Pictures in order of appearance cont'd: 40. Gwindor Credit: Unknown vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lotr/images/5/5e/Gwindor.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191108233401 41. The last moments of Beleg Cúthalion Credit: Anke Eißmann anke.edoras-art.de/cgi-bin/turin.pl?file=last_moments.jpg 42. Jacob Wrestling with the Angel Credit: Alexander Louis Leloir fineartamerica.com/featured/jacob-wrestling-with-the-angel-alexander-louis-leloir.html 43. Túrin Kills Beleg Credit: Denis Gordeev yadi.sk/a/ZE9M2u5y3VVtCJ/5af0a9af404b0da945e3c8d4 44. Turin and Beleg Credit: steamey www.deviantart.com/steamey/art/Turin-and-Beleg-512521433 45. Beleg Is Slain Credit: Ted Nasmith www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/beleg-is-slain/ 46. The Death of Beleg Credit: Elena Kukanova www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/The-Deth-of-Beleg-716433501 47. Into the Woods: Hidden Creek Credit: Kilian Schönberger kilianschoenberger.neuerstandard.de/koken/index.php?/albums/hidden-creek/content/617196_441889892537744_817008728_o/ 48. Nargothrond Credit: Jonathan Guzi www.artstation.com/artwork/aRQmL 49. Princess of Nargothrond Credit: Elena Kukanova www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/Princess-of-Nargothrond-683701569 50. Orodreth Credit: Elena Kukanova www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/Orodreth-680960466 51. Skyblivion - Umbra Credit: Roberto Gatto www.artstation.com/artwork/22ZOJ 52. Mormegil (Black Sword) Credit: Peter Xavier Price facebook.com/peterxavierprice/photos/a.312857132236044/312898605565230/?type=3&theater 53. Nargothrond. Turin and Finduilas Credit: Elena Kukanova www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/Nargothrond-Turin-and-Finduilas-299789776 54. Túrin in Nargothrond Credit: Klaus Wittmann www.artstation.com/artwork/W2NOE3 55. Host of Nargothrond Credit: Anke Eißmann anke.edoras-art.de/cgi-bin/turin.pl?file=host_nargothrond.jpg 56. Turin’s Vision Credit: ebe-kastein www.deviantart.com/ebe-kastein/art/Turin-s-Vision-509802779 57. Sack of Nargothrond Credit: Denis Gordeev book-graphics.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-children-of-hurin.html 58. Túrin and Glaurung at Nargothrond Credit: Helge C. Balzer helgecbalzer.com 59. Finduilas passes by Túrin Credit: Denis Gordeev book-graphics.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-children-of-hurin.html 60. Sack of Nargothrond Credit: Donato Giancola donatoarts.com/middle-earth 61. Bilbo Meets Smaug [film clip] Directed by Peter Jackson The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug, 2013, Warner Bros. Pictures, U.S.A. 62. Túrin Reaches the Abandoned Homestead Credit: Ted Nasmith www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/turin-reaches-the-abandoned-homestead/ 63. Sketch 1 Credit: He Xiaosong www.artstation.com/artwork/qA9bNP 64. Aerin Credit: TurnerMohan www.deviantart.com/turnermohan/art/Aerin-398610285 65. Túrin Kills Brodda Credit: Denis Gordeev book-graphics.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-children-of-hurin.html 66. Into the Woods: Woodland Credit: Kilian Schönberger kilianschoenberger.neuerstandard.de/koken/index.php?/albums/woodland/content/904458_522738114452921_1698248811_os/ 67. Túrin is Led to the Mound of Finduilas Credit: Ted Nasmith www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/turin-is-led-to-the-mound-of-finduilas/ 68. Brandir Credit: dakkun39 dakkun39.tumblr.com/post/142015198218/マブルングやベレグの髪って何色なんだろうどこかに詳しく書かれてたりするのかなぁ 69. Brandir Credit: Lektion www.deviantart.com/lektion/art/Brandir-494626235 70. Nienor Credit: ForeverMedhok www.pinterest.com/pin/569564684115090143/ 71. Morwen and Nienor Credit: Katarzyna Karina Chmiel-Gugulska lavender.www.nn.ru/?page=gallery&MFID=159550&IID=2771709 72. Nienor Sees Glaurung for the First Time Credit: Denis Gordeev book-graphics.