9 F1 drivers who accidentally influenced a championship-decider
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- F1 championship deciders are always pitched as head-to-head contests between the contenders, but they still take place with all the other drivers still in the same race. That means from time-to-time an unexpected interloper ends up playing a role in how (and when) a title is decided. In this video we look at nine times a driver unintentionally played such a role, from those that ultimately didn't change the end result, to those that very much did.
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Fun fact: Timo Glock was passed by Hamilton on the final corner of Interlagos, but ended up finishing 6 seconds behind him. He was struggling that hard.
Slicks on wet is dam hard. If it was a bike in the same conditions he would have been off and that would have decided the championship
@@ironskyheart7749 tell that to Binder 😂😂
@@Fico_24 no, that was very little and he lost tonnes of time per lap. More then glock.
Besides, the rain had just started. So yes, I know about binder
@@ironskyheart7749 Binder was definitely lucky enough to stay out on that condition, or maybe he had some fresh rubbers since his lap time before the penultimate ones was somewhat impressive.
@@Fico_24 and Norris
It’s 20 competitors all competing with each other. Of course they influence the outcome. Ok the Latifi one is “accidental”, but for example Glock is trying to get the best result he can, he’s intentionally trying to beat Hamilton. Petrov is trying to get the best result he can, intentionally trying to beat Alonso. Whether that influences the world championship is not “accidental” or premeditated. That’s literally how the sport works, there’s more than 2 guys out there
Hi LyTheFairy. 🙏 Got any 2022 resolutions yet?
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Well put mate
Yeah but Petrov was a useless driver behind the wheel, you'd like to think he'd take initiative and move out of the way of any title contenders.
petrov should never interfere the title battle that year he must have known both alonso and webber are in title fight. in the end he causes himself own problem by getting unnecessary hate from the fans
That Latifi post wasn’t him apologizing at all. And I don’t think he needs to. He was addressing all the hate he got after that race. Here’s a quote from that post that I think sums it up well “Reflecting on what happened during the race, there was only one group I needed to apologize to for the DNF: my team. I did that right afterwards. Everything else was out of my control.
- Nicholas Goatifi 🐐
Could look at it as he has no fans so no need to apologise to them.
There’s many ways you can interpret something, don’t rb fans teach you that!
@@mdcclxxviepluribusunum1066 that's 😬 cringe
@@mdcclxxviepluribusunum1066 There are quite a few people who cheer him on, both ironically and unironically as the "Goatifi". There's more to F1 than just Hammy and Max fans throwing fits at each other.
@@mdcclxxviepluribusunum1066 I'm a Latifi fan, but admittedly it's because I'm from Toronto.
I don't think that attitude is particularly admirable. He doesn't care that he cost a far better driver his 8th championship because he failed to keep the car on the road after losing a battle with a haas. Well maybe he should and maybe pay drivers should get out. Him, Stroll and Mazepin are all wasting seats.
This is just the first time where King Latifi comes first in a list, wait for it 🐐
GOAT
The toxicity he received from hamilton fans/max haters was off the charts tho. Unacceptable
@@dar8555 Glock : First time?
@@dar8555 Well I know I was hoping Lewis won but wouldn't even think of blaming Latifi... I just think it’s a sad end for Willams in the year Frank Williams passed away.
@@dar8555 I never once blamed Latifi, maybe disappointed at most which then changed to Masi as the person who ruined the Last Race and is know a Tainted title!!!
9:30 - The odd thing about 2010: At the end of Abu Dhabi was the ONLY time Vettel led the points championship during that season. The only time it mattered.
@Patrick Bucher in 2017 it was more Ferrari's fault, in 2018 it was 50 Vettel / 50 Ferrari.
Just like Hunt in 1976.
I think Glock's case should be rated higher than Petrov's, as Alonso would need to pass not only Petrov, but Rosberg as well to became World Champion that year.
Yeah. Ferrari had one of the slowest top speeds on the day if I remember correctly, and it was literally impossible to overtake on that circuit that day. Even Hamilton in the quicker McLaren was stuck behind Kubica.
I think they planned to undercut Rosberg, so if it weren't for Petrov, then Alonso would have passed Rosberg in the pitstops.
@@harrywang6792 no, Rosberg pitted under SC in the very beginning of the race, same for Petrov. And back in those days 1 stop was enough.
@@HAWGGY85 yes. Petrov should be noted.
@@dananilham6833 hi Danan. 🙏
I hold no ill will towards Latifi as Hamilton fan, why would I? There was no way to know that Masi would have brought in the SC early, or that Max would swap to new tyres but not Hamilton though you could make that assumption. If anything wouldn't Williams be more inclined to help Mercedes over Red Bull?
Exactly its so crazy how people genuinely are angry at latifi
I haven’t seen it but there seem to be a lot of super fans that are mad at Latifi really isn’t on.
Agree 100% especially with the last sentence. Williams is basically a Mercedes junior team. I mean Rosberg, Bottas and Russell all drove for Williams before joining Mercedes.
@@tommythetreat000 so Williams should sign de vries lol, not albon that basically RB junior driver and have very close relationship with rb family
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I hope Glock gets in touch with Latifi & offers some advice on how to deal with the situation he currently finds himself in. It would be immensely helpful.
I don’t think anybody has issues with him, Latifi is more of a Mercedes Driver as he has a Merc engine. Can’t see why anyone would suspect him of helping Red Bull.
