We took our ICE on a 1000 mile (one way) road trip. I timed my refueling/bio break/snack stops. The shortest was 15 minutes, longest was 20. So an EV charge stop of 20 minutes or so is no worse than using an ICE car. A three hour drive time in the Kia is longer than my body can stand....I have to stop sooner than that. So, in my mind, there's no difference in time if I drive an EV or ICE on a long road trip. I mention this for the naysayers who say that they won't do a road trip in an EV due to longer travel times.
Amateur hour. If you applaud 0-60 videos of Teslas roasting Ferraris then I want you to applaud a 200K mile VW beating an EV by a larger percentage in a 1000 mile race. Seriously? 3 hours is more than you can handle? I doubt your ability to safely drive 1 hour if that's true
I think this is what people don't understand, you're still stopping to refuel, but to their credit, not everyone takes as longer, many people rush to fuel and leave. I'm somewhat like you, I need to break every 2-3 hours and for me the EVs would be perfect. Unfortunately, the infrastructure in South Texas (where I live) isn't here to travel comfortably with an EV.
Thanks! Yeah, I'm not sure why people are so focused on the AWD. When they told me it would be a RWD for review, I was stoked. I might still try to get an AWD GT for review, just to give a good comparison, but I probably won't do another 1,000 km run with that one. I kind of want to test out the Light even more (it's the most affordable after all).
@@newscoulomb3705I have a Light and I love it. I’ve road tripped it a ton since getting it in April 2022. 20k miles on the odometer right now. It’s a 600 volt pack fully charged and 500 v when low (rough numbers). So the only downside is hitting up the older 62.5 ChargePoint stuff because it’ll only touch 40-45 kW which climbs as the pack voltage goes up. On 150 EA or 350 kW EA/EVgo hardware I’ve seen a max of 179 kW with 160-170 kW super typical. 54 kWh usable pack size is what I use for road trip calculations and that seems to be right on this year (assuming 100% State of Health). Now downsides of the Light are that first Kia killed it for 2023. Sad but I guess maybe lower profit margin or harder to move? And big downside if you road trip in the cold is all 2022 EV6 still have no preconditioning. The dumb thing is the car definitely puts 5-6 kW of battery heating into the pack while cold (below 20 C pack temperature) so if only we could have that toggle switch to flip that on while on the way to wherever. I wish cars would just show battery pack temps and let the driver turn the battery heater on whenever. Even just driving around I may not give a darn about efficiency but I don’t want to hurt my cold battery while romping on the “go pedal”. Speaking of efficiency the light has recorded a lifetime 3.7 mi/kWh total across all trips with a big majority of that being interstate travel with some trips averaging over 75 mph on relatively deserted highways in our great land. I don’t hit up too many super busy travel corridors unlike folks who start in the mega cities so I would say that the Light is a great car if you can go without some of the goodies on the higher spec cars. I have a review by the way: www.myevreview.com/review/kia/ev6/ev6-light-58-kwh-rwd
Awesome job! I just recently did a trip from the Bay Area down to San Diego and back in my EV6 Light RWD (standard range battery) and was extremely impressed. I saw peaks of over 170 kW, despite every charging session being in over 100°F weather. I wasn’t in a rush, so I actually wanted to focus on efficiency for the run, and the car didn’t disappoint. I stayed at around 62-65 mph on I-5 (weekday so there was barely any traffic), and averaged 4.3 mi/kWh on the entire trip. The complimentary 1,000 kWh of EA charging is another huge bonus. I’m a little bit concerned about the long-term effects of charging these cars this incredibly fast, and I plan to keep the car past the warranty period, so I tried to stick to 150 kW chargers (though the car still pulled 170 kW at times). I also kept the car between 20-70% SoC the entire time. I think in most cases, the car actually charges too fast for the average person that wants to get something to eat or have a break. In any case, great to see what the long-range EV6 can do when attempting to get the fastest times. Good job explaining it was a real-world test, so there will always be variables that affect the time.
