RANGE ROVER EVOQUE INGENIUM ENGINE FAIL ! HOW BAD IS IT ?
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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2022
- in this video we strip the Range Rover Ingenium engine to find what failed. This video was filmed on our new iphone 14 pro. Every day is different at #salvagerebuildsuk and we are always on the lookout for new #projects
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Chris is the voice of reason, the sensible friend everyone should have...
There's a lot to be said about Chris' calm, methodical thinking. Great seeing the full insight into how you're both going about this fix. 👍
Got to love a cliffhanger! Will Josh be able to time it up with his special tool? Will it start? Have Rob and Chris got lucky? Find out very very soon, in the next one!
3:52 Chris is a wise man speaking very wise words. Extended service intervals are one of the biggest mistakes modern manufacturers have made. Interesting that Toyota have stuck with 10k/1 year across their range.
As someone who knows nothing about cars, watching this video was absolutely fascinating. Watching Chris's brain working is a sight to behold. Much preferred this video to a changing brakes/sanding ready for paint video personally. Thanks, gents x
I love Chris's comment at the end, "...and that way you don't break his tool". Absolutely agree with that. Josh has also given his advice, so let him earn a few £ and everyone is happy.
My Mrs loves range rover. I always say at least you will be comfy waiting for recovery.
Love them or hate them once you've had a Landy you'll want another 👍. Look forward to seeing it start after it's timed.
As always love the Sherlock Holmes piece where Rob & Chris work through what's gone wrong and how to put it right. Best car channel on UA-cam.👍👍👍
I love to watch the way you guys function together, the way you work and do a brainstorming. You are a fantastic team! Keep up the good work!
Fingers crossed for you guys
Love the channel!!
We’ve just finished our first Copart cat S car and what a lot of fun that was
thanks for the inspiration Rob and Chris
Love listening to you two "thinking out loud" as you diagnose the issues, it gives such a great insight into the thought process of a mechanic.
It's puzzling that Land Rover didn't fit the cam bolts with locking washers to prevent them coming undone. I'm a retired mechenic and I've rarely, if ever, seen a cam end bolt fitted without some kind of locking device. A tab washer, serrated locking washer, or some other device. This is shockingly bad engineering!
This is purposely bad engineering. They want these to fail.
What a joke. Im not even a mechanic to understand that. What a joke brand
The cam sprocket is rotated counter clockwise and therefore risks undoing the retaining bolt with its right hand thread. Once the drive chain from the crank wears it provides continuous ‘kicks’ via the intermediate sprocket to the top timing chain that acts to loosen the bolt and snap the location dowel on the cam sprocket. The only sure way to have circumvented this would have been to use a retaining bolt with left hand thread and a woodruff key between cam and sprocket, basically common sense engineering.
Genuinely surprised that there hasn't been a massive lawsuit against JLR for the Ingenium engine
Mine's just gone. 69k miles on the clock. 7k since last service. Discovery Sport 2.0 ingenium... every JLR specialist i've spoken to say the engine is criminal. Selling in current state to a loss of £11k. Live and learn.
There’s a saying in Australia: “if you want to drive into the bush, take a Land Rover. If you want to be able to drive out of the bush, take a Toyota Land Cruiser!”
Yeah - I have heard a variation on that - if you want to go into the bush drive a land rover if you intend coming back as well drive a toyota
@@darrenwilson8042 we have three landcruisers , one has 400,000 miles on it , it starts on half a turn and is a daily driver , 3.5 ton on the hook and you don’t know it’s there ..it is the finest 4x4 ever built ..
Yep thats correct :)
Lol
Very true. Of course the vehicle in the video is a Range Rover and apart from the Darien Gap expedition is probably best left in Chelsea or Wilmslow. As always chaps, a superb video.
Land rovers are renowned as off roaders and I reckon that’s because they spend so much time “off-road” being repaired.
loving Chris showing the real side of himself! He has grown in confidence in these videos. You both make a great team. Great channel ! My fave!
Your never going to have this problem with your Ant Chris, or a Viva.