@@chipped Latifi already had to "apologize" publicly for crashing and said that even death threats have been sent to him via social media. Unfortunately not everyone who follows F1 is capable of reasoning
@@chipped I guess you haven't seen any of the conspiracies over him on social media. Some are saying that it was equal to Piquet's Singapore crash when they're not even analysing the telemetry - and much probably couldn't even understand it if they had seen it.
Either way, it's nonsense. As you have pointed out, Williams have a close relationship with Mercedes so it doesn't make any sense to think about Red Bull approaching Latifi to do it, especially when they have their own B team.
There is a solution. Delete ( or disable for several months) all of your social media accounts and stay off social media. But in practicality, that may not be possible due to sponsor requirements and team expectations that a driver be active on social media, thus promoting the "brand" and the "team". It is part of the curse of being in the limelight.
@@williamford9564 it is possible if you want to... Vettel has no social media
I'm a Lewis fan, and I gladly say that the amount of anger some people have directed at Latifi is absolutely absurd. He's a race car driver who was racing another driver, and he made a mistake. These things happen, and what took place at the front of the grid was not his fault. Anger should be directed (politely) at race control and the FIA, not Latifi.
There shouldn't be any anger towards anyone!! It's car racing a sport, grow the fk up and move on
@@mbal4052 it is sport, injustices don’t get forgotten. There are still bad feelings from England fans about a hand ball from the 86 World Cup. I don’t care who was in what position the way Michael dealt with that safety car was wrong in at least 2 ways.
No Mickie this is so not right :P
As a non-fan of lewis hamilton, for me it is crystal clear that he was robbed the 21 title. Actually Masi should be mentionned in this video instead of Latifi.
Hamilton: I got robbed.
Alonso: oh really? How many times?
Alonso wasn't robbed. His fault for not being able to pass an inferior Renault.
@@shakey4581 oh yes inferior Renault that was faster on straight line
@@shakey4581 do you know how dog the ferrari was that year?
@@shakey4581 He was robbed 2007 in Hungary (where isn't so easy to overtake) with start grid penalty (from pole), because of some team stuff (it seemed the team wanted to put reigning champion to #2 driver to make a sensation with Lewis, because Lewis was their player, and Nando just joined, and he was not too pleased about it). I still think that was most absurd penalty in history of the sport, because it should be resolved within the team, but the team probably pushed FIA to give him penalty (I have no other explanation because I really hope it isn't another option I have in mind that FIA wanted to help Lewis xD). At the end, he finished 1 point short to Raikkonen, along Lewis.
@@podlumpy3838 Even after 15 years you couldn't bother to at least watch a video about it or read about it. You wrote absolute BS. Alonso blocked Hamilton in the box, deliberately postponing leaving the box even though he was cleared to, while Hamilton was waiting right behind on the spot. That way, since the clock was running out, he denied Hamilton the chance to set a new lap time. Granted, Hamilton refused to let Alonso pass while they were both on the track earlier. The difference between those 2 is that Hamilton refusing to let Alonso past is up to the team to sanction, but Alonso blocking Hamilton in the pit is against the rules, hence the deserved penalty. Calling that a robery is absolute BS, especially having in mind it was in qualifying.
Latifi did not apologize, he spoke out against cyber bullying while saying that what happened was not under his control and he's a racer like any other driver on the grid who would fight for any position on the grid! Please state the facts right.
he did apologise in a tv interview i think
@@terminator672 He has always said that it wasn't his intention, that has been equated to an apology by the media. Never has he said that he felt sorry for what happened and to be honest he shouldn't.
@@nandeesh18 he said that he didn't intend to instigate anything and he shouldn't have to jsutify is actions.
@@terminator672 yup, I don't feel that was an apology to be honest!
@@nandeesh18 indirect apology i'd say
Surprised you didn’t include Fisichella hitting Michael in 2006. Yes, it’s likely Alonso would have still finished high enough to win the title but that ‘inadvertent’ hit from Alonso’s teammate certainly secured both titles for Renault…
Fair enough but Schumacher's engine failure at Suzuka the race before still realistically handed the title to Alonso already. Only real impact was the constructors title, which Ferrari lost by only 5 points to Renault.
@@alexpeak16 You've just argued in favour of both of their points.
@@unthenner5519 Yeah that's true but I thought they were discussing what affected the drivers title, I only mentioned the constructors as an added bonus.
Probably the fact that he was Alonso's teammate takes away the "accidentally" factor that they used to put together this video
@@alexpeak16 yes. If M.Schumacher not got that engine failure, he might still got himself in contention for his 8th WDC.
The people giving Latifi shit for what happened are the lowest common denominator of humanity. They aren't fans of the sport. They just want an excuse for violence and seething. Its sad that "social" media gives everyone, including these vile & toxic people, a platform to lash out about things they have no right to talk about.
Latifi did nothing wrong and anyone who says otherwise is delusional and needs serious help.
This tells us a lot about how democracy is a flawed system of government
I don’t blame latifi at all … the blame goes to masi for not following the rules of safety cars to add drama to the sport . I get it you can gain some fans by creating drama , sucks for Lewis because he was screwed by the organization he has grown so much over the years
@@gigadonis8684 What does democracy have to do with this? This isnt politics, its people being toxic fans
@@Noreceipts400 it's just a joke
@@JMPZOFACEPROJECT The blame goes squarely on Mercedes. They chose not to pit.
All teams going in to the race knew it was going to finish under green racing conditions. It's very unfortunate that it happened this way, but it was a repeat of the French GP, they were just beaten on strategy.
