Saitama VS Popeye IS A ONE-SIDED MASSACRE
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- Due to mega high request today we're power scaling and reacting to Saitama VS Popeye (One-Punch Man VS Thimble Theatre) | DEATH BATTLE!
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"He took a big gamble, but now he is scrambled. I'm Popeye the Sailor Maaaaan!
Cool😊
TOOT TOOT
Greatest comment ever!
yeah its debunked
@@Gremlin969 Popeye still bitch slaps Saitama to a weeping Calliou if he wanted. The bar is simply too outlandish for Saitama to counter for now.
Saitama: “Are you sure you wanna fight me?”
Popeye: “I’m a sailor from the 1940’s, fighting the Jappos is just what I do.”
Best line I have ever heard
Popeyes form the 20s idot
Nux: "I can't even be mad."
Also Nux: **Is totally mad**
He’s mad that he can’t even be mad
@@leonardorolingstella8554 He found the classic anger loophole that allows him to still be mad at **something** lol
"Who caaares? I don't care. I don't even care."
[I care immensely]
@@nobodytooimportant3621JonTron reference
Win or lose but I can say one think for sure they knew shaitama is so strong so they choose a extremely broken character for kids show who have utterly ridiculous powers to beat My man saitama.😂
FUN FACT Popeye was SUPER beloved and popular in Japan so much so that Popeye Arcade by Nintendo was designed by Genyo Takeda and Shigeru Miyamoto. Previously, Nintendo had originally intended to make a video game based on the Popeye characters, but was denied a license, so the mostly original characters of Mario, Donkey Kong, and Pauline were developed for Donkey Kong (1981).
I would love a popeye game like cuphead nowadays.
It warms my heart to know that old western cartoons inspired other countries to make their own.
Like Megaman originating from Astro Boy XD
Popeye for Smash Bros
@@zacharybartolo5111 You could day anime fans are furries.
See, anime was inspired by creating human characters based on noodle style anination like Popeye and Mickey Mouse and the characters of Tex Avery.
So anime is human characters based off anthropomorphic characters.
So anime is Japanese furry art of humans.
At the end of the day, it might´ve been a one-sided battle, but it was also beautiful, seeing him finally feel the struggle, the emotion, the FIGHT within him, and how the flame he once thought diminished, was igniting again (even if it was one last time).
*_"Give the man to me and he'll be wanting a different career, or just revert him into a faker, even make it all a mere dream to the author's own. For Popeye's case... He'll be driven more insane then the Tattletale Strangler."_*
Obscure referencing jests aside, yes this battle is gorgeous.
I dunno, the entire fight seemed to completely misrepresent saitama as a whole, taking very little of his story into account, and just plain making fun of him with Popeye. I mean, we saw how Saitama appeared when he felt the joy of battle again in the FIRST EPISODE, and here they just made him seem like a happy-go-lucky idiot gracefully accepting death. If there was one thing I absolutely despise Death Battle for, it's how they misrepresent so many of the losers in favor of propping up the winner.
Cringe
its one sided battle and the loosing side is popaye
@@louzo5175 THE SALT IS REAL
Nux when Saitama punches Garou through time: "It's legit."
Nux when Popeye tanks three punches from a regular guy: "And I took that personally."
IKR, SOOO hypocritical. Saitama punching a black hole is cool, but Popeye punching the sun is dumb.
@@TeranIcer There actually is more to Pops then what was told here everyone, be thankful that DB didn't mention all stats and for good reason, it would be a disrespectful Aquaman Funeral for Saitama XD
I like to think Nux is just trolling though, he's not THAT DUMB XD
@@yourcordialvermillionchapw2398
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I KNEW THAT REFERENCE
To be fair, this Death Battle came out before the Saitama vs Awakened Garou, but had it come out after the Saitama vs Awakened Garou fight, then maybe Saitama would have won against Popeye!🤔🧐
tanks? he was taking damage, i dont think that puts him on the same level as saitama defense
"They're taking his feats too literally"
That's... the point of a death battle...
All throughout this video, I was just wondering: "This guy's trying to start a war with someone who can ONE PUNCH!! his UA-cam straight out of existence, isn't he...?" I guess Death Battle really does bring out the worst in some people. Just like driving. And alcohol. And... basically everything else.
Yeah Nux is being dumb cuz narrative does not matter in a battle when it’s not inverse, you can’t use narrative to argue someone wins in a cross verse battle literally he Chuck debunked him and he conceded to this deleting his old Saitama video.
Saitama can’t surpass Popeye not cuz of toon force but cuz he’s just not in the same tier of power, he can’t grow stronger fast enough to even reach the level of Popeye before he gets killed, he only surpassed Garou cuz they were close in power meanwhile Popeye is above universal Gods and that’s not even his highest scaling so until Saitama fights and beats his own God who made the universal then he can’t even scratch the balls do Popeye.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls comparing Saitama to Popeye is like comparing Frank down the street with Darkseid
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls Thank you, someone who understands Death Battle more than anyone.
Also, 27:53: This happened to Popeye twice, both shorts being from the Famous Studios Era, and I didn't like that era because of how formulaic it was... but then we have shorts like "Rocket to Mars" and "Popeye - the Ace of Space", in which Popeye came back from disintegration; the clip shown in that example was from the latter.
@@robbiewalker2831 Cuz I’m a power scaler, I don’t agree with them all the time but I am fair and understand how they work.
Nux isn’t completely wrong if we put people into another’s verse you could try to argue that the narrative of the verse and character would mark them win tho that’s only true if the author has control imo, narrative should not matter even in a crossverse battle in each other’s verse cuz it is not about narrative it is about scaling and facts we can prove, Saitama can still grow in power and so can Goku without narrative cuz it is an ability they have but then we measure who has better growth and who is stronger and if the weaker one can grow enough to make up for the strength gap which Saitama can’t since it’s a literal dimensional tier difference in power which is beyond infinite so until Saitama gets to universe he can’t even fight base Goku or even do shit to Popeye.
