Critical Close-Up: Doom and RAGE (part 1)
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2025
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• Critical Close-up: Doo...
Rip and tear! Rip and tear! RIP AND TEARRRR!
So last year I played RAGE, and while it was a good game on it's own right, I felt it was a fairly weak game all things considered. This juxtaposition is interesting, and I wanted to make a video about it. So I played through it again a couple weeks ago and took notes this time. - George
Did you know that we write stuff when we're not making videos? It's true! This week's topic: Wreck-it-Ralph
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George's original RAGE review:
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"(...) rather than subtracting from a large pool of HP points"
Health point points. Gud.
lol tru
Victor Viridian Are you the same guy who always comments on Storm Dain videos?
Every time you get hit a little Harry Potter of an alternative universe dies
"other flip of the dick"
This is like my fourth time watching this, and the first time I really payed attention to and caught that line.
Brilliant. 10/10.
BRILLIANT!!!!!
+Nnenna Monet I read this as he was saying that lol
I just wanted to do the non-typical UA-cam comment thing and say that I really enjoy your videos. You have great, detailed critical insight about videogames. I can tell you spend a lot of time reading/watching other critics and not just making short, poorly edited videos about how something is either the best or worst thing ever. Also, you do a pretty good Plinkett impression!
5:34 "Flip of the dick" Shakespeare himself has never written a line of dialogue as great or magnificent as this
"Flip of the dick" was the moment I decided to hit Subscribe
Sure thing! Just remember to cite your source ;)
Note: If you're doing a project about Doom and are looking for a legit resource, check out "Masters of Doom" by David Kushner. It's fun reading, too.
I love coming back to this RAGE video lol.. it's always entertaining.
I made a python file that opens infinite tabs of George singing snake eater...
Red Letter Media reviews Doom and Rage...Starring Huper SunnyBop...
Max Locher Rage was the most disapionting thing since my son, and unlike my son who eventually hanged himself Rage will be around forever
Goddamn thats dark
Max Locher Mega Hamster Shits
I could use more of this editing style from George.
@@twistedoperator4422 George Lucas ?
I think you nailed what made Doom so great. All of it is just engaging mindless fun. It's quick, satisfying and responsive. And that's all it really needs to be.
It's weird watching an old Bunnyhop video and hearing such a high pitched George.
A lot of reasons. There's the increasing crossover work between the movie and film industries, there's a century of film history impacting a few decades of game history, both industries largely market to the same demographic.
Ya know, the history and development of "cinematic" gaming is actually a really broad but fascinating topic. That kinda makes me want to write about it...
coming back 5 years from 2017 i can now conclude that George has always made excellent videos.
Thanks for enjoying! We gots lots more in store :D
Yes! Do that first-- I'd hate all my hatin' to jelly over into your experience. Let us know what you think, the game has gotten such a mixed reception that almost everyone's opinion about it is interesting
Your videos have gotten so much better. Interesting to watch a creator improve over time.
Thanks for the views! We're also trying a whole bunch of weird things to make us popular. Check back tomorrow evening, a whole new lineup of videos will go live from 4 to 7 pm EST.
Check back here tommorow at 5 PM EST!
*[yawn]*
Oh, sorry, Fallout 3, you're not boring me. It's just this RAGE guy just keeps telling me the same sto-
What do you mean you're RAGE?
Hey, good job man, your videos are definitely getting better and more intellectually stimulating. Glad I subscribed. Can't wait for part 2!
This deserves at least as many views as Egoraptor's "Sequelitis" videos. I've been hoping for a video like this for quite some time.. Now when people ask me why I like DooM more than all the modern FPS hits.. I can just link them to this.
Thanks a ton.
Oh, this video was very good, I like when people knows what they're talking about and try to do it objectively! Subscribed, keep up the good work ^^
I'm don't know exactly why you decided to adopt the style and timing of RedLetterMedia's reviews and leave out the affected voice and kidnapping jokes, but it was a wonderful idea and I love you for it. The actual content of the video was good, too! Insightful stuff, definitely looking forward to part two.
10/10. One of the best video game analysis I've ever seen.
Yes, yes, and hell yes. Indubitably so!
Oh jeez 7 years ago George. I love you dad and son.
Nitpick - aiming in doom actually is effected by movement with some guns. Shoot the shotgun standing still, then compare it to when moving. Once you start shooting, the gun stays in that position, so you're now shooting to the left or right of where you would if standing still. This really only affects pistol and shotgun aiming, but is still big for precise aiming for ammo conservation in earlier levels.
These videos are so awesome.... Hope you have more in the pipeline
0:12 "these guys made Doom".
