Hotone Ampero vs. Mooer GE250 | Battle of the mid priced modelers
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Hey guys! Alot of you asked me to make this video, so I bumped it up in the schedule. A battle of mid priced modelers! In this video I shot out the 5150, Soldano, Mesa Mark series ( 3 and 4 respectively) and the Fender Twin Reverb models.. I still have so much content to make with both the Mooer GE250 and the Hotone Ampero, but I know you all are curious how these mid tier modelers stack up against each other! Let me know your thoughts in the comments below, and also let me know what you want to see from each of these units!
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In mix with built in cab emulation: 2:00
In mix with 3rd party IR: 5:43
SOLO'd guitar section: 9:29
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Ampero wins in the amp modeling sounds. Mooer still sounds stiff/lifeless. I now own an Ampero and the GE300 and after many many hours spent on both units I must say that even with the new GE300 update and amp match and GNR files, the Ampero wins by a mile regarding amp sound and overall feel. I hope that Hotone eventually puts out a "full sized version" of the Ampero with 8 footswitches very much like the GE300. Great video as always Taylor, I appreciate the work you put in. Have a great week!
Interesting take. I like them both and think each shines in it's own way. Thanks, you too! 🙌
Just wondering. Have you tried the Tone Capture feature?
Yes, theres a video of it on my channel!
the next gen Ampero series will be Ampero Stomp(just like HX Stomp), it will be more fx quantity and support multi effect chains.
@@skwong2815 check Valeton GP-100. Its smaller and has same ir resolution of 1024pts
Both units sound excellent, but the Mooer GE250 have that "je-ne-sais-quoi" that I can't describe...more depth. I would choose the GE250 also because of the capture feature. As always your hard work is appreciated. Keep on Rocking!
😂🙏 thank you!
I've already decided that when I buy a floor processor it will be the Mooer. It is basically a $400ish Kemper loaded with all the effects I'll ever need. But the Ampero is really good too. It is definitely an exciting time to be a guitarist with all the kickass tech coming out for cheap prices.
Kemper is on another level man...
@@StringBard Perhaps, but I have my GE250 sounding EXACTLY like my Dual Rectifier and JCM900. Without having to lug those heads around. That is good enough for me.
@@TheRosswise I should try it then!
@@StringBard Keep in mind that the Kemper is actually several years old now. The thing about technology is it is constantly getting cheaper and more powerful. The Kemper came out ridiculously expensive and stayed expensive because that was brand new tech, but when you discover something amazing eventually your competitors will figure out their own twist on it. So all that being said, the GE250 might not be as far behind the Kemper as you think.
@@TheRosswise From what I heard on UA-cam, in my opinion, the Kemper is clearly superior to the GE200 (older version), or even the Helix. But I will stay tuned for further comparisons, I dont want to spend that much!
Loved the clean parts, they sounded very melancholic, and the tone was beautiful with both units.
Thanks! I dont do cleans much, so I'm glad you like it! 🙌
Thanks for another great comparison. It is another win for the Ampero in my opinion. But I love some features of the GE250 (effect loop, tone capture, parameter blend control with the expression pedal). I guess that after Ampero one (great value!) we will see a larger Ampero with more footswitches and effect loop, and scenes (multiple parameter sets per preset, like HX). This would be awesome. And hopefully better pitch shifting effects too.
That's a good guess. Hopefully they just fix the tuner!
They have opted to knock off the HX Stomp. An "Ampero Stomp" is coming May/June 2021, with full MIDI In/Out, dual signal paths, etc.
The Ampero just takes your damn head off, it's fantastic! Anybody who has a concern about the harshness, it's very easy to remove with an EQ and keep the intensity, I just find it really hard to add that intensity back with the GE250/GE200.
You bring in the custom cabs and they sound much more similar.
That opening riff with the 5150 was sick man!