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-children-of-hurin.html 73. Nienor and Glaurung Credit: Elena Kukanova www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/Nienor-and-Glaurung-359790065 74. Glaurung’s Gaze Credit: ebe-kastein www.deviantart.com/ebe-kastein/art/Glaurung-s-Gaze-492777365 75. Forgetfulness Credit: Donato Giancola donatoarts.com/middle-earth 76. The Glance of Glaurung Credit: Alaexey Rudikov www.artstation.com/artwork/VLW1g 77. Nienor Flees the Orcs Credit: Ted Nasmith www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/nienor-flees-the-orcs/ 78. Nienor Flees Into the Woods (MECCG) Credit: Ted Nasmith www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/nienor-flees-into-the-woods-meccg/ 79. Nienor Credit: Elena Kukanova www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/Nienor-284286812 80. Túrin Discovers Nienor at the Mound of Finduilas Credit: Ted Nasmith www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/turin-discovers-nienor-at-the-mound-of-finduilas/ 81. Túrin and Nienor Credit: dakkun39 dakkun39.tumblr.com/post/142015198218/マブルングやベレグの髪って何色なんだろうどこかに詳しく書かれてたりするのかなぁ 82. Túrin and Nienor Credit: Katarzyna Karina Chmiel-Gugulska lavender.www.nn.ru/?page=gallery&MFID=159550&IID=2771723 83. A Knight and His Lady Credit: William G. Mackenzie fineartamerica.com/featured/a-knight-and-his-lady-william-g-mackenzie.html 84. Ophelia Credit: Jules Joseph Lefebvre upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Ophelia_Lefebvre.jpg 85. Nienor Credit: Līga Kļaviņa www.liveinternet.ru/users/3255824/post254915236/ 86. Gudbrandsjuvet Gorge, Valldal, Norway Credit: Striderv www.flickr.com/photos/striderv/23053254159/in/photostream/ 87. Maligne Slot Canyon Credit: Robert Downie flickr.com/photos/robertdownie/46162089342/ 88. Turin Credit: Līga Kļaviņa www.deviantart.com/liigaklavina/art/Turin-185812104 89. The Death of Glaurung Credit: John Howe www.john-howe.com/portfolio/gallery/details.php?image_id=1011 90. Túrin Retrieving His Sword from Glaurung Credit: Denis Gordeev book-graphics.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-children-of-hurin.html 91. Glaurung the Deceiver Credit: Çağlayan Kaya Göksoy www.deviantart.com/ckgoksoy/art/Glaurung-The-Deciever-494701469 92. Yosemite Forest Fire 148 Credit: Darvin Atkeson www.flickr.com/photos/liquidmoonlightcom/14617961418 93. The death of Glaurung Credit: Elena Kukanova www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/The-death-of-Glaurung-278684749 94. Nienor Realizes Who Túrin Is Credit: Denis Gordeev book-graphics.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-children-of-hurin.html 95. Nienor’s Despair Credit: Ted Nasmith www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/nienors-despair/ 96. Wild Mountains: Bohemian and Bavarian Forest Credit: Kilian Schönberger kilianschoenberger.neuerstandard.de/koken/index.php?/albums/sumava-et-al/content/10379970-726550024071728-5179285958471986462-o/ 97. Dragon’s Curse Credit: John Howe www.john-howe.com/portfolio/gallery/details.php?image_id=321 98. The end of suffering Credit: noei1984 www.deviantart.com/noei1984/art/The-end-of-suffering-48732596 99. Túrin Dead Credit: Katarzyna Karina Chmiel-Gugulska cstor.nn2.ru/userfiles/data/ufiles/1/2/77/17/2771716.Turin_4.jpg 100. Burial Mount at Sutton Hoo Credit: Justin Mimms www.nationaltrust.org.uk/sutton-hoo/features/a-new-dawn-for-sutton-hoo
This has got to be Tolkien at his darkest and most typically tragic. In fact, I think there are definitely parallels between Of Turin Turambar and the formula of Greek tragedy.
