@@rafdor5131 he is talking nonsense. Sony can’t even build enough PS5s to satisfy current demand due to the chip shortages so they won’t be redesigning the machine anytime soon.
I would have reinstalled the cover anyway because I am ocd about things being the way it is is intended, but I like how you inform people about things, just in case.
Same here. That SHOULD be common sense when you take something apart it should all go back together...unless you have a couple extra screws then you toss them in the spare bin :P
@@t0mmyb0y1983yeah, if it's there it should go back. Why on earth would one not reinstall the cover, it's officially a part of the console. Atleast you and I know to reinstall the cover and everyone else who watched this video.
Out of all the PS5 SSD expansion videos I have watched you have been the only one to give the actual technical explanation of why the cover needs to go back on...and this is why I subscribe to you!
@Matthew Harrup But it is meant to have cover replaced, you can take the air filter out of a car and it will work fine too, but eventually you will start to run into problems.
@Matthew Harrup if y don't use a heatsink it's going to over heat up faster then one with a heat sink which will impact your read and write speeds heavily. ssds work great at the right temp. If u go too high it starts go just not work as efficiently and then the read and writes take a massive hit and decline but eh you do you. Its only like 10 dollars or pounds for a heat sink. Some ppl will always do things against the recommendations but eh whatever.
except there was a study that tested whether installing the cover and with or without a heatsink was necessary, and they found that using a heatsink and not putting the cover back on lead to the lowest temperatures on the ssd.
For those wondering, Sabrent Heatsink does fit inside of the digital version PS5 but won't allow the PS5 shell to go back on. If you want this to work out you'll need to own the disc version. I have the Sabrent SSD and heatsink but sadly can't put my PS5 shell back on because I own the digital version, and yes I was ok with not using the SSD cover since I own a dust blower that I use to clean out my PC. Luckily I do own 2 extra slimmer heatsinks I bought way before So I'm good unless I end up with a disc version in the future.
I have PS5 disc version and have installed Sabrent Rocket Plus with Sabrent heatsink. This is designed to be used without reinstalling the cover this video is talking about. Maybe this video was created before the design and release of the Sabrent?
My knowledge of electronics engineering is limited to say the least! So this is a really good succinct explanation of why you need put the cover back. Cheers fella. 👍🏼
Everything is anecdotal until he proves otherwise. All of my testing proves otherwise and I've been working in technology for over 30 years and reference design for 7.
Negative pressure works, but temperature is still 5 - 8 degrees higher than cover off. For lower SSD temps, cover off still measures lower temperatures. If dust affected SSD performance Apple would have put some sort of dust protection on their MacBooks and iMacs but they don't, like 99% of PC's. A PS5 is a medium spec PC, with a fancy controller.
I personally left mine off to better expose the heatsink for overall airflow over the whole surface. sealing it wouldn't stop the ssd from heating up, but airflow over the actual heatsink would dissipate it more effectively. If those hole with a cover on was the most efficient way of removing heat, then PC manufacturers would have utilized a low form factor venting solution out the back of every PC case years ago.
Gamers Nexus did testing and have the side covers off decreased internal temperatures of the PS5. So while it might help against dust, it certainly causes more heat concerns. If you clean it often enough, it should be fine without the side panels. Interestingly enough my PS4 Pro actually gets less dust accumulation without the top panel on.
That VP also said in the beginning that no additional cooling structure would be needed for M.2 SSDs in the PS5. So they must have underestimated the heat they will produce or the negative pressure cooling doesn't work as they hoped. I wouldn't be surprised if a thermal test showed it's better to leave the metal plate off. But dust is still an issue.
Another youtuber tested this with it removed it was on average 2 degrees Celsius lower than with it fitted but both well below the max temp by like 20 degrees so fitting it isn't gonna give any benefits except dust control but not fitting it will result in more dust so although it will be 2 degrees lower at first the more dust that accumulates in that bay and all over the drive will result in a lot higher temps, so it be best to fit it. Unless you wanna continuously remove the stand side plate cover and ssd and clean it every week
@@jjadey1752 yes I've seen that video also and the only thing about it is that the test they did with the plate off they used a much bigger heatsink. I think if they had used the same compact heatsink during the test it would've shown the difference in cooling is even less.
@@sgtsqueaky yes I agree, also if you think about it with the hatch off all the excess heat can escape so that large heatsink in my mind isn't actually cooling it any more than the compact syncs. A difference of only 2 tells me its probably the hatch being off that is making the difference there, therea another company releasing an nvme drive for ps which is supposed to be the fastest ever it releases in October but I cant remember what brand it is. I cant wait to see the tests for that. Apparently it uses a thin neoprene heat sync which is interesting. At least I think they said neoprene
There are still people asking if it's OK to not use a heatsink on their NVME drive even though the official guidance says to use one. Some people will do anything they can to be that one person the rules don't apply to, just so they can tell everyone about it. Weirdos.
I'm by no means a professional when it comes to these things, but it feels like common sense to put it back together as it was 😅 Very good, short and informative video👍
@@victorl8804 seeing that the standard SATA SSD is capped way below the 970 EVO NVME 4X speeds I do not see the problem. SATA 561 MB/s read 561 write or in that general area, NVME 3000 MB/s plus read and 1500 MB/s plus write.
2:10 What small bits are you talking about. Are you refering to the screw holes for diferent size drives? And even if air was being sucked out, it would be more efficient if air could get in from the other side, otherwise it creates a vacuum. The only reason I believe to put the cover on is for dust protection
@@OfficialSamuelC lol you know nothing about PC hardware… if you had basic knowledge, you would know what the required operating temperature for NVMe drive is and why buying one with a heat sink is overkill. Also you might want to look up EMI and RF Shielding, it’s been part of basic console/pc construction since the 80s…
@@OfficialSamuelC lmao, I fully understood what the guy was trying to say. I just completely disagree. (maybe you dont understand the word vacuum, and assumed im refering to a vacuum cleaner in regards to dust) Airflow works better if there is an inlet and an outlet. Firstly, those screw holes arent extraction vents, and if they were, they would work better with the lid off. I only agree with his second point about dust and fluff build up. But its not hard to give a clean out every now and then.