These are the facts and to be fair to Nux he admits his biases, he says if Saitama was in Popeye’s world he would lose and if Popeye was in Saitama’s world then Popeye loses and if they are in a neutral ground then Popeye wins cuz of stats and toon force, the only issues with what he said is him implying the toon force is limited to his verse and makes Popeye unstoppable which ain’t true, and that Saitama could even kill Popeye cuz the narrative of surpassing him tho he has nothing for his toon force and coming back from nothingness, but I’ll cut him some slack.
Nux: db takes feats at face value
Also nux: taking every saitama feat at face value
cause they're logically justified to be taken literally
@etherealbeing69 its just hypocrisy. Toons can literally do whatever they want. If saitama fought mickey mouse or bugs bunny, it would be the same result. Hell if he fought bobobo(keeping it anime vs anime) it would be even worse
@dakaraipatterson2986 right... because there wasn't a ton of favouritism going on for Popeye, huh 😂
@@Pandemia616 there is none. If you can show me in the video, I will admit it
@@dakaraipatterson2986 now who's the hypocrite 💀
This death battle caused a big change in the channel. Every db before this they use clips from shows and let the audio play out like the characters saying a catchphrase or something. This video got a strike for using a clip from One Punch Man. So they changed it and removed audio from both clips or popeye and saitama. Every db afterwards they no longer use clips with audio and just write lines for themselves to introduce characters
This death battle happened before the fight nux is referring to, but likely still wouldn't help him win cause Popeye can still occupy two places at once, enough to hit himself, he can still come back from nothing, and he can still punch Saitama into a bunch of eggs.
If Popeye got sent into the past he would just wait until the day of the fight. If he’s sent to the future he’ll eat some spinach before running so fast he’s catapulted back in time to the day of the fight
@@TheUncivilizedNation Not that it matters either, as Pops has long acknowledged plotting shortcuts and bitch slap Saitama anyways XD.
Bare in mind: Pops has already resisted and bested opponents under those same Spinach effects (that is fast enough to go back in time Flash style)... Normally, meaning Pops was not under ANY STREAKS OF SPINACH. I guess it's just that conceptually etched inside Pops that he became far more built different then other users.
Oh, and Pops Cosmology compared to Saitama's: *is 7-8 Spatial Dimensions huger.*
yeah, but saitama did the same thing at the start of his journey when he still had hair
he turned so fast he could see back of his own head
@@louzo5175 That's just light and relativity. If you could move near enough to the speed of light, you could do the same thing, theoretically.
Not to mention that Saitama's greatest feat is bullsht
The thing is that, even if we took into consideration Saitama's recent feats, he would *still* lose to Popeye because that's just how insurmountable the gap in power between them is.
The former breaks the rules of his own universe quite easily, but Popeye literally never obeyed any to begin with. Which, to be fair, is pretty true to the character.
yeah basically even if saitama could overpower popeye with strength, speed, whatever else popeye can just go nu uh and out bullshit him.
Counter argument: The scope of the fight would have been WAY bigger, with galaxies exploding and such. He still would lose, but it would have been so much cooler!
But once encountering popeye, saitama will gain the same ability but be better at it. That is his power. Popeye ability is to have toon bullshit power. Saitama gets better bullshit toon power (whatever that is) so popeye will lose. This is the garou fight just with different abilities (both fights break reality btw).
I also recall that Popeye's Cosmology is decently massive: Remember that Popeye has shrugged off all of his Cosmology shutting down + knocked out the creators that were there... Now I am going by memory here, but the Popeye verse has approximately 7 or 8 Dimensions at most and he survived all of it. Popeye has a shit ton more hax TOO LONG to name here that will STILL put the whole current "Saitama surpasses Popeye" To absolute shame as it is. Pops speed if it wasn't already ludicrous enough, is not Massively Faster Then Light, but is technically Immeasurable just from the fact Pops outfought those already enhanced by Spinach *without being under the effect, in base form basically (the same Spinach that is powerful enough pull a Flash through time already!)* functions fine from the absence of said Cosmology and through it, etc...
Also it's not much, but about the whole *"But he is racist!"* Ordeal, sure what Pops did was terrible... *But it's not really the bigger picture when you think about it:* Bro literally had his own colored uncle ben that taught him responsibility + much like other Toons who did some insensitive stuff today have become much better people regardless, they were born smack dab in the middle of differing times for crying out loud so we gotta cut them slack there (I.E: Bugs and Mickey doing some racist stuff that were considered the norm, but now they have no problem being with these people).
It’s like the Goku vs Superman fight. Even if Goku can surpass his limits, Superman never had limits to begin with
Ive legit never seen nux this intensely coping. Popeye literally said no to his version of GOD AND AN ANIMATOR who were above any sense of physics. Popeye is God level X2 basically. Or infinityX3 basically in terms of any sense of comprehension. Even then its not a measurement. This fight is an sword that can eventually pierce anything versus a shield that cant be pierced by anything the sword can do on a physical plane.
If he keeps abusing that copium, we'll have to send him to rehab
what he saying is true though, if popeye ignores saitamas punches, saitama will just grow to literal infinite strength, removing everything known to humanity including popeye and his comics + writers essentially
@@tikket10 Based on what? Saying "his power just keeps on growing" is a huge no limits fallacy, where you're saying that just because a limit hasn't been shown, we have to assume there are none at all
There's no evidence that Saitama could grow anywhere near as strong as Popeye even if the fight went on for 1,000 years
@@Lonk2976 there is. its called having no limits.
@@tikket10 What proof is there that Saitama has no limits? Please, go on
And no, "he's a gag character" isn't enough
I said it on the original video, and I'll say it here. Win or lose, Saitama got what he always wanted. A real fight where he finally got to push himself. Seeing him happy brings a little tear to my eye.
So they both won in that case
The cope is insane
@@kaddindefiant If Saitama can best 7-8th dimensional beings at bare minimum, I can see him matching Pops... But currently it's STILL not looking good for our dear Caped Calliou over here XD.
@@yourcordialvermillionchapw2398Yeah I agree, I don’t see Saitama knocking out his own animator while he’s being drawn. I dont even know if Saitama can even harm Popeye, he survived reality being turned off. My mans is built different 💀
@@kaddindefiant It's acceptable at least. What are you smoking?