Love how you both methodically work through it, brain storming through the possibilities to determine fault, without known fault issue but a little telephone advice to solve the issue, a little bit of luck coming your way!
I’m no mechanic and yet I’m fascinated by your skills and more, your thought processes. I watch and wish I had a brain like yours. Hats off to you gents! 👏👏👏
Chris hit the nail on the heed
Service them for the sake of 50 / 60 notes change the oil and filters
Not having any experience of these engines, I reckon your diagnosis is spot on. The bolt should hold the sprocket against the camshaft, the bolt's come loose, transferring the load to the locating pin which has then sheared. The camshaft has then stopped turning but as the engine is cranked one piston is striking the open inlet valves which push the cam lobes out of the way. Another piston then strikes its inlet valves and they push the cam lobes, rotating the camshaft out of the way. I suspect either pistons 1 & 4 or pistons 2 & 3 are 'rocking' the camshaft backwards and forwards, through a relatively narrow arc and this is the rattle you're hearing under cranking. If you're lucky, it won't have bent any valves (or done any real damage to the piston crowns). So I agree, once it's properly reassembled you might well have a running, undamaged engine. At worst I reckon it could only need a couple of new valves. Good luck!
Hello Rob and Chris, great video and I have to say excellent film quality.
Good shout on getting help.
Thanks for taking the time to upload another video. Ged
I really like having an in depth forensic session! That's where the real knowledge and experience shows👍
Subbing out the timing to Josh is also a good move as you explained!
Hope this one works out for you👍
That sprocket bolt is probably going to need a good tightening up? A bit like the crank pulley on my 1.8 tdci Mondeo, no woodruff key, just 100nm then a 180 turn, otherwise known as "Kin Tight"!
Miles better now Chris has overcome his camera shyness.....great content
Brilliant to see you both working together to figure it out. Great partnership and teamwork. All the best.
I found this video very informative, I work in the motor trade and you still learn something new everyday. Thanks for the videos. 👍
Chris is absolutely bang on about regular servicing. Look after a car and it will look after you.
Rob buy Chris a mic ......I can never here him..... great content by the way.
He’s got one
Chris is not just a master at body and mechanical repairs, but is also extremely talented at analysis and deduction. I found this very interesting as you continue through this mystery.
Thank you.
Great Diagnostics. Looking forward to the fix. See you both in the next one. 👍👍
Hi Chris/Rob, Id change the inlet camshaft and have the fella time the engine up on the new cam. If the lobes have moved due to the pistons giving the valves a tickle. Then you will not be able to get the engine to run.. Cracking Good Vid as Always...Andy
Love these kinds of videos. So interesting. Great content guys 👌🏻
Really enjoyed the video , I love listening to Chris talking his way through all the possibility scenarios as to what might of happened. Really hope you guys get lucky with this one.
Hi guys, it's great to see you cracking on with the engine diagnosis on this range rover Evoque.
I don't have I don't have a scooby what you are on about with valves up and down opening and closed but
Great one this, looking forward to the next installment. LR haters are always gonna hate, especially the ones who have never even owned one👍
A quick look in the cylinders with a borescope would soon show any damage to piston tops and/or valves. They are quite cheap now and there are also devices which plug into you phone which are even cheaper.
An enjoyable watch. Thanks for sharing.
I think what I like the most about your channel is how in sync you two seem to be, you are more like Brothers than workmates. Good luck guys...Great channel!
Interesting. Looking forward to the next one.
That's got to be worrying for owners knowing it's a common event. Blow that!
Interesting vid.
Chris thought process is priceless. Its like he talking out loud and going through possible issues..... still one of the greatests channels.....
He's a very bright guy in his understated , ruminative way.
Guys, this is a masterclass in collaborative problem solving, a joy to watch. Many thanks.
Need to get those new microphones set up! Difficult to hear Chris when he is any distance away! Please!
Bang on Chris, these extended service intervals, load of tosh. I change oil and filter at 10,000 miles max. You do 6000 miles, even better
Had a 2016 3 door Evoque as a company car. Mine was a 2 litre manual. Was a nice drive, but had plenty of dashboard lights on and off during its 3 years and 60000 miles. Great video chaps👍
Good stuff gents. I’m always amazed at Chris’s knowledge and skill.