@@SteveDavies80 Those are screw holes, not vents. If the M.2 was left without a cover, it would be sufficiently cooled and probably better off without being covered. He literally just explained in the video… the entire air intake would pass over the heat sink as it entered the PS5… I’m betting if someone did testing with temperature probes, the SSD would be much cooler with that silly cover off.
@@pennywisethedancingclown7139 I known they are screw holes. That is what I said. The guy in the video called them vents and he says it is neccessary to reinstall the cover for propper ventilation. As far as Im concerned, leaving the cover off will be better for cooling, but putting the cover on protects from dust.
Strangely enough there was a whole article about this comparing Temps. With ssd cover on with out heatsink, with heatsink, cover off, etc. The Temps were better with the cover off, with a heatsink. Look up Toms hardware.
Heck, if the cover wasn't required to be reinstalled, I doubt Sony would have included it in the first place. Companies don't just add parts to their designs for the fun of it. If they could save money by not including something and the product still would function properly, they would do it. I'm surprised anyone thought that Sony mustn't have known what they were doing from a temperature control perspective with regards to the cover, and that it should be removed and not reinstalled.
You always stick a thin piece of aluminum to the top of that cover or even use aluminum tape to help transfer heat to the larger metal cover. Anything helps. I used to work in electronic manufacturing...Sometimes i had to make mods such as getting people in house to cut aluminum bars becuase prefab heatsink didnt cool it enough or fit/size didnt fit and would simply cost lots of money to get special heatsink made..or have the PCB re design..Then that might not fit into the enclousre..ect I solved it without increase production cost .There's rev changes made during production for many reasons.
I’m biased on this whole argument! those aren’t air vents… those are screw holes lol. The PS5 air intake would pass over the entire M.2 heatsink with that silly cover off. I bet if someone did testing with a temperature probe, the SSD would run just as cool or cooler with that cover off! Just like they say to keep the side plates on the PS5. But the entire system runs cooler if you pull all the plates off. Sometimes it’s not best to always listen to the recommendation setups.
Ya. Been running it without with no temperature variance. Used temperature probs and laser Temps to verify stable play for nearly 70 plus hours without issue. Monitored every hour.
I made a custom m.2 cover to fit the huge heatsink on it. But if you have a huge heatsink this is not a issue as it passively cooling the m.2 anyway. the only thing is if you don't have a heatsink on the m.2 drive DO NOT LEAVE the cover off. ive done tests and ive found massive m.2 heatsink passively cools the m.2 better (by about 10-13deg cel) than with a tiny heat sink and the m.2 cover on. im gonna post the results soon. so in conclusion unless you got a large heatsink on the m.2 drive then replace the cover. but if you have a massive heat sink you don't need to worry as the passive cooling of the large heatsink is enough. wish I could post my pics
Yea I agree buddy.My Sabrent heat sink is HUGE.And it takes the entire space of the cover that comes with Ps5!Its so thick& I can tell its working well btw.Good comment @Mustached gamer🤜🤛✌Its a really tight fit too I see on PS5....
During the official tear down, the metal parts inside that housing is part of a giant metal piece which is cooled by the PS5 fan. So yeah, put the SSD cover ON to let the fan do its job.
@@yonkocommander5531 You'll probably be fine, the problem is we'll never really know long term unless someone does thermal tests now and long term. I just know Sony designed it purposely that way for a reason, whether it's dust prevention or thermal reasons.
this is like the 3rd video i've seen on your channel that explains this very thing within the last few days and i feel like im going to keep clicking on them whenever i see a different one pop up.
Cheers for the info. Not gonna use the info though but good to know. I'm a bit old school so just gonna keep using my external SSD instead. I don't run that many games as daily drivers so I have enough internal space for those, then just use an external SSD to hold all my old PS4 titles and as a temp storage for PS5 games I play but not running as daily drivers. Keep up the great coverage 👊🏿💯
Hey, there! Watched a lot of other videos testing that feature and many discount the actual need to replace that cover. I installed the Sabrent Heat Sink, which is quite large, and due to it's technical features am comfortable not putting that plate on.
I'm not going to use only the PS5 cooling for the heatsink because they need direct cooling. You can 3D print a cover with holes and a filter so that you don't have to worry about the hole and dust. You can power fans externally or from the slot if they followed the standards.
I understand if you have a house that gets real dusty but the ssd slot has maybe 2 places in the ssd slot that could be considered to barely vent. So other than the dust( if you have a dusty house or office) theirs no real benefit to the cover in my opinion. I'll take my chances with the heatsink I installed. the heatsink I'm using is barely to big for my ssd door to go back on. I've been using it this way tho since the betas release with the 980pro. I've checked a couple times for ventilation and dust and it really doesn't seem like an issue so far. The only video I've found other than this one showed that the little bit bigger heatsink was about 2 to 5 degrees cooler than a ssd with the low profile ssd w/the door on. Idk....what do yall think🤔. Hope this helps others who ordered a bigger heatsink by accident! GREAT video tho bro!!!
@@PhoenixWebTV that was actually my first thought. The likelihood of not using the door messing with your airflow doesn't seem likely. It's a beta for a reason. We will see what they say when the official version comes out!
There should be some testing performed by preferably Gamers Nexus. My personal experience is that a beefier heatsink without the cover performs better than having the cover on. The tiny holes on the sides of the cover aren't optimal in cas your heatsink ribbons are oriented parallel with the M.2 SSD.
Someone needs to make a custom cover for bigger heatsinks... I got the Rocket NVME heatsink and that's huge but it does the Best job at keeping the NVME cool.
@@arifmunshi6833 Not really. If you look at the whole unit with the cover on, there are 2 tiny cut out channels in the plastic that allow air to be drawn out of the NVMe bay by the main console fan. By leaving the cover off, the air can be drawn without being confined to those small channels. The result will be far better heat dissipation.
I’ve purposely been waiting to get a PS5 since you couldn’t upgrade the storage from the get-go and for the system to work out its kinks. I didn’t want to run into any red ring of death type issues with the first GEN PS5.
I would say very wise but each to their own. Me, we'll I've had my digital since launch day. Life changing and anyone who hasn't got one and wants one. Is missing out bigtime.
