I think the thing that isn't highlighted here is the headshot multiplier. All the SMG's get 1.2x damage while the PDW's get 1.5x. So 42 damage to the head really improves the TTK, but it also balances the gun out. That's why it absolutely feels insane when you're hitting your shots.
Really weird how the devs decide to nerf extended mags with bad running speed, ads time and reload speed. Meanwhile they have a 50 round pdw with similar running speed to smgs and good reload time. They need to make extended mags more viable on other weapons and decrease reload speed on the p90.
It's also fine for the P90 to just be powerful. It's a flanking and ambush gold weapon for me, I think it's very powerful but not OP. Like you said, slow the reload a bit and the also sloe velocity generally balances the rest. The low velocity is the bigger issue to fight with for me, it means you sometimes lose fights because your bullets are too slow and you need to learn to lead it. For this reason it's only really powerful if you use it for it's intended purpose, so skilled players are rewarded. This is a good thing in an FPS to have because it feels great and can be countered if you recognise the sound and spray then act accordingly.
i really think they should buff extended mags instead of nerfing the p90, currently i think a lot of guns would be so much better if they had viable higher magazines, guns like the honey badger and AS val are just so lacking because of their extended mags being horrible, idk i come from games like 2042 or tarkov which constantly have higher mags with small downsides compared to the advantages and i’m surprised how much they disincentivize running them in this game
imo magsize alone makes it op for most game modes where other guns struggle simply because you won't be able to easily take out 3-5 guys with a single mag like the P90/Vector can
@@DerRofflers I know. I was just challenging your logic a little. I don't personally think the P90 is OP. The uptime is great but that alone doesn't make it OP. To kill 3+ people with a mag you need to have great game sense and some luck as well since the TTK isn't anything insane you basically need to be shooting people in the back to take advantage of the large mag size, otherwise you get mowed down by stronger weapons.
@@Remu-I rate mag size highly considering all the times I died while reloading or being like 1-2 bullets short to secure a kill, plus you lose momentum while pushing/flanking when you have to retreat behind cover to reload (basically giving the enemy time to locate and swarm you). I'm sure we would see more AR play too if extended mags weren't so punishing. I only play 127v127 though so maybe it's not such a big advantage in other modes, generally I think SMGs/PDWs are overtuned though.
I don’t think it’s as OP as the prenerf vector but I also don’t think the P90 is in need of a nerf and more of other things need adjustments. ARs are good but still beaten by SMGs 90% of the time, DMRs are horrendous, and LMGs are fun but slow. So that just leaves the meta guns and rush kind of play styles and makes the P90 really good.
Its the confidence boost you get from using the gun, you know instead of a 50/50 chance its now a 60/40 or even 70/30 that your winning and for some reason your game sense increases when running it. Gun really makes you play different and the amount of mags/ammo you get is honestly iirc its 450 to 500. just nutty.
I use this exclusively with a suppressor. The reason this gun is not op, is the velocity and higher ttk than others. You trade off outright lethality of other guns, for quality of life with the mag size/reload speed. I don't think this gun needs a nerf but it is probably #1 for smg/pdw Edit: The issue is with the other guns. SMGs need less downside when using extended mags. Also some SMGs have just ridiculously slow reload speeds. The MP7 for example to me is extremely slow to the point where its not realistic. Some guns need a buff, like the PP2000 is hot garbage, the honey badger needs a slight buff. The ASVAL also needs much less downside with extended mag. The ScorpionEvo is hot garbage but if its recoil was buffed a lot it would just be oppressive like the vector.
Even thought i'm like 20 levels away form the P90, i'd still prob go back to old reliable mp7 or mp5. Were the 2 main guns I've loved on medic alot so would prob just use P90 as a sub from time to time. Hope to see a settings video in the future, and best of luck on making content. o7
I really like the p90 except it can be tough at longer ranges to control and hit enough shots even with yuge clips. Mp5 does not have the same range issues but has smaller clip size so kinda depends on situation a bit but i do agree p90 clip size and time to kill is big combo that allows 3-4 kills per clip if you're in position
Definitely wouldn't call it op. It is one of the worst ttk, so you can easily outplay it. But it also has huge mag, which make it great. Overall I would say it is well balanced.