A bit of a puzzler, but it’s interesting to see both of you going thru the investigation and discussing the various options.
Nice video again boys.
11:05 The cam wouldn't rock about like that if there wasn't any damage. I suspect a couple of spun cam lobes.
Amazing to me how Land Rover stay in business..... every one I've seen for sale has issues with this or problems with that, don't think I'll ever have the minerals to gamble my hard earned away on one....as nice as they are. Keep it up brave boys!
I've known a few folks with Freelanders, Evoques and these Sports and not one person has been complimentary about them as they have been constant garage lurkers.
I was loving the wafflin on about servicing, good points and I'd like to hear more of what you're both thinking.
Intriguing, will look forward, as always to the next chapter.👍
Great stuff gentlemen. Looking forward to microphones!
Cause: The pin on the camshaft sprocket has broken. See attached file for an example.
Action: The issue has been fixed in production at the following VINs:
• Freelander 2 / LR2 - 375956
• Evoque - 840665
A new part number is available: LR050849. These parts have a new pin material and machining changes to the camshaft sprocket body.
Time was when the worst you would expect of a land Rover were a few oil leaks. Now with engines built down to a price you cant risk owning one outside of warranty unless you are feeling lucky! What a sad state of affairs!
That's another reason why I keep watching this channel. Neither of you are scared to admit that you know what it is that you don't know and are always happy to take advice.
Great video and well done lads. We will just have to wait to see what happens.👍
Cheers Rob & Chris I am a devoted Land Rover fan BUT now I will never buy a Range Rover sport. I think I will stick to a Disco lol. I hope the Landy survives and lives to drive another day after timing. Just love listening to Chris explaining why the engine failed and the plan with the welding rods was fantastic. Thanks again for a very informative video Rob & Chris. Tom
Great as always guys, but you’re going to have to get the second mic sorted as still missing a lot of what Chris says…….love the videos and keep ‘em coming
Loved it guys
Brilliant Guys. Can't wait to see the outcome. Fingers crossed.
Mind-boggling evoke !!
Guys got to say you both took the common sense approach!! Hope it runs for you !!
Yet again fantastic video!!
Guys epic channel... honestly JLR have earned their reputation. Wouldn't have one outside despite how lovely they are to drive and sit in .
funny, chis voiced my thoughts about this, if the bolt had worked lose, then the pin snapped at start up because it was the only thing holding the sprocket in place, then the cam would be free to rotate when pushed by the followers.......... so fingers crossed..........there may be no other damage ??.......... good luck ! 👍😃
has to be said, its a poor design...... if it had been keyed it would continue to turn even with a loose bolt ?🤔
Fascinating watch. My Mrs wants to upgrade her 2012 Evoque to the face lift. Going to talk her out of it after watching this. Looking forward to see if you fix it in the next video.
Very interesting just to listen to the thought processes here and I think you have made the right decision to get Josh to come and reset the engine. Look forward to this being sorted in the next video. Cheers guys, great stuff.
Thumbs up if you would drive over 100 mile just to get a service off Chris n Rob 😂👍
I'd really like to see a quick 5-10 minute video explaining your backgrounds. You seem to both have a vast well of knowledge! Might be interesting for others as well. I've been watching the channel for a couple years now and always wondered where you got the skills to do all this stuff! :)
Yes I would to love to see that.. 🙂
Rob n Chris you are spot on about long service intervals they don't do a vehicle any favours 👍old school regular maintenance is best. Great content as usual guy's 😊
Really interesting looking forward to seeing the outcome
We used Series Land Rovers in the army. They got absolutely hammered and came back for more. Now LR engines are made by Cadbury.
Cadbury was carved up and is now Polish .... and tastes unlike Cadbury's.
Cadbury,large on packaging small on contents..