@@XGen_0214 not really. I've been playing old titles on it. Not much choice. I already played ac, spider man, and DS. DS was awesome. Nothing else really worth it
@@XGen_0214 To each their own, agreed. For me being a old-head gamer I’m very patient. I play a lot of older titles as I still have every system and game I ever had from Atari to PS4.
Very good video and I have watched a number of your videos in the past. What you say is correct most of the time. I struggled knowing what heatsink to use with the NVME that would allow me to put the cover back on. After a bit of digging I found that if you buy the Sabrent M.2 NVMe PS5 heatsink (SB-PSHS) this replaces the cover you refer to. I purchased the heatsink with with the Sabrent 1TB NVME drive and it is an excellent kit. If you are interested you can see my video on it on my UA-cam channel. If you use a different heatsink then what you say is totally true and you need to use the PlayStation 5 original cover.
I've heard so many people say it doesn't matter whether you put the cover back on or not, or leaving the cover off actually improves cooling. Personally I think I'll listen to the people who actually designed and built the console. lol
This is what i learned from years of tinkering with pc and laptop cooling. Not every covers are bad and not every openings are good. The most important things are airflow and air pressure. With good airflow and air pressure, even the most compact form will perform better.
Dang I would totally put this advise to use but those SSD be running a real hot price, imma have to wait like three years later to cop the WD Black or something similar for good quality😐 😆
@@legendarykielbasapower525 is the one you got have all the requirements to use it in the PS5, I haven't done much research but I've only seen a few that seem trustworthy
I left the cover off with a low profile heatsink over my Crucial P5 Plus 2TB. Still working fine with high speeds and no throttling. If Sony's cooling engineers were so good the PS4 would not have cooked internals. I think the PS5 is a better design but for negative pressure to work effectively you need consistent higher RPMs with that single fan vacuuming the cool air through the system and exhausting it quickly. Air vents are right next to SSD expansion bay pulling air over the heatsink which will cool it. Putting the cover back on I would think would restrict the airflow even more. Those small holes in the expansion bay will not cut it. I call BS. I have used many NVME SSDs in my own PCs and building for others. A small low profile heatsink and fans pushing/pulling air over the heatsink is light years better. HWMonitor and HWiNFO64 verified.
Ya, I've been PC gaming and modding for 20 years. Everyone finds their niche when it comes to PC's and mine has always been cooling products and modifications. Negative pressure is fine as long as there is somewhere for the fresh air to be supplied from....which the cover restricts. He points out that there are holes for cooling the NVMe with this "negative pressure", but continues to say they are "inside the expansion bay" meaning it's under negative pressure, with no inlet for a fresh air supply with the cover installed. Cracks around the cover absolutely do not count as a fresh air inlet. Another thing, he's parroting what Sony engineers tried to come up with as dissuasion for people going out and buying Dbrand Darkplates with this "negative pressure" myth, and he's confusing this as a technique for cooling the NVMe. I've watched quite a few videos of testing the PS5 with different cooling methods. Without the NVMe cover, it can run up to 15°-18° cooler. There is still the issue of dust though. I cut out most of the center of my NVMe cover, and glued aluminum PC dust filter material to it. I did other modifications as well. I just created a slideshow on my channel of the mods.
hi there,i recently purchased a corsair mp600 pro 1tb and the huge heatsink won t allow the metal cover to fit,will there be a problem if i install it without the metal cover?
The best way to look at it is if you imagine your SSD inside a tube where the air is going from one end to another, cooling the SSD. But if you cut a large hole on the tube around the SSD location you end up having way less efficient cooling since the air won't contact the SSD all around. And as stated in the video, leaving the cover off will also accumulate even more dust inside your system.
1. Airflow isnt worse when not putitng the cover back on. 2. You can clean the Dust every now and then. Yall doing like there is 0 airflow when not applying the cover back on. Its like saying an open pc testbench is worse then one which is closed.
@@ElonMusk-Krypto Its not stupid, you suggesting you know better than japanese engineers is stupid. You have to clean it every week with the cover off. Who opens it up every week to clean up dust in their PS5? Thats why is stupid. I dont even clean my room every week, imagine opening PS5 and cleaning it every week lol
@@samjam6989 i didnt say I know it better than Japanese engineers, you just put words in my mouth too make you look better. And no you dont need too open it every week.
Dude, I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this but your providing a public service with these videos. Informative and to the point, thanks a bunch. I'm thinking of upgrading the storage by firstly going down the external SSD road first and seeing how things go when the internal comes out of BETA
in the ps5 beta, i knew without being told i have to recover this bay, it makes sense. but sir you can use the m.2 without the bay cover, yes your exposing it to dust etc....but if your m.2 comes with a oversized heatsink it will not hamper your usage. in the instructions sony sends, there's nothing saying you must cover the bay back after install even in the faq section. i would say do it at your own risk.
I am gonna do this when Sony releases an official SSD. I don't really need more storage for now as all my games are PS4 and I have them on my 4TB External Harddrive. Only problem with that is that PS5 games can't be stored and played on there, only stored.
It's worth noting that Tom's Hardware did temperature tests with heatsink and cover off, heatsink and cover on, NO heatsink and cover off, and finally NO heatsink and cover ON. Performance was BEST with a heatsink installed and the cover OFF. The cover ON with a heatsink installed was 2nd, but in some cases it was almost the same as NO heatsink installed with the cover OFF. If you don't have a drive with a heatsink, putting the cover ON will actually result in a much higher temperature. The worst out of the 4. So while they may say it's cooled through negative pressure, the real world results don't seem to back this up.
I gotta WD Black SN850 1Tb w/ Heatsink. I installed Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order on it to test it out. I’ve never, ever had that game load almost instantaneously. I hated playing it on PS4 because it took over 2 minutes to load. The results speak for themselves. I am thoroughly impressed.
Awesome, dude. Thanks for making these quick tips for PS5. I’ve had my console for less than 2 weeks and it’s the first one I’ve bought since the PS3 was new. I really need your experience and wisdom greatly. Love that you come to the point and don’t waste my time too. Excellent. Keep ‘em coming. Cheers. 🍻
Might explain why the oversized heat sinks that prevent the plate from being reinstalled seem to do little extra for cooling than a standard sized heat sink?