It's the easiest gun together with the m4 and the mp5. If you want to talk OP you have to look at the FAL and the Scorpion EVO. If you learn to handle those guns it's insane. Scorpion EVO is 4 shots to the chest or 3 to the head at 1200 RPM, FAL is 2 shoots to the head or 3 to the chest at 650 RPM.
The only issue with it is the reload time, its way too good (I dont want it to be nerfed, I like using guns that are not ass) Otherwise it feels like what the smgs should be: great up close and terrible (in this case due to horizontal recoil) at a distance
I think the P90 and the DMR of BBR are representative of the identity crisis the game still has regarding "what kind of game it wants to be" in the long run. Is it more akin to a COD/Battlefield or is it more akin to a Red orchestra / Hell let loose. Where some of the design of the game are clearly made toward a team based, tactical-ish careful approach, and the other is more fast passed, left-right leaning spamming, sprint jumping in circles, room rushing kind of play. I think the dominant strategies will lead the game leaning toward the latter if the devs do not make the decision themselves. As it seems to be the overall more efficient way to get positives K/D ratios, and as player are getting better and wiser to the game mechanics with time. So yeah ... depending on what the game will end up becoming, the P90 is either OP, or the standard every guns in the game should follow. Personally when I indulge in some P90 relaxation, the only gun I seems to be dying to consistently when clearing buildings in a run and gun style is the Groza.
Its not OP but it is probably one of the strongest weapons in the game, what keeps it from being OP is that it has a bad TTK and is relatively bad at range, any decent AR, LMG or the Mp5/Mp7 will win the mid range fight. But i do think the reload speed for how much ammo it has is a problem, it needs to have a longer reload time (maybe less mags as well?) and then I would say its fairly balanced. A good example of an OP gun is the FAL, which I would like if you talked about it in a vid in the future :) But yeah the FAL has it all pretty much, insanely fast TTK (can 2 shot people even), decent fire rate and very easy to tap fire to make it into a DMR for longer ranges. The huge recoil on it isn't even too big of an issue as I commonly find myself getting kills at 100+ meters away even when spraying since you only need to land a couple of bullets. Either way, good video Wong, I really enjoy the insight you give with these videos as you cover a lot of the bases that no other youtubers do.
Crazy how everyone thinks the meta is a single gun at a time, when the meta was always fire rate + magazine size. All they need to do - all they EVER had to do - was nerf the bullet accuracy of SMGs (increase spread pattern size).
IMO, the up-time makes it feel OP, but stat wise for me the horizontal recoil is horrid. Sure, its great for CQC and some mid-range engagements, but if I want a point and click adventure, I'd choose the mp5 over it.
I can't say for certain if it's OP, but to me it felt way easier to get a good k/d with than any other gun. Even easier than the vector pre-nerf. Sticking with my favorite ARs because I don't like feeling dirty lol
Absolutely astounding that another high ROF, high capacity, sub machine gun filled the void the vector nerf left behind! Didn't see it coming! Jokes aside reload time kills me in this game. Combat is very quick but my dude is fumbling around for 3-4 seconds reloading an M4. I don't want reloads to be too fast but some guns definitely feel glacially slow for their class and how many rounds they have.
I think it’s just a little bit too much stronger compared to other guns. For most players the fact that the p90 would suit them better over a ton of other guns you mentioned suggests it’s slightly too powerful. Also, if you’re already that distracted by game chat you should be prepared for twitch chat if you try out streaming 😂 (which I hope you do!)
It's 100% OP, you literally said it's good at everything. No gun should be good at everything. Low recoil. High RPM. Quicker Movement, Large Magazines, Insane Reload. No other gun comes even close to what the P90 has without drawbacks.
Wouldn't call it op at all but its a nutty force multiplier, if a player with good game sense and aim is using it, things a fucking monster. Unlike the vector that was kind of just great no matter who used it.
P90 really only needs a reload nerf. Tested it a couple of times and found its ranged potential to be quite limited, or at least difficult to control. Everything else is strong, but not necessarily overpowered. Only part that's over-the-top is the great reload, which is nuts since P90 has a 50 round mag. Either we nerf the reload or we nerf the TTK. Nerfing the TTK is only a route if we desperately want the P90 to fulfill the niche of high uptime.