🤘thanks!🤘
@@TaylorDanley Taylor 'Riffage' Danley. Brutalizing your ears one riff at a time 🤘
Nice shootout! I think I still lean towards the Ampero on sound although the Mooer sounds great as well. But having an FX loop, more footswitches and tone capture may put the GE250 above the ampero as an all rounder unit (studio and live use)
Thanks 🙌
Man. I was all set on the Mooer until listening to this. Actually, thank you! This helped a lot.
Hi Taylor, I just got my Ampero. After playing on GE250 in my local music store it seems to have very digital kind of sound so I went off with Hotone. Your vids help me with my decision anyways. Huge update in comparison to my old Boss ME-20. Probably next one will be HX Stomp or Headrush. It will be nice to see a vid on those 2. Cheers! \m/
Awesome! 🤘
Still the Ampero for me. The high end clarity, especially for that riff around 8:03 is night and day
Yes i agree on 11:55 is the same riff. The top end on the Ampero is nice where the Mooer doesnt have it
This is what I concluded with too, Ampero felt a bit more saturated and clear in the top end. The GE250 felt a bit scooped and didn't punch thru in the mix, felt like the IR was placed inside a cardboard box.
I think the Ampero is going to be easier to leave in a mix, and mix in well. with the clarity of the tone you can lower the volume and still have a good place in the mix.
I must say, the third party IRs really level the playing field between both units, but the Ampero still has the edge. Too bad it doesn't have that FX loop and extra footswitches!
If you need extra footswitches Hotone offers Cybery switcher.
Great video! Ge300 coming today. My Ampero just didn’t have enough switches or fx loop so I had to add so many pedals and cables to get tit to work in my rig. It ended up defeating the purpose. But it is a great little unit. Can’t wait for the GE300 to come.
Thanks! 🙌 awesome dude, 🤘🤘
How would you compare the tones between the two? Does one or the other feel better to play?
Great videos man. I have just ordered my GE250. Cannot wait to have it!! But I also have analog pedals to enjoy but Worlds, digital and analog. Great playing bro congrats!!
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Ok, so I'm back to wanting an Ampero :)
Taylor I really dig your videos man keep on giving us those videos
Thank you, I will! 🙌
Both great but im proud that i chose mooer ge250 ;)
The Mooer has that "mid range chewyness" that I like.
can you dial it back? using global EQ?
@@mindhormone Yes. And you can add a 5-7 db boost in the 10K range with a very low Q, and you'll sound just like the Ampero.
@@ErostheEpic thanks man!
@@ErostheEpic Game changing insight. Thank you!
Idea for a video: how similar can you make different amps sound on one device with the same IR? AKA how much the amp matters in the tone vs the cab.
Great vid mate... Amazing, thanks for taking the time and creating quality content
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This is a great video. It compares very nicely. The ampero sounds clearly and nicely. Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
Both units sounded good but to my ears the Ampero pulls a bit ahead overall...especially in the cleans which are kind of my bread and butter for what I do. I felt the Mooer’s clean tones were a little thinner and plinkier. The Ampero sounds more like a higher end modeler to me and seems to compare favorably to my 3rd Gen Fractal units and Helix series units. Great job at highlighting these two units. 👍
I owned both units. The Ampero sounds more like an amp. The Mooer reacts quicker when changing presets.
Since your familiar with both units. What would you recommend. Also I'm going to be using it running through my boss katana artist mkii. I mainly play metal but also play rock blues cleans djent. I like them both but lean to the ampero. Sounds fuller to me.any thoughts would be great.
AMPERO, more life and more 3D, better balance... but the MOOER has that mids that for certain music can be the recipe
Can anything dethrone the Ampero? What an unbelievable piece of kit for a competitive price.
For the price, i don't think so. The headrush gigboard is a beast on another level but also on another price haha
Jesus barroso riveriego Personnaly I don’t agree, Headrush is quite more expensive but the only good thing is has better than Ampero is an harmonizer, big lack on Ampero.. and also on Mooer.., I guess chinese don’t know how to harmonize..😏 Amps are really really better on Ampero, maybe only Line6 Pod Go may be better..