Thanks! Great info! This is maybe even more true for the Light, but doing a longer trip in an EV6, I would definitely make one stop at a ~50 kW charger. Just take my time, grab a meal, and make two other short stops at faster chargers. That also limits the long-term wear on the battery.
@@newscoulomb3705 For sure! I completely agree. One of the EA chargers down in LA malfunctioned and only charged at ~60 kW, and I didn’t bother moving because I was perfectly happy with that speed. And as you said, charging the smaller battery at a 50 kW charger will be faster than doing the same with the long-range, as the C-rate is higher on the smaller battery. Everyone complains about the Bolt EV’s “slow” charging speeds and whatnot, but honestly, I think that’s the main reason why yours has such little degradation after all the DC fast charging it’s endured. As a side note, I took my EV6 in for a ceramic coating and PPF, and they gave me a 2020 Bolt EV as a loaner car. I was expecting it to still feel nice, but maybe a little outdated. After driving it, I was blown away. Still feels totally modern for tech that came out in 2017, and the range and efficiency blew me away. I also found the “cheap” interior materials to be cost-appropriate, and I didn’t mind them at all.
I appreciate these types of tests. I do something similar on my own channel. I just did a 500mi loop in my Ioniq5 Limited AWD and the efficiency is definitely worse, but not horribly worse considering the terrain on I5 going through central and southern Oregon where I do my tests. I’ll save the details for when the video is released in a couple weeks. These cars are so easy to road trip though. The charging stops are so short that it is almost stressful when trying to maximize travel speed and film a video.
Great video, Eric! I'm glad to see someone finally doing a serious test of the RWD model. That extra range will definitely be helpful in places here in the Western US. Do you have any more videos with the car? I'd love to see a charging test or a more specific highway range test beyond the 1000 km challenge.
We've owned an EV6 since April, and we had the same problem on our one trip so far to Yosemite as you, it charges TOO fast. We didn't have enough time to eat our fast food at Subway before it charged to 100% at a 350 kW station. We decided to choose 150 kW stations instead to have more time to eat.
Yeah, the funny thing is, charging to 80% in the EV6 is only about 3 minutes difference between the 150 kW and 350 kW units. I saw an EV6 owner charging at a 100 kW EVgo unit instead of the 350 kW unit. When I realized they were stopping for lunch, it made a lot of sense.
@@newscoulomb3705 Yes, not much increase in time at 150kW. Since we usually charge from around 10% we gained about 5 minutes of time which was just enough. Eric, let me just clarify, when I said "it charges TOO fast" I was being a little bit facetious. I really like the fact that it charges so fast, I'm just so used to my old Bolt that it's really just a matter of adjusting my habits, just like I had to adjust my habits with the Bolt and it taking about an hour or so to charge 10% to 90%. The Kia EV6 is a much more comfortable car and it drives more smoothly over bumps, has more comfortable seats and is much quieter at highway speeds too than the Bolt EV. So I'm really happy with our Kia EV6 Wind RWD.
@@Jeff-wb3hh Yes, I imagine the most convenient way to travel would be to plan a few stops on 150 kW or slower chargers and just sit down for a nice meal and relax. Then get back on the road again and make a couple other 10 minute bathroom breaks.
I love your testing. Great job with the EV6. I had a Bolt 2021 Premier, which I finally got the ID.4 I ordered back in September 2021. And compared to the Bolt the ID.4 charge curve is great. Not at the EV6 level but it's 2 plus times faster. 173kw peak and 80% we are at 50kw. It's really something to see.
@@anthonyc8499 well any ev with a lot of dc fast charging will have a higher degradation. All evs including Kia recommend keeping dc fast charging to a minimum
I think the total time is less important as you said. The time it needs to charge is really what matters. Traffic and roads and weather conditions are always different. People also like to drive based on their own preference. If you take a 600+ miles road trip, you will definitely take more time resting/eating/stretching legs out than 60 minutes. Which means charging is no longer a factor on road trips. EVs are equivalent to gas cars when it comes to road trips.