What I find great about the tragic events of the Silmarillion is that the characters often meet their doom not just by curses or dreadful oaths sworn in vain; but also when Elves and Men show prejudice or envy of one another. Eru's plan was for them to be brothers and sisters to one another and in the early days they held each other as one kin. But the lies of Morgoth never stopped trying to take root in their hearts. So sad.
My favorite part is when Oddjob throws the cup. There's indignities, and then there is a Dragon casting a hey look at me spell on you and reminding you how terrible things are going.
Turin mocks Glaurung during the wyrm’s throes. It felt so good when reading it. Short-lived but still, cathartic. Glaurung arguably was the scourge of the 1st age. He was instrumental in winning the 4th & 5th Great Battles of Beleriand, He ruined Nargothrond, & decimated the line of Hurin utterly. Truly one of the Tolkien-verse’s Big Bads
@@lfwinesroad3399 love your channel. Stumbled upon it shortly after your 1st few posts. It’s a treasure to Tolkien fans. You’re gr8 at making big themes & story elements digestible. I hope I can draw my adolescent son into Tolkien fandom someday, once he begins browsing literature for himself. Your channel will be go-to when that time comes. Thank you for the great wrk
Fate was cruel... for Tiurin's sister came to live exactly how that elf in Doriath claimed Turin's family must live.... with nothing to clothe them but their hair. This SHOULD have clued Turin in, I'd think.... poor guy.
A very credible summary of the tale. I would like to compliment you on your pronunciation of Tolkien’s languages, which to my ear seems accurate and yet never overwrought. I dare say you would have served well as a coach to the actors in Peter Jackson’s films, who sometimes overdid the more exotic sounds. On this topic, what in your view is the correct pronunciation of “Isen” and “Isengard?” My feeling is that the now universally accepted “EYE-sin-gard” is not consistent with Tolkien’s orthographic rules, either for Elvish or Rohirric, and that EE-sin and EE-sin-gard would be more correct. I assume that “AI-sen” was an on-set decision when the films were made, which has now gained traction, but I’ve heard some claim that Tolkien himself pronounced it that way in a recording. Do you have any insight?
Thank you so much! What a lovely comment 😀 The Isengard pronunciation question is certainly one that I've considered before. According to tolkiengateway.net, under the "etymology" section of the article on Isengard, the word is actually Old English for "iron-enclosure." I don't know anything about Old English pronunciation, so I just assume that the "eye-sengard" pronunciation is right 😄 Your comment inspired me do a short bit of sleuthing on UA-cam out of curiosity, and I found the recording! 👍 Here is Tolkien's lovely recitation of the Ents' marching song when they go to storm Isengard: ua-cam.com/video/mprH_47QvSM/v-deo.html Enjoy! 😊
@ very interesting, and thanks for the link. I actually have studied Old English (decades ago, now), but I had forgotten, if I ever knew, that “Isengard” meant “iron enclosure.” It makes sense that Tolkien used an OE name, since (as you are undoubtedly aware) OE was his basis for the language and culture of Rohan. The odd thing is, the scholarly consensus is that in OE, “I” was pronounced “ee,” as in “meet,” or as in “ship.” Tolkien must have known that, so why does he pronounce it “EYE-sin-grad” in the recording? I wonder if he misspoke on the first mention and the just went with it for consistency? That seems unlikely…maybe he disagreed with how I was pronounced in OE…also seems unlikely. Given how reliable his orthographic rules generally are, this evident exception is puzzling, especially since the “eye” sound didn’t exist in OE, as far as we can be sure of such things (this is based on my five-minute review of OE phonology). Another Middle Earth mystery, I guess. If you are interested, here is a quick primer on OE pronunciation: ua-cam.com/video/yvlj3JYTN80/v-deo.htmlsi=8m0o9mugSSqJcGYY
Yeaaa, the Elves weren't super nice to the petty dwarves by hunting them down like animals...it's very easy to forget just how fucked up the Elves could be sometimes.
Turin doesn’t stab Glaurung while he is sleeping?????? He stabs him from below when the dragon 🐉 throws part of his body over the ravine and while is belly is exposed Turin stabs him from below!!!!!! I know their is several versions on the story but this is the main one from the Silmarillion
I have a question did Niniel gave birth to the baby? Or did she learned that was pregnant and that's when she goes after Turin to "help him" fight the dragon?