Another thing fans of Saitama should consider is that it should be flattering that they picked a toon to go up against him. You *know* they wanted to use Saitama but weren't sure who to pit him against. They didn't want it to be a stomp, so they wanted someone they thought could feasibly beat him. The fact that they picked a toon before researching because they thought that was the power level necessary to reasonably fight him is an insane testament to how strong he is.
I’m pretty sure that happened in the SpongeBob vs Aquaman fight. They picked them both bcs they were losers, and later they realized that SpongeBob was capable of destroying entire universes and that Aquaman’s best feats were literally garbage
@@leonardorolingstella8554 Not even ACTUAL AQUAMEN could best SB however, and SB isn't one I would call truly a loser upon a closer lens. Also, put Saitama against SCP-682 and it will end *much more terribly!* And I mean the lizard has become powerful to the point the whole concept of evolutionary surpassing's are useless against the SCP. For all of Saitama's documented stats, is not *as sheerly broken* as he's currently made out to be XD.
I think so too. I think they picked them, found out it was onesided, then decided to just run with that gag.@@leonardorolingstella8554
@@yourcordialvermillionchapw2398You know the damn lizard doesn't always win, it always survives. It probably would become something that couldn't be hurt, like when it created extra eyes against Peanut.
@@clauro6153it doesn't always survive though, it's called the hard to destroy reptile not the impossible to destroy reptile. Whatever ended the world in O death killed the lizard too. He hid from the sun in when day breaks, hes died in a couple scp tales too if i remember right
"Saitama's gimmick is that he always surpasses his opponent!"
Yeah, and Popeye's gimmick is that he always wins after eating his spinach. Even if we go by this "gimmick" logic, Popeye still takes it lol
You mean Popeye's gimmick??
@@mirzapramudya1580 How did I mistype his whole name without noticing? lol
both of those gimmicks are the same thing and you agreed they both are their gimmicks, so what you just said right now is extremely hypocritical as you believe popeye's gimmick is better than saitama's when they are the same thing, BUT saitama actually has feats while popeye has none
@@gcthesequel3241 Popeye ignored the universe being erased around him. Popeye beat a 4-D God in arm wrestling. Popeye defeated a 7-D jeep in a fist fight. Popeye can exit his cartoon and knock out the animator drawing him. Popeye could come back from being erased from existence. Popeye can punch someone so fast that they go back in time. Popeye can punch someone so hard he rips up the cartoon strip and the opponent falls off the animation frames.
@@PauloJrchannel wtf does 7d mean you are just saying things without thinking
Nux: 'Copes and seethes the entire video.'
Nux, at the end: "I can't be mad."
Well, in his defense, he was mad at the power scaling and the logic used, he thought the animation and storyboarding for the fight were epic so he couldn't be mad at the result.
@@mentaya11 Indeed. He kind of does that with a lot of them. Especially when he's biased for the loser.
I just appreciate that he acknowledges his biases and admires the good work done even when he disagrees with them. That's part of what keeps me coming back to watch his reactions.@@Neutra77
@@mentaya11 Fair enough, I'm the same.
@@mentaya11the results were right even if the scaling sucked
This is a lot like Hercules Vs. The Monkey King. Strength alone doesn't matter when the enemy can play by their own rules. There are characters who can beat Popeye, but those characters either have abilities that are so poorly defined that the moment the rules doesn't apply they can effectively adapt to Popeyes shenanigans, or they have abilities that can enforce those rules to prevent these shenanigans. Hell, in terms of strongest gag anime characters, Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo is so chaotic and overpowered in terms of abilities that he literally drives his enemies insane.
Well said.
Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo vs Axe Cop would be a good fight.
@@NoESanity I'd watch the FUCK outta that!
Toonforce. Popeye is over-powered on his own, but toonforce shenanigans is going to win by default.
Up bro
"You can't take the fact that his creator said he's an end of series character slapped at the beginning of his series as a power feat"
I find this so hilarious given that most Saitama fanboys do this exact thing with the "gag character" argument
Gag and parody are to different things. In Saitama case, he was a unique case. He is a legit overpowered character (maxed out stats at the get go), plus his strength increases over course of battle.
@@SFgamer
We don't know to what extent, though.
"He's a gag character" can't be used to justify him being able to do anything he wants. I can say something like "If someone went back in time to kill Saitama as a child, he'd die in the present," which is a completely logical statement, and someone would still say "But he's a gag character so nuh uh"
@@Lonk2976 yeah it just depends on the writing. think about it, if someone in the show time traveled to kill baby saitama, do you really think the writers would let it happen? he can time travel too, so theyd probably make him save himself or something like that. hes a gag character so it doesnt make sense to put him against anyone with measurable feats because the writer is the one who decides the winner.
this is one of the perfect of examples of "COME ON HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE THAT?" death battle is capable of at there best agree or disagree it makes alot of epic moments.
Yet another "My character's feats are super cool and my interpretation of them is absolute fact/the other character's feats should be disregarded and nothing they have done is to be taken seriously" reaction from Nux. The salt levels are unreal.
They are wholly real, he knows and admits he is huper biased
Nux, my lad how we gonna calculate anything from Popeye if we dont treat it seriously. The man is a rubber hose era cartoon, everything he does is a gag. This isnt a one off joke where the protagonist rolls over when they're asleep and dodges lasers, its Popeye's entire existence.
Anime fans when Saitama can bench planets from doing 100 pushups, sit ups, squats and a 10km run every day: *"Seems legit. Totally fair."*
Anime fans when Popeye can destroy stars because he eats his spinach: *"THIS IS RIDICULOUS!" I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE TAKING THAT SERIOUSLY!*
Double standards sure are a thing for biased anime fans, huh?
One punch man fans*, not anime fans lol. I like the show but hated fandoms too, they thinks Saitama can beat anyone in fiction but he's not even universal yet, what a fodder lmao
If Saitama has no magical ability to 1 punch anything as you agreed, then why are you taking his wish at face value? and why take his exponential growth like it’s the most unstoppable thing in fiction?
EXACTLY, NUX IS WAYYY TOO BIASED.
@@Chris1346 well he did say he was biased so he’s not even tryna hide it lmao
Oh my freaking god that exponential graph…It’s weird when people bring this graph up because… all manga and anime protags scale up in power when they encounter a tough fight. You could draw this graph for like any protag and it would remain true. It’s certainly true for Goku who unlocks new forms when he has to.