I'm not good at battlebit, but I think the p90 is interesting. Outside of the magazine capacity - the accuracy, recoil, damage, rof all look fair. Getting killed by it doesn't feel like bullshit because its TTK stats and handling are not crazy. No matter how many people are playing, all fights are just a 1v1 because either I get them or they get me. It really doesn't matter if my opponent has killed 0 people or 99 people before we fight - I only experience my win or loss. Where the p90 could be op is that it's good for its first and second fight before reload; but realistically can take on a third or fourth opponent before reload. Most other guns with 20-30 round magazine are good for fighting 2 people in a row, but a third person becomes harder. All other guns with big mags have some kind of penalty like movement speed for support, or accuracy + handling nerfs for big drum mags... except the p90 therefore it's an outlier. It doesn't feel bad to lose to it, because I had a fair chance in the 1v1. At the same time it is clearly the best for taking on a large groups; that's how it can be both op but not feel frustrating to play against.
I enjoy the P90, I do think that there is something a bit too much about it, but I can’t say what objectively. While the ammo thing is nice, it still doesn’t account why I personally find it better in combat in one vs one scenarios.
I have not done a deep look, but at the moment I would say the glock and the mp443 are the next best choices, and the unica and rsh currently suffer because the extra damage they provide is negligible
Honestly if it got the Vector damage falloff treatment it would still be a great gun. Maybe a personal thing but I feel that all ARs should be outclassing SMG class weapons at medium ranges almost every single time. Right now they feel like a coin flip.
Big love bro, always see you in game but dont wanna seem like a fangirl. I. Did say "got ya good ya dog" when i finnaly got one on you but i promise it's all love 😊 also what's your thoughts on stretched ratio?
My next video I am dropping tomorrow goes into this, but I will say now that I think it's benefits are good, but similar effects are found if you set FOV to 60, no shade on stretched res though, alot of the best players I know play stretched
Poor h-recoil and TTK vs the other top performers means head to head you can definitely loose at any range. Instead it allows for better positioning and uptime, especially important for big servers. I see it a lot less often in rush servers where its advantages are less valuable. Seems balanced to me.
it feels good to use but not nearly as oppresive as when using the pre nerf vector or even some other guns like the fal I wouldn't say it's op I would just say it's very good.
Great video as always Wong. Agree with your opinions on this. I don't think it's particularly OP as there are guns in the same category that kill just as quick or quicker at both short and medium range; I find it's frustrating to die to (and by extension why it's seen as OP) because of that uptime, especially in close quarters. Frustrating when your mag is dry and the enemy who turned the same corner as you still has another 30 rounds left.
Yeah I do default binds, I played low level proleague for Rainbow Six back in the day so I have had lots of time to make leaning muscle memory. But if you were looking to start implement leaning yourself I would highly recomend just focusing on a single lean instead of multiple, this will be all you need for a while :)
It is the mag size and movement speed that make it useful. The TTK isn't that good and velocity is disappointing. People just see the backline highlight clips by good players using this which makes them think it is something special. If you are the average player that just pokes from the front line FAL, SCAR, and Groza give you those quick bursts that earn a kill then back to cover.
@@tonomrwong Now I'm trying to find it in keybinds, I think it is because I have ping set to the same button, but I have to long press it, so that is why it takes so long. I am looking through keybindings and have not been able to find the UI menu for building.
Got it, it is called Squad Leader Menu, default is O. I set it to B instead. Moved Squad VOIP to X and got rid of Fire Mode which selects semi, full, burst, etc.
Not OP. I really wish that discussion would die. It entices the devs to pander to casuals that complain instead of taking time to improve. I don't see the issue. It fits nicely in the meta. TTK and velocity are low. It has shortcomings and requires smart flanks to dominate with it. Most other guns have a faster ttk if you each engage at the same time.
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I think the thing that isn't highlighted here is the headshot multiplier. All the SMG's get 1.2x damage while the PDW's get 1.5x. So 42 damage to the head really improves the TTK, but it also balances the gun out. That's why it absolutely feels insane when you're hitting your shots.
Really weird how the devs decide to nerf extended mags with bad running speed, ads time and reload speed. Meanwhile they have a 50 round pdw with similar running speed to smgs and good reload time. They need to make extended mags more viable on other weapons and decrease reload speed on the p90.
totally agree, i was using small mag in Honey Badger and it's still longer reload and 30 less bullets wtf
It's also fine for the P90 to just be powerful. It's a flanking and ambush gold weapon for me, I think it's very powerful but not OP.
