The modules draw a lot of current. That's why we only drive the pixels that are new in each frame. This still is too much for our puny little powersource. This is the reason why pixels that failed to flip stay they way they are. Some pixels flip even though they don't have to. That's a software bug.
bytewerk couldn't you calculate the current going through the display at any given time and use that to selectively sweep the board to make sure it's all flipped the correct direction while still staying within the power supply limits?
I think the 'real' solution would be to not draw to the flip dots directly, but to draw to a frame buffer, and let a separate thread worry about displaying the buffer after it is completed. That way you can insure consistent bug free behavior. The rate that the buffer is written to the flip dots could be throttled so that it runs just under the speed that malfunctions occur. Then you would not need to go back and make sure things took. If you triple buffer, then you can do a comparison between the two complete buffers to determine if a pixel flip needs to occur or not, saving power.
@@movie8575 Man with moderate snark and obviously limited grasp of time as a function of linear progression attempts to inform year old comment that an additional year has passed since commenting.
Holy shit I thought this was some kind of stop animation which was already impressive as it but the fact that this is actually. running. Tetris. holy shit
@@jestfullgremblim8002 there's a store whose sign is formatted quite similarly, called Bath & Body Works. They sell candles, bath salts, etc, stuff you might use after a long day to soothe an aching back and body.
For some reason I just really love how when the frames update they take a while to actually go from one state to another, you can actually see them switching and that just looks awesome! Kinda like motion blur but better lol
@@cy-one yup but bigger stepper motors are generally quieter. You'd need somekind of amplification system or resonance box. Especially for nema 23. I've got them on my cnc router and i barely hear them. 🤷♂️ depends on the steps per rev settings and amperage of course.
Oh, i love these things. I remember there was a GIANT one at an indoor swimming pool when i was a kid in the early 90's. great sound. Reminds me of old airports around the same time, too.
@@GamingwithPortals Uh...yes they have. Arduino exists for 16 years and the Raspberry Pi is also older than this video. And the Arduino isn't some revolutionary new technology, it's just a series of prebuilt microcontroller boards with nice drivers and software around it.
@@GamingwithPortals why wouldn't you be able to use a full sized computer 30 years back? This tech is old and could've been done the same year Tetris came out if someone wanted to make a simple clone of it.
There's something about analog stuff that the world is missing these days. That's why I love odd projects like this. Game never existed in this form, but feels nostalgic because it's like the old Departure/Arrival boards at the airport..
This is crazy!! One day i'd love to see a GameBoy emulator running on one of these displays, the grayscale games seem like a perfect fit for it, even thouhg GB games are technically capable of 4 colors, it'd be cool to see something with fast graphics that's interactable on one of these screens.
This video was made 7 years ago. I needed this recommended to me 7 years ago and a day earlier. Also how can +500 people dislike this. This is awesome.
This is awesome. Wish you sold these! Even if Tetris was the only thing on this I would buy one. Maybe a small wall mount setup with the simple arcade controller at the bottom. Epic!
This used to be a decommissioned highway info sign with 400 of these modules. The CCC from Munich gave 4 of them to us for reverse engineering. In the end we made this tetris game with it.
DLP is basically this but made as a microchip and it uses microscopic mechanical mirrors instead of these rotating black and white pieces. Technically it is possible to make a microscopic version of this and it would be cheaper and consume less energy than the large boards. And there is 4k DLP so it is possible to have a 4k flipdot panel...
By the way, do you know that there is a name for the Tetris melody, this is "The Song of the Peddler".The love song of this shipwright and a certain girl. So this song was a hit in Russia before Tetris.
There may be a few glitches but this is undeniably a work of art. This is something you’d find in a billionaire’s mansion or something. Seriously this is awesome
This has the potential to be the most satisfying game in history if you somehow manage to perfectly match up the flipping of the pixels with the beat of the music. I don't know if the specifics make it pheasable but if you can control the timing of the drawframe it should be doable, as well as some changes to the speed at which things move/animate.
That's cool and all, but can it run *Doom?*
Justin Y. Probably, I think the single keyboard key had less pixel and about the same fps, so it should be fine.
