The REAL reason new riders are dying in the U.S.

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  • @richardbuchanan5497
    @richardbuchanan5497 2 роки тому +9

    A local mother took her son to the dealership on his 16th birthday, and bought him a fast, larger bike. Nobody knows how fast he was going, estimates are around 105 mph. He crested a hill on his way to school, a woman had started to pull out at an intersection and stopped when she saw him coming. He impacted the left front fender, and flew over the hood of the woman's car. He was 16 years, one day old.

  • @joelaugustin6407
    @joelaugustin6407 2 роки тому +6

    "Well young man, you passed the test, here's your minimal standard 7 year old craigslist helmet, gardening gloves, timberland boots and Hayabusa".

  • @paulambry
    @paulambry 2 роки тому +7

    I think you're right about the power restrictions saving lives here in Australia. And one thing that tends to reinforce the assertion is the over-representation of older riders dying. In particular, riders of a certain age who buy the latest and greatest, because they can. The national fatality figures in Australia in 2017 were:
    Aged 17 - 25 43 riders
    Aged 26 - 39 48 riders
    Aged 40 - 64 *93* riders (it was even higher in 2016 - *119* )
    These numbers are even more shocking given that motorcycle ownership is way higher in the younger age groups than in the older. For example, 35% of people between the ages of 25-34 own motorcycles, compared to just over 10% of people aged between 55 and 54.
    And I can't see these numbers diminishing for older riders, especially given the runaway performance of new motorcycles. I mean, does one really need 200hp on the road? (I know, I know, it's a delight passing joy.... but the temptation to depart from prudence is great.)

  • @lardycake70
    @lardycake70 2 роки тому +3

    Good video, mate. Growing up in the 80's in England, we had no restrictions after passing your test other than the cost of buying and insuring a bike, but we had more of a natural progression from 50cc to 125cc's and then 250's and 350's, 400's and finally onto the bigger bikes when we were older and could afford the insurance costs. Ultimately, a lot of my crashing was undertaken on slower, cheaper to fix bikes. The biggest impediment back then to going from 125 and straight to a GSXR1100 was simply not being able to afford the insurance cost. One of our biggest problems has always been those who passed their bike tests back then, stopped riding for 20 plus years and then during the inevitable mid-life crisis, bought an R1 or similar and launched themselves up the road, unable to cope with the power. That used to happen a lot...

  • @RVRCloset
    @RVRCloset 2 роки тому +4

    This was really interesting!
    In Sweden we have just over 300 000 motorcycles, and 30 deaths a year. You are not allowed to ride without a ce rated helmet, and even though you don't have to use full gear, it's really rare to see people ride without full gear.
    We also have our motorcycle licence devided in three steps. 16 year olds can only get a licence for 125cc, then at 18 they have to take a new test to get a licence for up to around 650cc. And finally at 20 they can take a test for heavy bike licence. This is restricted to people that have had licence for 650cc motorcycles for at least 2 years though, if you want to go stright for a heavy bike licence, you have to be 24 years old.

  • @ferraroso
    @ferraroso 2 роки тому +3

    I live in Japan and here, any person over 18 years old can ride any kind of motorcycle, but you need to take a 28 hours ridding course for riding a 400cc. For anything larger than that, a 40 hours course is needed. And the tests are pretty rigorous.
    You also need to have your license for more than 12 months to ride with a passenger and, 36 months to take a passenger on the highway.
    As a means of comparison, the country currently has 10,540,000 motorcycles (around half of which are 50cc scooters and mopeds though) registered and 141 people died in motorcycle-related accidents in 2020.

    • @diyfreediver
      @diyfreediver Рік тому

      Thanks for the statistics! I’m in Japan too and I recently got my up to 400 cc license. I’ll share this and the US statistics with my son because he rides a motorcycle in Japan, but he’s studying in the US.

  • @peggymcgranahan7765
    @peggymcgranahan7765 3 роки тому +7

    We quit riding and sold our bike when cell phone use increased. Going down the road, we could see the top of a person's head because they were on their phone. That meant they couldn't see us. Do other countries allow drivers to use cell phones?

