Restoring a chisel WITHOUT a bench grinder
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- There are many chisel-restoring videos out there, but they all use a bench grinder, which is not a tool everyone has! I don't even have one! They all mention you can restore the chisel without one by spending extra time on lower grit stones, but I wanted to challenge myself and see if it was possible.
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I think a simple solution to give more access to the center stone would be to raise it an inch or so compared to the outside stones. Should be high enough to allow the chisel handle to clear the outside stones without adding too much height/bulkiness.
That's a good idea!
Maybe each and every side retractable so you can use all sides. On every stone. 🤔
Or even easier detachable
I wouldn't even worry about and would not purchase their system. It is not a good system, and not thought out.
I was about to write that but i came to see the comments and you beat me to it ;-) gg
You’re a good teacher with significant skills. I’ve watched many (most?) of your videos. And congratulations on having enough followers so companies will pay you to help sell their stuff.
But for me, it’s pretty much where I drop out. The product might be good, maybe even great. I’m just not interested in a 15 minute infomercial.
Sorry you feel that way. I really did think it was a cool product people would like to know about.
Learn so much every video. You do a great job of anticipating what questions your viewers might have. I also appreciate you including the good, the not so good and even the ugly 😉 Thank you.
So awesome to hear! Thanks
$500 for this here in Australia, Double the website price in the link supplied. Pity that we get shafted all the time with pricing. It is supposed to be a free market world but still restrictions on posting products to us in Ausralia. I just bought 10 different diamond sharpening stones, probably low quality, but I did buy a strop and paste to finish off the sharpening process. Fortunately, I can get the different polishes here from a jewellery store. Good explaining the plus and minuses of the system. Would love to know how those angle marking blocks work, always has intrigued me, and seen it a lot but not explained. Honing guide, what a good idea. You did very well with that chisel restoration. I understand now about the angle marks, thanks. All the best from Sydney Australia.
that is annoying im sorry...
@3x3CustomTamar not your fault just how things go. Being not a huge population, we don't have the power to change things unl8ke the USA where the population is huge. Economies dictate everything. Still l9ve your videos. Stay safe and well.
Loved this video. I am beginning to do work that requires chiseling.
Best of luck!
That ending cut was so satisfying.....some great looking curls....
It was. Ha
You are such a good teacher and you make everything interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience.
You are so welcome
Спасибо за видео, смотрю ваши выпуски постоянно, жду с нетерпением 2 -у серию 😊
Looks nice. Belt sanders work fine for taking a rough cut on a chisel for me.
Belt sander works great for roughing in bevels. Also a little steel wool to get rid of rust on top and sides might keep your stones cleaner!
I have just bought my first trend diamond stone, I think I like the idea of a single stone system because then you can get all around all the stones rather than the limited access to the central stone. Interesting idea having the strops on top as detachable though. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, that is the only downside I really see having this set up like this. But the way I have my stones set up, I had the same issue. I didn’t thinks the strips were going to work as well as they did. I was pleasantly surprised!
@@3x3CustomTamar It would be interesting to see a review video in a few months/year. I hope you enjoy them. Thank you again for sharing.
as I've seen on a different channel, the stropping is more important than the diamond sharpening itself. It absolutely makes the difference as Tamar has also shown here
Yeah, I really like the 3 stages of strops this has. I have never seen that before. I thought it was really cool
Dangit. We're supposed to hate sponsored videos. And here you go giving us a useful one that gave a lot of quality information. The nerve of some creators, I swear! (just in case it's not clear, lots of tongue in cheek there. Seriously, thank you, very useful, and likely a purchase from me in the next month)
Hahah! I really only agreed to doing this video if I liked the product. It was actually supposed to be a small 2 minute thing within a longer video, but I loved it so much I made a longer video just featuring it 👍
without a a bench grinder you can glue some sandpaper to a piece of glass and do the coarse work like that, I have a bench grinder but i've never used it to sharpen anything aside from a lawnmower blade.
"If you don't have a $50 bench grinder, buy this $400 sharpening system." This video is just an ad and the entire premise makes no sense.
When i saw how much she damaged the chisel i started to smell bs until she pulled out a kit that looks very fancy
Meh, sometimes you a) don’t want to use a piece of machinery, or b) don’t have space for it. For me, a and b both apply, and though yes, it is an ad, the principles could be easily applied to regular whetstones. I live in a small house with no dedicated workshop, and don’t want the noise and dust a grinder creates, so this could work for me.