Great video as always. Both units sound great. I would say though the amperos stock cabs are not the best. However, download some custom irs and it takes it to another level.
Totally. Every time I think I get them dialed in, I stack it up against something else and it sounds thin and fizzy 🤷♂️
I prefer the Ampero's high gain sounds to the 250, but I liked the clean tones of the 250. I'd probably lean toward the Ampero. I never use my amp's effects loop and I don't see myself starting any time soon, so I wouldn't miss that feature.
Both units are awesome and I don't think you can go wrong with either, but I definitely believe there's a trade off between the two units. The GE 250 definitely has the edge in features, but the Ampero has the edge in tones. It just has that bite and feel with high gain tones that the Mooers don't quite have. Those riffs in the video are killer and the kind that get stuck in your head. Killer video, Taylor!
Thanks! 🙌
I like the ampero more, but the moor has some warm cleaner tones
the mooer has a Randall SS harshness while the Ampero has a more amp tubey vibe and blends better with the mix. Both are good but I prefer the Ampero tone with the custom irs
Great work !!!! According to this video, I would go with the ampero to home studio or onemanband ( V equa ) and in the other hand I would use the Mooer to band session jam ( which seems to give more mid in the mix). I would prefer the mooer as it offers the tone capture ( and also good looking ) ! but both are great for the price !!!
I own both. The Ampero not only sounds better but also has much better stomp pedals options. The Mooer has only 2 compressor options, for instance. And they are basically the same. Much more flexibility with the Ampero.
They each have their own perks. I mean the tone capture is a pretty big one for the GE250. Also, the amp selection is a bit more robust. I agree about the pedal selection though.
@@TaylorDanley I agree that the tone capture is a big plus for the Mooer, but not many people who buy these things use them to copy their own amps. Regarding the amps collection, the Mooer has it flaws as well. It doesn't feature the clean channel off the SLO100, for instance, whereas the Ampero does.
I'm sticking with my Ampero, coz I play bass and guitar.... The nice thing about Ampero is that it also works well with keyboards.... It's preamp algorithm is just on another level or a different beast all together. Plus, it sounded more RAW & open which is probably better for live situation in order to cut through the mix. GE250 sounded more refined or processed, I imagine it would only be better for recording, but I also could do that in post with Ampero
I feel the same way
I really like both of them, Ampero has a more raw sound, but it has a very digital whistle, the GE250 sounds somewhat cleaner and less digital, I would stick with GE250 for its capture and its community is adding many real Amps.
regards!
awesome review thank you Taylor for such good reviews!!!
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Have the Ampero - stunning unit, retired my amps with it.
Why on earth they didn't include an FX loop on the Ampero is beyond me! If it had one I would have already owned one for quite some time now. Currently looking at the Pod Go, seems like a decent semi budget alternative to all the units, .... and it has an effects loop!!!
Yeah, I have one coming soon (supposedly!), so I'll see when it shows up. No idea on the Ampero... manufacturing costs? 🤷♂️
To me the ge250 sounds better in the stock irs. They sound a lot closer with the custom ir but I'd still pick the ge250. Nice work as always dude. \m/
Thanks! 🙌 stock IRs in the ge250 are much improved from the 200, that's for sure!
Ampero has more spacious sound and crumbly) .I like ampero better
Stock cab IRs sound absolutely ass on the Mooer. It would have been nice to hear them compared when going directly into amp's FX loop
Please do the Pod Go vs. Either of these two
About Ampero's has more high order harmonic sound, my view is that you can cut it if you don't like. but you can't create it if it doesn't exist at all.
But to have and not need than to need and not have, roght?
Ampero is just so beautiful looking multi fx/modeller.
For me Mooer all the way. On the ampero there is some kind of high hiss. It's weird...
That "hiss" that you hear is the highs of a real speaker like a greenback.
I felt the same Taylor. The GE250 sounded more like a finalized mix, whereas the Ampero had a raw premasted tone.
Both are great, I guess it would come down to features and FX.