Ooh this was a banger idea for a video!
lol
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IS THAT GLOCK still lives fresh in my head. What an iconic line.
*Massa loses title to Hamilton* Brundle: YES
Even Maki Nishikino also screamed "ITS THAT GLOCK". Umi Sonoda, Eli Ayase, Honoka Kousaka, and Tsubasa Kira also.
The God payed back the courtasey with Latifi this year
@@purwantiallan5089 uhhh why are you going love live mode
@@michaeldavid1566 because i am the longtime lovelive fan. And dont forget, all LoveLive characters also love F1 bro.
there are other instances from earlier in the season when the title was impacted by another driver.
2008 - Nelson Piquet Jr. and Renault's crashgate scandal, before that Massa was leading the race and Lewis was in P2, and after the crash Massa had a disaster pit-stop and that ended up costing him the title.
2012 - Maldonado's win, if Fernando Alonso had managed to repass Maldonado and win his home GP, he would've snatched the title from Sebastian Vettel, but as Pastor won the race, Alonso finished 3 points behind.
Grosjean more than Maldonado
In 2012 it's more like Fernando got taken out 2 times in Spa and Suzuka by both Lotus drivers.
The sad part is that the pitstop fuckup would just strictly not have happened without that. Since Ferrari was forced to double stack, they had to manually trigger the release light which is what causes the premature release.
Bitter dumb tim😭😭😭
Lots played into Massa losing the title in 08, let’s forget the 47 times he spun at Silverstone that year.
Grosjean taking out Alonso in Spa and Suzuka 2012 was a championship-decider
Suzuka wasn't grosjean's fault. Grosjean ran into Webber on the inside while Alonso had a problem with his left rear tyre on the outside.
@@mehmetcetin9570 It wasn't Grosjean's fault because that was Kimi
@@mehmetcetin9570 You need to rewatch that then 😂
@@allabouthewaves4354 with that i meant that grosjean didn't take out alonso in suzuka but he did take out Webber so grosjean wasn't at fault for alonso's dnf but he was at fault for taking out webber
Real interference only happens, when you crash into someone intentionally or waive someone by or you do nothing (like 2016, when Vettel didn't attaked Rosberg). Only when you drive like always, like the first race of the season, it's no interference. I find it sad a lot of "Fans" don't unterstand that und are saying Latifi (or Glock or whoever) did those things on purpose.
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@@krioni86sa you ok there?
To be fair, in 2016 Hamilton wasn't driving Abu Dhabi like he did earlier in the season, he was deliberately holding Nico up to have others attack, therefore Hamilton was running interference on his own team mate trying to manipulate the results his way. Even when the team told him to speed up and drive normal.
Vettel just knew what he was doing, so decided to stay out of the fight he could not win and let Lewis and Nico battle it out.
Glock was most likely always going to be overtaken, so I do in large part agree with you. All I'd say on Glock is that he didn't even try to block or defend against Lewis once.
I think if he had made a defensive move and still been overtaken, then no one would cast doubt on him.
Latifi, well, that was just an unfortunate mess, you're quite right.
What is ironic with Latifi is that his crash at Sakhir 2020 led to the rush of pit stops in which Mercedes made errors and it cost the team a 1, 2 finish and George his first race win.
Now his mess here contributed to Mercedes making a strategic error and losing the World Drivers Championship (WDC).
All that while he drives a car powered by Mercedes 😂
I feel for Latifi, because he didn't mean it and afterall it was the Mercedes team not pitting Lewis which cost them the title.
@@milkshakemuncher glock is the most misunderstood. He didn’t cost Massa the title, if anything he nearly delivered to it. Glock made up positions went he decided to stay out on his dry tyres.
@@milkshakemuncher wasnt Aitken the one who crashed in Sakhir, which caused the chaos with Mercedes? Or did Latifi have a crash I dont remember anymore?
Edit: Its still funny because then it would be exactly the car Russell was driving regularly costing him the win.
And about Glock: I think its reasonable that he didnt defend at all in this scenario. In the onboard you can see quite good that he was very focused on just keeping the car on track and then trying to defend against cars with way more grip isnt worth it at all. And if he lost control and crashed into Hamilton, it would have been way worse.
Its just great that nobody that isnt absolutely crazy thinks he did it on purpose anymore and that even the Brazilian fans like him now, chanting his name and cheering at him when he was at the Brazilian GP for German TV. He even had a cool conversation with Massa that was quite interesting with both reflecting on what happened for what it seemed the first time they did that properly.
What about Bandini running into the back of Graham Hill in Mexico, the 1964 title decider? It spun Hill, who up to that point was going to take the title, out to the back of the field and as a result Bandini's team mate, Surtees, won the title instead.
that's a perfect shoutout but we have to consider that most content creators on youtube are not really informed about grand prix racing before around 1990.
Exactlyyy! It's like I'm bombarded with Schumi era stats... Was F1 non existent before schumi debut?
Good old Lorenzo!
@@isuckatthisgame you are quite right, they're mostly newcomers, but before 1990? more like before 2010 or 2014 hybrid era 😂
I was about to comment this. Bandini put Hill out of contention and when Clark's engine expired with just two laps to go, let Surtees go through to claim 2nd and win the Championship. Perhaps they didn't count it since Surtees and Bandini were teammates?