@@misstweetypie1 im still plenty sure there are cheaper stones and even kits available
It’s not a $400 set. A bench grinder is no replacement for getting sharp chisels, just maybe the very first step, and a lot can go south there too.
I don’t need this, but I think $200 (with discount) for this complete set is a very competitive price. If cheaper=better for whoever is deciding what to get, there are indeed tons of options. The sharper the tool, the safer it is!
@@alexstone691 probably, but she had this set, and it was sponsored, and she still offered good content that is applicable to more than just this one set of stones. You said this was just an ad, and that the premise didn’t make sense, I’m arguing that it does.
Sadly, Tamar, your videos are becoming more and more like infomercials. I understand the value of sponsorship, and you did add your disclaimer at the end, but I'm sure you know that a bench grinder with 10" wet/dry and stropping wheels and angle adjuster costs 30% less, putting aside the time and storage issues.
Sorry you feel that way. I’m actually leaning towards stopping all this sponsorship stuff, but I’m just getting contracts out of the way before I can do that 👍
I have this system, It's great for those who don't like sharpening
It really is!
You should lookup Trend Honing Guide. It has a cool small aluminum plate that fixes the honing angle problem.
A different project as usual but a great one. Missed so much your videos i love your new shop, became so awesome. 😊😊
Im working hard on a new project! Exciting things to come!
Interesante video y la base de las piedras esta excelente 😊. Saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
Looks like a pretty nice setup for a beginner and the price is roughly the same as you would pay for a nice set of stones and strop without any type of holder. One thing I don't like is the middle stone not being removeable...or at least couldn't see how in the video. My current setup is very similar to yours...3 DMT stones on some plywood. Mine is a little smaller and less bulky though. I didn't add a bench hook since I don't have a vice. I set it on a drawer liner when in use. Never have a problem with it moving. I also don't have any stop blocks for setting angles on mine which saves a lot of space. I use a Veritas MKII though so it has all that built into the honing guide. Another thing I did not do was glue down my plates, which I see a lot of folks do. Huge advantage when I need to flatten the back of a chisel or plane blade. I can just pop my 600 grit stone out of the middle and put it in one of the outer spots when needed. That way I can still use the entire stone. The one thing I really do like about the MPower is the strops just sitting on top of the diamond plates. That would be pretty handy. Both systems work and it seems both have their advantages and disadvantages. Just a matter of personal preference on which you choose.
If I may humbly say, bench grinders have ruined more chisels than they have helped. You have to really know what you're doing when using a bench grinder to fix chisels. You can so quickly ruin the geometry, and you can so easily overheat them and ruin the heat treatment. Just my humble 2 cents. :)
I had a feeling my mix-n-match chisels were not great. Thanks to your video, I know how pathetically bad they really are! Cheers.
Haha anytime
First thirty seconds of the video: "But why would you do that to a chisel?" Next thirty seconds of the video "oooooh because this video is actually just an advertisement. Got it."
Thanks Tamar
I took my first shot at freehand sharpening last weekend on a #5 handplane. It was not in the shape of your chisel but still needed sharpening. I actually went through the steps three times because a teacher once told me the 3 best ways to learn is repetion, repetition and repetition.
It got much easier to very quickly. I wanted to try freehand because the honing guide even with a similar blade setting setup is always a pain.
As always do what works for you but I recommend you try periodic sharpening of chisels and planes that aren’t disasters a few times. You will be surprised how quick it is. I aspire to reach Rob Cosman’s 32 seconds to sharp but I don’t I will get there. 😂
I don’t know, I think setting up a honing guide with stops takes like 2 seconds and the results are just so much better. I was not a fan of freehand sharpening as you could see. Ha.
I have a piece of tempered glass that I glue up to 8000 grit sandpaper to. I have up to 12,000 ceramic stones. I'd love a set like this but...
Folks, you are permitted to not play the video if the sponsorship bothers you. Tamar, I think you’re a great teacher and I had no problem with this video, but even if you started including content that didn’t interest me, I’d just not watch those videos. Cheers.
Haha. I knew this video wasn’t going to be for everyone, just like all my videos. Everyone is interested in their own thing and I will never create a video that will please the entire human race 😂
I’m missing your project videos. Hope everything is ok and you will have new projects soon
I have 2 project videos that will go out soon and I’m currently working on a new one! Stay tuned!
I have those same Stanley chisels, and I also use them as beater chisels.