Sick riffin' as always!
Thanks! 🙌
Thanks for the shootout! If you had to choose one (Ampero vs GE250) for both home recording and live use, which would you choose? My initial thought is the 250 for the tone capture capabilities, what do you think?
Yeah, I'd probably lean that way for the same exact reason
I owned both. There was a fizz on the top end for most of the high gain Ampero presets that required attention to dial out whereas the GE's high gain tones often needed a bit more presence than what was modeled. It seemed with the exception of its Mesa models, all the others had that Bogner/Legacy smoothness to 'em that many will find pleasing (as did I) but not on every high gain offering minus the Boogies. It was just too frequent. In the end, after a month with both, the always expected digital "DNA" landed on my doorstep and my ears began to not enjoy the tones I was getting from either. For me, this is all too common with these budget Borg boxes. They sound great for the first month but eventually, that digital lifelessness gets me every time. I sold 'em both and went with the new Tech 21 PSA 2.0 floor unit which exceeds both the Ampero and GE when it comes to high gain tones. An all analog unit (only the save locations are digital) but of course, no bells and whistles, just killer tones so needed effects come from some still righteous Rocktron gear. 'Been playing since 1978 and have pretty much owned or tried 'em all. These multi-effects units have come a long way since Zoom's 9002, L6's Bean and Johnson's J Station (let's not forget ART's X-treme or ECC) but if it's under $1K, I still prefer units that offer analog distortion as opposed to digital. Nonetheless, these two newbs have their place and for a great many, both of them will keep you smiling for quite awhile. There's never been a better time for guitar players, technology-wise. Whatever you decide, enjoy and Taylor, this was a killer presentation. Well done.
Thanks! I agree with a lot of your points. I did notice a big difference recently using the hesher preamp to emulate a jcm800. It's just different in its response in a way modelers arent. But you're right, they've come a long way, and I think most people will be happy with them. That being said, I'd take my axefx everyday over almost anything for the sake of convenience and tone.
The mooer sound more clearer in tone to me but the ampero is a bit more aggressive but to be onest you can bosst the mooer and that's makes the run
When you added you custom IR the mooer become alot better. So I guess they should update their cabs. But anyway I like the tone on the ampero more:) but still, the sound tou got out of the mooer sounded alot like some heavily produced albums I’ve heard, so thats maybe the "mainstream metal sound"?
I always tell people that I think the ampero sounds more raw naturally, and the ge250 sounds more polished naturally.
GE250💝！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！
Really diggin your vids. All these months later whats your thoughts... not sound wise but dexterity, customer service ...availability of IR (sharing/forums) kind of the logistics side. Which would you get now knowing all these. Thanks guy keep up the content 🤙
Thanks! They're about the same in terms of customer service which it seems best to just follow their facebook groups, and both take 3rd party IR's in WAV format.
@@TaylorDanley Been out of guitar playing about 20+ years so your content is not only entertaining but very informative. Oh and I just ordered the Hotone Ampero to get me jump started back into the action. Thanks again for all your time and content. Later guy
@@oldguitarwrist Awesome! They're great. Enjoy!
Mooer seems a bit smoother but slightly muffled and compressed. Ampero has more character but a bit too much high end fizz. The sound grabs you by the balls though.
I have the Ampero and can pretty much get whatever I need out of it with some tweaking.
For the price, they are both worth owning.
Use some Ownhammer IR's with Ampero and its better than mooer and on par with top of the line processors.
basically, Ampero has great amp modeling and fx but cabs are not that great.
I personally compared them at the shop and experimented with IR's a lot at home.
Proper IR choice makes a huge difference. I wish they had more IR slots.