Since getting my PS5 for Xmas last year your videos have been a huge help in making sure I take the best care as well as making the most out of my console. Thank you bro !
Thank you for the video! There's an aftermarket m.2 cover on Amazon. GRAUGEAR Metal Heat Dissipation Cover. It has holes with mesh for dust. It looks promising. Thoughts?
I think nascompares found that using the Sabrent massive heatsink with the copper heat pipes without the metal cover was only a couple degrees cooler compared to using a cheap slim aluminum heatsink with the metal cover on. So it appears to be doing some extra sort of cooling with the cover on.
Very smart, i never thought about that cause i was thinking about getting a heat sink that was lil bigger than the size recommended but nah not going through with that anymore lol
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I'm learning so much about the PS5, when I finally get my hands on one I shall apply all my knowledge like unspent ability points
@@abd-elhalimomar4287 it’s perfectly fine to get one now. There’ll always be better models in the future at the point one comes in the market.
@@abd-elhalimomar4287 when is the next model expected?
@@rafdor5131 there won’t be a PS5 Slim or anything like that for AT LEAST 2 more years.
@@Bendaak I thought so. I don’t know why this guy thinks that there will be one.
@@rafdor5131 he is talking nonsense. Sony can’t even build enough PS5s to satisfy current demand due to the chip shortages so they won’t be redesigning the machine anytime soon.
I would have reinstalled the cover anyway because I am ocd about things being the way it is is intended, but I like how you inform people about things, just in case.
same here😅
Same here. That SHOULD be common sense when you take something apart it should all go back together...unless you have a couple extra screws then you toss them in the spare bin :P
@@t0mmyb0y1983yeah, if it's there it should go back. Why on earth would one not reinstall the cover, it's officially a part of the console. Atleast you and I know to reinstall the cover and everyone else who watched this video.
I'm the exact same bro lol
Yup… me 2.
Out of all the PS5 SSD expansion videos I have watched you have been the only one to give the actual technical explanation of why the cover needs to go back on...and this is why I subscribe to you!
Same here. Nice to finally hear the reason why
@Matthew Harrup But it is meant to have cover replaced, you can take the air filter out of a car and it will work fine too, but eventually you will start to run into problems.
@Matthew Harrup he said it may casue future problems so it might be fine .... for now
@Matthew Harrup if y don't use a heatsink it's going to over heat up faster then one with a heat sink which will impact your read and write speeds heavily. ssds work great at the right temp. If u go too high it starts go just not work as efficiently and then the read and writes take a massive hit and decline but eh you do you. Its only like 10 dollars or pounds for a heat sink. Some ppl will always do things against the recommendations but eh whatever.
Exactly!
except there was a study that tested whether installing the cover and with or without a heatsink was necessary, and they found that using a heatsink and not putting the cover back on lead to the lowest temperatures on the ssd.
Finally someone that opened the case correctly and slid it off. I saw one guy just rip the panel off, which is not the correct way to remove it.
I see u watched Linus ;)
For those wondering, Sabrent Heatsink does fit inside of the digital version PS5 but won't allow the PS5 shell to go back on. If you want this to work out you'll need to own the disc version. I have the Sabrent SSD and heatsink but sadly can't put my PS5 shell back on because I own the digital version, and yes I was ok with not using the SSD cover since I own a dust blower that I use to clean out my PC. Luckily I do own 2 extra slimmer heatsinks I bought way before So I'm good unless I end up with a disc version in the future.
I own the PS5 disk edition with the Sabrent Heatsink and I'm not able to put the shell back on.
I have PS5 disc version and have installed Sabrent Rocket Plus with Sabrent heatsink. This is designed to be used without reinstalling the cover this video is talking about. Maybe this video was created before the design and release of the Sabrent?
Get a third party heatsink. It works.
I used a Sabrent heatsink on my PS5 slim.....fits perfectly, cover fits back on, no problem.
Our PS5 is being delivered tomorrow, I have learned a lot from your videos, thank you for posting them!
My knowledge of electronics engineering is limited to say the least! So this is a really good succinct explanation of why you need put the cover back. Cheers fella. 👍🏼
You're welcome 👍🏻
@@JohnGlasscock hey can u fix my ps5
@Pogchamp69 its all good
Everything is anecdotal until he proves otherwise. All of my testing proves otherwise and I've been working in technology for over 30 years and reference design for 7.
Toms Hardware is a better source.
I finally got my PS5 through Sony last month and I am planning on adding more storage. This video has helped me immensely. Thank you
I went for the 2T option... Works great. Thanks again
This is precisely what’s been on my mind regarding the SSD expansion bay.
Glad it was helpful
@@JohnGlasscock There’s a lot of misinformation out there kinda like Covid-19. 😂
@@princegroove 🍿
Negative pressure works, but temperature is still 5 - 8 degrees higher than cover off. For lower SSD temps, cover off still measures lower temperatures. If dust affected SSD performance Apple would have put some sort of dust protection on their MacBooks and iMacs but they don't, like 99% of PC's. A PS5 is a medium spec PC, with a fancy controller.
Very clear and concise, John! Greatly appreciate it!
You're welcome
@@umkane3851 someone can’t get a hold of the PS5
@@stephendawes4589 I know, but I’m not too mad only like 10 kids have one in my school of 850
@@rynelandenmoore4245 I have one but it doesn’t mean I’m elite compared to PS4 users. I just got lucky.
Except Toms Hardware article on this subject points out why this video shouldn't be taken too seriously.
I personally left mine off to better expose the heatsink for overall airflow over the whole surface. sealing it wouldn't stop the ssd from heating up, but airflow over the actual heatsink would dissipate it more effectively. If those hole with a cover on was the most efficient way of removing heat, then PC manufacturers would have utilized a low form factor venting solution out the back of every PC case years ago.
Yea theres channels disproving this now, getting lower temps on the drive without the cover.
I finally secured a ps5 yesterday and I’m so excited to binge watch all these vids now 😂
Cograts bro i hope you stopped that annoying voice
Same
congrats bro and welcome to the family
Congrats bro welcome to the club 😂
Welcome to the gang young blood
With the Graugear-heatsink you can remove the cover...
Gamers Nexus did testing and have the side covers off decreased internal temperatures of the PS5. So while it might help against dust, it certainly causes more heat concerns. If you clean it often enough, it should be fine without the side panels.
