RANGE ROVER EVOQUE INGENIUM ENGINE FAIL ! HOW BAD IS IT ?
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- in this video we strip the Range Rover Ingenium engine to find what failed. This video was filmed on our new iphone 14 pro. Every day is different at #salvagerebuildsuk and we are always on the lookout for new #projects
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Chris is the voice of reason, the sensible friend everyone should have...
There's a lot to be said about Chris' calm, methodical thinking. Great seeing the full insight into how you're both going about this fix. 👍
Got to love a cliffhanger! Will Josh be able to time it up with his special tool? Will it start? Have Rob and Chris got lucky? Find out very very soon, in the next one!
3:52 Chris is a wise man speaking very wise words. Extended service intervals are one of the biggest mistakes modern manufacturers have made. Interesting that Toyota have stuck with 10k/1 year across their range.
I love Chris's comment at the end, "...and that way you don't break his tool". Absolutely agree with that. Josh has also given his advice, so let him earn a few £ and everyone is happy.
As someone who knows nothing about cars, watching this video was absolutely fascinating. Watching Chris's brain working is a sight to behold. Much preferred this video to a changing brakes/sanding ready for paint video personally. Thanks, gents x
Love them or hate them once you've had a Landy you'll want another 👍. Look forward to seeing it start after it's timed.
As always love the Sherlock Holmes piece where Rob & Chris work through what's gone wrong and how to put it right. Best car channel on UA-cam.👍👍👍
My Mrs loves range rover. I always say at least you will be comfy waiting for recovery.
I love to watch the way you guys function together, the way you work and do a brainstorming. You are a fantastic team! Keep up the good work!
Chris hit the nail on the heed
Service them for the sake of 50 / 60 notes change the oil and filters
loving Chris showing the real side of himself! He has grown in confidence in these videos. You both make a great team. Great channel ! My fave!
Your never going to have this problem with your Ant Chris, or a Viva.
Chris is absolutely bang on about regular servicing. Look after a car and it will look after you.
Chris thought process is priceless. Its like he talking out loud and going through possible issues..... still one of the greatests channels.....
He's a very bright guy in his understated , ruminative way.
It's puzzling that Land Rover didn't fit the cam bolts with locking washers to prevent them coming undone. I'm a retired mechenic and I've rarely, if ever, seen a cam end bolt fitted without some kind of locking device. A tab washer, serrated locking washer, or some other device. This is shockingly bad engineering!
This is purposely bad engineering. They want these to fail.
What a joke. Im not even a mechanic to understand that. What a joke brand
The cam sprocket is rotated counter clockwise and therefore risks undoing the retaining bolt with its right hand thread. Once the drive chain from the crank wears it provides continuous ‘kicks’ via the intermediate sprocket to the top timing chain that acts to loosen the bolt and snap the location dowel on the cam sprocket. The only sure way to have circumvented this would have been to use a retaining bolt with left hand thread and a woodruff key between cam and sprocket, basically common sense engineering.
Had a 2016 3 door Evoque as a company car. Mine was a 2 litre manual. Was a nice drive, but had plenty of dashboard lights on and off during its 3 years and 60000 miles. Great video chaps👍
Hi Chris/Rob, Id change the inlet camshaft and have the fella time the engine up on the new cam. If the lobes have moved due to the pistons giving the valves a tickle. Then you will not be able to get the engine to run.. Cracking Good Vid as Always...Andy
Genuinely surprised that there hasn't been a massive lawsuit against JLR for the Ingenium engine
Mine's just gone. 69k miles on the clock. 7k since last service. Discovery Sport 2.0 ingenium... every JLR specialist i've spoken to say the engine is criminal. Selling in current state to a loss of £11k. Live and learn.
That's got to be worrying for owners knowing it's a common event. Blow that!
Interesting vid.
I’m no mechanic and yet I’m fascinated by your skills and more, your thought processes. I watch and wish I had a brain like yours. Hats off to you gents! 👏👏👏
A quick look in the cylinders with a borescope would soon show any damage to piston tops and/or valves. They are quite cheap now and there are also devices which plug into you phone which are even cheaper.
I really like having an in depth forensic session! That's where the real knowledge and experience shows👍
Subbing out the timing to Josh is also a good move as you explained!
Hope this one works out for you👍
That sprocket bolt is probably going to need a good tightening up? A bit like the crank pulley on my 1.8 tdci Mondeo, no woodruff key, just 100nm then a 180 turn, otherwise known as "Kin Tight"!
Love listening to you two "thinking out loud" as you diagnose the issues, it gives such a great insight into the thought process of a mechanic.