@@wetscrub90it’s only talked about so much for Saitama because that’s how his literal power works lol. Other anime characters may get an “Anime Power Up Moment”, but for Saitama he just grows exponentially in strength to match, and exceed his opponent. It also disproves people trying to claim he has the power to beat foes in one punch.
@@wetscrub90 pretty generic way to look down on the exponential growth and devaluate it but sure
I don't think I've ever seen Nux huff his copium harder than this.
My guy, its immersurable vs meassureable, even if Saitama continues to exponentialy grow through out the fight, his strength remains meassureable.
Toon force.
It's some serious bs.
(Tbh, I have a personal theory that this is an indirect middle finger to the hordes demanding Saitama v Goku/Superman.)
To be fair, it's not like Saitama is measurable
As a fan of Saitama I will say, the reason why Saitama lost is because his fight against Popeye is a battle between a character that constantly defies logic and a character that never even had to consider it in the first place 😔
@@mikonyx7712 yep, and still, I think DB made this match up just so people would shut up, like with the mask vs deadpool :v
@@codebracker They literally say in the analysis it is.
He is@@codebracker . But he grows when he is equally matched.
Ah yes "I'm mad they're taking saitama seriously using the info available at the time and not future info they'd have no way of knowing but how dare they take popeye seriously with the info available"
Right 😂😂
I dont know why he was saying "uauauauagh they are taking it seriously" when they talked about his punches discombomulating things into different things. He was talking about how saitama benpressed two black wholes *on a manga cover* but popeye consistently doing that through the serious is too far, idk man. And even if you took scaling from the end of garous fight with saitama it doesnt matter, popeye is just too durable and has both the hax and power to kill him.
37:02
Nux, you’re forgetting that Popeye was able to eat spinach when nothing was there. Nothing ate the spinach and Popeye came back to life.
Also, the Serious Punch^2 is already calculated at Multi-Solar System. And I give off an estimation that at the end of the fight, Saitama should be most likely Galaxy Lvl; though it is noteworthy that it took quite a bit of time for Saitama to reach that level. Meanwhile, Popeye with Spinach can just survive his Universe getting turned off like it’s nothing.
If we don’t take feats as shown and be disingenuous, then how can we say its a proper vs matchup?
I agree,
Rules of popeye
Rule 1: if he gets his spinach he always wins
Rule 2: he always gets his spinach
And thus far the rules of Saitama in his series are:
Rule 1: Saitama is always arrives to the fight just a bit too late.
Rule 2: Saitama always wins the fight
Really simple when you look at it like that isn't it?
@@MarcoAntonioMoralesLopez
Midtama vs goatpeye
Do you unironically think saitama even had a chance?
Should've frankly. Toons can die, and for all intents and purposes Saitama doesn't function that much differently within his story to how a Toon might. Him moving a Portal is just like the kind of thing Bugs Bunny literally does with holes in his cartoons.
Besides, taking Toon Force seriously means taking the context of the different characters creative Intention to some degree. Popeye eats spinach to become unbeatable. Saitama just is unbeatable. If you want to take toon force seriously, then you have to take the creative intention f whatever media you're comparing that logic against seriously too.
@@MarcoAntonioMoralesLopez
I feel like it’s a bit unfair to say they took the toonforce feats “too seriously”. I mean, bullshit or not, he still did it. They can’t just look at that and say he didn’t do it. He still occupied two places at once, which is impossible to calculate, but it’s still a real feat, toonforce or not
So you think the measurements of the 'test of strength' to the sun measurement was a reasonable way to figure any sort of relevant information on what Popeye can do?
@@Skyinitus It was interesting, and they had already gotten most things out of the way so I don’t see why not include it
I mention because that kinda specifically isn't a good faith take. It takes something outside a context it was ever meant to be considered in, as it was only ever meant to be a visual joke.
Taking the context of Popeyes story being that he eats spinach and wins the fight frankly isn't that different from Saitama's role within his story. Both are indestructable, both are incredibly strong within their stories. If both of them have their feats and stories taken seriusly, I don't see a case where either can win.
@@BrazilianMongoose
@@SkyinitusBoth being "unbeatable" in their world doesn't mean a stalemate. You simply look at other factors like how powerful are their worlds, what abilities they have, etc. And yeah its obvious popeye has saitama beat like massively
This is part of why I kinda dislike Toon Force as a power-scaling concept. If you try to put someone without it against someone that does, the fight s decided before it ever could've begun depending on how serious it is taken.
Why test anything other than a toon against it if that is the case? Its absurd.
And in the process of using Toon Force as a power scaling concept, you are taking the context of exactly one side of the fight. A Toon can only act as a Toon because of Toon Force. Everything else has some degree of rules. Toon Force basically has none. And only works in the context of a Toon. 'A toon cannot die' or any of the other various things.
Its disingenuous to take one setting into such high account while otherwise ignoring the other. And that's all anything that involves Toon Force does.
@@Noot_Penguin
Damn, there was a HUGE amount of cope in this episode from Nux. It's a first time for me. It didn't matter what universe Saitama would've been in, he still would've lost off the pure fact that Popeye is an old timey cartoon character with toon force. Saitama could go back in time or whatever he was talking about, punch him, he'd die and then his dead body would eat spinach. Popeye would punch him again he'd turn into eggs, fight is over. It's just that simple of a concept. He can't surpass a limit that doesn't exist. Popeye just had better hax, aka, Toon Force.
I don't think Nux ever said that Saitama can beat Popeye (other than when he was arguing that if the fight took place in OPM's world), just that the fight would have been far closer.
@@nephel6158it can never be close, popeye "can just say no to damage" saitama doesn't have that as an option
yeah but even toon force isn't end all be all
it still bends to logic, and what's the most funny
to example, a character would only turn to items when its knocked out, kind of like faint in pokemon
and if saitama punches pop aye into another universe, hell still die because that's how plot strings work
you loose when you're out of were the camera can follow you feasibly to stay in one setting
of course there's still can be a gag were pop aye is on another planet in a crator, beat up with some aliens eating spinach and flying back, but saitama does the same quate frequently
pop aye will still show up some time later though
toon force - is what writers say it is, and he still takes damage same way toon force makes popaye take
Using Toon Force as a Strength Feat at all is frankly cringe. Saitama is a satire character, one that basically has the anime equivalent of Toon Force. In that he always wins all his fights without any real strain on his part. Hitting him with something on par with him just seems to make him stronger, without hurting him in any meaningful way. Saitama is a exponential growth Curve that only grows more exponentially powerful when hit with something that could potentially be considered to pose a threat to him.