Interestingly enough my PS4 Pro actually gets less dust accumulation without the top panel on.
It's been designed like this for a reason. People thinking they know best is the reason why problems occur. Not the design , changing the design.
Ofcourse, this guy making this shit video's has no clue what he's talking about lol
@@dankitson2011 designed like that for what reason?
@@juhyun34 Ask Sony 😉
I love how you go straight to the point
That VP also said in the beginning that no additional cooling structure would be needed for M.2 SSDs in the PS5. So they must have underestimated the heat they will produce or the negative pressure cooling doesn't work as they hoped. I wouldn't be surprised if a thermal test showed it's better to leave the metal plate off. But dust is still an issue.
Another youtuber tested this with it removed it was on average 2 degrees Celsius lower than with it fitted but both well below the max temp by like 20 degrees so fitting it isn't gonna give any benefits except dust control but not fitting it will result in more dust so although it will be 2 degrees lower at first the more dust that accumulates in that bay and all over the drive will result in a lot higher temps, so it be best to fit it. Unless you wanna continuously remove the stand side plate cover and ssd and clean it every week
@@jjadey1752 yes I've seen that video also and the only thing about it is that the test they did with the plate off they used a much bigger heatsink. I think if they had used the same compact heatsink during the test it would've shown the difference in cooling is even less.
@@sgtsqueaky yes I agree, also if you think about it with the hatch off all the excess heat can escape so that large heatsink in my mind isn't actually cooling it any more than the compact syncs. A difference of only 2 tells me its probably the hatch being off that is making the difference there, therea another company releasing an nvme drive for ps which is supposed to be the fastest ever it releases in October but I cant remember what brand it is. I cant wait to see the tests for that. Apparently it uses a thin neoprene heat sync which is interesting. At least I think they said neoprene
@@jjadey1752 I haven't heard about that NVME yet. That does sound interesting. I'm a sucker for innovative cooling solutions. It fascinates me.
@@sgtsqueaky haha same I'll see if I can find it
Another channel did heat tests and the ssd ran wayyy cooler with out the cover on.
It's cooler without the plate. It's been tested.
Given how i continue to about the low storage the ps5 has that's why the ssd drive is the first thing I'm going to buy when my ps5 arrives.
Surely, if Sony recommended leaving the cover off, they would say so themselves and not leave it to the owners discretion? Sound advice bud👍
There are still people asking if it's OK to not use a heatsink on their NVME drive even though the official guidance says to use one. Some people will do anything they can to be that one person the rules don't apply to, just so they can tell everyone about it. Weirdos.
Because sony is so good at customer service and assistance......hollow laugh....
@@cl844 yea so maybe we should stop supporting Sony? ....Hollow laugh....
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This is SUCH A GREAT CHANNEL.....this guy is the only person I watch for ps5 news
Same! Subscribed and liked
I haven't bought an ssd expansion for my ps5 yet but I will. This is a great tip. Good looking out!
I'm leaving mine off for the ssd and here is why. I'm using the sabrent heatsink that replaces the cover.
I'm by no means a professional when it comes to these things, but it feels like common sense to put it back together as it was 😅
Very good, short and informative video👍
Most people lack common sense these days. Why you think eating tide pods was a thing?
Just got my 2Tab 970 Evo SSD today and I have to say your Video was precise,short and gets straight to the point. Thanks again John.
Just a heads up, the read and write speeds on that card are wayyyyyy below Sonys recommendation
@@victorl8804 works fine though had no issues thus far.
@@victorl8804 seeing that the standard SATA SSD is capped way below the 970 EVO NVME 4X speeds I do not see the problem. SATA 561 MB/s read 561 write or in that general area, NVME 3000 MB/s plus read and 1500 MB/s plus write.
Thanks for these tips…can’t wait to get my Ps5, 3 years from now…
I just got mine finally lol
@Kb LaFlame probably apex and ratchet and clank and that demon slayer game when it comes out
@Kb LaFlame ah I got a switch around the year it came out but the new oled one looks nice
I would have put it back because my line of thinking would be "it's there for a reason isn't it?"
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What small bits are you talking about.
Are you refering to the screw holes for diferent size drives?
And even if air was being sucked out, it would be more efficient if air could get in from the other side, otherwise it creates a vacuum.
The only reason I believe to put the cover on is for dust protection
Lol you clearly don’t understand the video or hardware. It is not for dust protection only. It’s mainly for cooling.
@@OfficialSamuelC lol you know nothing about PC hardware… if you had basic knowledge, you would know what the required operating temperature for NVMe drive is and why buying one with a heat sink is overkill.
Also you might want to look up EMI and RF Shielding, it’s been part of basic console/pc construction since the 80s…
@@OfficialSamuelC lmao, I fully understood what the guy was trying to say. I just completely disagree. (maybe you dont understand the word vacuum, and assumed im refering to a vacuum cleaner in regards to dust)
Airflow works better if there is an inlet and an outlet.
Firstly, those screw holes arent extraction vents, and if they were, they would work better with the lid off.
I only agree with his second point about dust and fluff build up. But its not hard to give a clean out every now and then.
@@SteveDavies80 Those are screw holes, not vents. If the M.2 was left without a cover, it would be sufficiently cooled and probably better off without being covered. He literally just explained in the video… the entire air intake would pass over the heat sink as it entered the PS5… I’m betting if someone did testing with temperature probes, the SSD would be much cooler with that silly cover off.
@@pennywisethedancingclown7139 I known they are screw holes. That is what I said. The guy in the video called them vents and he says it is neccessary to reinstall the cover for propper ventilation.
As far as Im concerned, leaving the cover off will be better for cooling, but putting the cover on protects from dust.
Keeping the cover off provides lower temperatures. If it gets dusty, just clean it.
I love your videos! They are short, very informative, precise, and to the point. Thank you!
I appreciate it 😊
Strangely enough there was a whole article about this comparing Temps. With ssd cover on with out heatsink, with heatsink, cover off, etc. The Temps were better with the cover off, with a heatsink. Look up Toms hardware.
If the cover wasn't required to be reinstalled then the maximum height of the heatsinks wouldn't be such a big issue.