The only one I disagree with is Petrov, because he was fighting for a position. The one who accidentally influenced in that race was the pit wall of Ferrari as you said. Great video
Based on a wide variety of variables in every race, every driver has influenced the Championship.
Really like these 'historical' style of videos you do, Glen.
I'm a massive Alonso fan and got into F1 right in the time of his WDCs, and I'd love to see him get that 3rd one in 2010. But it's stunning to me how many people give Petrov the shits; it was not Petrov's responsibility "not to interfere" with the championship, his only responsibility is give the team the maximum amount of points, which he did thar day. It was Alonso's job to get pass him, and he didn't, so he didn't win the championship. You can say he deserved it all you want, but championships are won, not deserved.
Amen👑👑
So nice to see level headed fans giving credit where it's due. Now a days F1 community is so toxic , preying on the weakness of drivers only and not celebrating their success. Kudos to you man
You're exactly right. That's why I disagree so much with David Coulthard, who said, that he would immediately have gotten out of the way in Jerez '97, if he knew that would make Villeneuve champion. That's an unsporting attitude.
Watching Petrov hold up Alonso live was aggrivating, but props to him for defending against a true legend.
So how did Glock "accidentally" influence the championship? Oh right, he didn't. He GAINED places by not pitting and helped himself.
by slowing on the last lap... he was so close to home massa crossed the line think it might be only time a driver lost the title after he'd already won the race etc
@@gigsawsoljier1408 LOL Are you dumb? You are if you believe that Glock slowed down. Glock didn't have any grip, he was driving the fastest that he could in those circumstances.
He did accidentally help decide the championship because if you ever watch videos of glocks last lap that day, you will see he was struggling because he gambled by staying out on slicks and could barely control his car without going off the track making it to where Vettel and Hamilton were able to pass him
I think that 2010 should be number 1 due to the fact that Petrov defended for as many laps as he did and against not 1, but 2 title contenders. Add to that is the fact that this year, the drivers could not really do anything but in 2010, it was down to Fernando not finding a passing opportunity
2010 was a great year, until the last race, it was still a 5 way title fight, because Jenson was in it too, and for Vettel, it was the only time that he needed to be at the top of the board, a mad year.
Great content, love reliving some of these iconic moments!! Have a great Christmas everyone, looking forward to seeing what the news regs have to offer!
As Alonso fan back in 2010 I was not happy with Petrov at the time 😂
Hi bro. Got any 2022 resolutions yet?
Same but I got over it pretty quickly as Petrov was a real rocketship in the race
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Same
"IS THAT GLOCK?!" still a legendary quote that ringed on my mind.
I would include Alan Jones, 1981. Alan Jones, 1980 World Champion was mathematically eliminated from title contention at the penultimate round of 1981 in Canada. The following race, in the Car Park of Caesar's Palace, Las Vegas, staged the Finale. It went down to a winner takes all match between the two protagonists left, Carlos Reutemann and Nelson Piquet. Reutemann had led for most of the year, but Piquet had closed the gap, being only one point behind the Williams driver from Argentina. Reutemann took pole ahead for the Finale and Piquet was down the field. Jones inadvertently became a spoiler for his own team mate. He got the jump on Reutemann right at the start and Reutemann dropped to 4th by turn 1 on lap 1. Jones went on to take a dominant final win of his career, but further back, in 5th and 6th, Reutemann seemed to be doing enough, just, to do what he needed to win the title. However, once Piquet got past, that was it. Reutemann dropped like a stone, even getting lapped by Jones towards the end and finishing a poor 7th, out of the points and 5th place for Piquet was enough to give him the title by 1 point
You do realize Reutemann hit gearbox trouble that race right? Still I remember Jones saying he was not gonna help his teammate in that race....probably that's why so few remember him fondly...guy could be a total a**hole ^^
@@mafiousbj playing Devil's Advocate, Jones would probably say it was revenge for Brazil, where Reutemann ignored direct orders to beat Jones to the win
@@SiVlog1989 never heard of Williams mismanaging the team internally...must be a dream ^^ (of course he did, and most of his drivers didn't like him much as a result since he always put the car first)
@@mafiousbj there was another situation where Williams mismanaged their drivers. In 1986, in a parallel to McLaren in 2007 with Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton, Nelson Piquet was hired to be the team's lead driver, but nobody told Nigel Mansell, so when the Isle of Man driver outperformed the then double world champion, they started to look over the their own shoulders at each other, rather than their competition, reigning World Champion Alain Prost. The result was, although Williams won the Constructors Championship, the drivers title slipped from both their grasps in the Finale of Adelaide
@@SiVlog1989 I know, I was being sarcastic. Williams was famous for mismanaging drivers and also team staff...they lost Adrian Newby because they wouldn't give him a higher position even when he was a big part of the winning cars of the early 90's
Glock and Hamilton didn't like each other at all. After an incident earlier in the year, Glock had stated that he'd make Hamilton's life difficult if they met on track again.
I think it was a collision in Monza
The fact that Latifi got harassed by fanbois just show how toxic certain fans can be in following their idol. You know what they say, *"These people are such sore losers!"*
Legendary quote from Alex 👍👍👍
Agree !! LH fan!!
Actually that was the first, I dont know how it was on twitter but insta was crazy, later on fans were lashing out an sending hateful messages an blowing up the dms to a actor named micheal massini or something he nearly looked like micheal massi but was. Funniest thing I saw. As a Hamilton fan it was crazy but most of my hate was towards massi not Latifi.