Good question. She never gives birth to the baby. Once she comes across Túrin and the dragon gives her her memory back, she realizes she's pregnant and commits suicide. It's such a terribly tragic story 😞
Also, another question probably not related to this part of the story, And sorry to bug you hahaha, but do we know more about how those the phial of Galadriel contains the light of Eärendill?
It's probably best that Tolkien didn't include Turin's and Nienor's (Niniel) marriage on the Beor The Old's family tree. Would be strange to see that that they were both born from Morwen and Hurin and then ALSO have that equal sign between them indicating their union...ick! I can also guarantee that Nienor never gave birth to the incestual child. That is just not Tolkien's style, best to end that line forever as doomed as it was. However, poor Hurin had to witness it ALL with the magic sight of Morgoth while imprisoned in Angband!
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Pictures in order of appearance cont'd:
40. Gwindor
Credit: Unknown
vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lotr/images/5/5e/Gwindor.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20191108233401
41. The last moments of Beleg Cúthalion
Credit: Anke Eißmann
anke.edoras-art.de/cgi-bin/turin.pl?file=last_moments.jpg
42. Jacob Wrestling with the Angel
Credit: Alexander Louis Leloir
fineartamerica.com/featured/jacob-wrestling-with-the-angel-alexander-louis-leloir.html
43. Túrin Kills Beleg
Credit: Denis Gordeev
yadi.sk/a/ZE9M2u5y3VVtCJ/5af0a9af404b0da945e3c8d4
44. Turin and Beleg
Credit: steamey
www.deviantart.com/steamey/art/Turin-and-Beleg-512521433
45. Beleg Is Slain
Credit: Ted Nasmith
www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/beleg-is-slain/
46. The Death of Beleg
Credit: Elena Kukanova
www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/The-Deth-of-Beleg-716433501
47. Into the Woods: Hidden Creek
Credit: Kilian Schönberger
kilianschoenberger.neuerstandard.de/koken/index.php?/albums/hidden-creek/content/617196_441889892537744_817008728_o/
48. Nargothrond
Credit: Jonathan Guzi
www.artstation.com/artwork/aRQmL
49. Princess of Nargothrond
Credit: Elena Kukanova
www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/Princess-of-Nargothrond-683701569
50. Orodreth
Credit: Elena Kukanova
www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/Orodreth-680960466
51. Skyblivion - Umbra
Credit: Roberto Gatto
www.artstation.com/artwork/22ZOJ
52. Mormegil (Black Sword)
Credit: Peter Xavier Price
facebook.com/peterxavierprice/photos/a.312857132236044/312898605565230/?type=3&theater
53. Nargothrond. Turin and Finduilas
Credit: Elena Kukanova
www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/Nargothrond-Turin-and-Finduilas-299789776
54. Túrin in Nargothrond
Credit: Klaus Wittmann
www.artstation.com/artwork/W2NOE3
55. Host of Nargothrond
Credit: Anke Eißmann
anke.edoras-art.de/cgi-bin/turin.pl?file=host_nargothrond.jpg
56. Turin’s Vision
Credit: ebe-kastein
www.deviantart.com/ebe-kastein/art/Turin-s-Vision-509802779
57. Sack of Nargothrond
Credit: Denis Gordeev
book-graphics.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-children-of-hurin.html
58. Túrin and Glaurung at Nargothrond
Credit: Helge C. Balzer
helgecbalzer.com
59. Finduilas passes by Túrin
Credit: Denis Gordeev
book-graphics.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-children-of-hurin.html
60. Sack of Nargothrond
Credit: Donato Giancola
donatoarts.com/middle-earth
61. Bilbo Meets Smaug [film clip]
Directed by Peter Jackson
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug, 2013, Warner Bros. Pictures, U.S.A.