Heck, if the cover wasn't required to be reinstalled, I doubt Sony would have included it in the first place. Companies don't just add parts to their designs for the fun of it. If they could save money by not including something and the product still would function properly, they would do it. I'm surprised anyone thought that Sony mustn't have known what they were doing from a temperature control perspective with regards to the cover, and that it should be removed and not reinstalled.
You always stick a thin piece of aluminum to the top of that cover
or even use aluminum tape to help transfer heat to the larger metal cover.
Anything helps. I used to work in electronic manufacturing...Sometimes
i had to make mods such as getting people in house to cut aluminum
bars becuase prefab heatsink didnt cool it enough or fit/size didnt fit
and would simply cost lots of money to get special heatsink made..or
have the PCB re design..Then that might not fit into the enclousre..ect
I solved it without increase production cost
.There's rev changes made during production for many reasons.
I’m biased on this whole argument! those aren’t air vents… those are screw holes lol. The PS5 air intake would pass over the entire M.2 heatsink with that silly cover off. I bet if someone did testing with a temperature probe, the SSD would run just as cool or cooler with that cover off! Just like they say to keep the side plates on the PS5. But the entire system runs cooler if you pull all the plates off. Sometimes it’s not best to always listen to the recommendation setups.
Ya. Been running it without with no temperature variance. Used temperature probs and laser Temps to verify stable play for nearly 70 plus hours without issue. Monitored every hour.
You're a muppet. People like you make me physically ill.
The only thing I'm worried about with the SSD expansion is if the heatsink is too large to fit in the bay when it's closed.
Which is why they give you the dimensions needed. You need to get stuff that fits their specs.
First world problem
I made a custom m.2 cover to fit the huge heatsink on it. But if you have a huge heatsink this is not a issue as it passively cooling the m.2 anyway. the only thing is if you don't have a heatsink on the m.2 drive DO NOT LEAVE the cover off. ive done tests and ive found massive m.2 heatsink passively cools the m.2 better (by about 10-13deg cel) than with a tiny heat sink and the m.2 cover on. im gonna post the results soon. so in conclusion unless you got a large heatsink on the m.2 drive then replace the cover. but if you have a massive heat sink you don't need to worry as the passive cooling of the large heatsink is enough. wish I could post my pics
Yea I agree buddy.My Sabrent heat sink is HUGE.And it takes the entire space of the cover that comes with Ps5!Its so thick& I can tell its working well btw.Good comment @Mustached gamer🤜🤛✌Its a really tight fit too I see on PS5....
Always appreciate your videos man regardless if I know the information or not you make real simple and clear for all users 👍🏼
During the official tear down, the metal parts inside that housing is part of a giant metal piece which is cooled by the PS5 fan. So yeah, put the SSD cover ON to let the fan do its job.
I put a bigger heatsink that wont let me close the bay but the ssd is running cooler than with the smaller heatsink and the bay close so
@@yonkocommander5531 You'll probably be fine, the problem is we'll never really know long term unless someone does thermal tests now and long term.
I just know Sony designed it purposely that way for a reason, whether it's dust prevention or thermal reasons.
Good tip for when this update actually comes out proper.
Im looking for the same information. If you found the answer, pls let us know
Like in 10 years mind as well sign up for beta
this is like the 3rd video i've seen on your channel that explains this very thing within the last few days and i feel like im going to keep clicking on them whenever i see a different one pop up.
Cheers for the info. Not gonna use the info though but good to know. I'm a bit old school so just gonna keep using my external SSD instead. I don't run that many games as daily drivers so I have enough internal space for those, then just use an external SSD to hold all my old PS4 titles and as a temp storage for PS5 games I play but not running as daily drivers.
Keep up the great coverage 👊🏿💯
No problem & thanks for sharing!
Right in the moment I decided to remove the plate tomorrow this video popped into my recommendations. You saved me.
Hey, there! Watched a lot of other videos testing that feature and many discount the actual need to replace that cover. I installed the Sabrent Heat Sink, which is quite large, and due to it's technical features am comfortable not putting that plate on.
I'm not going to use only the PS5 cooling for the heatsink because they need direct cooling. You can 3D print a cover with holes and a filter so that you don't have to worry about the hole and dust. You can power fans externally or from the slot if they followed the standards.
Thanks for the informative tips!
I understand if you have a house that gets real dusty but the ssd slot has maybe 2 places in the ssd slot that could be considered to barely vent. So other than the dust( if you have a dusty house or office) theirs no real benefit to the cover in my opinion. I'll take my chances with the heatsink I installed. the heatsink I'm using is barely to big for my ssd door to go back on. I've been using it this way tho since the betas release with the 980pro. I've checked a couple times for ventilation and dust and it really doesn't seem like an issue so far. The only video I've found other than this one showed that the little bit bigger heatsink was about 2 to 5 degrees cooler than a ssd with the low profile ssd w/the door on. Idk....what do yall think🤔. Hope this helps others who ordered a bigger heatsink by accident! GREAT video tho bro!!!
I agree with you. It's a beta so, of course, they are going to say it's not supported to do otherwise. Everything in a PC is open - I see no concern.
@@PhoenixWebTV that was actually my first thought. The likelihood of not using the door messing with your airflow doesn't seem likely. It's a beta for a reason. We will see what they say when the official version comes out!
But until then I have no choice but to use it without the door.
@@Blakegrimis1990 yeah. I’m happy to give it a go. I’m not worried.
There should be some testing performed by preferably Gamers Nexus. My personal experience is that a beefier heatsink without the cover performs better than having the cover on. The tiny holes on the sides of the cover aren't optimal in cas your heatsink ribbons are oriented parallel with the M.2 SSD.
The size of the heatsink matters not if the airflow isn't directed over it!
Someone needs to make a custom cover for bigger heatsinks... I got the Rocket NVME heatsink and that's huge but it does the Best job at keeping the NVME cool.
Yes and in this case, the cover being left off will make no difference.
Is there a way of checking the nvme temps on a ps5?
@@arifmunshi6833 Not really. If you look at the whole unit with the cover on, there are 2 tiny cut out channels in the plastic that allow air to be drawn out of the NVMe bay by the main console fan. By leaving the cover off, the air can be drawn without being confined to those small channels. The result will be far better heat dissipation.