Alonso would have breezed past petrov so easily with drs
Unsure that Renault was so Low on downforce & the track & tyres were hard for overtaking
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thats way drs need to be banned from the top tier of racing F1 drivers need to be abel to pass without drs.
thats why we need drs otherwise the title would be decided by pit strategy only which is unfair for drivers
@@amnzash9292
a good driver can overtake witout DRS.
I wasn't happy with the result of 08, but it wasn't Glock's fault. If Glock had pitted he wouldn't have been out ahead of Hamilton so if he pitted or not then Hamilton would've still won.
"Nobody wanted to get involved", except the sauber driver who wanted to help Schumacher out 🤣
You guys are crushing it! Another great video.
Ferrari screwed Alonso in 2012 with that strategy call.
Do you mean 2010 Abu Dhabi getting stuck behind Petrov?
Both were bad strategic decisions, but Trust in the 🅱️lan, or El Plan, whatever is gonna happen first.
But poor Latifi receiving death threats isn't on not in any why shape or form
Marc Gené in the 1999 European Grand Prix should have got a mention.
"Gené's performance, in finishing 6th ahead of championship contender Irvine, is considered by many as the deciding factor in the Drivers' Championship, for it is often believed that had Irvine passed Gené for sixth, he would have had the extra point to win the title (with Schumacher letting Irvine pass him during the race in Japan)."
It SUCKS that Latifi has had to endure the hate and threats he's gotten - while it sucks that he cost Lewis the title it was NOT intentional and he's right, the only people he owed an apology was his team.
And ONLY ham fans owe him an apology!!
@@joineralbert2493
The Hateful ones!! I've never had any hate for Latifi, a definite loathing of Masi!!
Love how so many of these involved either:
- Schumacher
- Ferrari
- A Williams
Obviously not all but just ironically how many of them involved ANY of those 3.
Also, the morons who STILL think Glock gifted Hamilton a championship are just as big idiots as the ones who blame Latifi for the Yellow (Completely ignoring the part where he was run offline and suddenly had less then grippy tires). THESE are the sort of fans that make Sports unbearable to watch at times.
People who sent latifi death threats doesn't deserve to be in the f1 community
Sometimes being a sports fan makes me ashamed because of these people smh
Latifi delivering an UNO DEATH CARD to Hamilton.
Glock : First time?
Hamilton fans so TOXIC 🤢🤮
@@LSchelvin71 it's not hamilton fans it's just punks who are there to enjoy that kinda stuff in a very bad way. like punks who are breaking everything in manifestations. they're not part of the manifestations. btw Max's fans aren't better than Hamilton's. FACT.
Looking at this you realise Schumacher's victories weren't all that easy as they're made out to be. With the FIA changing regs twice in four years to target a single team- Ferrari, Schumacher's recoveries, lunges, insane quali laps, race pace etc are up there with Senna, Mansell, Prost etc. Looking at replays of those race weekends today, one realises just how difficult those Ferraris were.
You can even say it was Mick Schumacher that helped keep his dad's record 7 championships.
well, Bottas played a role bowling 2 RBs out. that could've influenced more for WCC as well. Latifi may influenced for 5 points. Bottas did 18 at least.
Hi Madhawa. How are you today?
@@purwantiallan5089 tf
@@firebolt8004 what? I didnt say anything yet.
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@@firebolt8004 lol
How about Lorenzo Bandini (Ferrari) at the season finale 1964 Mexican Grand Prix, running into the back of Graham Hill's BRM and damaging it, allowing John Surtees to take the title? Hill was leading the championship up to that point. Even though he was Surtees's teammate, I don't think he intentionally ran into the back of Hill's car? As the story goes, for Christmas, Hill sent Bandini a book on learning how to drive!
What makes you think the people running this page know anything about what happened 58 years ago? They probably don't even know who John Surtees was.
@@williamford9564 You'd have hoped Edd Straw would have contributed to this!
@@LightsOutLow Where did you learn these details? I found this to be super obscure for me and I’d like to know where I can learn more.
@@zo3626 hi there, been following F1 since the 90s - when i was young i had lots of time on my hands so read all motorsport magazines, journals, annuals and biographies cover to cover. Lots of these random obscure tidbits permanently etched in my mind. Blame Autosport, Motorsport, F1 Racing, F1 Official Magazine, Autocar, Alan Henry articles, Gerald Donaldson and Christopher Hilton books, the list was endless!
It’s interesting that some channels continually say broke the rules blah blah blah but it’s technically they used another rule to OVERrule the rule.
At best it comes off as slightly incorrect at worst there’s some clear opinions of who “should’ve” won the ship
Kobayashi once said: "I know that Jensen might be mad at me because he was fighting for the championship, but you know, I was also fighting for my position F1"
Just 2 things 'wrong' with the 2021 Max vs Lewis assessment:
- The safety car can be pulled in whenever the FIA pleases. Seeing as this was the final race of the season, Masi didnt want to end this with a safety car finish. Which is understandable, as many race disciplines dont do this for the crowd. Sure it was controversial, but within the(ir own) rules.
- Latifi was threatened by Lewis fans.
lol you can hear the seething in his voice at 10:27
lewis wasn't such a sitting duck tho. he had the engine power which no doubt was at 100% being it was the last lap. other drivers had kept him behind in similar situations too.... i'd say the engine/tire imbalance made it a good fight plus lewis kept the lead by cutting corner lap 1... i don't see it as any bias on drivers but more that massi saw a big show down final lap potential. both teams radiod him......