Even if you want to claim Toon Force, the only fair conclusion would be that if because Toon Force Popeye is literally unkillable at all for any reason whatsoever, then Saitama would reach that same point and the fight would just be a standstill where nobody could win or loose.
toon force isnt always force,
its a plot conviniense of showcase of strength, wich saitama has the same amount
... Okay? I mean, what else do you take literally? If Popeye punches a tree and it forms into a bridge magically, is that supposed to not be a feat? Why, cause it's unrealistic? Punching someone so hard it hits them before the fight starts is unrealistic too. Should that not be counted?
"Punching someone so hard it hits them before the fight starts is unrealistic too"
There is such thing as shockwave
@@SFgamer shockwaves tend to follow the action, not precede them.
@@MasterofInterspace shut his ass up lmao
@@SFgamerSaitama went back in time and punched someone before even throwing the punch (technically speaking). That's what the reference was about.
Nux: Rants about Saitama being able to "surpass toon force".
Toon Force: If it's funny, it's possible. Popeye winning is funny, so he wins.
Cope and seethe, weaboos.
Nux: Saitama should’ve won because his gag is that he adapts to anything
Death Battle: no his gag is he’s a end of series protagonist stuck at the start of it
Nux:well he shouldn’t be judged on what his gag is.
It's also stupid saying, "He surpasses his opponent, that is his gag." Almost all MC in anime eventually surpass their opponent 💀 thats how a villain gets defeated.
@@harundoener saitama isnt just any mc tho, hes one punch man whos purposely set to be stronger than his opponent no matter what they are
@@Gremlin969 as Death battle has said in the conclusion. Saitama does not have an ability thats lets him defeat anyone automatically with one punch. He just happens to be stronger than anyone in his universe. Thats the joke, but if someone was stronger than him he would loose. But noone is in his world. People should get it in their head that he is a parody character and not really a gag character like Arele for example.
Nux just hates death battle for having ( some L fights though some of them can be reasonable because some of the fights happened before the one that lost got big ass power boost ) but most death battle now a days are right
@@harundoener
They didn't do the research on Saitama properly thatswhy it seemed that way but the creator of Opm literally made Saitama to where no matter what the ability or opponent faced against him he can just one punch them, it doesnt subject to a specific possibility, literally in a generic sense, Saitama's literal power is that he can one punch away anything despite rules saying otherwise, we literally saw the dude punch through an astral dimension, and not be affected to mind hax cause dude just didn't care, we saw him flip a hyperspace portal, literally a rift through spacetime when its physically impossible, all it lines with Saitama's invincibility he has after limit breaking and literally designed to have an invincible power. When you say he doesn't have "abilities" to counter this, you're literally missing the key aspect that he was literally made to not have abilities and brute his way out, against beings who manipulate the reality of the cosmos, even the monster God who's literally stated to be higher dimensional. He was literally stated to transcend spacetime and causality, so hes way more than brute strength and literally deviates from the physical laws of his verse as a result of gags.
Popeye canonically beats silver age Superman
GotDAMN that's insane
I thought that was Golden Age?
While I wanna make fun of Nux and my friends whenever there's a DB that has them like "THIS CHARACTER SHOULD'VE WON", I remember I've never been a die-hard fan of a show like that, so there's every chance that if I was, I'd probably be just as in my feelings if a character I felt should've won didn't
Take a shot every time Nux says the word "surpass"
They never wiped out universes in the Garou fight 😂 You think this is Goku vs Beerus?
The headcanon here really went crazy... It was literally never stated anywhere in the entire fight that Saitama "AUTOMATICALLY grows stronger than his opponent"
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... It was... It was literally just that Saitama and Garou were both consistently getting stronger and Saitama was just getting stronger faster. I'm genuinely so confused on whether Nux is just trolling or not.
35:14 “That’s all I can stands cause’ I can’t stands NO MORE!”
One of the most famous Popeye quotes. Also used to state the facts that he has nothing to stand upon (surface/sun) and that he is not gonna hold back.
They never actually let Saitama explain his whole workout after he mentions the 100 push-ups, 100 situps, 100 squats, and 10k run he also mentions how he doesn't use AC in summer or heating in Winter and I believe he also mentioned only eating a banana for breakfast before he was interrupted because nobody took him seriously so there's still a lot we don't know about his actual workout.
Plot twist bro was juiced to the gills this whole time
I love how certain channels feel the need to explain in detail something completely different/loosely connected to what they where just talking about to prove a point
Nux when Caped Baldy disperses some stars: Hell yeah
Nux when Sailor Man has an entire comic all about ignoring an universal god: : ,(
He took a big gamble. Now he is scrambled. I am Popeye the sailor man. had me crying
You almost killed me at work with the Yoda pun 😂
This was easily my favorite death battle they ever made! And seeing Nux dying inside trying to hype up Saitama was fantastic!😂
I love watching Nux get salty over his characters losing death battles! But at least he is self-aware of it.
27:30 yeah but unfortunately, this episode was made BEFORE the Saitama vs Garou fight. But I think even then Popeye is still too godly.
The best Saitama can hope for is a situation where Popeye can't lose and he can't win so they'd both fight for eternity like Segata vs Chuck Norris.
They only way to beat a classic cartoon is to make them laugh to death
Seriously I believe only reality warpers are the only ones who can take on a cartoon
"laughs in SCP 3812" which beats Popeye by making the guy in the real world who created Popeye never have written him into existence.
@@SonoKurisusince when has turning off reality stop Popeye
@@SonoKurisuPopeye literally stopped existed and still came back. My man didn’t watch the video lmao
@@SonoKurisu Popeye survived God turning Reality OFF, SCP-3812 would get a Mud Hole stomped into Him
@@SonoKurisu That unfortunately will not work on Pops for reasons stated here.