I'm hoping to. I reached out to Ford several times with no reply, but I'm going to try again. The Lightning and Mach-E are both high on my list. Not sure how many more 1,000 km runs I'll do. I feel like an actual road trip can be just as valid.
@@anthonyc8499 For better or worse, I think I've already signed myself up for a pre and post battery recall 1000 km run in my 2017 Bolt EV. 😬 The Route 1 would definitely be an interesting one, though.
I suspect that AWD Mach-Es with extended range packs are on par with the EV6 AWD to ~300 miles which includes a single 12-15 minutes stop to charge + bathroom. Beyond 300 miles, the EV6 charges twice as fast so every subsequent charging stop loses the MME 15-20 minutes.
@@anthonyc8499 I suspect you might be right, or at least pretty close with the differences. I think the Route 1 might edge out the RWD Wind on range by about 20 miles, but unfortunately, for this route, it wouldn't gain you much. Sure, you might be able to make it to Harris Ranch instead of Firebaugh (though I think the EV6 could have made it, too), but Harris Ranch is a much worse stop if you're looking to make time. Kettleman City might be on the menu as a first stop for the Route 1 (definitely not the EV6), but we're still waiting for the Electrify America and EV Range charging sites to go online there. As for charging times, even with the improved range, I'd still expect the Route 1 to require at least 50% more charging time due to both slower peak charging and having a larger battery to charge. So maybe an hour and a half total charging time for this trip.
The time at each charging stop is impressive not so much because of how long you're there for but for how much range you get for the minutes. My Mach-E GT stops on an 800km trip are 20-35 minutes but I've got to stop at every station but the EV6 can do a skip-stop strategy with no issue for the same amount of time.
Charging speed is everything when it comes to road tripping an EV. I just finished a 5200 mile road trip and looking at day 1 from San Jose to Gallup NM, 923 miles with 6 charging stops 2h2min if charging avg 15min. Two stops were 30min which overlapped meals. The Taycan did wonderfully, I’m sure the Ioniq 5/EV6 wouldn’t be far behind. Note I tend to hold it at 10 to 20% over limit hypothetically though as the car is most efficient at higher speeds. More analysis, 312kWh to get there so 153kW avg charging speed. Not optimal by far but more than good enough, 13h of driving and 2h of charging.
Gotta love it when the car charges so fast that you don’t have time to eat. Huge progress there, but is it too fast for battery longevity? It has been demonstrated that the EV6/Ioniq5 will charge 10-80% about 4 minutes slower on a 150 kw charger vs 350, so no real time lost if you can’t get to the fastest chargers.
Yeah, I’m also afraid it could be a little too fast for battery longevity. They should allow you to decrease the peak charging speed. On a road trip in my EV6, it charged too fast for me, haha
@@dennislyon5412 Yeah, that would help a lot as well. I’ve used both 50 and 350 kW chargers when it was over 100°F, and the active cooling was barely active when charging at 50 kW, but the fans were going crazy when charging on the 350 kW charger because it was significantly faster (170 kW for my standard-range EV6). The issue for me is that the high-powered chargers are popping up everywhere, and there often isn’t a 50 kW charger available on a trip. Kia should implement an option to reduce peak charging speed, similar to what Porsche and Mercedes both have done. It’s amazing that it charges so fast, but that doesn’t mean it’s good for the car.
You are one of the few EV Presenters I enjoy watching since you don't act like a clown used car salesman like other EV Presenters. Many of the youtube EV Presenters are nothing more than clowns out to make a buck off of youtube. You can tell the difference in the REAL EV Presenters like you. Thank you for being one of the good guys. I hope the clowns fall by the wayside in time and the real EV Presenters take their place.