Thanks for the heads up, I'll put this to use when Sony open up the extended storage software update to Australia
No problem 😊
@@JohnGlasscock when’s the best monitor for ps5 coming out
@@jadissandoval5361 when I decide to get one
Actually there is a heat sink cover you can buy that actually a cover and heat sink all in one
I’ve purposely been waiting to get a PS5 since you couldn’t upgrade the storage from the get-go and for the system to work out its kinks. I didn’t want to run into any red ring of death type issues with the first GEN PS5.
Lol youl be waiting a while
@@2k7podge2k7 I plan on getting one around November next year. I’m in no rush.
I would say very wise but each to their own. Me, we'll I've had my digital since launch day. Life changing and anyone who hasn't got one and wants one. Is missing out bigtime.
@@XGen_0214 not really. I've been playing old titles on it. Not much choice. I already played ac, spider man, and DS. DS was awesome. Nothing else really worth it
@@XGen_0214 To each their own, agreed. For me being a old-head gamer I’m very patient. I play a lot of older titles as I still have every system and game I ever had from Atari to PS4.
Just got my baby last weekend so I'm watching every video and applying everything I've learned ty
Very good video and I have watched a number of your videos in the past. What you say is correct most of the time. I struggled knowing what heatsink to use with the NVME that would allow me to put the cover back on. After a bit of digging I found that if you buy the Sabrent M.2 NVMe PS5 heatsink (SB-PSHS) this replaces the cover you refer to. I purchased the heatsink with with the Sabrent 1TB NVME drive and it is an excellent kit. If you are interested you can see my video on it on my UA-cam channel. If you use a different heatsink then what you say is totally true and you need to use the PlayStation 5 original cover.
Link to video please?
@@jalilazzad ua-cam.com/video/-oQ7jvV8QWw/v-deo.html
Thank you, finally someone clearing this up properly!
Do you have a link for the low profile heat sink you used in the video before this one?
EK Water Blocks EK-M.2 NVMe
I keep loving my ps5 more and more after watching your videos
Shut up
@@4Frmcfofficial "omg i told him shut up cuz i have no father" 🤓
Could someone tell me which heatsink John used for the ssd? Or maybe John himself could tell me as well.
This is the one!
EK Water Blocks EK-M.2 NVMe
Thanks
@@fabio_fco
Much appreciated
@@fabio_fco I have this heat sink, and it's such a PITA to fit.
@@Mopantsu I have a different one for my PS5!
I bought an even bigger heatsink that's too tall to close the ssd bay but the ssd is running cooler because of the extra size so i'm good
I have been using an external SSD but maybe I should give this a go. It looks very simple and explained well. Thanks
If you've got money to burn then go for it
I have extension hard drive WB for my 4 games but I have a firecuda internal for my 5 games....
With all the hype the ps5 got and is still getting it blows my mind ppl have ways to make the best even better...
Just got my ps5 a few days ago and I've been learning so much about this system.
Tjis is why Sony has SPECIFICATIONS as to the SIZE of the SSD.
Specifications. With my rtx 3090 it’s trespassing these ps5specs twice haha
I've heard so many people say it doesn't matter whether you put the cover back on or not, or leaving the cover off actually improves cooling. Personally I think I'll listen to the people who actually designed and built the console. lol
Oh sure it may be fine for a while but i could see issues popping up much sooner for those who did not put the cover plate back on.
This is great information. Now I just gotta find a PS5. Thanx
Best of luck on your search 😊
This is what i learned from years of tinkering with pc and laptop cooling. Not every covers are bad and not every openings are good. The most important things are airflow and air pressure. With good airflow and air pressure, even the most compact form will perform better.
Dang I would totally put this advise to use but those SSD be running a real hot price, imma have to wait like three years later to cop the WD Black or something similar for good quality😐 😆
Yeah why do you think xbox series addon storage are super expensive and the ps5 comes with just 800gb..
check newegg for sales i just got a 1tb Samsung nvme for 95$
@@legendarykielbasapower525 yeah that’s the cheapest price you can get it rn.
@@legendarykielbasapower525 is the one you got have all the requirements to use it in the PS5, I haven't done much research but I've only seen a few that seem trustworthy
@@ClosestNearUtopia Seriously, I already had to spend almost $600 to the console it would be nice if upgrades (and games) weren't breaking us too lol
I didn't even think people wouldn't install the plate back on-
I’ll be sure to keep this in mind when I install my SSD with than a third of the recommended bandwidth that doesn’t have a heatsink x
I left the cover off with a low profile heatsink over my Crucial P5 Plus 2TB. Still working fine with high speeds and no throttling. If Sony's cooling engineers were so good the PS4 would not have cooked internals. I think the PS5 is a better design but for negative pressure to work effectively you need consistent higher RPMs with that single fan vacuuming the cool air through the system and exhausting it quickly. Air vents are right next to SSD expansion bay pulling air over the heatsink which will cool it. Putting the cover back on I would think would restrict the airflow even more. Those small holes in the expansion bay will not cut it. I call BS. I have used many NVME SSDs in my own PCs and building for others. A small low profile heatsink and fans pushing/pulling air over the heatsink is light years better. HWMonitor and HWiNFO64 verified.
Ya, I've been PC gaming and modding for 20 years. Everyone finds their niche when it comes to PC's and mine has always been cooling products and modifications. Negative pressure is fine as long as there is somewhere for the fresh air to be supplied from....which the cover restricts. He points out that there are holes for cooling the NVMe with this "negative pressure", but continues to say they are "inside the expansion bay" meaning it's under negative pressure, with no inlet for a fresh air supply with the cover installed. Cracks around the cover absolutely do not count as a fresh air inlet. Another thing, he's parroting what Sony engineers tried to come up with as dissuasion for people going out and buying Dbrand Darkplates with this "negative pressure" myth, and he's confusing this as a technique for cooling the NVMe. I've watched quite a few videos of testing the PS5 with different cooling methods. Without the NVMe cover, it can run up to 15°-18° cooler. There is still the issue of dust though. I cut out most of the center of my NVMe cover, and glued aluminum PC dust filter material to it. I did other modifications as well. I just created a slideshow on my channel of the mods.
hi there,i recently purchased a corsair mp600 pro 1tb and the huge heatsink won t allow the metal cover to fit,will there be a problem if i install it without the metal cover?