Doom's game designer was John Romero, it he was long gone before Rage came out.
Did he single-handedly made Doom? Or was it the studio ID Software which has a lot of members of the original team? Oh and by the way Romero made Daikatana, lol
AydarBMSTU John Carmack was the last original Id Software developer, and he's not responsible for the game design.
yoni0505
then I apologise
AydarBMSTU
Doom the game? Yes, Romero made many of the levels and much of the core gameplay decisions. Carmack did fantastic work making the engine fast and efficient. Many others did a fantastic work, music, textures and so on, but without Romero it would have been a very different game.
I appreciate your mockery of Errant Signal in this video
When does he mock Errant Signal?
TheSimCal 5:03
TheSimCal I took it as a mockery or Errant Signal at the very least.
Him and Chris Franklin are friends, this part was just a joke on how some people use really obtuse vocabulary when talking about games
Tl;dw: Too much mixed-genre actioneering for my delicate sensibilities. Artificially hampered movement and shooting. Next week gets into its weird usage of RPG mechanics, too.
The thing is, enemies in Doom that actually use hitscan weapons tend to be either fairly weak or rare. In comparison a lot of the projectile weapons in Rage that the enemies use have large splash areas, meaning even if you see it coming, you don't actually have time to get out of the way.
These videos are great. I love how they're not afraid to criticise games that people have a lot of nostalgia about.
This is the most red letter media/ jontron of his videos
Firearm wielding Doom enemies also have instant bullets, if that's what you mean with "hit scan". The only thing that makes them able to miss their target is their cooldown inbetween or before each shot, since they aim when their attack sequence/animation begins (first frame at 30fps), but not when the shot is about to happen (except the "chaingunners", who I think aim every 1st out of 2 shots).
I think that's the big difference between Rage and Doom when you look at the enemies.
Doom 4 should just be Doom 2 with 2 new weapons and 10 more enemies and 3 more bosses. I'd play the SHIT out of it
THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST VIDEO TO EVER MAKE IN THE HISTORY OF VIDEOS.
I WOULDNT EVEN NEED TO SAY ANYTHING.
-G
The one thing I fondly remember from Rage was the way enemies recoiled and ragdolled from certain types of damage. *That* was well done. *That* I would like to see more of in more games.
But the game was shorter than my tiny wiener. Let's not do that in more games.
3:35 that reminds me of Redlettermedia's Mr Plinkett
I truly admire your current work. Even your small rant on unnecessary upgrade systems was enlightening for someone like me making a game with upgrade mechanics.
However, I'm glad you don't just rip off of Mr. Plinkett's reviews anymore. It's just annoying here. Then again, this whole video is talking about a game with a mishmash of game mechanics, so it wouldn't be beyond you to ironically use a similar style to emphasize a point.
This is just me thinking out loud, though.
dumb idiot lmao guess bro, everyone loves to leave comments about projects their “working on”
I am just finding your channel, I would love to see the tone of this video brought back in new ones.
1/2
Wolfenstein 3D has "mouse movement" and "alt-for-strafe" as well.
but no one used it because:
1) it was not necessary
2) it was actually more confusing and halting due to the amount of keys you could hold down at once. Say you were to hold down Alt-left_arrow as well as opening a door and shoot?
No can do; you'd get a beep from your computer telling you that you were holding down too many keys at once.
Having your hand on the mouse also wasn't really effective, as
I actually think they could get away with it. Doom is a good deal more of a recognizable IP than Painkiller, and banking on 90's nostalgia is a tactic that worked pretty damn well for Nintendo. If they wanted to pull a Campcom and build it using the classic graphics, then there's a simple solution: make a cell phone game.
But now that I think about it, the fans have been asking for a modern-looking but retro-playing Doom game since 2004. They've been asking for it by the droves.
- G
"playing rage just make me want to play doom more" My thought exactly.
7:45 FINE-NESS?
FIN-ESS!
This frustrates me more than it should, but on the other hand I'm surprised I didn't notice it on my first viewing!
These reviews are hilarious and informative at the same time! My favorite part of Rage was the Doom easter egg..................................... yeah 8).
Man, you've come a long way since the early days.
I just got Rage from Newegg for $5 the other day, I'm gonna play through it next week and then I'll watch this video.
Man, Got into bunnyhop after the dark souls CC. Age sure has mellowed you.
I absolutely understand peoples positions and opinions about RAGE, and I do believe their opinions are justified.
with that said I liked RAGE. It had solid gameplay and fun scenarios. I liked it. I just recently put Fallout 3 down in a fit of pure boredom and put Rage in and had a good deal more fun.