A man with the right questions
Justin Y. Anything can run Doom at this point
linguicaguy my phone, my fridge, my router, my watch, hell, my fricken cat can probably run doom ffs
*Papito Jugo Al Doom*
CLICKCLACKCLICKCLACKCLICKCLACKCLICKCLACKCLICKCLACK
"Tetris for Jeff."
Jonas who
You forgot the "Boom"
imagine cops getting noise complaint about "loud monitor"
lol i had "boom tetris for joseph" going in my head
Boom tetris
The modules draw a lot of current. That's why we only drive the pixels that are new in each frame. This still is too much for our puny little powersource. This is the reason why pixels that failed to flip stay they way they are. Some pixels flip even though they don't have to. That's a software bug.
bytewerk the* way they are
bytewerk couldn't you calculate the current going through the display at any given time and use that to selectively sweep the board to make sure it's all flipped the correct direction while still staying within the power supply limits?
I think the 'real' solution would be to not draw to the flip dots directly, but to draw to a frame buffer, and let a separate thread worry about displaying the buffer after it is completed. That way you can insure consistent bug free behavior. The rate that the buffer is written to the flip dots could be throttled so that it runs just under the speed that malfunctions occur. Then you would not need to go back and make sure things took.
If you triple buffer, then you can do a comparison between the two complete buffers to determine if a pixel flip needs to occur or not, saving power.
I think you'd need v-sync lol
did you try to turn it off and on again?
I know this is 7 years old but this has got to be one of the coolest things I've seen this year.
Have a good day
@@myenglishisbadpleasecorrec5446 you too!
You mean 8?
I agree
@@movie8575 Man with moderate snark and obviously limited grasp of time as a function of linear progression attempts to inform year old comment that an additional year has passed since commenting.
The clearing animation is soooo satisfying
That’s creepy.
Yeah this is like computer animation
YES
1:49
It's not an animation but actual motion.
The cool thing about seeing this 7 years after it's release is wondering how much it's improved.
They upgraded to flat screen because of lower power requirements.
@@fungames24 lol progress to digress I guess 😭
I know it's a glitch/ power problem but I really love the way sometimes pixels stick. It gives it a certain charm
Yeah, I love that.
Jonah Johansen same
Himmelen
Same. Also makes it feel more natrual in an odd way.
True!
@@cameoshadowness7757 exactly!
7 years ago this guy was still ahead of today. Respect through and through
It’s like you’re simultaneously solving multiple rubik’s cubes
that amazing sound...
@eric Spencer definitely not the sound would be faster then usually
I can't believe this was 8 years ago, ahead of time creation.
The algorithm in my account is pretty good at recommending videos
Can't wait to see fallout 4 be released on this platform
Justin Y. I swear i see you everywhere...
I think there is multiple accounts named Justin Y. with the same picture run by different people going all over youtube
DoctorSlimeStudios i checked there are only 2 but I’ve only seen 1 of them
Rip ears
I also see this person on a lot of videos I watch.
This video just chilled for 7 years and then suddenly got recommended to everyone, nicee...
Holy shit I thought this was some kind of stop animation which was already impressive as it but the fact that this is actually. running. Tetris. holy shit
Your PFP is amazing. It took a minute for me to register it mentally, but it's absolutely brilliant.
@@IVR02 i don't get it. What's so brilliant about
"Back
&Body
Hurts"?
@@jestfullgremblim8002 The pun amuses me. Obviously I exaggerated a bit in my comment.
@@IVR02 well, english and japanese are really different. So i didn't get the pun either. i'm a big fan of puns so maybe i would enjoy it a lot too!
@@jestfullgremblim8002 there's a store whose sign is formatted quite similarly, called Bath & Body Works. They sell candles, bath salts, etc, stuff you might use after a long day to soothe an aching back and body.
The click-clacking of the tiles as pieces fall make the perfect beat for the Tetris theme!
For some reason I just really love how when the frames update they take a while to actually go from one state to another, you can actually see them switching and that just looks awesome! Kinda like motion blur but better lol
It looks like scanlines which is trippy af
I did not expect such a high refresh rate. Very nice
All it needs now is a floppytron speaker😉
FullFledged2010 Hell yes!
Floppy drive speaker would be BOSS!