This is the EV that I wanted to replace my Prius Prime, although I would have settled for a BZ4X FWD; unfortunately nether was available. BC (Canada) recently eliminated Provincial Sales Tax (PST) on used EVs, so even though Tesla EVs no longer qualify for Federal and Provincial Tax credits (they're above the $55K cap for their entry level trims), they still qualify for zero PST, so I ended up with a near new 2022 TM3 RWD...but I'm still envious every time I an EV-6 on the road or stopped to charge.
We do stop a little more frequently driving an EV on long orad trips. However, snce we are seniors now we enjoy getting out of the car more frequently and find at the end of the day we fell better than when we use to push it in an ICE vehicle. Taking a short walk to the Grap & Go counter fresh'n us up.
On every long trip I've taken in recent years, no matter how hard you try to keep your average speed at 70 or 75, when you do the math at the end of the day it always seems to work out to somewhere between 62 to 65 mph. On a trip of 600 miles, NORMAL humans always need to stop for bathroom breaks and meal breaks. Because an EV allows you to walk away while charging so that you can take care of business the total time for the trip is really not that much different than when using a ICE vehicle. It is insane to try and drive straight through... it fact, it is medically unhealthy. It is recommended that you stop every two hours to stretch and have a snack and every four hours to have a meal.
Yeah, unfortunately, this was done on a busy travel weekend, too, so all but one of the charges was on 150 kW. Less traffic and access to all 350 kW chargers could have easily knocked 45 mins to an hour off of this run.
It definitely would, but it depends on how Tesla manages it. Add CCS plugs? Or require an adapter. Either way, it would make traveling in just about any EV simple at that point. The only problem is that none of the networks are good at supporting larger format vehicles that are towing, so that's still going to be a problem. EVgo should help that a lot, though, with their pull-through chargers at Pilot/Flying J travel plazas.
Yes, and that's why I made the point about tracking the actual time spent charging. This run might seem slow by gas car standards, but most gas cars would have been lucky to do the same run in 10 hours. Especially on Memorial Day weekend, when there were also lines at the gas pumps.
Eric do you have any Evgo delta chargers in your area . We just got 4 new locations in Columbus Ohio area. Last night I was charging and they had a Tesla connector were the chademo was last week and have the chademo on the side of unit plug in. You can use the ccs and chademo at same time they are 100 kw units. Or the Tesla and ccs. The Tesla connector is 50 kw but chademo is up to 100kw. And the have a stand alone dual ccs unit with large screen. I think it is part of the gm expansion. The only thing I can’t figure out with these units is how to use my rfid card if I want too . Sometimes my app is stuck for awhile. The old units have a space to tap it but these just have a credit card reader.
@@markfitzpatrick6692 Hey, Mark! Yes, I've used those units. There were a couple at the last EVgo site I used in the close of this video. They are definitely counterintuitive to get started, but I was able to by sliding my RFID card lengthwise over the face of the payment reader. Thanks for the reminder. I'm going to do a deeper dive into the 100 kW Delta units soon.
We took our ICE on a 1000 mile (one way) road trip. I timed my refueling/bio break/snack stops. The shortest was 15 minutes, longest was 20. So an EV charge stop of 20 minutes or so is no worse than using an ICE car. A three hour drive time in the Kia is longer than my body can stand....I have to stop sooner than that. So, in my mind, there's no difference in time if I drive an EV or ICE on a long road trip. I mention this for the naysayers who say that they won't do a road trip in an EV due to longer travel times.
Amateur hour. If you applaud 0-60 videos of Teslas roasting Ferraris then I want you to applaud a 200K mile VW beating an EV by a larger percentage in a 1000 mile race. Seriously? 3 hours is more than you can handle? I doubt your ability to safely drive 1 hour if that's true
I think this is what people don't understand, you're still stopping to refuel, but to their credit, not everyone takes as longer, many people rush to fuel and leave. I'm somewhat like you, I need to break every 2-3 hours and for me the EVs would be perfect. Unfortunately, the infrastructure in South Texas (where I live) isn't here to travel comfortably with an EV.