That's because you're shallow and have no attention span and have poor taste
Or...and hear me out here...I just didn't like Fallout 3. I mean that shit happens you know. People don't like everything.
If you really want me to I could go into the history of incredibly shoddy work Bethesda does time and time again, such incredibly shoddy work that it makes RAGE look like a piece of coding brilliance. I mean they have the reputation of making games that you should only play on PC where the community can fix all their crappy work for reason.
Good job man, makes me wanna see Plinkett review videogames now...
Honestly, I wrote a pretty negative review of Rage a while back, but for the most part, I think I misjudged it. You're right, it was a shift into stop and pop, and when I kept trying to play it as run and gun I suffered for it, and actually came to loathe the game as a result.
I dunno I thought rage was ok. Was it the next generation of Doom we all hoped for? No. Did it have more going on mechanically than a lot of the modern military fps games coming out at the time? Probably.
Condemned Sure but it wasn't a modern military fps. It was a post apocalyptic open world fps, and it had way less going on than any of the other of those that came out around that time.
Yeah, but it played like a modern military shooter. Idk man, I don't
think its critically appropriate to lump games together based solely on
setting. If that rule was applied elsewhere we would wind up comparing
"This war of mine" and "Arma III", as both take place on a modern
battlefield of some descript. Both games set out to do something
different, and should be graded on what that effort accomplished. "Rage"
was going for something completely different than "Fallout 3"
mechanically. You can argue that Fallout 3 did a better job with the
setting, but i wouldn't be so quick to directly compare the mechanics.
Condemned Why did you type it with those strange spaces?
Were you playing Brutal Doom at 02:18?
Cause that Mod is one the greatest.
No, we love YOU!
Saitek Eclipse, baby! -G
I still liked rage more then the majority of FPSes i played that year despite it's general lack of originality and over all derivativ-ness. It played well, had tight controls, and fun guns and no auto aim assist.
Subbed.
Looking forward to more! Good stuff. Keep it up.
Red Letter Media as a source of inspiration?
Story in classic Doom was like it was written by nine year olds, but I don't care. This is so much better and genuine than boring refined games of today (with stories worse than B-Movies anyway, just pretending to be serious).
Someone said Bee movie?
Yeah I had a similar thought. I can't believe you're using Plinkett's transitions. It just doesn't feel right in the middle of an otherwise quality video.
I'd definatly add stuff like mouselook and open gl like there is in modern source ports but other than that I don't think there's anything really wrong with a retro Doom 4.
Just what I'm looking for: game analysis that's intellectual AND hilarious; reminds me of Red Letter Media. Subbed!
bunnyhopshow's stuff is NOT solely*
I haven't herd of this mod so I have to go play it soon. Also I still fail to see the problem with id releasing what is basically a Doom II map pack. It worked for Megaman 9!
You're right. Rage is a poor-man's version of BorderLands and FallOut. I was overwhelmed by the RPG elements in FalOut and found Borderlands to be boring in its objective oriented multiplayer gameplay. So rage fit perfectly for me as a core shooter. Your reviews are the greatest.
Oh my what awesome is this! :D
I start watching your videos because their so informative and so insightful and here is a video sounding like Redlettermedia(Mr.plinket)
crazy fun! :D
Indeed, you should be sorry to say that because you are mistaken. You're probably thinking of Wolfenstein 3D, because it's certainly not Doom that you are referring to.
In Doom, mouse right and left worked for turning. Mouse up and down moved forward and back, respectively . You could hold the Alt key as a strafe modifier.
I'm picking up on a RedLetterMedia influence in your newer reviews. I can dig it, because I love RLM, but don't stray from your own thing. Still a great video.
Thanks!
Yeah but Loosum Hagar was bangin' right?
I enjoy the detail and great lengths you go to your points. You should do Deus Ex or like Mass Effect games for your next video!
Man, I gotta go back and finish the last episode of Blood now. I need my dose of crazy Doom clone action
Yeesh, I don't know if you were shamelessly ripping off plinkett or giving a tributary nod to him, but I'm glad your content has improved since then, George. Still a great video.
tip for this game.. when u get to the first town play the gambling board game with the bandit like guys by the store. Rack up a lot of money buy all the upgrades and extra ammo and you'll have a ton of fun even on hardest difficulty.
Wait, Halo doesn't share those mechanics. You can fluidly move and shoot in Halo. Admittedly, you move much more slowly, but you don't have to stop and aim every shot. Sticky aim was put in to make moving and aiming with two joysticks more feasible.
cant believe rage was only 3 yrs ago.