Long live mechanics!!
tbh, I think a stepmotor speaker would fit better XD
@@cy-one Floppy drives are stepper motor driven 😉
@@FullFledged2010 I know, but there's a slight difference in tone between a tiny motor in a floppy and a NEMA 17 or 23 ;)
@@cy-one yup but bigger stepper motors are generally quieter. You'd need somekind of amplification system or resonance box. Especially for nema 23. I've got them on my cnc router and i barely hear them. 🤷♂️ depends on the steps per rev settings and amperage of course.
Oh, i love these things. I remember there was a GIANT one at an indoor swimming pool when i was a kid in the early 90's. great sound.
Reminds me of old airports around the same time, too.
Im So glad youtube reccomend me this it's a hidden gem
I completely agree!
Same!
Hidden gem Celeste
I thought the mechanical sounds would be irritating but I actually find them kind of soothing.
1:04 BOOM TETRIS FOR JEFF
TheValem lol its sad that i understood this
BOOM TETRIS FOR JONAS
It take 8 years for youtube to recommend this.
Boom! Tetris for Jeff!
Boom! Tetris for Jonas!
@@AndrewNichlos 😥
This is like torture by 100 simultaneously clicking pens but still pretty awesome tech display.
Keep it up, other than a couple artifacts it looks lovely, which in case of Tetris matters a lot.
Me: wow technology has come so far for this to be possible
*reads that this was posted 7 years ago*
Me: w u t
ah yes, because these types displays totally havent existed since 1961.
@@barry5 But things like the arduino and Rpi haven’t existed since them
@@GamingwithPortals Uh...yes they have. Arduino exists for 16 years and the Raspberry Pi is also older than this video. And the Arduino isn't some revolutionary new technology, it's just a series of prebuilt microcontroller boards with nice drivers and software around it.
@@SaHaRaSquad Ok I was just trying to figure out why this feels like a new video
@@GamingwithPortals why wouldn't you be able to use a full sized computer 30 years back? This tech is old and could've been done the same year Tetris came out if someone wanted to make a simple clone of it.
But can it run Super Mario Bros?
Lets see
Yes, if the power supply problem is solved. This display can show pretty much anything which fits within the resolution and is monochrome
@@patemathic Bad Apple?
@@tomikun8057 already exists
Probably
For 2013 folk, that was incredible
This is a fun way to play classics like this
There's something about analog stuff that the world is missing these days. That's why I love odd projects like this. Game never existed in this form, but feels nostalgic because it's like the old Departure/Arrival boards at the airport..
can it be made fully analog like using water and stuff?
True
Not only did you make an innovative and cool design for playing games, you also happen to be a Tetris god.
Really dig the sound of it! It adds something.
You don't understand just how much I need something like this
The constantly flipping tiles make it sound as if it's tap dancing to the music lol
That’s really great. Imagine if the music was from the flipdots too 😆
This is crazy!! One day i'd love to see a GameBoy emulator running on one of these displays, the grayscale games seem like a perfect fit for it, even thouhg GB games are technically capable of 4 colors, it'd be cool to see something with fast graphics that's interactable on one of these screens.
ちょくちょく色が反転しちゃう所を含めて味があって良い
Finally, someone who makes a Tetris project and isn’t an absolute idiot when playing it
The sound it makes is really nice :D
Please upload a full (long) game in realtime too
youtube, why didnt you recommend me this *ten years ago?*
I like how some of the flipdots get stuck and it looks like there's a two block gap and he messed up, but halfway through it fixes itself
idk why i love how imperfect it is
The amount of money I would Pay to get my unworthy hands on this masterpiece...
I remember playing something exactly like this at a museum. I think it was at Edinburgh but I'm not 100% sure
This video was made 7 years ago. I needed this recommended to me 7 years ago and a day earlier. Also how can +500 people dislike this. This is awesome.
As master shake said "If I wanted to play Tetris I would just draw the blocks falling down on a flipnote pad"
Lol what episode
I don’t know why I was recommended this 8 years later but I’m glad it was
Everyone in 3 years ago: This is amazing dude!
Me in 2021: LETS MAKE BAD APPLE PV WITH USING THIS!
Already there is one ;)
I don't know why UA-cam recommends me this 8 years later, but this is so cool!
Coolest thing ever!!!