It can be pulled but it cant be pulled when they unlap cars at the same time, normally it's supposed to take the extra lap arround the track which they didnt have an same goes for the lapped cars they were supposed to the quene. The saftey car being pulled like that was a huge redflag. By rule the race shouldve ended under saftey, fans can cry an boo but blame massi for not thinking fast. I mean in jeddah that year he made decisions real quick when ever someone crashed but in Abu Dhabi his brain functioned like windows 5 software.
What wouldve been mich better that everyone wouldve agreed with is if massi put out a redflag which gives Marshall's so much time to clean up Latifis fuck up an gives us fans 4 race laps. All drivers on fresh softs lewis would still win by nearly 4.5 sec. Apparently massi didnt want that to happen.
@@gigsawsoljier1408 well after lewis cut that corner he was instructed to give up the time he gained an did it in sector 3. Honestly as a Hamilton fan I'm with you on lap 1 but it's pointless to argue over that since lewis wouldve still breezed pass max 5 or 6 laps give take. Actually on that last lap lewis was sitting ducts he has the engine power that merc was a missile on the straight but max with his fresh tires that's a huge disadvantage over lewis. Considering that max had the fastest compound an were fresh meaning he can do things lewis can. Lewis had hards that were over 30 laps old an it's the slow one. With tires like that going into turn 4 that's absolutely nothing lewis can do to take that corner correctly what ever scenario an way it was gonna be wrong, or his front tires wouldve understeered, or no madder what max was always gonna get a good exit an wouldve picked up Lewis's toe an wouldve passed him much earlier then what he did on lap 1. Besides max was weaving to make sure Lewis's toe wasnt successful. Lewis lost that title the moment massi got rid or both the lapped cars an the safte car at the same time. Lewis had 3 ways he couldve won the title after the crash an that was 1 lap with lapped cars, he wins by just nearly 5 tenths, redflag 4 laps 4.5 sec an last finish under saftey car.
It does feel unfair that Latifi has been vilified so much for mess in Abu Dhabi when it was Michael Masi's decisions afterwards that decided the title.
Well i dont think so. They had such a little tine do decide, they rushed it and just said lapped cars cant overtake. But if they let the lapped cars overtake the first time, then this catastrophic end wouldnt be "Masi won the title" it was poor decisions. But if they dont let the lapped cars unlap, everyone would say that Masi won the title for Hamilton. So its a 50 50
It was actually toto, not letting hamilton pit for new tyres was the biggest gamble all season. And they got it wrong.
@@timhayes3336 Then Max would of overtook Hamilton in the pits and if the rules were followed and Masi kept to the book the race would of ended on safety car with Max as Champion. For gods sake Mercedes pit strategy did not screw up Lewis's title.. come on man. That race was Lewis's to win. The only reason he lost was the crash and Masi
@@dmasters1807 And the fact he was only in the title hunt after having an illegal car at one of the races, with a well timed engine swap so he still managed to win a race he should not have even been in. Add to that bottas has been blocking for him all season, and they have had all the luck in any other circumstance that could have gone either way. HE LOST!!! Get over it.
@@timhayes3336 he was disqualified for that wing then came back to win after sprint and race with a legal car so what is your point there? Max has had a faster car most of the season and luck... wow blaming it on luck. He lost an entire championship through bad luck. Max won and you're the one complaining first. I don't care that Max one. I care about a sport that was clearly manipulated for drama by Masi. If it was the other way around and Hamilton won I would still be extremely disapointed. No one should win a championship like that
Man it just has to be said what an amazing teammate and sportsman Prost was to be that happy for his teammate who he had just narrowly lost to.
"Fragile tires..." haha nice one, that caught me laughing...
Absolutely disgusted at the community for how they've treated Latifi
Ham fans .....
@@joineralbert2493
I'm a Lewis fan and I'm absolutely disgusted!!
for #1 maybe it's Mazepin's absence that caused the MSC/Latifi tussle ?? :-O
how do you get that?
@@gigsawsoljier1408 I dunno, Mazepin added to the mix would’ve maybe changed the MSC/Latifi dynamic on track 🤷🏻♂️
The Fontana episode doesn't surprise me. Todt has always been ruthless, like in Austria with Rubens.
Lol, so salty for 2021. Every other racer showed an unbiased description, except 2021.
yea you can hear his tone getting harder, feel the pain hahaha
Did I miss Schumacher taking out Hill?
Nah. This is about 'accidentally' influencing the outcome of the season as opposed to all those times someone deliberately ploughed into someone....
Things to remember is all of these were on track racing.
Only 2021 Abu Dhabi was basically orchestrated by the Race director Micheal Massi
Latifi should have never apologized for the 2021 last race crash. He played no real role in the outcome of the world title, that squarely is on the shoulders of Michael Masi, and his complete bungling of the end of the race.
Masi and Latifi are the goats of F1. Thankfully Alonso is still there to make things interesting.
The issue Glock had was, when the rain came that hard he was ALWAYS going to lose out. If he changed tires, he'd have lost the place in the pits.
2010 - Alonso was fighting 6 Redbull drivers on the grid.. cough cough Toro Rosso and Renault.. it was pretty obvious that they were helping Vettel by letting him pass easily, but if Alonso was in their mirrors they blocked him in every way possible 🤣
renault??? you think the team they took engines from were helping them win?
The fact is the people who are giving Latife shit should either grow up or go follow some other sport more worthy of their low intelligence.