Bang on Chris, these extended service intervals, load of tosh. I change oil and filter at 10,000 miles max. You do 6000 miles, even better
Chris is not just a master at body and mechanical repairs, but is also extremely talented at analysis and deduction. I found this very interesting as you continue through this mystery.
Thank you.
Amazing to me how Land Rover stay in business..... every one I've seen for sale has issues with this or problems with that, don't think I'll ever have the minerals to gamble my hard earned away on one....as nice as they are. Keep it up brave boys!
I've known a few folks with Freelanders, Evoques and these Sports and not one person has been complimentary about them as they have been constant garage lurkers.
11:05 The cam wouldn't rock about like that if there wasn't any damage. I suspect a couple of spun cam lobes.
We used Series Land Rovers in the army. They got absolutely hammered and came back for more. Now LR engines are made by Cadbury.
Cadbury was carved up and is now Polish .... and tastes unlike Cadbury's.
Cadbury,large on packaging small on contents..
Great stuff gentlemen. Looking forward to microphones!
Guys epic channel... honestly JLR have earned their reputation. Wouldn't have one outside despite how lovely they are to drive and sit in .
I'd really like to see a quick 5-10 minute video explaining your backgrounds. You seem to both have a vast well of knowledge! Might be interesting for others as well. I've been watching the channel for a couple years now and always wondered where you got the skills to do all this stuff! :)
Yes I would to love to see that.. 🙂
Rob buy Chris a mic ......I can never here him..... great content by the way.
He’s got one
I'm on my 2nd evoque, love it to bits , first was 2012 but I didn't want the 2.0 ingenium engine ( warned against it buy my landrover guy )so I got in just as they were running out the 2015 dynamics at a discount ( never heard of before) original body shape but loaded with all the extras and the tried and tested 2.2 Peugeot/Ford diesel ( thrashed to death in many a transit van and still goes on and on) but this was the best bit , they ran out of 6speed auto boxes so fitted the new 9speed auto box ! So smooth and my economy 43/gallon. Love it . Just a quick tip for fun....engage sand setting, sport mode, manual paddle shift, traction off then hit the gas at the lights and watch the children still at the lights in the rear view mirror. Pretty good for a fuddyduddy diesel. Oh hang on to the wheel and don't do it for long periods ........
Need to get those new microphones set up! Difficult to hear Chris when he is any distance away! Please!
That's another reason why I keep watching this channel. Neither of you are scared to admit that you know what it is that you don't know and are always happy to take advice.
Great video and well done lads. We will just have to wait to see what happens.👍
funny, chis voiced my thoughts about this, if the bolt had worked lose, then the pin snapped at start up because it was the only thing holding the sprocket in place, then the cam would be free to rotate when pushed by the followers.......... so fingers crossed..........there may be no other damage ??.......... good luck ! 👍😃
has to be said, its a poor design...... if it had been keyed it would continue to turn even with a loose bolt ?🤔
Interesting. Looking forward to the next one.
Time was when the worst you would expect of a land Rover were a few oil leaks. Now with engines built down to a price you cant risk owning one outside of warranty unless you are feeling lucky! What a sad state of affairs!
Totally agree with service intervals. It used to be so many thousand miles or so many months whichever came first. I apprenticed in a small workshop like yours and loved the regular trade of servicing anything from Austin A30's and Ford Anglia's to XJ6's and various eras of Rover 3.5 v8's. Should have stayed in the trade but programming computers was incredibly exciting and lucrative in the early eighties.
Owned four. Never a problem. Changed the oil every 7500 miles. Maintenance is everything.
after what mileage did you sell them?
@@zvzz1543
Between 41,000 and 61,000. However, 2 of them to mates who went on to run both to more than 100,000 miles. The only issue was a recall for a fuel rail o ring on 2 of them. I do hear horror stories from other people though so don’t doubt when they go wrong it’s painful on the credit card. I
Oil changes are not stopping that cam bolt from coming loose. Threadlocker at assembly might tho.
I know a fella who has done more that 10 of these and the main problem is the upper timing chains stretches and puts the cam out of sync leading to your problem
Exactly the main problem, well put.
Love these kinds of videos. So interesting. Great content guys 👌🏻
Intriguing, will look forward, as always to the next chapter.👍
There’s a saying in Australia: “if you want to drive into the bush, take a Land Rover. If you want to be able to drive out of the bush, take a Toyota Land Cruiser!”