62. Túrin Reaches the Abandoned Homestead
Credit: Ted Nasmith
www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/turin-reaches-the-abandoned-homestead/
63. Sketch 1
Credit: He Xiaosong
www.artstation.com/artwork/qA9bNP
64. Aerin
Credit: TurnerMohan
www.deviantart.com/turnermohan/art/Aerin-398610285
65. Túrin Kills Brodda
Credit: Denis Gordeev
book-graphics.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-children-of-hurin.html
66. Into the Woods: Woodland
Credit: Kilian Schönberger
kilianschoenberger.neuerstandard.de/koken/index.php?/albums/woodland/content/904458_522738114452921_1698248811_os/
67. Túrin is Led to the Mound of Finduilas
Credit: Ted Nasmith
www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/turin-is-led-to-the-mound-of-finduilas/
68. Brandir
Credit: dakkun39
dakkun39.tumblr.com/post/142015198218/マブルングやベレグの髪って何色なんだろうどこかに詳しく書かれてたりするのかなぁ
69. Brandir
Credit: Lektion
www.deviantart.com/lektion/art/Brandir-494626235
70. Nienor
Credit: ForeverMedhok
www.pinterest.com/pin/569564684115090143/
71. Morwen and Nienor
Credit: Katarzyna Karina Chmiel-Gugulska
lavender.www.nn.ru/?page=gallery&MFID=159550&IID=2771709
72. Nienor Sees Glaurung for the First Time
Credit: Denis Gordeev
book-graphics.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-children-of-hurin.html
73. Nienor and Glaurung
Credit: Elena Kukanova
www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/Nienor-and-Glaurung-359790065
74. Glaurung’s Gaze
Credit: ebe-kastein
www.deviantart.com/ebe-kastein/art/Glaurung-s-Gaze-492777365
75. Forgetfulness
Credit: Donato Giancola
donatoarts.com/middle-earth
76. The Glance of Glaurung
Credit: Alaexey Rudikov
www.artstation.com/artwork/VLW1g
77. Nienor Flees the Orcs
Credit: Ted Nasmith
www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/nienor-flees-the-orcs/
78. Nienor Flees Into the Woods (MECCG)
Credit: Ted Nasmith
www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/nienor-flees-into-the-woods-meccg/
79. Nienor
Credit: Elena Kukanova
www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/Nienor-284286812
80. Túrin Discovers Nienor at the Mound of Finduilas
Credit: Ted Nasmith
www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/turin-discovers-nienor-at-the-mound-of-finduilas/
81. Túrin and Nienor
Credit: dakkun39
dakkun39.tumblr.com/post/142015198218/マブルングやベレグの髪って何色なんだろうどこかに詳しく書かれてたりするのかなぁ
82. Túrin and Nienor
Credit: Katarzyna Karina Chmiel-Gugulska
lavender.www.nn.ru/?page=gallery&MFID=159550&IID=2771723
83. A Knight and His Lady
Credit: William G. Mackenzie
fineartamerica.com/featured/a-knight-and-his-lady-william-g-mackenzie.html
84. Ophelia
Credit: Jules Joseph Lefebvre
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Ophelia_Lefebvre.jpg
85. Nienor
Credit: Līga Kļaviņa
www.liveinternet.ru/users/3255824/post254915236/
86. Gudbrandsjuvet Gorge, Valldal, Norway
Credit: Striderv
www.flickr.com/photos/striderv/23053254159/in/photostream/
87. Maligne Slot Canyon
Credit: Robert Downie
flickr.com/photos/robertdownie/46162089342/
88. Turin
Credit: Līga Kļaviņa
www.deviantart.com/liigaklavina/art/Turin-185812104
89. The Death of Glaurung
Credit: John Howe
www.john-howe.com/portfolio/gallery/details.php?image_id=1011
90. Túrin Retrieving His Sword from Glaurung
Credit: Denis Gordeev
book-graphics.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-children-of-hurin.html
91. Glaurung the Deceiver
Credit: Çağlayan Kaya Göksoy
www.deviantart.com/ckgoksoy/art/Glaurung-The-Deciever-494701469
92. Yosemite Forest Fire 148
Credit: Darvin Atkeson
www.flickr.com/photos/liquidmoonlightcom/14617961418
93. The death of Glaurung
Credit: Elena Kukanova
www.deviantart.com/ekukanova/art/The-death-of-Glaurung-278684749
94. Nienor Realizes Who Túrin Is
Credit: Denis Gordeev
book-graphics.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-children-of-hurin.html
95. Nienor’s Despair
Credit: Ted Nasmith
www.tednasmith.com/tolkien/nienors-despair/
96. Wild Mountains: Bohemian and Bavarian Forest
Credit: Kilian Schönberger
kilianschoenberger.neuerstandard.de/koken/index.php?/albums/sumava-et-al/content/10379970-726550024071728-5179285958471986462-o/
97. Dragon’s Curse
Credit: John Howe
www.john-howe.com/portfolio/gallery/details.php?image_id=321
98. The end of suffering
Credit: noei1984
www.deviantart.com/noei1984/art/The-end-of-suffering-48732596
99. Túrin Dead
Credit: Katarzyna Karina Chmiel-Gugulska
cstor.nn2.ru/userfiles/data/ufiles/1/2/77/17/2771716.Turin_4.jpg
100. Burial Mount at Sutton Hoo
Credit: Justin Mimms
www.nationaltrust.org.uk/sutton-hoo/features/a-new-dawn-for-sutton-hoo
i can imagine a great movie based on this epic one .