Seems it’s all in the IRs to me. Such a vast difference between mooer and Ampero. To me, if I was not going to purchase 3rd party iRs I would probably go with the Ampero . But the mooer does have tone capture in the 250. Probably going to stick with my hd500x and some customs irs.
what's your setup with the hd500x and custom irs? cabsim with IR loader in the fx loop of the hd500x?
mgxk1e I haven’t actually done it yet. I was thinking about using the joyo cab box r08 int he fx loop for the pod. Currently I run pod preamps through the fx return of a Blackstar artist 15. I swear, most of the preamps I use sound the same, so it’s like they say....it’s more the speaker than the preamp
Head to head I liked the ampero. It has more grit, and is more evil. But ab test is not how we enjoy the units normally... Out ears tends to settle to the overall sounds and from there it's more about how the amp reacts.
Many times the second amp sounds "worse" just because we got used the the sound of the first...
👿 interesting take. I think it can go the other way too, like the second tone sounds better because you become accustomed to the first tone.
The Ampero Eddie51 sounds like a MetalZone.
I'm thinking the ge250 is the winner.
Could you let me know the name of song? It's very cool :)
The ampero is very scooped
Как владелец Mooer 250,я хочу теперь Hotone 😎😅
Both are nice, but Hotone sounds better with stock IR's
Also there is a new version of hotone, Hotone Ampero one Mp-80 which is literally 100GBP less then a GE-250
Hotone Ampero in $300 range and Mooer GE250 $500 range. I like the sound of Ampero better so that is a win / win decision and it is portable from desktop to live use. You can't go wrong with either processor.
Hi TD... Mooer Ge250 I.R u just set just i.r n not set to tube like mooer ge250 i.r loader?
Woooow for me it's obvious ge250 gives you plenty more options!
Great comparison! Maybe you could do a video on the Fortin Cali or the new Nembrini Audio 8180? Or even a comparison between the UAD and native versions of the Brainworx plugins?
🙌 thanks! I'll look into them! Funny thing, my network card died, so all my NDSP plugins are locked because for whatever reason, ilok sees my computer with a new location I'd and thinks "this must be hackers" 🙈 so I'm off the NDSP stuff for a minute lol.
Taylor Danley 😢
@@apoplexiamusic It'll get worked out. But it does remind me why I dislike the ilok system so much
way too much 'digital fizz' on the Ampereo. Stock IR sounds better though. Cleans better on GE regardless of IR. GE250 sounded better in everyway once you used the custom IR.
I'd like to see how the tone of a GE250 and GE200 compares with the EXACT same preset/settings. Would the 250 perform better?
Check my channel, I did that a couple weeks ago! 🙌
with Custom IRs Ampero wins..Great video👏👏
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Ampero sounds fizzy
any chance you can post your presets for the ge250? didnt find them in your dropbox.
I would lean towards Ampero cause for me it clearly sounds better in your comparison, but there is one small feature I really want that Ampero doesn't have, and that is the ability to change effects for recording next loop in looper. I believe this require effects loop, which Ampero lacks. I know it may sound silly, but the way I'd like to practice this is a game changer for me.
Not silly, you need what you need for your sound!
Do you can, make a video whith leads becouse, its have more sond aspects for conpare? Thank you for the great job!
Thanks 🙌 one of these days.
Hello! Is there in Hotone Ampero a BASS-guitar emulation Effect? Thanks!
Custom IR made them both sound similar. ;)
I like the ampero tone better. Whats your guitar btw
For this one I used an Agile septor 727 with seymour duncan blackouts.
@@TaylorDanley thx
Ampero sounds better. More air around the notes and more defined.
Clean channel tone? Who are you? You're not Taylor Danley.
JK. Nice comparison as usual.
😂😂 I know, right?
and about joyo gem-box3?
I tried contacted them a while back, but no luck. I'll try again!
First time hearing the Ampero and I prefer it. Still I don't know his features tho.
Joyo Gem box 3 vs Ampero ?
What's the dsp unit like pitch shifting wise?
The stock IRs are just so different, it's hard to even say which one I prefer. I don't even know how this happens, how do you consistently make all your ir captures a lot darker/brighter given the cab, mic and mic position is being controlled by the player, not you.
The only thing I'm sure of, is that I preferred the third party IRs. They were just so much more balanced, no excess fizz or muffleness.