Hell, there is this other character I know who already functioned from nothingness too + has layers of fictions under more fictions (one of which is the real world still being fictional, then there's our actual documented real world events), functioned in realms where logic/laws apply differently amongst other OP Acasuality Shenanigans, etc. Etc.
I wonder if we're ever gonna get a battle where the title isn't "A ONE SIDED MASSACRE" or any other substitute. Funny how we got similar for Courage and Scoob despite that being a draw.
It's for the clickbait
9:35 It's Obsession; that truck person saitama hit in episode one, he was a guy that tricked out cars to make them look cool and go fast; He didn't know JACK SHIT about cybernetic enhancement, yet by the power of his obsession, he was able to trick himself out. There's no way he could have possibly known how, a normal person would have bled out trying, but he did it.
The same goes for Saitama. He was obsessed with becoming "the strongest hero who can defeat any enemy in one punch" and so, even with a comparatively lackluster training regime, he did it.
This is one of my favorite death battles ever.
Chosen undeas vs dragon is a banger of a death battle.
I love that Nux always talks about how he’d do the show, which is always a very biased way
Also while it wouldn’t help a lot, cause toon force, the fight Nux keeps alluding to wasn’t published at the time of making the DB.
About as biased as how hard DB values Toon Force.
Toon force is just busted@@leofarron6135
@@leofarron6135I don’t know if it’s necessary a bias, it’s just what you get if you try to numerically quantify an unrealistic and unquantifiable factor.
@@leofarron6135 It's honestly the only way to properly quantify it. You can't just accept that Saitama's in universe thing is "I win", because you reach a paradox when he fights someone like Popeye whose entire in universe thing is also "I win", you need to go off of their feats literally, and in this case, Popeye just massively exceeded
@tananatana4011 good thing it doesn't take place in the nether universe and just goes by raw numbers and no gimmick other than their powers
Im so glad someone else says OPM powers come from obsession. So many characters get powers based on their wants and obsessions.
Even if the time-traviling feat was available during the making of this fight, i still think Popeye would win. He's survived his reality being turned off. He's survived being erase from existence. Both happened before he ate his spinach. I like Saitama and i hoped he would've won this but i knew that he didnt stand much of a chance against Popeye and all the bullshit he's capable of. Just like whenever they did The Mask vs Deadpool.
I knew Nux would get irritated by this
Was not disappointed
Its funny seeing Nux so passionate about something that he starts yelling about it
Okay boys and girls, how many times do you think Nux says a variation on "I'm not mad," during this video?
33:30 I think that death battle is the first time anyone's ever rendered Popeye the sailor man into a 3D animation.
Saw a comment that sum up Popeye:
1) Popeye is invincible if he eats he's spinach.
2) He ALWAYS gets he's spinach.
it’s the top comment
Not always true though. In "April fool" his spinach was stolen. He didn't get it so in order to win against bluto he had to out think him.
You know, I don't usually watch many UA-camrs that have a stylized, animated model to represent themselves, mainly because you can never really tell what they're facial expressions are like. Even those that have facial tracking are difficult to sort out because the digital translation can easily be programmed to exaggerate or even muffle the YT'ers expressions. So when I say that I like watching Nux, that's saying something. He can make up for a lot of those particular "sins" through exaggerated vocal inflection & the occasional instance of vocal fading as he stands up & walks away from the microphone.
All that being said, when Wiz & Boomstick were getting around to mathematically analyze 'Toon Force, of all things, I could *feel* his frustration & suffering *in spite of* the limitations on his avatar...And I enjoy every second of it! 😁
'Toon Force: As Roger Rabbit ("Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" movie) explained it to Detective Eddie Valiant, a 'toon can do *anything* as long as it's funny. That being said, if you can manage to demoralize a 'toon into losing all of its sense of humor, you win. In Popeye's case it's slightly different...He's not even trying to be funny, as he takes almost every situation with a measure of seriousness. The real difference is Spinach; there has been *nothing* capable of keeping Popeye separated from his spinach long enough to actually win.
Saitama may be easily capable of breaking the Laws of Physics but for Popeye, the Laws of Physics is nothing more than a mildly whispered suggestion.
All in all though, Nux was able to enjoy watching the fight regardless of its outcome...In essence, it means he can enjoy the fiction as the *entertainment* it's meant to be.
Seriously though animation this is probabbly my most favorite death battle fight ever. Added with a touch of humor and some sincerity at the end for saitama.
Still super hoping that Nux eventually watches Guts VS Dimitri. DIO VS Alucard and Goku Black VS Reverse Flash are also both awesome.
I’m just going to say this here. If Death Battle took into consideration how a character could grow stronger to match their opponent than literally every “Main Character” ever could never lose in Death Battle and “Main Character vs Main Character” would just be a forever statement of each one just growing stronger to match their opponent. The only way the find a winner is the use “Feats” and their “Abilities”, writing gimmicks or anything that’s not “In Universe” isn’t in consideration for Death Battle, where they take each character at the Most Recent maximum potential
I agree that’s like adding goku gimmick that he always surpasses his limits and beats the enemy so he can beat Superman it’s it’s not fair to the opponent if their story doesn’t work the same.
Popeye turned those native Americans into gold coins by the way. A reference to Indian casinos.
still hoping for guts vs dimitri
but anyhow, love this fight and although saitama's continuous growth in the manga makes this a lil outdated- it's still hard to argue saitama could withstand this level of toon force much less come close to killing someone with toon force.
I mean how it's explained he might be able to beat goku if he lets satime break his limits to the point he'd be a match for him like goku normally does
Guts vs Dimitri was even for the incarnations if they used Dimitri at his strongest who beat his grithith and opponent a whose arguable stronger
@@hunterculpepper1973 yeah no, max potential dimitri puts him on par with veronica who in fire emblem heroes is potentially stronger than the gods of time, dreams and DEATH ITSELF
Yes, he can be scaled to be on par with someone who beat death and time.
@@hunterculpepper1973 We haven't seen Saitama's full potential durability, is the issue. If we know he could survive the shit popeye and goku could do- his power would ALWAYS grow until he's too much for him. But we just don't know enough about his full durability to make that claim.
Thats kinda missing the point of Saitama.