This has got to be Tolkien at his darkest and most typically tragic. In fact, I think there are definitely parallels between Of Turin Turambar and the formula of Greek tragedy.
Indeed!
Shakespeare as well 🍻
ahh i remember tolkien wrote ``turin your life sucks and so do you´´ he had such poetic ways with words :D
:-D
Hahahahahaha I love that part 😂
Melian just exist to give good advice and than to be ignored and proven right.
It seems that way, doesn't it? :-D
Incredibly epic, poignant, and tragic.
You do such an awesome job with the storytelling, thanks so much for this amazing content!
You're very welcome! Thank you for the lovely comment 😊
What I find great about the tragic events of the Silmarillion is that the characters often meet their doom not just by curses or dreadful oaths sworn in vain; but also when Elves and Men show prejudice or envy of one another.
Eru's plan was for them to be brothers and sisters to one another and in the early days they held each other as one kin. But the lies of Morgoth never stopped trying to take root in their hearts.
So sad.
Great observation!
Excellent work, I’ve been watching your videos and it’s really helping me interpret the lengthy and thorough middle section of the sim.
Thank you so much! I'm so glad my videos have proven useful 😀
That part with the lighting is so well done very vivid in the imagination ,
Great job! This is the first of you videos I've watched and I really appreciate it!
Well thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed it :-D
My favorite part is when Oddjob throws the cup. There's indignities, and then there is a Dragon casting a hey look at me spell on you and reminding you how terrible things are going.
:-D
Probably the darkest tale Tolkien ever told. A harrowing read.
Indeed, I certainly agree with you!
Turin mocks Glaurung during the wyrm’s throes. It felt so good when reading it. Short-lived but still, cathartic. Glaurung arguably was the scourge of the 1st age. He was instrumental in winning the 4th & 5th Great Battles of Beleriand, He ruined Nargothrond, & decimated the line of Hurin utterly. Truly one of the Tolkien-verse’s Big Bads
Great comment! Yes, Glaurung is indeed an enormous evil during the First Age. 🐉
@@lfwinesroad3399 love your channel. Stumbled upon it shortly after your 1st few posts. It’s a treasure to Tolkien fans. You’re gr8 at making big themes & story elements digestible. I hope I can draw my adolescent son into Tolkien fandom someday, once he begins browsing literature for himself. Your channel will be go-to when that time comes. Thank you for the great wrk
@@TheDeadlyKnight You're very welcome! Thank you so much for the kind words. I also hope your son discovers and enjoys Tolkien's work someday. 😊👍
Fate was cruel... for Tiurin's sister came to live exactly how that elf in Doriath claimed Turin's family must live.... with nothing to clothe them but their hair. This SHOULD have clued Turin in, I'd think.... poor guy.
Indeed! It's so sad to watch all the puzzle pieces of fate fall into place in this tale.
Melian looks like Kassandra of Middle-earth and, come to think of it, Mandos is like Kassandra of Valinor. Nobody believes prophecies of the wise.
Agreed!
poor finduilas 😔. I wish Turin rescued her😭
I know, it's just so tragic. If only he didn't go to Dor-lómin.
A very credible summary of the tale. I would like to compliment you on your pronunciation of Tolkien’s languages, which to my ear seems accurate and yet never overwrought. I dare say you would have served well as a coach to the actors in Peter Jackson’s films, who sometimes overdid the more exotic sounds.