Yeah - I have heard a variation on that - if you want to go into the bush drive a land rover if you intend coming back as well drive a toyota
@@darrenwilson8042 we have three landcruisers , one has 400,000 miles on it , it starts on half a turn and is a daily driver , 3.5 ton on the hook and you don’t know it’s there ..it is the finest 4x4 ever built ..
Yep thats correct :)
Lol
Very true. Of course the vehicle in the video is a Range Rover and apart from the Darien Gap expedition is probably best left in Chelsea or Wilmslow. As always chaps, a superb video.
Cause: The pin on the camshaft sprocket has broken. See attached file for an example.
Action: The issue has been fixed in production at the following VINs:
• Freelander 2 / LR2 - 375956
• Evoque - 840665
A new part number is available: LR050849. These parts have a new pin material and machining changes to the camshaft sprocket body.
Land rovers are renowned as off roaders and I reckon that’s because they spend so much time “off-road” being repaired.
Brilliant to see you both working together to figure it out. Great partnership and teamwork. All the best.
Great as always guys, but you’re going to have to get the second mic sorted as still missing a lot of what Chris says…….love the videos and keep ‘em coming
Really interesting looking forward to seeing the outcome
Struggling to hear Chris tonight Rob ?
Hello Rob and Chris, great video and I have to say excellent film quality.
Good shout on getting help.
Thanks for taking the time to upload another video. Ged
Rob do you have an inspection scope ? Can you peek into the cylinders and see if there’s any damage to the top of the piston(s)
The first brand new car I ever owned was a facelift range rover vogue 'L' reg 1994. I have to be honest and say it spent most of its first 12months back with Landrover having repairs. There wasn't one part that wasn't touched by some fault or other, and can understand the comments by others that probably have suffered the same fate. However, the next six years were relatively trouble free motoring. Interesting to watch about these latest models, and love Chris's new purchase.
Love the videos but..... I definitely think you need to get chris a bluetooth mic we cant here what he is saying. Keep up the good work guys.
Good stuff gents. I’m always amazed at Chris’s knowledge and skill.
A bit of a puzzler, but it’s interesting to see both of you going thru the investigation and discussing the various options.
Nice video again boys.
If you need any technical information let me know, I work for JLR (tech) can also get you cost price parts if needed
I had a '98 Discovery Aviemore diesel in BRG. The five cylinder engine was strong, reliable and economical. It was used to haul a family of five and a caravan around Europe and never missed a beat.
It is the car that I have the most fond memories of. Wish I'd kept it but hindsight is a wonderful thing!
Thumbs up if you would drive over 100 mile just to get a service off Chris n Rob 😂👍
An enjoyable watch. Thanks for sharing.
Classic comment .... " Drives lovely when there going " .... Fantastic.
Must be a bad sign when you praise a vehicle's reliability in month's , and at best, nearly two years.... In the ten years I had my old 1997 Toyota Rav 4 it broke down once, when the water pump collapsed and jammed the belt, but being a non interference engine it was soon back on the road, and it was that straight forward I put a new pump and belt on myself.
A great video Rob and Chris
Just assume the cam lobes have moved, and stick a new camshaft in while it's apart?
A Land Rover with only Two wheel drive is like a Jam Doughnut with no jam in it.
A lot of head scratching on this one guys, hopefully josh can help out with the timing and that’ll help with the diagnosis, really interesting this one guys
Whip the caps off and make sure the cam hasn’t snapped and it’s just friction turning the two halves
More cliffhangers than an episode of Inspector Morse.
Great to see you both working through the conundrum 👍. Remember when Chris didn’t like being on camera? No disrespect Rob, but since Chris put himself up alongside you the channel has improved, in my view. Keep it up.
Jaguar/land Rover products look like nothing else on the road and have more presence(ts) than Santa. They just need to bring reliability up a cog (pardon the pun) and they will have the market cornered.
I found this video very informative, I work in the motor trade and you still learn something new everyday. Thanks for the videos. 👍
You need to sort Chris with a microphone, I couldn’t watch it entirely unfortunately 😥
When you turned it over, the cam didn't move. So i think the lobes have moved to a position where all valves can be closed. If it was rocking backwards and forwards like Chris said, you should have seen it do that when you cranked it.
My dad had the 2.2 diesel auto new in 2013, he never had any issues in it in the 4 years he had it and did about 40k miles
The 2.2 TDi engine is the only reliable Jaguar diesel engine. Stay away from the 2.0ltr, the 2,7 and 3.0 ltr versions. Failed DPF regenerations plague the 2.7 and 3.o ltrs which put diesel fuel into the sump causing the big end and main bearing to seize and spin around inside the con rod and mains shell housing.