After 7 years UA-cam decided to show Me this vid and tbh Im so happy to see it 😁
I've never even heard of these things before, but now I want it.
Quick question, does this recreation have SRS?
Recommended 7 years later
Think of all the TI-83 games you could play on this!
Nice bookshelf’s! I guess that’s what it takes to have fun with awesome projects like this )
"We managed to get it to run at 10fps" -Achievement unlocked:
I cant even run tetris without lag.
Awesome vid btw
If this was it back in the 90s we would have never got away with sneaking a game at night.
Imagine what would the world look like if technology would've evolved into this instead of screens.
Great point.
How would 4k look like
@@RamiCrafy Pretty big lol
You realise that e-ink displays exist, right?
Your screen is just millions of points (pixels) after all
I'm really excited to see this technology pushed further! It's so cool :)
Boom, Tetris for Jeff
RaZz00M ha
very nice
This is awesome. Wish you sold these! Even if Tetris was the only thing on this I would buy one. Maybe a small wall mount setup with the simple arcade controller at the bottom. Epic!
This Tetris remix is great. Where can I find it
Up
Good work comrade, when the people arrive in the station tomorrow, I want this on the arrivals board playing for morale.
Can it run minecraft?
I'm surprised how responsive this system is, damn! Love it
Me: I like clicky keyboard switches.
CCC: What about clicky displays???
This is just now getting my recommendations. This is actually really cool!
But can it run doom?
Good question😊
I hope he is still working on this also I love how he genuinly improved at tetris between this and the last video, shows how much testing went into it
ドット抜けが微妙に発生するのも絶妙にゲームボーイ感ある
he's pretty good at tetris too. i feel like the flip thing was just a vehicle to show that off all along.
theres dead pixels
Dj jom2x Yeah, there is. That doesn't take away from how cool it is.
Yeah that's the problem with doing these kinds rapid movements on those boards is that there not built for it.
This is 8 years old, i legitimately thought this was a new invention. This is so cool
Where did you source these boards?
This used to be a decommissioned highway info sign with 400 of these modules. The CCC from Munich gave 4 of them to us for reverse engineering. In the end we made this tetris game with it.
I can't believe this awesome invention was made way back in 2013
4k?
DLP is basically this but made as a microchip and it uses microscopic mechanical mirrors instead of these rotating black and white pieces. Technically it is possible to make a microscopic version of this and it would be cheaper and consume less energy than the large boards. And there is 4k DLP so it is possible to have a 4k flipdot panel...
This is way better than the content you see now a days
UP主，是否可以制作bad apple呢？
UP master , you can create , bad apple
What are you trying to say
Um
That'd be a great idea actually
By the way, do you know that there is a name for the Tetris melody, this is "The Song of the Peddler".The love song of this shipwright and a certain girl. So this song was a hit in Russia before Tetris.
日本人いるー？
i'm actually speechless
this is incredible!
Nooooo, CELBITTTTT
Damn, it look fantastic. Props to creators.
This is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen. I’d love to watch a tear-down to see how it works
I really like the clicking noises it makes. Also pretty cool to watch ngl
Its about levels 7-9 that my brain begins to go into “AHHHHH” mode
When UA-cam recommendations become a gold mine:
There may be a few glitches but this is undeniably a work of art. This is something you’d find in a billionaire’s mansion or something. Seriously this is awesome
The sound it makes is so much fun!
This has the potential to be the most satisfying game in history if you somehow manage to perfectly match up the flipping of the pixels with the beat of the music. I don't know if the specifics make it pheasable but if you can control the timing of the drawframe it should be doable, as well as some changes to the speed at which things move/animate.
Just a couple thousand more and it’s basically a giant monitor
Pretty much, then run MacOS 1984 on it. That would be really cool.
That clacking sound is really satisfying~
the nerdy sh that people can do just blows my mind. I would love to see an updated version here in 2022
7 years later this thing still look really cool to me.
Aah man that sound is as satisfying as Tetris..lethal combination.
For some reason this video showed up in my recommends. Not disappointed.
It’s like the panel flip screen transition when you first start the Portal 2 campaign.
The glorious Algor back at it again
That is some cool shit❤ have you got a vid on the build?
The algorithm has brought us together, brothas.
Aside from a few minor glitches this is really good