Rob do you have an inspection scope ? Can you peek into the cylinders and see if there’s any damage to the top of the piston(s)
Love 💘 the deep investigation work , the wealth and depth of Dr Chris and his knowledge holds no bounds !!!! Brilliant
Just so brilliant to watch ...
A great video Rob and Chris
Struggling to hear Chris tonight Rob ?
The only way to buy an Evoque is one with the PSA 2.2 HDI engine
Exactly.
Yet another very interesting and very informative video . Well done guys keep em coming ...
Great job guys am always intrigued as to what the issues are with any vehicle you repair look forward to the next one
Great video very interesting
Land Rover, like Rover before them to be fair, make a great product, it's just the quality control is terrible. I was once talking to an auto electrician who worked full time at JLR snagging cars. The main fault he dealt with was self tappers through wiring looms. So yeah, that loose bolt doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Totally agree with service intervals. It used to be so many thousand miles or so many months whichever came first. I apprenticed in a small workshop like yours and loved the regular trade of servicing anything from Austin A30's and Ford Anglia's to XJ6's and various eras of Rover 3.5 v8's. Should have stayed in the trade but programming computers was incredibly exciting and lucrative in the early eighties.
Loved the video. As an LR owner, I'm always interested in the inner workings of these beasts. I have an LR2 2008, and our mechanic here, who only does Land Rovers, tells me he's never replaced the Volvo engine inner car model, and that they go for about 400K. Not so with the other versions, including the Ingenium, apparently.
I know a fella who has done more that 10 of these and the main problem is the upper timing chains stretches and puts the cam out of sync leading to your problem
Exactly the main problem, well put.
Kia having massive issues at min with Sportage models, just at our site we have 20 customers 2022 cars recovered in as non runners and trashed engines! There are dozens more at many other dealers up and down the country!
Many thanks, brilliant video, good luck.
Really interested to see what josh says is going on with the engine one of those head scratchers but soon we will find out what has happened can't wait for the next one & the we found the problem great video Rob & Chris 👍👍👍
Love the videos but..... I definitely think you need to get chris a bluetooth mic we cant here what he is saying. Keep up the good work guys.
great video -- the RR's are the original marmite thing -- love em or hate em
Great analysis and narration from Chris on this one, many thanks.
My brother owned an Austin Metro over 30 years ago and it was a very problematic vehicle, it broke down a lot and parts were very expensive. British vehicles have a bad reputation not always deserved, I know a happy owner of a 2012 Land Rover Freelander and he is delighted with it, you should not always get carried away by the reputation of a manufacturer, I also know another owner of an Audi A5 who had countless problems with the car just bought at an official dealer, I think it's a matter of good or bad luck. Greetings from Spain, thanks for entertaining us with your work, it's great.
If you need any technical information let me know, I work for JLR (tech) can also get you cost price parts if needed
More cliffhangers than an episode of Inspector Morse.
This has to be in the top three channels on my you tube, thanks guys
Fascinating to watch you both work out the problem. It's a lovely car and you'll make sure it lives again.
Just assume the cam lobes have moved, and stick a new camshaft in while it's apart?
A lot of head scratching on this one guys, hopefully josh can help out with the timing and that’ll help with the diagnosis, really interesting this one guys
Great work guys, I love watching your videos. Keep up the good work
Another Great Video Gents -
I like these ones…….the mechanical interrogation work…….an the electrical ones too……as well as all the body work…..
They’re all good news basically……
Still my favourite tele…….👍
Owned four. Never a problem. Changed the oil every 7500 miles. Maintenance is everything.
after what mileage did you sell them?
@@zvzz1543
Between 41,000 and 61,000. However, 2 of them to mates who went on to run both to more than 100,000 miles. The only issue was a recall for a fuel rail o ring on 2 of them. I do hear horror stories from other people though so don’t doubt when they go wrong it’s painful on the credit card. I
If cars didn’t have any problems, there wouldn’t be a Chris and Rob to fix them…
Great vid Rob & Chris!
I wouldn’t put it back together completely. Time it up then compression test it. Give you an idea if you have any bent valves before you bolt it all together. Nice vid thanks for sharing 👍🏼