The 2.2 is a Ford engine 👍😂
It’s just like being in the workshop with you guys , it’s a happy place for most people I’m sure .
Great video as ever, but the microphone issue needs resolving asap as we can’t hear half of what Chris says.
Great work by you two on the Range Rover waiting for the next video.
The only way to buy an Evoque is one with the PSA 2.2 HDI engine
Exactly.
I was thinking before, the cam quality isn't important, as the taste of the food is better than presentation, but guys, the video is awesome. Now sort the sound haha!!!
Rob...
Please give Chris a mic.....
The lady of the house is cleaning all the time and I can't hear "the expert" 💪
Cheers Rob & Chris I am a devoted Land Rover fan BUT now I will never buy a Range Rover sport. I think I will stick to a Disco lol. I hope the Landy survives and lives to drive another day after timing. Just love listening to Chris explaining why the engine failed and the plan with the welding rods was fantastic. Thanks again for a very informative video Rob & Chris. Tom
In my opinion and owner experience anything with Rover in the name i have avoided for years, is it a snob value?
Very well explained,on assembly I would put a dash of thread lock on the bolt or a spring washer"
You know what guys, we was looking for an Evoque for 6mth or so, looking at the forums it totally put us off, issue after issue after issue, a lot of hassle for the kudos of a L.R badge, look nice but hellfire the hassles they suffer is not acceptable IMO.
My family is a JLR family and they are all crap, defenders, RR, jaguar. Get a Ford or jap 4x4 instead lol
Really interesting video today lads, working out the sequence of failures is always the key to the repair. Bet you’ve got Josh on speed dial on this one gents 👍👍
So you have a Range Rover with a blown engine and a Reliant Ant which needs a body.... Here comes the RAnt Rover! Rangeys have never been as reliable as people somehow think they should be. A bloke called Toyoda recognised this but I don't know what happened to him.
We very nearly bought a 69 plate RANGE ROVER EVOQUE with 19k miles and I am very pleased we decided to buy a Toyota instead as I used to be in the motor trade and something kept on telling me that it could cost me more money than its worth, hence we backed out of it.
the idea that range rovers aren't more unreliable than alternatives is ridiculous
Or less reliable overall?
I think what I like the most about your channel is how in sync you two seem to be, you are more like Brothers than workmates. Good luck guys...Great channel!
Hi guys, it's great to see you cracking on with the engine diagnosis on this range rover Evoque.
I don't have I don't have a scooby what you are on about with valves up and down opening and closed but
Wouldnt it be a good idea to mark the lobes in their correct positions at manufacture so you could see if they had moved, or is that too obvious😂
Phil
Must be the same guy at landrover fitting these on a friday 🤣
Great video again boys.
Fingers crossed you get lucky with an easy fix , Josh will sort it 👍
Probably design the cams that way to prevent damage in the event of timing chain snaps??
Great Diagnostics. Looking forward to the fix. See you both in the next one. 👍👍
Guys love the videos but Rob, buy Chris a new jumper or get him one for Christmas.
I was loving the wafflin on about servicing, good points and I'd like to hear more of what you're both thinking.
Those Ingenium engines are a bag of spanner’s
All modern engines that have gone back to single row chains seem to be a bag of spanners. And as for putting the chain behind the flywheel at the back of the engine I despair.
@@mikefarrar8071 A lot to be said for an old fashioned timing belt that can be changed every 2-3 years
jaguars older 3.0d and 2.7d v6 were much better engines even the 2.2d in my x type is still going strong after 14 years
@@dazspurs9899 The Ford 2.2 Duratorq ZSD-422 in the X-Type was a tough unit also found in the Defender and Transit but it was deemed not economical enough and not up to modern emission standards. Hence they replaced it with the Ingenium rubbish.
@@skimmingstoness I agree I won't buy a Jag with that ingeium engine even though I would love an XE to replace my x type,I'll go with the xf 3.0d v6
Chris could have been a surgeon in another life !! 👍
Is the dowel not a shear pin i.e. a mechanical fuse that breaks and protects other components against breakage.
Loved the video. As an LR owner, I'm always interested in the inner workings of these beasts. I have an LR2 2008, and our mechanic here, who only does Land Rovers, tells me he's never replaced the Volvo engine inner car model, and that they go for about 400K. Not so with the other versions, including the Ingenium, apparently.
Neighbour has one of those, been sat at dealer 2 months waiting for an engine. Engine not due until January. Dealer has given her a rental as they don't have any loaners, too many dead Evoques in the yard. Junk.