    • @bartmotorcycle
      @bartmotorcycle  3 роки тому +1

      That could definitely be a factor! Not sure, it might be stricter in other countries

    • @John_Ridley
      @John_Ridley Рік тому

      In the US it doesn't matter what is allowed, people just do what they want anyway. Riders ride without the legally required cycle endorsement on their license and laugh at the idea of getting it. Millions of people drive cars with no or pulled licenses. Millions drive without legally required insurance. I think in my state I'd be surprised if even half the riders are legally licensed for motorcycles,.
      If doesn't matter if cell phone usage is made illegal, it won't really stop anyone from using them

  • @JustRTW
    @JustRTW 2 роки тому +2

    Although I agree that training is probably the highest factor to be considered, here's another thought: too many American riders that I see on blogs and UA-cam ride with little or no protective gear. Yes, they may be wearing a helmet, but then they think that it's fine to ride around in nothing more than you'd wear to the pub. The bare minimum that I would wear any time that I ride a bike (even if it's just a few miles) is boots, Kevlar jeans (I don't wear any other type of jeans these days), a jacket (either leather or fabric with CE armour), a helmet and some gloves. The number of riders that I see not wearing gloves is astonishing as the first thing you'll do during 99% of crashes is to put your hands out to break your fall. I suppose each to their own, but when you consider the cost of medical treatment in the US, I find it hard to believe that American riders don't do more to protect themselves.

  • @dhtoran1
    @dhtoran1 2 роки тому +2

    Great video and great insights. Here in Spain there are also restrictions. You need 3 years riding a limited bike until you can get to a 750 - 1000cc bike, which also requires another license (+ more exams)

    • @nazzalgrylls1403
      @nazzalgrylls1403 2 роки тому

      whaaaat really aaah man but i feel its a good law

  • @JamesCouch777
    @JamesCouch777 3 роки тому +1

    I was actually reading through a thread on another channel of guys who went to buy a bike never having ridden before, and riding it home. You wouldn't believe how common it is 😳

  • @Mycatz
    @Mycatz Рік тому

    Glad a friend told me about your channel. I got into motorcycling just a few days over a year ago. My first bike was a Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sport ES. I made a huge mistake getting a bike that big was so huge and heavy I didn't even want to get on it. I bought a Ninja 400, sold it to my friend and started riding the Honda finally got used to it. But I really want to do more off road riding and focus on that for now so I sold it and got a KLX300. I won't be making the same mistakes of modding a bike before I riding it to find out what I really need like I did the Honda.
    Really like how you have a lot of videos talking about the history of certain motorcycles or what marking strategy got them popular, etc
    I at least did take the motorcycle driving safety class, but I got ahead of myself and got the bike before the class.
    I really think America should have a law in place requiring people to start on smaller bikes to increase safety and help new drivers learn and enjoy their motorcycling journey.

  • @JamesCouch777
    @JamesCouch777 3 роки тому +7

    Great content as usual. I'll make a prediction right here that your channel will be one of the biggest bike channels on UA-cam, it's already one of the best 👍

  • @mrjmorovis
    @mrjmorovis Рік тому +1

    When I was in the Army at Ft Bragg 1984-86 the troops who died on their motorcycles where almost exclusively on Kawasaki Ninja and similar bikes always going fast.
    The people who are always claiming freedom for whatever, in this case motorcycles are irresponsible people by nature because responsibility in this case would require temporary restrictions on what motorcycles new riders could have regardless of age.
    Whether helmets or bikes too powerful for a newly to use responsibly should require being an organ donor or default being an organ donor with no religious exception. A lot of people could benefit from a small group of peoples irresponsibility especially when get young organs.

  • @javiermarti_author
    @javiermarti_author 2 роки тому +2

    I think it's not only the access of riders to those machines. Other things come to mind regarding the US as well: 1) average size and weight of a car in the US. Although SUVs have become fashionable, in Europe it's not normal for a family to drive an almost literal "truck". 2) the fact that everyone can overtake you from the left or right 3) Huge trucks with long bonnets that may prevent drivers from seeing motorcycles if they get too close, or suddenly move before them (in Europe we don't use the long bonnets trucks, so trucks here have better visibility at all times).
    If we combine the factors you mention plus these ones, it all starts to make sense. I just guess that if an american truck or SUV hits you, regardless of it being your fault or not, you may not have many chances to survive. Same with the trucks. Also, you make a little driving mistake and move to the right and someone overtaking from that side runs right over you. It's strange to me, and very dangerous, that you guys can overtake from both sides.
    Despite being an experienced rider now, I wouldn't ride a bike in the highways in the US. Too dangerous. If you add to all this overworked car and truck drivers trying to get home, aggresive soccer mums drivers, people driving whilst on drugs, the general increase in the number of delivery van drivers under time pressures...of course not saying that this only happens in the US, but it's worth noting too.