Perfect use
Thanks, I think I will try this but more at waist-level so I can lock my elbows and rock my body back and forth.
Nice video
Yeah. My bench is too high. Ha. I plan on building a new one soon!
Size of lapping stuff? I use a big ole container of Norton sharpening oil. Under $20 for a Quart. Good stuff.
For lapping fluid, regular window cleaner works great. I put some in a small 3 oz spray bottle that I keep with my sharpening setup. I like it with a little more lubrication so I add a couple of drops of glycerin to the small bottle and it works really well. I also made a much smaller honing guide setup block that is wide enough for a plane blade plus a chisel blade, and I put the stops for each offset from the center so I can flip it around for different bevel angles.
Yeah. I typically like to use window cleaner as well. But not windex, I use auto window cleaner by meguiars.
@@3x3CustomTamar Thanks for the tip. I will try that. Who knows, I might even get crazy and clean my car windows with it. :) Also, a big shout out for your trim router base plate jig. I ordered one and it is a game-changer. Great design!
@@halsonger1317 awesome to hear!
That is a nice sharpening rig. M. Power does have some nice gear in general. Agreed on foundational work, I use a Worksharp to do my initial clean up. Quite fast and gives great results. Then finish on your M. Power setup/diamond stones. Thanks for the introduction to their diamond sharpening station.
It’s a really cool system, and I think it’s a great deal
I asked myself, Who uses a bench grinder to sharpen chisels? I've only used Shapton stones with a bevel guide. Works really well. I do find it interesting to see what others use to sharpen their tools. I'm a beginner and looking to learn more along the way. Thanks for sharing.
I myself don't have bench grinder instead I use a belt grinder clamped upside down on my bench with a 120 grit belt and my diamond stone set into a12 inch block of 3 bye 2
Tamar i have never used a bench grinder on a chisel. The product isnt much of an improvement over what you have but i do like the strop. Nice commercial but no sale here sorry. Lets build a guitar or a chair. Youre still the best.👍
I use the round end of a belt sander to get a hollow grind on my chisels.
Hi Tamar
Paul Sellers
nuf said
Good video
Glad you enjoyed
Hey, strange question... Do you ever have any concerns about wearing rings when woodworking? The only woodworking I've done with proper shop equipment (not my equipment, sadly...) came with a blanket "no jewelry" rule, and I've stuck with that. But maybe I worry too much.
I should not be wearing a ring.
@@3x3CustomTamar Please don't think I'm criticizing... you really shouldn't listen to me :-). There's a big difference between necklaces and rings, of course.
@@andrewh7868 I was being serious. I really should not be wearing one. I bought a rubber one but it wasnt comfortable for me
Great review and informative, as are all of your videos. Thanks for sharing!
Glad you liked it! I had fun with this little experiment
MPower $250 sharpening system ???
Old school stones or Bench grinder / belt sander it is !!!
(Love your project videos tho).
I wouldn’t use a bench grinder to sharpen my chisels. You get a concave radius on the working end. I use a flat whetstone and keep my diamonds for touching up.
I use windex on my diamond stones and it works fine. No need for a special “lapping fluid”. I think it’s sad so many people are “upset” you’re demonstrating a product from someone and might be making money off it. Seems petty and jealous. I like your videos. You put out good information and good techniques. Thanks. Keep it up.
This video is technically in violation of EU advertising regulations. As a UA-camr you need to declare that this is an ad at the start of a video or in the title.
I did. It’s on the upper left corner of the video. That’s pretty standard UA-cam practice
Are you going to still do woodworking projects?
Thank you Tamar
Why would I stop? Currently working on one now
@@3x3CustomTamar great thank you Tamar
No my fav video on 3x3 as it really is an ad.
Just get a bench grinder, it would take up less space than the 3 stones. Also add a linisher to the other side
Ha, I have been looking a the tormek for the past 3 years.
how do you do the back of your chisel on grinder?
You don't. At least not a grinder with friable wheels mounted vertically. I think Tamar must have something else in mind.
Although with a CBD wheel key one) you have the sides of the wheel that you can use. I don't think that is the best way to go either.
Cool…
People have been sharpening chisels for centuries. I definitely prefer diamond stones to oil stones, but we really don't need to overthink a full sharpening rig. This seems more like a solution looking for a problem.
Great work cleanin it up. If it makes you feel better a standard bench grinder setup wouldn't have done much for the back only the bevel.