I know it’s about drivers getting involved in championships but Micheal Masi should get a special mention… Good work 👍
*There are always going to be circumstances or drivers that will decide a championship. If it isn't about dominance, it's about certain events during the closing stages of the season. I personally love F1 for this. A nice rivalry with a lot of races going it for one contender, in another race for the other, is just so fun to watch!*
When Latifi crashed, I knew he would get death threats. As for THAT ending to Abu Dhabi… all I will say is that F1 needs deep structural and operational changes ASAP. But they won’t do anything.
F1 needing deep structural changes? Like teaching Mercedes strategists how to better do their job?
It was their decision not to pit which cost them the drivers title.
@@milkshakemuncher it’s really a situation of perspective as they all are. I disagree how the FIA handled the safety car, especially when there are radios of other drivers commenting on the safety car. However that’s my opinion, I can also see from your perspective
Nelson Piquet Jr. crashing on orders from Flavio forced all the teams to pit at one time because they would have run out of fuel under the safety car. Because Ferrari had to double stack, the automatic pitbox release light had to be used manually, and ended up causing Massa's fuel line incident, which cost him the 08 title. Lewis drove a hell of a year also, but knowing what happens after (6 times) I really wish Massa would have gotten that one. He was such a great guy
Massa would have been the worst driver to be WDC in the past 30 years. Look at his shocking record outside of 2008 vs teammates
@@dxfifa Massa went down after the accident
I'd argue Bruno Senna wasn't the cause for that crash. It was Webber. Squeezing Vettel into T1 letting Massa and Alonso go.
Then refusing to move over when instructed "Multi 1-2" asking questions like "which button is that?" Prompting Malaysia 2013 to happen as revenge.
VIDEO IDEA: Times drivers were saved by HALO system, thinking hamilton and Grosjean
IS THAT LATIFI?
The Petrov 1 still hurts me to this day.. he must've been paid off to defend like that when he wasn't fighting for anything championship wise really
I reckon he was paid as well I suspect very well by Renault to you know race since he is a racing car driver
It’s motor racing, we go car racing
I never understood the hate some people have towards Petrov, his job is (or rather was) keep other drivers behind and bring home more point possible for the team, which he did. Alonso job was to overtake Petrov which it didn't manage to do end of the story
Thanks for having Latifi’s back guys. He’s not all that bad.
Do a video on the ONE race director that INTENTIONALLY CHANGED the outcome of a race by applying SOME of the rules when he felt like it.
He didn't do it "when he felt like it". Christian Hoirner told him to clear the traffic, then Toto Wolff came on the radio complaining that it wasn't right. So Masi had to compromise because he was lobbied by Team Principals.
I'm not defending the Race Director just giving you perspective. And by the way, as Ed Straw saye, The Race already has multiple videos on the crash and its following SC period.
dear The Race, I have always liked and appreciated your content. But lately all your brits that create great content, seem to only create content that highlights in a sublime way that Michael Masi did something wrong. Regardless of what Masi decided, there would have been controversy.
Now go down a different route, calculate scenarios, where DNFs occured and see the results. Also calculate how it would have happened if the magic button wasn't on, or the tyre would not have blown up. Or Bottas hadn't taken out 3 cars, or no red flag, allowing to change tyres. Or if George hand't crashed into Valtteri at Imola. This championship was not all about the last race.
So stop blaming anything, live with it, it was the correct result for the whole year. The better driver won this year, the better team won. Hopefully next year with the new cars, F1 gets to be more natural and in the future they stop with managing stuff and racing harder than ever.
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It’s 50/50 with me Michael masi literally had to break the rules to get the result that happened.
How do you figure there would of been controversy ? If the rules were followed no one could of complained … the rules weren’t followed so here we are
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i wouldn't say none of these drivers wanted to decide a championship, maybe most because the first entry did purposely hold up jaques with his teams ties to ferrari
Nicholas Latifi could become the new ITS THAT GLOCK.
Nicholas wasn't the one to interfere with the championship. Masi was
I felt this was the end of Lewis Hamilton winning WDC. The history repeated itself. He won his first WDC on the last lap overtaking Glock. The same happened in Abu Dhabi 2021. Doesn't matter what caused it or wasn't fair, etc. It was a similar instance and thus I believe this was the end of Lewis winning more titles.
Waiting for the "F1 Race Directors who intentionally influenced a championship-decider" video
This video should be called “8 F1 and a Race Director …” Latifi shouldn’t be blamed for anything
Where is MICHAEL MASI?
Chilling home probably, why you ask?
Masi is enjoyed himself. He is like the referee in FIFA 2001 game.
say his name : Max Verstappen ; your world champion.
When you think about it, if glock had pitted for wets, he would've lost track positions to Vettel anyway
could you imagine if one of the back markers would have influenced the last race in Saudi Awesome job Michael Masi
On the 2021 outcome , Hamilton was still first but got caught napping . That shows you should never count your chickens before they hatch .
Mercedes had no choice but not to pit as giving up track position was too great a risk - they didn't know Michael Masi would throw a curveball at them. RedBull had nothing to loose and so did the only sensible thing, they did nothing special. Hindsight can be a bitch as they say.
@@LeugoKez absolutely. But as what I was referring to is the " restart " Lewis was to busy being pissed off about transpired event and on the other hand convinced that he would still be champion that he was caught by surprise by max 😉 though max did give it his all
@@dimievers5573 at that point though lewis knew he could never hold up max - either max was going to be first, or max would take him out trying.