I find this interesting, I've never played Rage, I was excited for it before it was made, and even own it(I got it since it was bundled with Fallout3GOTY which is what I really wanted) I thought one day I may give it a change, but I'm not a big FPS fan. It really lacks anything that seems to make it worth spending the time to try and enjoy still.
I get more than a little bit of inspiration from Plinkett in this video. Great job though, loved it.
"When you're using the plasma rifle and rocket launcher in doom, you have to strategically time and lead your shots"
*shoots 4 rockets on 2 daemons*
But yeah, awesome vid. Rage had the idea of old-school fun in corridor shooters, but it just didn't enphasize it as much as it should've. I enjoyed it, but not at the point of replaying it.
Going up against hitscan weapons is annoying. A couple of enemies use them in Duke 3D and they are a pain to dodge, but not the shotgun-wielding pigcops. They deal a lot of damage, but they shoot slower than most other enemies, miss often at long range and always clearly telegraph when they're about to shoot.
how is rage disappointing? maybe the ending did but for an FPS game the shooting felt really nice and solid
I used to make Wolf3D and Doom maps that were just five minutes of 'kill everything while dodging all the shots, all while standing in the middle of the pack.' I did the same with Descent and Descent 2.
I love massively one-sided dogfights where failing to predict the enemy's range and firing cone meant that you might as well stand still.
Most of today's FPS games are just Medal of Honor in new skin. I don't want realistic. I want FUN. Give me a DOOM clone over a MOH clone every time!
The chaingun is hitscan and does move around randomly.
Too bad you do it in five-minute intervals in-between twenty minutes intervals of driving and exploration that're not-as-solid. -G
On the third flip of the dick, games like Xonotic show how to do regen right. Your health regenerates at an increasingly slow rate as you approach 100, and decreases at an increasingly fast rate the higher you are above 100. If you just stood there, or didn't take any hits, your health would come back, but because of the map design and playerbase (this is a game in the quake tradition, after all), that will never happen, so you have to constantly look for health, but the ticking down health above 100 means that you can't just go get all the medkits and then start gunning down noobs like there's no tomorrow. And thanks to the regen, if those newbs can get away from you for a few seconds, they might be able to take a 3rd or 4th hit.
Are YOU the Harry S. Plinkett of videogames, SIR?!?
I'm hooked! O.O
shoutout to those watching this again in 2018 because rage 2 was announced and man this game sucked
@10:28. What is he trying to say about aimming for consoles and PC? He says it too fast it's hard for me to listen. something about the speed of the mouse and how a stick has limited movement?
I am so glad the Super Bunnyhop focused on good writing than humor
Fun fact: there is a doom rpg. Developed for mobile platforms in symbian times. There is also a fantasy rpg that uses the same engine. They were actually quite decent games
Yeah the Doom and Wolfenstein RPG were suprisingly pretty fun.
Hearing your opinion on doom is pretty funny because for me the game is about as far away from a power trip as possible, the game constantly throws ambushes at you to the point I pretty much assumed that If I pressed a button I was going to get ambushed, for most stages the music isn’t a awesome rock song but more something from a horror game, and the game has dark sections invisible monsters and dark sections with invisible monsters.
But the thing that truly made the game so terrifying for me is that if you die you lose all your weapons and ammo, because of that I was pretty much panicking my entire time playing the game, i actually stopped playing because I found the game too stressful and scary.
aneurysm, what a good song.
Did I hear the voice of that guy that reviewed Star Wars trilogy?
Very good. Keep it up, dude!
I want a sound file of jorji saying brilliant. PLEASE IT WOULD BE AWESOME JORJI!!!
Brutal Doom changes the guns to use projectiles, too, making the gunplay all that much better.
well technically , in doom , the "bulllet ennemies" are mindless zombies.... in rage, those are living being , i think.
I honestly loved rage. Could you explain exactly why it was not all you had hoped?
I liked the RLM-style, George.
Great vid!
I had a lot of hope in the game as an avid ID fan but it was poor!
The only cool aspects of the game were the sniper rifle, crossbow that looks like a stag beetle, Wiiiiiingsticks, machine gun, the defibrillator and that card game.
The problem with the AK was about recoil, only the first shot would land so to even hit anything you'd have to limit you pop shots to only one bullet to reliably hit anything.
I think its about the 'standard primary' weapon cliche. Its that kind of weapon where ammo is most available but it neither kills things slow or fast. Due to players maximizing the amount burst damage, the enemies that developers took hours upon hours to make are neutralized in mere seconds. Piss poor weapons allows you to savor the enemy designs but the way they performed it made it very frustrating.