Great review. Finally, someone testing out RWD, as most other UA-camrs testing AWD only.
Thanks! Yeah, I'm not sure why people are so focused on the AWD. When they told me it would be a RWD for review, I was stoked. I might still try to get an AWD GT for review, just to give a good comparison, but I probably won't do another 1,000 km run with that one. I kind of want to test out the Light even more (it's the most affordable after all).
@@newscoulomb3705I have a Light and I love it. I’ve road tripped it a ton since getting it in April 2022. 20k miles on the odometer right now. It’s a 600 volt pack fully charged and 500 v when low (rough numbers). So the only downside is hitting up the older 62.5 ChargePoint stuff because it’ll only touch 40-45 kW which climbs as the pack voltage goes up. On 150 EA or 350 kW EA/EVgo hardware I’ve seen a max of 179 kW with 160-170 kW super typical. 54 kWh usable pack size is what I use for road trip calculations and that seems to be right on this year (assuming 100% State of Health). Now downsides of the Light are that first Kia killed it for 2023. Sad but I guess maybe lower profit margin or harder to move? And big downside if you road trip in the cold is all 2022 EV6 still have no preconditioning. The dumb thing is the car definitely puts 5-6 kW of battery heating into the pack while cold (below 20 C pack temperature) so if only we could have that toggle switch to flip that on while on the way to wherever. I wish cars would just show battery pack temps and let the driver turn the battery heater on whenever. Even just driving around I may not give a darn about efficiency but I don’t want to hurt my cold battery while romping on the “go pedal”. Speaking of efficiency the light has recorded a lifetime 3.7 mi/kWh total across all trips with a big majority of that being interstate travel with some trips averaging over 75 mph on relatively deserted highways in our great land. I don’t hit up too many super busy travel corridors unlike folks who start in the mega cities so I would say that the Light is a great car if you can go without some of the goodies on the higher spec cars. I have a review by the way: www.myevreview.com/review/kia/ev6/ev6-light-58-kwh-rwd
Awesome job! I just recently did a trip from the Bay Area down to San Diego and back in my EV6 Light RWD (standard range battery) and was extremely impressed. I saw peaks of over 170 kW, despite every charging session being in over 100°F weather. I wasn’t in a rush, so I actually wanted to focus on efficiency for the run, and the car didn’t disappoint. I stayed at around 62-65 mph on I-5 (weekday so there was barely any traffic), and averaged 4.3 mi/kWh on the entire trip. The complimentary 1,000 kWh of EA charging is another huge bonus.
I’m a little bit concerned about the long-term effects of charging these cars this incredibly fast, and I plan to keep the car past the warranty period, so I tried to stick to 150 kW chargers (though the car still pulled 170 kW at times). I also kept the car between 20-70% SoC the entire time. I think in most cases, the car actually charges too fast for the average person that wants to get something to eat or have a break. In any case, great to see what the long-range EV6 can do when attempting to get the fastest times. Good job explaining it was a real-world test, so there will always be variables that affect the time.
Thanks! Great info!
This is maybe even more true for the Light, but doing a longer trip in an EV6, I would definitely make one stop at a ~50 kW charger. Just take my time, grab a meal, and make two other short stops at faster chargers. That also limits the long-term wear on the battery.
@@newscoulomb3705 For sure! I completely agree. One of the EA chargers down in LA malfunctioned and only charged at ~60 kW, and I didn’t bother moving because I was perfectly happy with that speed. And as you said, charging the smaller battery at a 50 kW charger will be faster than doing the same with the long-range, as the C-rate is higher on the smaller battery.