  • @thenexthobby
    @thenexthobby 2 роки тому +1

    As a commenter reveals below, it takes empathy as a society to care about each other enough to provide a modicum of guidance for people you don't come into direct contact with. It's literally why societies support each other if they're to grow, but remains a frightening concept to those who believe nothing is interconnected and every circumstance is always unique.
    Regulations ultimately secure freedoms unless your view is so narrow you just don't care what happens to someone else. It's essentially impossible to know when or if a law 100% guarantees saving a person's life, and there are many people that fear any change unless they are guaranteed complete success upfront. It's not reasonable, of course.

  • @mattdog1982
    @mattdog1982 2 роки тому +2

    Good points.... however. The the laws in the UK are too restrictive. The UK is losing younger generations of motorcyclist as the expense of gaining a license has become ridiculously expensive and the wait from 16 to 24 is just too long. Kids can go and get what car they want at 17

    • @bartmotorcycle
      @bartmotorcycle  2 роки тому

      Agreed, I think that sounds like we need a balance

  • @dukiemoto8676
    @dukiemoto8676 2 роки тому +1

    Yeah I think you’re right. My Son has maybe 3,000 miles on a 300cc and 500 miles on my 890r. Of course he wanted more cc’s and faster but thank God he could only afford his 300cc. I wish he could be content with a 300cc for at least a couple seasons or so. All the best riders paid their dues on smaller bikes.

  • @MrPotatochips4
    @MrPotatochips4 2 роки тому +1

    Pilots licenses make sense to me. To fly a jet powered airplane, you start with slower less powerful planes and put in the required hours and training. Any bike over 60 bhp is similar to a jet, and a R2 is similar to a Mig 15. It's stupid to learn how to deal with a stall in a Mig 15, in traffic. It'll stall below 120 knots. Maybe there should be ejection seats for motorcycles. Might not lower the fatalities, but it would raise the stakes with dramatic flair. Thus raising the excitement factor. More to the point, it underscores the reality for a rider that they may not survive this particular ride, on this particular day, because were things to go wrong, physics takes over and being crushed by gravity does deserve a pause to consider. Which is the reality even without an ejection seat. Even on a 250 cc, which will go over 50 mph, that is the reality.

  • @dogphlap6749
    @dogphlap6749 2 роки тому +2

    Returning to motorcycling after many years driving cars exclusivly I was struck by how much power/acceleration is available on a learner legal 650cc bike (about 40hp at the rear wheel). It's a lot, or at least it is to my mind. I welcome the ABS the bike came with (I think that is an EU requirement now) and wish I had traction control too. How people can exploit the power of a litre bike on public roads amazes me.

  • @dmitrijr7065
    @dmitrijr7065 2 роки тому +2

    "don't haul ass, take it slow" #DDFM

  • @mariobernard5583
    @mariobernard5583 Рік тому

    In 2001, a year after I got my own motorcycle license, Quebec experienced one of the deadliest springs for motorcycle riders. That April and especially May, there were reports of motorcycle fatalities several times a week, sometimes every day. My own hypothesis was young new riders getting bikes that could go beyond their abilities because "I wanna really cool bike that goes fast".
    For example: Okay, so you got a fast bike. It's really easy to go fast in a straight line, and you can turn a corner easily enough when riding in an urban environment. But do you know how to go 'round a curve at 160kph/100mph? 'Cause it's just *not* the same thing, and they don't teach you that in regular driving school.
    Side note: as far as I'm concerned, all motorcycles are cool, 'cause it's a law of nature, and all of them can go fast enough to make you taste-test a tree if you try hard enough.
    Anyways, in the following couple of years the government made a lot of changes to the laws and regulations governing motorcycles. For one, Quebec restricted the size and type of bike new licencees had access to. For another, the annual cost of registering your bike was now based on its motor's displacement and its type. This made some experienced riders rather upset, as the reggies for super-sport type bikes quadrupled in price in an effort to make them less accessible to younger riders, and perhaps to reduce the number of these bikes on the road.
    As far as I know, we haven't had a comparably deadly spring since.