Is the 5150 preset available for download? It sounds brutal
Hi I'm new to these kind of pedals and I'm wondering if you use the amp and cab functions when connecting directly to the front of an amp like the peavey vypyr for instance?
Definitely not the cab if you are going through a real speaker. If you want to use the amp emulation, it will do much better if you can run it in through an effects return rather than your input as well.
@@TaylorDanley cool thanks 👍
while watching and listening i first felt if the mooer is a Ferrari the ampero is a Lamborghini, it's a beast wild and raw and i first loved it but After listening again and again i feel the mooer is more nu-metal like... Deftones' sound sober clean and elegant and it's what I'm looking for, am i right or am i deaf ? To me the ampero seems more noisy and loose and death metal like (sorry for my english), or is it just EQ and customization
I feel like the Mooer is more polished out of the box, and the Ampero is more raw. Not that you couldn't get the ampero polished, that's just the way they sound naturally
@@TaylorDanley thx a lot Taylor, so which one do u think i should but if i want to play Deftones' style energie and sounds ? And hey your video is a Real professional one, i don't know how u made it but it's quite hypnotic and deserves much more views !
Thanks! I really try not to tell people what to buy, it's super subjective! Either will do the job, I recommend just looking at your budget, checking all the specifications and let the information guide your decision!
A lot of times in these shootouts they all sound pretty much the same to me but this time it was like night and day difference. With the distorted tones the Ampero had more high end and the Mooer had more low end. On the clean tones the opposite. I think I would rather have more high end if playing live. I seen too many shows at the local clubs where you'll see a guitarist riffing like a motherfucker but you can't hear a damn thing he's playing because the bass and drums take all that low end............
I'll add one more thing. You got that Ampero tone to sound as good or better than in any of the other videos of yours I recall watching. And you've gotten some good tones out of it........
Thanks! I'm learning with the stock cabs on the ampero you need to set the mic by ear, not visually. That visual cab thing in the app is garbage lol. Also, I know it always has more high end than I think, so I've been setting it lower than I think I need to.
Awesome sir 🤪🤪🤪
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POD GO gets my vote
I almost bought the POD GO, but being limited to 4 effects at one time and having the looper take up one effect was a deal breaker for me.
what is that Custom IR?
The mooer should work for me. Got the punchy mids.
Great video but, save a few bucks and get an FM3 instead. Smokes them both. Resale will be much better so what you sink into the purchase will give you better value at the end.
Maynard! Yeah, the FM3 looks pretty amazing. To think I could have a portable axefx3 is mind blowing..
@@TaylorDanley my buddy got his, it's basically a mini ax8 but with the updated axe 3 software. It's a bargain at 1k. Crazy sh*t....
Ah man, I'll have to try it one of these days. I can imagine it's probably amazing.
Dumb question if anyone wants to give their opinion. Life happened and I got rid of almost all my gear I got over the years. I'm trying to play again but want a small setup, is there anything like this that can be just connected to a small cab or headphones and it's ready to go, no computers or anything
Both of these units as well as many other more/less expensive modellers can be connected directly to headphones. It's a great solution that will not require a computer other than to do updates if you choose to.
share your IR :)))
Ampero wins! flawless victory!
Ampero sounds better to me.
Ge250 is similar to live preamp
Ampero win
O gosto é muito pessoal, mas acho a ampero mais definido.
中音がいいなmooer
ampero e melhor cem duvida
comparison unrealistic ampero and ge250ı tried mooer isbetter
ampero sounds better, too bad it doesnt have an effects loop. so if you have a sweet sounding amp, you cant use it
That's the problem I'm facing right now while searching to decide which one I'll get. I have a 100w handbuilt Rivera 212 that sounds perfect and has a ton of headroom. I'd like to get the Ampero but the lack of FX Loop makes me think again since it wouldn't work with the Rivera pre amp.
@@mhsigrist but now you have the ampero 2 and the mx5 that have effects loop