I don’t have one, but I thought people use the side of the wheel to flatten the back
@3x3Custom - Tamar I have an 8" 2 speed with normal abrasive wheels. The side of the wheel thing sorta works on a tormex, with a cbn or possibly a grinder with a cbn wheel, but the sides of a standard abrasive wheel aren't particularly flat, and not all of them are set up for a side load.
Nice video, thanks.
Thoroughly enjoyed this video, I have always struggled trying to sharpen chisels to a high standard. This kit is available in Australia, unfortunately it costs $499.00 AU and no discount available.
Oh man…
I use a belt sander. Takes 2 seconds. I don't like a bench grinder because it makes a curve not straight.
Interesting video. Disappointing you wouldn't share bad products.
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welcome back
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Special product no one else can get BIG BIG BIG thumbs down.
There's no way to flatten the back of a chisel with a bench grinder unless you have one with a diamond wheel that has a wide, perfectly flat and true side edge. A belt sander (hand held or stationary), could work in a pinch but it likely won't be very flat and you'd have to spend a lot of time on the stones afterwards cleaning it up anyway. As for getting to the center plate in your home made holder, why can't you simply swap it to the edge? If they're stuck because the wood has swelled, pry out the plate and enlarge the opening a bit. That's what I had to do.
Finally, putting your shiny kit away into it's case and sticking it into a drawer turns sharpening into a "bigger process", that you're less likely to do. The key to quick and easy sharpening is to always have the sharpening supplies out and ready to go. Sounds like a good time for a sharpening station build.
🙂
merci a vous madame
I liked the video. Thank you. I also like the IDEA of the SMS and its appearance. I'm not sold on the specifics of it. As you pointed out, access to the middle stone is limited, making it cumbersome for some operations. I like the idea of the snap-on leather strop overlays, but, I think that if one doesn't clean each stone prior to applying the strops, it'll be a mess. The idea of a case to store all the stuff is great, but probably not all too practical if one sharpens frequently, as one who regularly works wood will want/need to. Generally, sharpening should be frequent and quick: having to take everything out of a storage pouch, clean it after use and then put it all back in a storage pouch negates that. 5000 grit, or equivalent, is probably a little iffy in terms of the finest grit.I have other MPower tools and appreciate their new approaches to old problems, but I'm not sold on this one.
Sorry Tamar, but I don’t need this gimmicky multi stone setup. One double-sided diamond stone works for me (400 & 1000 grit). And Honerite lapping fluid.
I like this channel, but honestly it doesn’t cost that much in my area to send my chisels out to a sharpening service to have them worked on. Maybe $5, even if my chisel's cutting edge has some legitimate dings in it. All I do anymore is touch up the edge a little
0:44 NO! Don't do it! Dangerous! We believe you, it's dull, okay?
No bench grinder.....use belt sander,drum sander, orbital sander,drill press, hand drill,lathe,dremel,even a table saw with a grinding wheel.
You from the inland northwest?
Opposite.
So... do you have a bench grinder? That's a nifty little sharpening setup, I have to say.
I don’t. I thought this system was pretty cool too!
@@3x3CustomTamar Sorry, I was kidding about the bench grinder. You mentioned not having one a few times in the beginning. I HAD to say something.
I think it would make more sense if the base just held one removable grinding pad at a time, giving you more freedom of movement.
That’s definitely an interesting idea
also would like to say, long time watcher but I don't like you not telling us this was an advertisement at the start, felt a bit taken advantage of.
It’s there in the upper left corner and in the video description
Becoming a little tooo commercial for my taste Sad..
I dont like how the 3 diamond plates are hollow!!!
you could have used your power sanding devise to get the worst of the rust off.
Yup. But the point of the video was to challenge myself to see if it was possible to just use the stones.
Fantastic work and review, Tamar! Thanks! 😃
Fantastic kit indeed!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Glad you like it! I think it will replace my old system!
Great video. Narrow minds see an advertisement, educated open minds see a tutorial on a potentially useful new product. I appreciate your presentation of the pros and the cons. I also liked the fact you tried it freehand which is difficult at best. Great job. Thanx for sharing.
Glad you liked it! I will NOT be sharping freehand moving forward though. Ha
ooh its a commercial
You should mention it in the title, that the whole video is an advertisement and not more like a DIY tutorial like the current title suggests.
The title isn’t misleading. She showed how to restore a chisel without a bench grinder.
@@CrazyManwich Did you notice how they said "current" title. The title they read may not be the same as the one you read.