@@LeugoKez that is rather hypothetical but indeed a good possibility.
In the Petrov/Alonso battle, I’m certain that Renault wanted to keep Alonso behind them to help Red Bull which at the time was powered by a Renault engine.
I use to think football fans are delusion but this is on the whole another level
When I saw the thumbnail, I was 100% sure its about the Glock incident. Being an indirect cause of Brazilian loosing the championship in Brazil in front of Brazilian crowd, in the last corner of the last lap... I would probably leave the country right after parking in the pitlane 😅
10:27 - Masi DID NOT "call the safety car in sooner than F1 rules allow". You are only seeing one article.
Purposely forgetting the immediate next one, that says that the Race Director has total control over the saftey car.
THIS IS A RULE. This is allowed. Also, don't forget that teams always have pre-race meetings with the race direction about safety, track limits, but also "how we don't want to finish under safety car", specially for this race.
Doesn't matter, Masi should have done it sooner as Vettel and Alonso suggested
Masi stretched that rule to give it to Max, there were other scenarios he could've done but decided to play the Joker card!!
Right. Next time he should use his right to just give victory to red bull without people racing at all. Why even bother.
Why would Masi not bring the Safety car when the track was clear?
Why wait until Max came around and then bring the safety car in??
There can only be one reason!!
Masi did a lot of things wrong during the season... starting in the first race in Bahrain, where HAM should have been DQ'ed for 35 track limit infringements. Thas was NOT a 1 place shift. That put 25 points ahead of what he should have. Correcting that, this Abu Dhabi controversy wouldn't be even a thing, with the championship sealed by VER back in Saudi Arabia.
I read that Latifi has been getting death threats because of what happened this year but the fact of the matter is if the race director had stuck to the F1 rule book Hamilton would have won
Hamilton lost fair and square.
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@@mich722 😂😂😂 heck no.
WTF? The race director did stick to the F1 rule book... Any lapped cars can unlap behind the safetycar and the race director can end the safetycar when the race director thinks the track is safe again. What is the problem here?
Had Masi stuck to the rules this season, this wouldn't have been an issue, since Max would have had the championship wrapped up a few races ago.
Custom era-appropriate graphics are a great touch!
Like McNish was ever a championship decider, it actually stopped Schumacher winning it at his home race instead :-) I would have Petrov #4 as it's true Rosberg and Kubica were in the mix too. The 3 that undoubtedly changed things were Mansell, Glock and Latifi.
it was a weak inclusion
I was here firs I licked the commment sections so they are mine!
Licked? Interesting!
I was here well before mate
@@ace3146 hi F1 Viewer.
No goal for life
@@purwantiallan5089 hi f1 viewer
1. Lewis Hamilton was not a sitting duck on the last lap, he still had track position.
2. Micheal Masi is granted by the FIA to use the safety car how he chooses, as long as its done safely. Unless you read the FIA rule book with out of focus spectacles on. He is allowed to let all of the lapped cars past the safety car, any of the lapped cars past the safety, or he can chose to allow no cars past the safety car.
Why did Nicholas Latifi Crash? Mick Schumacher pushed him wide off the corner and off the track. Thus making Latifi's tires like ice skates. Therefore Haas's Mick Schumacher (Michael Schumachers Son) accidentally influenced a championship-decider NOT Nicholas Latifi.
You should get the basic facts CORRECT first before you post a new video THE RACE.
he was a sitting duck with 52 lap old hards against brand new softs on verstappen's car
I bet you will also be putting cookies and milk out for Santa ! 🤦🏽🤦🏻♀️
So glad you told us that Mick Schumacher is Michael Schumachers son. No one that has any interest in F1 or watches this channel knew that.
@@Financial_Digest A "sitting duck" would have been overtaken in the very first corner, and left behind by up to 20 seconds or more by end of the lap. Lewis had the car underneath him to re-take the lead of the race, and was only 2 seconds behind at the end of the last lap. If you didn't see this. Than your knowledge of F1 is...tiny
@@utetopia1620 My reference to Michael Schumacher in my original comment, was only to indicate, the very F1 record Lewis Hamilton was about to break, was Michael Schumachers. Ofc any decent fan of Mick Schumacher would know who is his father.
The thing everyone forgets about Glock in '08 is that he was only in front of Hamilton BECAUSE he stayed out on dry tyres.
In fact, staying ahead of the McLaren would have been him "interfering" with the championship outcome, being passed just restored the fact that Hamilton was going to win, which was the case before the pitstops.
Next video: 1 Race directors who consciously influenced a championship-decider
The Norberto Fontana incident at 9 on this list, The title say 9 F1 drivers who ACCIDENTALLY influenced a championship decider.
Can someone explain how someone being told to hold up a rival car is an accident and not deliberate?
SKY Sports F1 did a piece before one of the races this year, duh probably in Brazil, where Glock and Masa talked for the first time since that day.
Glock had always thought Masa hated him as they hadn't spoken (maybe a nod when passing each other) but in the interview Masa said he never felt any anger towards Timo which shocked the hell out of Timo because as I said for all those years he thought Masa hated him.
Sorry I butchered this but maybe someone with a better recollection of what was said in the pre-race feature could explain it better because it was really good.
"accidentally" - first video already completely on purpose. Well done...
There's actually another one in 1984. Prost himself unknowingly decided the championship by his call for a red flag in Monaco which ultimately cost him the championship with 0.5 points difference...