Like you said, slow the reload a bit and the also sloe velocity generally balances the rest. The low velocity is the bigger issue to fight with for me, it means you sometimes lose fights because your bullets are too slow and you need to learn to lead it.
For this reason it's only really powerful if you use it for it's intended purpose, so skilled players are rewarded. This is a good thing in an FPS to have because it feels great and can be countered if you recognise the sound and spray then act accordingly.
P90 is the groza of vectors
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i really think they should buff extended mags instead of nerfing the p90, currently i think a lot of guns would be so much better if they had viable higher magazines, guns like the honey badger and AS val are just so lacking because of their extended mags being horrible, idk i come from games like 2042 or tarkov which constantly have higher mags with small downsides compared to the advantages and i’m surprised how much they disincentivize running them in this game
this is an opinion I have not heard yet, I think this is a good idea!
imo magsize alone makes it op for most game modes where other guns struggle simply because you won't be able to easily take out 3-5 guys with a single mag like the P90/Vector can
Then the M249 must be really OP.
@@Remu- M249 doesn't have the movement speed advantage and lack of recoil like the P90, other than that it's a strong weapon
@@DerRofflers I know. I was just challenging your logic a little. I don't personally think the P90 is OP. The uptime is great but that alone doesn't make it OP. To kill 3+ people with a mag you need to have great game sense and some luck as well since the TTK isn't anything insane you basically need to be shooting people in the back to take advantage of the large mag size, otherwise you get mowed down by stronger weapons.
@@Remu-I rate mag size highly considering all the times I died while reloading or being like 1-2 bullets short to secure a kill, plus you lose momentum while pushing/flanking when you have to retreat behind cover to reload (basically giving the enemy time to locate and swarm you).
I'm sure we would see more AR play too if extended mags weren't so punishing.
I only play 127v127 though so maybe it's not such a big advantage in other modes, generally I think SMGs/PDWs are overtuned though.
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I love the chill style of your vids! Keep it up :)
IMO game is well balanced rn. P90 is great, FAL, MP5, vector… even M200. Thats a good sign.
FAL 1 shot to head 1 to chest = dead. Insanely low TTK. Scorpion EVO 2 to head 1 to chest = dead, even lower TTK.
I don’t think it’s as OP as the prenerf vector but I also don’t think the P90 is in need of a nerf and more of other things need adjustments. ARs are good but still beaten by SMGs 90% of the time, DMRs are horrendous, and LMGs are fun but slow. So that just leaves the meta guns and rush kind of play styles and makes the P90 really good.
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For me personally its the MP5, the best smg in battlebit.
I graduated from the vector to the p90 and now I rock the FAL which is the best of all save for that ridiculously small mag.
Its the confidence boost you get from using the gun, you know instead of a 50/50 chance its now a 60/40 or even 70/30 that your winning and for some reason your game sense increases when running it. Gun really makes you play different and the amount of mags/ammo you get is honestly iirc its 450 to 500. just nutty.
I use this exclusively with a suppressor. The reason this gun is not op, is the velocity and higher ttk than others. You trade off outright lethality of other guns, for quality of life with the mag size/reload speed. I don't think this gun needs a nerf but it is probably #1 for smg/pdw
Edit: The issue is with the other guns. SMGs need less downside when using extended mags. Also some SMGs have just ridiculously slow reload speeds. The MP7 for example to me is extremely slow to the point where its not realistic. Some guns need a buff, like the PP2000 is hot garbage, the honey badger needs a slight buff. The ASVAL also needs much less downside with extended mag. The ScorpionEvo is hot garbage but if its recoil was buffed a lot it would just be oppressive like the vector.
Honestly once you get vert grip the scorpion is really good. Only big downside is the super slow reload and no mag attachments
Even thought i'm like 20 levels away form the P90, i'd still prob go back to old reliable mp7 or mp5. Were the 2 main guns I've loved on medic alot so would prob just use P90 as a sub from time to time. Hope to see a settings video in the future, and best of luck on making content. o7
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that sniper guy is living rent free mate
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I really like the p90 except it can be tough at longer ranges to control and hit enough shots even with yuge clips. Mp5 does not have the same range issues but has smaller clip size so kinda depends on situation a bit but i do agree p90 clip size and time to kill is big combo that allows 3-4 kills per clip if you're in position
Definitely wouldn't call it op. It is one of the worst ttk, so you can easily outplay it. But it also has huge mag, which make it great. Overall I would say it is well balanced.
has garbage velocity on it too, I think it's a great gun but not OP.