Everyone complains about the Bolt EV’s “slow” charging speeds and whatnot, but honestly, I think that’s the main reason why yours has such little degradation after all the DC fast charging it’s endured. As a side note, I took my EV6 in for a ceramic coating and PPF, and they gave me a 2020 Bolt EV as a loaner car. I was expecting it to still feel nice, but maybe a little outdated. After driving it, I was blown away. Still feels totally modern for tech that came out in 2017, and the range and efficiency blew me away. I also found the “cheap” interior materials to be cost-appropriate, and I didn’t mind them at all.
Yeah, if people are complaining about time to charge with the 800 volt cars, they are not looking to change from ICE.
I appreciate these types of tests. I do something similar on my own channel. I just did a 500mi loop in my Ioniq5 Limited AWD and the efficiency is definitely worse, but not horribly worse considering the terrain on I5 going through central and southern Oregon where I do my tests. I’ll save the details for when the video is released in a couple weeks. These cars are so easy to road trip though. The charging stops are so short that it is almost stressful when trying to maximize travel speed and film a video.
Awesome video! Very interesting results.
Great video, Eric! I'm glad to see someone finally doing a serious test of the RWD model. That extra range will definitely be helpful in places here in the Western US.
Do you have any more videos with the car? I'd love to see a charging test or a more specific highway range test beyond the 1000 km challenge.
Thanks! I didn't do any specific testing with it, no. I was mostly assessing charging speeds, charger compatibility, and getting a feel fort the car.
Where is that EVgo charger you're at at 19:30 of the Vid? And there was one other EVgo you stopped at. Were they 150 or 350 kw?
We've owned an EV6 since April, and we had the same problem on our one trip so far to Yosemite as you, it charges TOO fast. We didn't have enough time to eat our fast food at Subway before it charged to 100% at a 350 kW station. We decided to choose 150 kW stations instead to have more time to eat.
Yeah, the funny thing is, charging to 80% in the EV6 is only about 3 minutes difference between the 150 kW and 350 kW units. I saw an EV6 owner charging at a 100 kW EVgo unit instead of the 350 kW unit. When I realized they were stopping for lunch, it made a lot of sense.
@@newscoulomb3705 Yes, not much increase in time at 150kW. Since we usually charge from around 10% we gained about 5 minutes of time which was just enough. Eric, let me just clarify, when I said "it charges TOO fast" I was being a little bit facetious. I really like the fact that it charges so fast, I'm just so used to my old Bolt that it's really just a matter of adjusting my habits, just like I had to adjust my habits with the Bolt and it taking about an hour or so to charge 10% to 90%. The Kia EV6 is a much more comfortable car and it drives more smoothly over bumps, has more comfortable seats and is much quieter at highway speeds too than the Bolt EV. So I'm really happy with our Kia EV6 Wind RWD.
@@Jeff-wb3hh Yes, I imagine the most convenient way to travel would be to plan a few stops on 150 kW or slower chargers and just sit down for a nice meal and relax. Then get back on the road again and make a couple other 10 minute bathroom breaks.
Good stuff Eric. Thanks.
Thanks!
I love your testing. Great job with the EV6. I had a Bolt 2021 Premier, which I finally got the ID.4 I ordered back in September 2021. And compared to the Bolt the ID.4 charge curve is great. Not at the EV6 level but it's 2 plus times faster. 173kw peak and 80% we are at 50kw. It's really something to see.
Well done, thanks. That isn't much time spent charging, esp. for a major holiday.
Those charging speeds are incredible.
Absolutely!
The E-GMP cars are charging beasts. If the Koreans have minimal degradation over 8 years, then they have got this figured out!
@@anthonyc8499 well any ev with a lot of dc fast charging will have a higher degradation. All evs including Kia recommend keeping dc fast charging to a minimum
Great video.
I think the total time is less important as you said. The time it needs to charge is really what matters. Traffic and roads and weather conditions are always different. People also like to drive based on their own preference. If you take a 600+ miles road trip, you will definitely take more time resting/eating/stretching legs out than 60 minutes. Which means charging is no longer a factor on road trips. EVs are equivalent to gas cars when it comes to road trips.