I never changed the title of this video.
There is clearly a pop-up at the start of the video that says "Includes Paid Promotion"
I mean she did restore a chisel without a grinder. I think it was fine.
Does everyone else just use Windex to replace that fluid on this kit?
Auto glass cleaner. Not windex 👍
I'm actually trying to view the kit, and their site is currently down. Anybody able to let them know so that they can get things fixed up soon to let us see pricing and make a choice?
Hmmm. Their site is working for me
This is actually a Comcast/xfinity issue. If I go via my cellular network, it works just fine. If I go via my cable modem, it doesn't. So, anybody else on Comcast/Xfinity, be on the lookout and get around it that way.
That middle diamond wheel is a waste....limited access
No sound!
Lol I thought the strops were the stones at first
Ha! The strops are definitely something new, and I think really cool.
@@3x3CustomTamar I think so too! I can definitely see the rationale behind having 3 of them.
She’s gone. No more projects just 20 min ads. No hate here make your money 💰 just saddened by the ads.
Posting a new project tomorrow. This is how I have always made my videos. They can’t all be project videos bc it takes more than one week to make a project!
Why drop the chisel on purpose????
You could just wipe your chisels off after you clean up glue lol
I could… ha.
I just don't like how the both grinds are convex!!!!!
Or you can just buy a new chisel and raise it the right way. ;)
And you still got something to learn😉...the ultimate test is not hardwood endgrain,but softwood end grain,because it tends to give while cutting.
And freehand is "stupid",because so you get a round bevel like you did...and that's a big no-no.
And even better than polishing paste-3M lapping film😃👍
But OK...I get it...just like Kats Moses's channel, you have become an advertising channel.
I agree that freehand is stupid. I hated that roundover and hated showing that to world, but just wanted to see if it was possible. Ha.
E moj Roberte, nemoj se ovako sramotiti okolo.
@@riba2233 za kaj sramotiti🤔...kaj pa ni res od tega,kar sem napisal?
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Seriously? Bench grinder is the only way except for the sponsor 's product? Work on your ad copy Tamar.
Maybe should have started with some 120-150 grit sandpaper taped down for the first stage of flattening?
That would defeat the purpose of seeing if I can do it with just this system 😉
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I am just annoyed on how wasteful and over complicated that aluminium "stone holder" is.
I think it’s design serves a purpose.
It is not that wasteful, it has like a kg of aluminium and it was made by extruding so not wastage
A flaw design and you try to make seem like it’s universally bad with other products…by mentioning your homemade holder has the same problem…yet you didn’t mention you can simply lift the stone and swamp it. This is a bad product and you would not buy it, why are you promoting it?
I don’t think it’s bad.
You are so handy. and beautiful as ever.
🤔🤔🤔
Say....How are you with vehicle mechanics?
bye Tamar
Time to unsubscribe this is just another advert disguised as a you tube video. Bye Bye
Когда уже на русском будет видео?)
Never
I don’t speak Russian, so probably never. Ha.
Any new projects in the works, Tamar? Been missing those lately 🥲
Posting a new one tomorrow!
I agree with one of the previous viewers, that this is an advert for what I would say is an expensive addition to sharpen chisels on, £230 is a lot of money before you’ve even started the process and questionable as a must or even might have.
Have you looked at the price of 3 separate diamond stones? This price is actually very competitive and you get more. You don’t need it. But I’d you’re looking into diamond stones, which many woodworkers do… this is a great option 👍
Big fan longtime of you and the channel. Please don’t take this the wrong way, but there is no such thing as a “sponsored review”. it’s mutually exclusive, either they pay you to show off the product, or you review it. Which is your, unbiased, opinion and you show it because you like it (or even better, also if you don’t). If you combine it, it’s just too much conflict of interest and takes away from the honestly
I got a lot of value and inspiration from your videos through the years. This kind of product promotion video is very different from what you used to make.
I realize that 1) You don't owe anyone any consistency in content creation and 2) Things change.
But it depresses me that rather than making cool projects with humble setup, as you used to, you spend this much time promoting an overpriced product that you yourself likely wouldn't buy a few years back. What you do here can be done with a sheet of sandpaper and a cheap oil stone, for about $10, which better match the cheap chisel too.
I appreciate what you have taught us through the years, and acknowledge again that you owe nobody anything, in content creation or else, but, the authenticity and warmth of your earlier works isn't present here.
Don’t worry. More projects to come! This is not my channel moving forward.