On this topic, what in your view is the correct pronunciation of “Isen” and “Isengard?” My feeling is that the now universally accepted “EYE-sin-gard” is not consistent with Tolkien’s orthographic rules, either for Elvish or Rohirric, and that EE-sin and EE-sin-gard would be more correct. I assume that “AI-sen” was an on-set decision when the films were made, which has now gained traction, but I’ve heard some claim that Tolkien himself pronounced it that way in a recording. Do you have any insight?
Thank you so much! What a lovely comment 😀 The Isengard pronunciation question is certainly one that I've considered before. According to tolkiengateway.net, under the "etymology" section of the article on Isengard, the word is actually Old English for "iron-enclosure." I don't know anything about Old English pronunciation, so I just assume that the "eye-sengard" pronunciation is right 😄 Your comment inspired me do a short bit of sleuthing on UA-cam out of curiosity, and I found the recording! 👍 Here is Tolkien's lovely recitation of the Ents' marching song when they go to storm Isengard: ua-cam.com/video/mprH_47QvSM/v-deo.html
Enjoy! 😊
@ very interesting, and thanks for the link. I actually have studied Old English (decades ago, now), but I had forgotten, if I ever knew, that “Isengard” meant “iron enclosure.” It makes sense that Tolkien used an OE name, since (as you are undoubtedly aware) OE was his basis for the language and culture of Rohan. The odd thing is, the scholarly consensus is that in OE, “I” was pronounced “ee,” as in “meet,” or as in “ship.” Tolkien must have known that, so why does he pronounce it “EYE-sin-grad” in the recording? I wonder if he misspoke on the first mention and the just went with it for consistency? That seems unlikely…maybe he disagreed with how I was pronounced in OE…also seems unlikely. Given how reliable his orthographic rules generally are, this evident exception is puzzling, especially since the “eye” sound didn’t exist in OE, as far as we can be sure of such things (this is based on my five-minute review of OE phonology).
Another Middle Earth mystery, I guess.
If you are interested, here is a quick primer on OE pronunciation: ua-cam.com/video/yvlj3JYTN80/v-deo.htmlsi=8m0o9mugSSqJcGYY
@@obxwave Another Middle-earth mystery indeed! I wish we knew for certain. Oh well! Thank you very much for the link. Old English is so fascinating. 😃
Thanks , again great art
That's melians secret recipe 🤣🤣🤣
Yeaaa, the Elves weren't super nice to the petty dwarves by hunting them down like animals...it's very easy to forget just how fucked up the Elves could be sometimes.
Indeed!
Turin doesn’t stab Glaurung while he is sleeping?????? He stabs him from below when the dragon 🐉 throws part of his body over the ravine and while is belly is exposed Turin stabs him from below!!!!!! I know their is several versions on the story but this is the main one from the Silmarillion
Glaurung is like as long as a skyscraper so there was enough time to do so
I have a question did Niniel gave birth to the baby? Or did she learned that was pregnant and that's when she goes after Turin to "help him" fight the dragon?
Good question. She never gives birth to the baby. Once she comes across Túrin and the dragon gives her her memory back, she realizes she's pregnant and commits suicide. It's such a terribly tragic story 😞
Oh mannnn tragic indeed!!!! Thanks for the clarification!
@@chatterllysrivera5460 No problem!
Also, another question probably not related to this part of the story, And sorry to bug you hahaha, but do we know more about how those the phial of Galadriel contains the light of Eärendill?
@@chatterllysrivera5460 That's a great question! I don't believe that we know the specifics of exactly how the light got into the phial.
It's probably best that Tolkien didn't include Turin's and Nienor's (Niniel) marriage on the Beor The Old's family tree. Would be strange to see that that they were both born from Morwen and Hurin and then ALSO have that equal sign between them indicating their union...ick!
I can also guarantee that Nienor never gave birth to the incestual child. That is just not Tolkien's style, best to end that line forever as doomed as it was. However, poor Hurin had to witness it ALL with the magic sight of Morgoth while imprisoned in Angband!
Ick indeed! I agree with your comment. It's such a tragic story.
I’m just... like I-...😳
Dang and Heck!
Indeed!
Wow this guy's life really sucked.
It sure did!