@patrikbun9514 As long as you have a heatsink on the mp600 and you can still put the side panel back on correctly you should not need the metal cover.
I'm glad I'm smarter than some people apparently. Like why would anyone think it would hinder cooling
Maybe bc there's a piece of plastic blocking the SSD?
@@noah1500 well clearly that's not how it works
@@noah1500 Learn how negative pressure works... It's also metal and there are two vents.
@@aiellamori I know
@@Dreadpirateflappy that's what I'm doing 😂
Could you share a link or two to what SSD you are using or recommend?
The best way to look at it is if you imagine your SSD inside a tube where the air is going from one end to another, cooling the SSD. But if you cut a large hole on the tube around the SSD location you end up having way less efficient cooling since the air won't contact the SSD all around. And as stated in the video, leaving the cover off will also accumulate even more dust inside your system.
1. Airflow isnt worse when not putitng the cover back on.
2. You can clean the Dust every now and then.
Yall doing like there is 0 airflow when not applying the cover back on. Its like saying an open pc testbench is worse then one which is closed.
@@ElonMusk-Krypto But maybe people dont want to open up their PS5 just to clean off the dust. That is stupid.
@@samjam6989 well then just don't clean it up. Bruh your comment is stupid 😂
@@ElonMusk-Krypto Its not stupid, you suggesting you know better than japanese engineers is stupid. You have to clean it every week with the cover off. Who opens it up every week to clean up dust in their PS5? Thats why is stupid. I dont even clean my room every week, imagine opening PS5 and cleaning it every week lol
@@samjam6989 i didnt say I know it better than Japanese engineers, you just put words in my mouth too make you look better. And no you dont need too open it every week.
Most are leaving off the plate because the heatsink is too tall. Point is, buy a heatsink that allows you to reinstall the shield. Great video.
Dude, I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this but your providing a public service with these videos. Informative and to the point, thanks a bunch. I'm thinking of upgrading the storage by firstly going down the external SSD road first and seeing how things go when the internal comes out of BETA
Thanks for sharing & I appreciate you 😊
Been watching your videos since before having a PS5. I’ve been putting all these tips to good use since I finally got one.
in the ps5 beta, i knew without being told i have to recover this bay, it makes sense. but sir you can use the m.2 without the bay cover, yes your exposing it to dust etc....but if your m.2 comes with a oversized heatsink it will not hamper your usage. in the instructions sony sends, there's nothing saying you must cover the bay back after install even in the faq section. i would say do it at your own risk.
I am gonna do this when Sony releases an official SSD. I don't really need more storage for now as all my games are PS4 and I have them on my 4TB External Harddrive. Only problem with that is that PS5 games can't be stored and played on there, only stored.
It's worth noting that Tom's Hardware did temperature tests with heatsink and cover off, heatsink and cover on, NO heatsink and cover off, and finally NO heatsink and cover ON. Performance was BEST with a heatsink installed and the cover OFF. The cover ON with a heatsink installed was 2nd, but in some cases it was almost the same as NO heatsink installed with the cover OFF. If you don't have a drive with a heatsink, putting the cover ON will actually result in a much higher temperature. The worst out of the 4.
So while they may say it's cooled through negative pressure, the real world results don't seem to back this up.
I gotta WD Black SN850 1Tb w/ Heatsink. I installed Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order on it to test it out. I’ve never, ever had that game load almost instantaneously. I hated playing it on PS4 because it took over 2 minutes to load. The results speak for themselves. I am thoroughly impressed.
Bro, The "I Dont Got A PS5 Joke" Is Getting Old.
I’d tell you a joke about the ps5 but you probably won’t get it
@@killshot3331 w
GLASSCOCK
It's not a joke tho...
Awesome, dude. Thanks for making these quick tips for PS5. I’ve had my console for less than 2 weeks and it’s the first one I’ve bought since the PS3 was new. I really need your experience and wisdom greatly. Love that you come to the point and don’t waste my time too. Excellent. Keep ‘em coming. Cheers. 🍻
At the very least, the cover further helps mitigate heat affecting the ssd, so I don't know why anyone wouldn't keep it on.
Might explain why the oversized heat sinks that prevent the plate from being reinstalled seem to do little extra for cooling than a standard sized heat sink?
Certainly, heatsinks can't do much if there is no airflow
Can you make a video featuring some SSD's or other hardrive options that you would recommend for PS5 users please
Since getting my PS5 for Xmas last year your videos have been a huge help in making sure I take the best care as well as making the most out of my console. Thank you bro !
Great video, just need to wait until everyone can get a PS5 🤣🤣
Me 2
Thanks for your tips, great videos, informative and not too long.
Once we actually get some games for the PS5 I plan to upgrade the m.2 and just slap a fan on it.
Thank you for the video! There's an aftermarket m.2 cover on Amazon. GRAUGEAR Metal Heat Dissipation Cover. It has holes with mesh for dust. It looks promising. Thoughts?
Thanks for the info. As soon as I am able to get my hands on a PS5 without having to mortgage my house to pay for it, I'll remember this advice. :)
Update: I was able to get a PS5 from EBay without breaking the bank. It is THE best video game system I have ever owned so far.
Appreciate you taking the time to post this informative heads up bud 👍
I think nascompares found that using the Sabrent massive heatsink with the copper heat pipes without the metal cover was only a couple degrees cooler compared to using a cheap slim aluminum heatsink with the metal cover on. So it appears to be doing some extra sort of cooling with the cover on.
Much thanks, bruh! Studying A+...nifty project to do for PS5!
I wait until the M2 SSDs get cheaper, the memory of the Ps5 is enough for me until now!
yeah I still have 100gb and a usb ssd from my ps4 and Im having no problems yet
I honestly can't wait to get a PS5. But even when stock goes back up. I'll be waiting a while.
@WITE FOX it's a paradox I know. lol
Very smart, i never thought about that cause i was thinking about getting a heat sink that was lil bigger than the size recommended but nah not going through with that anymore lol
I hate the expansion bay cover I thought it would be better to have it off, but luckily for me I've got a custom heatsink just for the PS5.