  • @devakrishna8030
    @devakrishna8030 3 роки тому +1

    Loved your content brother
    Because your are making a video on unanswered questions
    actually last week I literally had this question and I searched but only getting irrelevant answers
    My question is what do you think
    That an electric bike company should do to sell more bikes
    What’s lagging them
    What people actually want in ebikes
    “Of course you would say more range and more power and less cost”
    But how much is actually enough
    How much speed ,range is enough to satisfy the customers to ditch the gasoline and switch to electric and how much you think that should be priced so it’s considered reasonable
    and what ways do you think that will boost interest in young buyers?
    but I think is millennials lost interest in driving motorcycles and they prefer flights for long distances and cars for mid distance and uber for in cities
    Loved to see answers from you ❤️
    Hope your channel grows big and fast😇

  • @poltergeist3194
    @poltergeist3194 2 роки тому

    Another reason, which could coincide with the restrictive licensing of other nation vs the US, is the inner city dirt bike crews.
    Every major city within the US has a massive issue of dirt bike riders riding their most likely stolen bikes on the streets.
    Now don’t get me wrong, a lot of those riders know how to handle a bike better than I could but they are fearless in their way of riding. Most all of them are without gear other than a helmet, that probably isn’t DOT certified. They stunt the bikes through city traffic with no regard to motor vehicle laws. Plus when confronted by the police, they race through traffic to lose the cops without care for pedestrians or common city traffic. And some of these riders also are underage as well.

  • @deriousfreeman2517
    @deriousfreeman2517 11 місяців тому

    I live Germany, but I am Texas. The big noticeable difference I see here is that there is a lot of one way street. You really don't get a real good chance to just say let's goooo. Unless you the highway. In my case there really no need to get on the highway. I could walk to work if I wanted to.

  • @JC-gw3yo
    @JC-gw3yo 2 роки тому +1

    Maybe up till 18 years old, 250 cc should be max

  • @Kevin-hp5fk
    @Kevin-hp5fk Рік тому

    Ever since moving to Canada from Ireland I'm amazed how much of an unregulated hellscape a lot aspects of life are here. And Canada is a utopia compared to the US. It boggles my mind how much people in US argue against basic safety and how many elected officials should straight up be barred from office for being to stupid.

  • @greatwhiteythe2nd804
    @greatwhiteythe2nd804 Рік тому

    I started on a 400 Bandit, which I red lined everywhere I went and thought was fast. But I still shit my bricks the first time I climbed onto my CBR600. The jump in power was quite a shock to the system. Although, I was raping that poor thing for all it was worth within about two weeks... As a matter of fact, I'm busy rebuilding it for the third time right now.

  • @darthnatas953
    @darthnatas953 2 роки тому

    I advise people to start out with a dirt bike. After growing up riding dirt bikes, I started out at 20 years old with a GSXR-1100 as the first street bike I had ever ridden and owned, and it was no problem.

    • @John_Ridley
      @John_Ridley Рік тому

      I would love to but there is simply zero place to ride dirt bikes within 100 miles of where I live. Tons of public land, not an inch of it allows motorized vehicles. There is one dirt track I could pay to ride on, 50 miles away.

    • @darthnatas953
      @darthnatas953 Рік тому

      @@John_Ridley Yeah, that's too bad. When I was young I had to go an hour away to ride, so I can understand. We still did it every other weekend when it wasn't too cold to ride.

  • @pascalkargut3237
    @pascalkargut3237 3 роки тому +3

    Yes I think your right and I also think that you’ll hit 1000 subscribers by the end of the year

    • @bartmotorcycle
      @bartmotorcycle  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks yo

    • @pascalkargut3237
      @pascalkargut3237 3 роки тому +1

      @@bartmotorcycle proud supporter and always will be keep it the good work dude

  • @memyselfandi9365
    @memyselfandi9365 2 роки тому +1

    Probably dropping from S.A.D.S. after being boosted...

  • @robertadams4415
    @robertadams4415 2 роки тому +1

    You are right too much power too soon

  • @jonahhex9620
    @jonahhex9620 Рік тому

    More 125s for urban cities would be great and 400s for highway would generate interest

  • @MrPotatochips4
    @MrPotatochips4 2 роки тому

    I think you should change the title and re-issue cause 1,391 views is too few.

  • @darthnatas953
    @darthnatas953 2 роки тому

    Too many idiots in cars in the US, and a government that won't do anything to alleviate unbearable traffic.

  • @oldmanwinter63
    @oldmanwinter63 2 роки тому

    very valid point!