Will u test the Mach e also?
I'm hoping to. I reached out to Ford several times with no reply, but I'm going to try again. The Lightning and Mach-E are both high on my list. Not sure how many more 1,000 km runs I'll do. I feel like an actual road trip can be just as valid.
@@newscoulomb3705 if you do one more 1000km run, please let it be in a California Route 1 RWD with the updated curve.
@@anthonyc8499 For better or worse, I think I've already signed myself up for a pre and post battery recall 1000 km run in my 2017 Bolt EV. 😬 The Route 1 would definitely be an interesting one, though.
I suspect that AWD Mach-Es with extended range packs are on par with the EV6 AWD to ~300 miles which includes a single 12-15 minutes stop to charge + bathroom. Beyond 300 miles, the EV6 charges twice as fast so every subsequent charging stop loses the MME 15-20 minutes.
@@anthonyc8499 I suspect you might be right, or at least pretty close with the differences. I think the Route 1 might edge out the RWD Wind on range by about 20 miles, but unfortunately, for this route, it wouldn't gain you much. Sure, you might be able to make it to Harris Ranch instead of Firebaugh (though I think the EV6 could have made it, too), but Harris Ranch is a much worse stop if you're looking to make time. Kettleman City might be on the menu as a first stop for the Route 1 (definitely not the EV6), but we're still waiting for the Electrify America and EV Range charging sites to go online there.
As for charging times, even with the improved range, I'd still expect the Route 1 to require at least 50% more charging time due to both slower peak charging and having a larger battery to charge. So maybe an hour and a half total charging time for this trip.
How long will it take to do the Kessel run?
The time at each charging stop is impressive not so much because of how long you're there for but for how much range you get for the minutes. My Mach-E GT stops on an 800km trip are 20-35 minutes but I've got to stop at every station but the EV6 can do a skip-stop strategy with no issue for the same amount of time.
This is how all EVs need to perform on road trips. I hope 800 V hardware becomes standard across industry.
Interesting but my 2017 Leaf gets 4.6 miles/kWh. Not bad?
Charging speed is everything when it comes to road tripping an EV. I just finished a 5200 mile road trip and looking at day 1 from San Jose to Gallup NM, 923 miles with 6 charging stops 2h2min if charging avg 15min. Two stops were 30min which overlapped meals.
The Taycan did wonderfully, I’m sure the Ioniq 5/EV6 wouldn’t be far behind.
Note I tend to hold it at 10 to 20% over limit hypothetically though as the car is most efficient at higher speeds.
More analysis, 312kWh to get there so 153kW avg charging speed. Not optimal by far but more than good enough, 13h of driving and 2h of charging.
Is this the Glacier White?
Gotta love it when the car charges so fast that you don’t have time to eat. Huge progress there, but is it too fast for battery longevity? It has been demonstrated that the EV6/Ioniq5 will charge 10-80% about 4 minutes slower on a 150 kw charger vs 350, so no real time lost if you can’t get to the fastest chargers.
Yeah, I’m also afraid it could be a little too fast for battery longevity. They should allow you to decrease the peak charging speed. On a road trip in my EV6, it charged too fast for me, haha
@@BrandonKipp You can set charging speed(3 levels)
@@rinbine2713 Yes, but that’s for AC charging. Those levels have no effect on DCFC speeds sadly
@@BrandonKipp use 50 or 62 kw chargers when it’s hot out?
@@dennislyon5412 Yeah, that would help a lot as well. I’ve used both 50 and 350 kW chargers when it was over 100°F, and the active cooling was barely active when charging at 50 kW, but the fans were going crazy when charging on the 350 kW charger because it was significantly faster (170 kW for my standard-range EV6). The issue for me is that the high-powered chargers are popping up everywhere, and there often isn’t a 50 kW charger available on a trip. Kia should implement an option to reduce peak charging speed, similar to what Porsche and Mercedes both have done. It’s amazing that it charges so fast, but that doesn’t mean it’s good for the car.
