gonna use it, most of the ppl won't have the resources to edit those massively heavy 8k files, where u gonna see it?? 5k is absolutely the best resolution even if u want to crop the video & zoom in GoPro did good with 13 rather than giving gimmicky features
@Tansixtygp Do you shoot 4K60 for more then 20 minutes straight tho lol. I turn my camera on and don't touch it for 2.5-3 hours straight for shows I film for. Sorry, But everything I have experienced. The 12 over heats around that mark. Specially on hot days in 80+ degree weather
@Tansixtygp Secondly I could care less about 8K or higher resolutions so idk where you got that from. I just want 4k60 without over heating what so ever and a better sensor and longer battery as well.
No ND filters for the lenses. ???
Only the ND filters themselves!
I'm still using my gopro 7 😅
7 is a great camera!
Gopro is headed in the wrong direction, we wanted a new 1 inch sensor
Would love a larger sensor. However, in good light I still think the 5.3K from a GoPro looks nicer than a lot of the competition. But low light could certainly use some improvements!
Я думал они сделают хоть что то, чтобы не приходилось выкидывать в мусорку съемки в пасмурную погоду.
Gopro am sorry but Dji still better 😂😊😅
I love DJI. But in what ways do you think they excel?
@@ChaseTheSummit if you actually use Dji drone , Dji osmo action 3,4 . Dji pocket 3, you wouldn't ask that, from battery life, usability, quality, durability, low low light, no freeze, no over heating, price , eco system even the dji mic 2 can be used wireless seamless from the pocket to the action camera. in every department. Gopro only living off it's name I stop using them am not just paying for a name,
V good
You are great! Thank for your review. But every day I’m very disappointed with GoPro. Flop.
The footage looks terrible with the ND filter. As I suspected, it messes up the Hypersmooth, so I'm not sure why they're acting like this is so great, lol. There have been ND filters for Gopro's since the Hero 4! But unless the camera is sitting still, there isn't much use for them due to the Hypersmooth not working very well.
I think some of that was user error. The camera uses an auto cinematic mode to try to smooth out the blur. I'll be doing more testing... stay tuned.
@@ChaseTheSummit Hypersmooth has to have a fast shutter speed to work properly. The way they presented these ND filters I wondered if there was some sort of software work around they had come up with to allow it to still work with a lower shutter speed, but it doesn't look like that's the case. It appears the only unique thing about these filters is the camera's ability to read which filter it is and tell you if you should go darker or lighter. Which is very helpful, as long as you're not using the camera for... well... action.
@@huntstyle you don’t necessarily want a fast shutter speed for ND filters. The problem they solve is that in direct sunlight the GoPro will crank shutter speed way up to compensate for bright sun which makes footage look jittery. By adding ND you can lower the shutter speed to introduce a bit of motion blur. Yes the camera recognizes this and should adjust accordingly with stabilization.
@@ChaseTheSummit yes I know. I have Polar Pro ND filters for my Hero 9. The problem is that you cannot get to a low enough shutter speed (180 degree shutter) for decent motion blur without causing Hypersmooth to not work. I've tried it. I found that on a bright sunny day I can get away with an ND8, but it really doesn't give any motion blur. Early in the morning, or otherwise lower light, and even the ND8 is too much. Give it a shot, I'm betting it's still the same with the 13.
11:05 lol “magical”, like every dslr in the world 🤣
Common in DSLR's yes but not in action cameras.
@@ChaseTheSummit a tiny chip in a lens is hardly magical lol, it’s fixing a glaring cheapening out on the previous gen, this review came across as overly fearful of not getting free stuff from them next time.
@@Seanonyoutubethts an action camera being an action camera if tht footage is coming out soo good it is commendable ur comment looks like u are being paid by a certain brand to talk shit abt it without even using it lol 😆
@@Tansixtygp I actually own both a gopro and a dji. They both have their pros and cons.
seems like they placed the 12 internals into a new one with the ability to change lenses. lol! quality is still the same. and no, i'm personally not going to buy an "action camera" with interchangeable lenses.
I just buy the gopro hero13 in walmart for 250. Not bad for someone that never had an action camera 😂
Wow, great price!
do overheating test to get 1m views...
I'm sure there's a million of those out there by now! lol
Honestly though why would anyone want to film at night in the dark ya know? lol.. If it has Night Settings that's awesome
It's a rare situation but it happens. For example in my own content I often run 100+ mile races that go into the night. A lot of my footage is just a black screen (with a faint headlamp) and my voice. It would be great to be able to see SOMETHING but it is what it is. Some other brands like DJI and Insta360 do better in the dark but the "look" of a GoPro in good light is hard to beat!
@@ChaseTheSummit True, Very true
Des années sans aucune amélioration réelle, un capteur vieillissant et dépassé la mort de gopro est consommée je resterai avec ma 9 et sans basculer chez dji avec la 5!!!