  • @f1georgemotogp
    @f1georgemotogp Рік тому

    I think we need to mandate training and limit cc and no sport bikes for new riders. My understanding is that a sport bike is designed to be unstable like race bikes so they'll change direction sooner. Just the instability without experience is enough make an inexperienced rider crash. There should be no new rider without a bike mentor for the first 6 mos to a year of riding.

  • @lanesaarloos281
    @lanesaarloos281 Рік тому

    "Back in the day", many more kids age 5 to12 learned to ride on tote goats , Honda 50s ..mostly in tee shirt and cutoffs..with or without shoes, crashes hurt.
    Instinctively you learned life or death limits at a young age on a 3 to 5P bike...without The

  • @mylifeinthailand8751
    @mylifeinthailand8751 Рік тому

    It could be because of using the huge Goldwing type tourers with give more comfort on longer riders.
    Riding for longer even while tired

  • @phoneticau
    @phoneticau 2 роки тому

    Even in Commirfornia nanny state there is no learner kw to kg restrictions 🤔

  • @jabbalechat7910
    @jabbalechat7910 Рік тому

    Good video...

  • @senatorjosephmccarthy2720
    @senatorjosephmccarthy2720 2 роки тому

    MAn aLIVe that RACKET is DIStracting!! Did I run over your dog?? 👎😡👎

  • @garyb2392
    @garyb2392 2 роки тому +4

    I’m not a big “regulate peoples lives cause they don’t know any better “ kind of person. What these regulations are saying is that the average person can’t make a rational decision on their own. Wearing gear makes sense but you’ll find most riders only got the minimum, a helmet. One should be rational enough to say “ I’m not ready for a Ducati panagalia “ even if They have the money for it. But some people will do what they do! I believe in a free market and if noobs have the money and willingness to buy a super bike, with zero experience, I don’t want to stop that! And I’m certainly NOT in favor of restricting that at all. One has to take responsibility for their actions…and if it gets them killed. That’s the sacrifice a society must accept for free access and free market and freedom to “pursue happiness “ as the great American Thomas Jefferson once wrote to a revolutionary document many years ago.

    • @MrPotatochips4
      @MrPotatochips4 2 роки тому

      I agree with your excellent points about the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights which are all under attack by employees of various government offices. I believe these people, who are also citizens, fellow citizens, are a big problem for us. That said, the FAA does a good job regulating aviation, and it has saved many lives. I have no problem with the system as is, so far as civil aviation goes. The Airline industry IDK. I think young motorcyclists are valuable, young men and women. I was young once, and got to be old more by luck than good sense. Fortunately I never hurt anyone but myself. It's not a matter of intelligence, it's exuberance. 7000 exuberant young men a year ded is just too many ded.

    • @garyb2392
      @garyb2392 2 роки тому

      @@MrPotatochips4 I think we’ll have to agree to disagree…death can sometimes be to cost of over exuberance…I’m willing to accept that for responsibility. I’m not into government mandated seatbelt wear or helmet wearing…I think that should be a personal choice…the consequence being don’t cry to the government if you can walk or work for the rest of your life.

    • @TravisTerrell
      @TravisTerrell 2 роки тому +1

      You'd like my state's bike laws then, ha. Can ride up to a 250cc with just a regular car driver's license, or 50cc with no license/registration/insurance of any kind. That seems fair to me. Honestly, I'm mostly opposed to graduated licenses just due to the hassle of taking multiple tests. I live in a rural area and had to drive reasonable far away (on certain days only, and during work hours) to take the normal test.
      My devil's advocate argument against your case would be that in some ways way society pays a slightly higher cost for people who ride recklessly/without proper knowledge & experience. (E.g. damage to vehicles, increased insurance costs*, burden on healthcare system, etc.)
      The overview numbers in this video are good. I'd be interested in seeing numbers for crashed vs training vs engine size vs.... Unfortunately, motorcycle safety studies are relatively uncommon, with the most referenced ones getting pretty old, now.

    • @John_Ridley
      @John_Ridley Рік тому

      The stats clearly show that a hell of a lot of people can't make rational decisions.

  • @heelbite99
    @heelbite99 2 роки тому

    you spent 8 minutes to say something that could've been said in half that time. a lot of repetition if you listen back

  • @Burritoast
    @Burritoast Рік тому +1

    Just bought a CBR 600 RR as my first road bike. Def nervous but ready for the challenge!