You are one of the few EV Presenters I enjoy watching since you don't act like a clown used car salesman like other EV Presenters. Many of the youtube EV Presenters are nothing more than clowns out to make a buck off of youtube. You can tell the difference in the REAL EV Presenters like you. Thank you for being one of the good guys. I hope the clowns fall by the wayside in time and the real EV Presenters take their place.
Thank you. My main goal is to educate and inform about these cars and how they operate in the real world.
This is the EV that I wanted to replace my Prius Prime, although I would have settled for a BZ4X FWD; unfortunately nether was available. BC (Canada) recently eliminated Provincial Sales Tax (PST) on used EVs, so even though Tesla EVs no longer qualify for Federal and Provincial Tax credits (they're above the $55K cap for their entry level trims), they still qualify for zero PST, so I ended up with a near new 2022 TM3 RWD...but I'm still envious every time I an EV-6 on the road or stopped to charge.
We do stop a little more frequently driving an EV on long orad trips. However, snce we are seniors now we enjoy getting out of the car more frequently and find at the end of the day we fell better than when we use to push it in an ICE vehicle. Taking a short walk to the Grap & Go counter fresh'n us up.
On every long trip I've taken in recent years, no matter how hard you try to keep your average speed at 70 or 75, when you do the math at the end of the day it always seems to work out to somewhere between 62 to 65 mph. On a trip of 600 miles, NORMAL humans always need to stop for bathroom breaks and meal breaks. Because an EV allows you to walk away while charging so that you can take care of business the total time for the trip is really not that much different than when using a ICE vehicle. It is insane to try and drive straight through... it fact, it is medically unhealthy. It is recommended that you stop every two hours to stretch and have a snack and every four hours to have a meal.
Wasted time charging past 80%. Best to limit charges to 80 and do an additional short stop to pee.
Yeah, unfortunately, this was done on a busy travel weekend, too, so all but one of the charges was on 150 kW. Less traffic and access to all 350 kW chargers could have easily knocked 45 mins to an hour off of this run.
If you need a break time, you just charge to 90%(30 minutes).
Tesla SCs will help the non-Tesla EV road-trips.
It definitely would, but it depends on how Tesla manages it. Add CCS plugs? Or require an adapter. Either way, it would make traveling in just about any EV simple at that point.
The only problem is that none of the networks are good at supporting larger format vehicles that are towing, so that's still going to be a problem. EVgo should help that a lot, though, with their pull-through chargers at Pilot/Flying J travel plazas.
It's real world. You're going to have traffic delays.
Yes, and that's why I made the point about tracking the actual time spent charging. This run might seem slow by gas car standards, but most gas cars would have been lucky to do the same run in 10 hours. Especially on Memorial Day weekend, when there were also lines at the gas pumps.
@@newscoulomb3705 I know I just wanted to underscore that. Keep up the good work.
Eric do you have any Evgo delta chargers in your area . We just got 4 new locations in Columbus Ohio area. Last night I was charging and they had a Tesla connector were the chademo was last week and have the chademo on the side of unit plug in. You can use the ccs and chademo at same time they are 100 kw units. Or the Tesla and ccs. The Tesla connector is 50 kw but chademo is up to 100kw. And the have a stand alone dual ccs unit with large screen. I think it is part of the gm expansion.
The only thing I can’t figure out with these units is how to use my rfid card if I want too . Sometimes my app is stuck for awhile. The old units have a space to tap it but these just have a credit card reader.
@@markfitzpatrick6692 Hey, Mark! Yes, I've used those units. There were a couple at the last EVgo site I used in the close of this video. They are definitely counterintuitive to get started, but I was able to by sliding my RFID card lengthwise over the face of the payment reader.
Thanks for the reminder. I'm going to do a deeper dive into the 100 kW Delta units soon.