We are never going to see Saitama's true limits. Because IF they even exist, they don't matter. Its kinda part of the issue of taking this as a 'meassurable vs immeasurable' fight. Unless the author states otherwise, it doesn't seem there is a limit to Saitama's power. And If people want to act like Toon Force is the end-all-be-all, they should still aknowledge the fact that there are ways to permanently kill off toons. Hell. Sometimes it happens in some cartoons themselves.
@@FranTheNerd
Nux, I want to say why I truly enjoy watching your reactions to these battles. 1: you are animated in your reactions. You give feedback, disagree, defend your point, discuss. It makes enough extra content to be worth watching. 2: You don't always agree with me or with Death Battle (not that I always agree with them either) *but* you still listen to their arguments and recognize where the fight is going. 3: you give credit where credit is due. Even when you hate the outcome or the techniques used in the fight, you show proper appreciation for a job well done in the animation and storytelling. 4: No matter how salty you may get, and no matter how much you might disagree with the outcome, you still appreciate when a feat you didn't know would prove you wrong and (sometimes) admit your stance might be the wrong one by the end. So many butthurt fanboys of *any* of these characters will die on a hill regardless of the data. You might disagree or pull up other feats, but I've also seen you acknowledge when you were wrong too. (Namely Goku v. Superman) I respect that. Please keep it up. I love Death Battle. I love the nonsense power scaling that serves no real purpose in real life. I also very much enjoy your takes on their videos and both your agreements and disagreements with them. Thank you.
I also wanted to add 5: you recognize your biases. Such as in this one. You are biased for Saitama, but you also recognize, acknowledge and admit that bias. It makes it far more enjoyable to watch.
And yes, toon force is stupid. It was never *meant* to be taken literally. But you kind of have to if you are going to try to make a "realistic" fight between a toon and anyone else. It results in some stupid calculation and in some ridiculous scaling, but the alternative is to either not use them, or just assume anything a toon does that is unrealistic is just not real and can't be counted. The former is less fun, as it means a whole category cannot be used, and the latter means characters like Popeye more or less get scaled down to tough street brawlers or military men. I prefer the way Death Battle does it, but I understand if you do not.
Yip yap
Okay *talking like death battle* (I mean you talking like them)
? I don't understand your comment. Are you saying I sound like them? If so...thank you?@@teenflash19
The guy Wimpy who constantly eats hamburgers could body Saitama no question this is overkill for Popeye
Wimpy?
LMAO "for a hamburger today I will gladly pay you back Tuesday"
@articusramos808 Yes that dude 👏 thanks
Overkill for Popeye doesn't really make any sense, since Saitama is the one getting demolished here.
One thing I loved is that I saw a comic that followed up the fight. popeye was sitting next to a chicken nesting, and then there was a cracking noise. Popeye said “Ah, you’re back.” As Saitama just sits in the nest with a chicken on his head.
Remember watching this before they had to cut the audio on both characters outro screens, and dub Saitama’s workout routine clip.
You win this round copyright
Now I really want to see nux react to the guy who power scaled king of the hill.
30:35 "Hmmm...i cant read that..."
I replayed that moment way too much 😆😆😆
The original fight ended with Saitama being one punched when he had that "FINALLY!" Moniloge with Popeye scratching his ass.
The last time they had a character that could "get stronger from fighting their opponent" the way you're describing how Saitama would do so in a fight was in Wonder Woman vs Rogue all the way back in season one of DeathBattle.
Everyone called it BS, everyone was right because that was not how that fight would have played out between those two characters, and i guarantee this fight would get the same response regardless of how accurate it might be for Saitama.
I swear to God the first time I read the title of the video I saw Saitama vs The Pope and it was hilarious to me 😂.
Saitama’s wish just made him a big fish in a small pond that’s it. It’s just SEMANTICS lol. If he was really above powerscaling then Garou would have never been able to match his power during the serious punch squared.
The fact that he can grow just proves that he can get one shotted by someone who is literally trillions of times stronger than him.
Mark My Words: Just wait until the GOD fight and you’ll see there’s SO
MUCH MORE to his existence than what you fanboys claim he is.
Saitama breaks the rules of reality, Popeye doesn't know what the rules are.
You should watch Guts vs Demitri next.
Season 2 hadn't aired at the time that this was uploaded and the garou fight wasn't even printed
This was technically made before we learned how Saitama’s power scaled, but even still, it’s freaking Popeye. Even if your growth is infinite and exponential, it can’t catch up to infinity itself. And Toon force is a tier of infinity.
Cosmic Garou is strong, sure, but Popeye is a whole other league of OP.
That is… until Saitama fights god. We’ll see then just how truly strong Saitama really is.
Unfortunately, the punching in the past Saitama did was very circumstantial. For one, while Saitama did learn how to punch back in time, he eventually forgot how to do that later since his past self caught up with his present, forcibly rewriting his memories of the events that took place against Cosmic Garou.
Man called my only ever original anime theory and called it a got take I almost cried
So I guess literally every single death battle is a one sided massacre according to Nux huh
Buuhan literally created an “Outside Space” ball that was gonna become the size of the entire universe if Vegito hadn’t of punched him. Compare that to Serious Punch Squared.
There is another really good death battle that is very early seasons that is remarkably close. Sam Fisher vs Solid Snake. That one is still one of their best, and its early, early deathbatle.
And I have good news for you Nux, even by how they scale things, there are things that beat toon force. Not many things, but there are things that beat toon force.
And when Boomstick makes the joke about 'big vegetable', he wasn't aware that was actually true at the time and he was shocked in the commentary that his joke was actually true.
Nux: That's toon force you can't take it seriously....
Also Nux: Hes literally the one punch man, he's going to surpass you...
Dont get why people didnt like this one, Popeye wins like he should, this was before the garou fight but it doesnt matter, Popeye is him and absolutely DECIMATES Saitama. I love opm, ive probably watched it like 10 times over but Popeye is built different. Saitama doing these super powerful attacks isnt anything to Popeye surviving the writer turning off everything and he is fine, Saitama is not killing him
These are the same people who were convinced that Saitama could kill *Goku* after the Garou fight, the fight that gave him a canon Power Level and rate of growth. The bar is set pretty low.
@@trutyatces8699 also the arc that shows he has infinite potential
I have heard a few reasons, some of which I can respect.
For one, there is the matter of 'narrative powers'. Saitama has the narrative power of always winning, because that is rather the point of his satire. This is why I for one felt that putting him in a Death Battle at all was as pointless as doing so for Superman. Popeye's narrative powers are not as focused in that direction. This is a very iffy point though, and not where my reservations lie.
The more relevant point is that just saying 'easy win because one show takes more creative liberties in displaying the power' is boring and a bad explanation, which is a complaint that can be levelled at a few Death Battles, and one I think the creators are very aware of - they point it out themselves in the Mask vs Deadpool one, that just grabbing something that uses more cartoony visual metaphors to beat something that only has more 'conventional' backing is pointless from the start. It ties into the argument over whether you can really have a Death Battle without convincing stakes - no-one wants to see Woody from Toy Story fight Quick Draw McGraw, since the former is a tiny felt toy intended to struggle and overcome insane odds, and the latter is a fun little immortal cartoon sheriff-horse. If you establish one side as utterly insurmountable simply because of the show's creative medium, then you should not make it a Death Battle in the first place, as that just turns into bashing the non-toon character for no reason - once again, as they admit in the Deadpool versus Mask video, quoted below:
Boomstick: "Wiz, stop. None of that matters. This is stupid. We pit Deadpool against a cartoon god. Like you said, the Mask could just say "no" to damage. Deadpool couldn't even really hurt him! This whole thing was a blowout, a... total stomp."
@Emmanuel-ig5iy Bro, Infinite is high universal, so at best Saitama is high universal and that's literal wank, Saitama has shown multi solar feats at best, so stop glazing.
@billybob4532 plus if im not wrong, he only had it in that fight specifically
For anyone wondering, the clip where Popeye punches the Native Americans ends with then turning into piles of Buffalo nickles, which have a picture of a native in full headdress on them.
Well now I want to see Nux check out the Sauron Vs. The Lich King Death Battle, if he hasn’t already checked it out on his free time already.
I don’t know how well he might know about either The Lord of the Rings mythos and World of Warcraft mythos, but it is an awesome fight.
6:59 he actually punched so hard that not only did he destroy the stars but he destroyed the light molecules (if he didn't destroy the light molecules then the Stars would still be visible for a couple of millions years)
I'm unreasonably upset at your usage of of the phrase "light molecules"
Ill admit i knew who was going to win the moment it was announced but i was wrong about thinking this battle would be a waste of time. It was one of the best ones imo.
Nux going through the entire Saitama's feats and calculation about his stuff: ye lmao its tru, BUT Y NO GAROU FIGHT?
Nux going Through Popeye's feats and calculation about his stuff:
*DEMONIC SCREETCH*
Even if they took Saitama’s most recent feats, it would have been far, far from enough to deal with Popeye
far more than enough to obliterate popeye*
@@Gremlin969 keep dreaming💀
@@Gremlin969Cope and Seethe
@@King_Ice01not even close, popeye can just transmutate saitama by punching him once, has saitama ever shown a resistance to that?
I grew up watching some popeye cartoons because my parents had VHS tapes of him and I really loved the character and the humor in the episodes, so seeing him go against Saitama was such a fantastic feeling, and the way they paid homage to Popeye in the animation was literally perfect. The times when popeye talks to himself very quickly, perfect, the lingo and verbiage he used in the fight, perfect and the humor was also perfect. that frame of saitama and popeye clashing for the first time at 31:33 im pretty sure popeyes pose is a reference to something but I cant find it. I remember when i first saw it i thought "Oh my gosh they made a reference to that!" and now I cant remember or find it, i thought it was popeye clashing with thanos.
I also wanted to say i loved when Popeye said "hm I cant read that" taking about Saitamas death punch was hilarious and then later in 3D saitama did the same death punch and they gave Popeye the kanji for spinach! This fight to me was a perfect fight with the choreography is the correct spelling of the word and humor.
If it makes you feel any better, Saitama is probably the only one that can even somewhat compete against anyone that has Toon Force. I love both of these characters so I didn't mind either way who wins.
I knew Nux wasn't going to like the verdict, but at least he appreciated the fight itself....holy shit the animators went OFF for this one.
Also they have to take feats literally, because its supposed to be an objective match, and fears are the only objective thing you have to judge. Its not about the intrinsic spirit in which the character is written. I do believe Saitama needs a rematch, but finding an opponent worth the rematch is always the issue. I think they got this on as right as i could be, but i was hoping it would be more like the chuck norris vs segata sanshiro fight. Then again, chuck norris vs saitama would be the natural matchup.
...They ARE keeping the spirit in which a character is written if they use Toon Force at all. Your argument is self-defeating.
@@Skyinitus No it isn't... the whole point of popeye's toon force is just... he's got a way to ignore anything and everything, because he eats his spinach
And I am saying that you cannot genuinely consider Toon Force without considering the context of the story. AKA that its a catroon thats based on Toon Force Logic.
IF you beleive that Toon Force is a legitimate power-scaling thing to consider, then you have to accept that you are taking the nature of the medium it was created in, into account.
If you take literally a medium that was never meant to be, then you have to give that same respect to whatever you're putting it up against.
You cannot separate Toon Force from the medium that it was used within. It'd be like dropping a character that has some innate magic in a medieval world where magic doesn't exist. If you take the context f the magician having magic given their story, but ignore the fact there *is* no magic in the other? That's not really a genuine comparison.
@@gorgeousfreeman1318
I love watching Saitama fanatics go mad because someone dares to say that there's someone who can defeat this bald dude
If we want a single feat from the recent chapter of OPM: During his fight with Garou, HE RIPPED SATURNS ATMOSPHERE OFF BY JUMPING. How the fuck does that even happen?!?
AND he sneezed and destroyed Jupiter. And he was fighting Garou ONE-HANDED cuz the other was holding onto Genos's core.
Unfortunately this doesn’t really help Saitama. At all.
The best feat in the whole OPM verse is multi solar, and is at best wanked to galaxy level, the feat they showed in the video where we survived reality turning off is still way better.
Death Battle is what happens when science forgets about philosophy
I want to see how a Saitama VS Saitama fight would go
Nux, this video came out BEFORE the Garou fight