It's the easiest gun together with the m4 and the mp5. If you want to talk OP you have to look at the FAL and the Scorpion EVO. If you learn to handle those guns it's insane. Scorpion EVO is 4 shots to the chest or 3 to the head at 1200 RPM, FAL is 2 shoots to the head or 3 to the chest at 650 RPM.
The only issue with it is the reload time, its way too good (I dont want it to be nerfed, I like using guns that are not ass)
Otherwise it feels like what the smgs should be: great up close and terrible (in this case due to horizontal recoil) at a distance
A reload nerf would make it heavily more balanced
I think the P90 and the DMR of BBR are representative of the identity crisis the game still has regarding "what kind of game it wants to be" in the long run.
Is it more akin to a COD/Battlefield or is it more akin to a Red orchestra / Hell let loose.
Where some of the design of the game are clearly made toward a team based, tactical-ish careful approach, and the other is more fast passed, left-right leaning spamming, sprint jumping in circles, room rushing kind of play.
I think the dominant strategies will lead the game leaning toward the latter if the devs do not make the decision themselves. As it seems to be the overall more efficient way to get positives K/D ratios, and as player are getting better and wiser to the game mechanics with time.
So yeah ... depending on what the game will end up becoming, the P90 is either OP, or the standard every guns in the game should follow.
Personally when I indulge in some P90 relaxation, the only gun I seems to be dying to consistently when clearing buildings in a run and gun style is the Groza.
Also ... "I'm having a tough match here" ... 54/12 on the scoreboard .... I guess I only had terrible match then :p
Its not OP but it is probably one of the strongest weapons in the game, what keeps it from being OP is that it has a bad TTK and is relatively bad at range, any decent AR, LMG or the Mp5/Mp7 will win the mid range fight. But i do think the reload speed for how much ammo it has is a problem, it needs to have a longer reload time (maybe less mags as well?) and then I would say its fairly balanced.
A good example of an OP gun is the FAL, which I would like if you talked about it in a vid in the future :)
But yeah the FAL has it all pretty much, insanely fast TTK (can 2 shot people even), decent fire rate and very easy to tap fire to make it into a DMR for longer ranges.
The huge recoil on it isn't even too big of an issue as I commonly find myself getting kills at 100+ meters away even when spraying since you only need to land a couple of bullets.
Either way, good video Wong, I really enjoy the insight you give with these videos as you cover a lot of the bases that no other youtubers do.
Thanks so much :) I will be doing a video on every gun
I got 1500 kills with the P90 faster than any other gun so far, so much fun running it. Missing it the most since I prestiged.
The P90 is my favorite lmg
Crazy how everyone thinks the meta is a single gun at a time, when the meta was always fire rate + magazine size. All they need to do - all they EVER had to do - was nerf the bullet accuracy of SMGs (increase spread pattern size).
My biggest gripe is the range they are effective at. They need a faster dmg falloff.
IMO, the up-time makes it feel OP, but stat wise for me the horizontal recoil is horrid. Sure, its great for CQC and some mid-range engagements, but if I want a point and click adventure, I'd choose the mp5 over it.
try flash hider, this gun has such low vertical that increasing it for a significant decrease in horizontal doesn't matter.
I can't say for certain if it's OP, but to me it felt way easier to get a good k/d with than any other gun. Even easier than the vector pre-nerf. Sticking with my favorite ARs because I don't like feeling dirty lol
Fair enough I know how you feel, I always try to leave the OP guns till last when I am getting 500 on them all
Absolutely astounding that another high ROF, high capacity, sub machine gun filled the void the vector nerf left behind! Didn't see it coming!
Jokes aside reload time kills me in this game. Combat is very quick but my dude is fumbling around for 3-4 seconds reloading an M4. I don't want reloads to be too fast but some guns definitely feel glacially slow for their class and how many rounds they have.
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This is great informative video!!! When do you start streaming?
Not fully sure but I have installed OBS and I am going to do some testing tomorrow and if I can get the quality right I will the day after :)
I think it’s just a little bit too much stronger compared to other guns. For most players the fact that the p90 would suit them better over a ton of other guns you mentioned suggests it’s slightly too powerful. Also, if you’re already that distracted by game chat you should be prepared for twitch chat if you try out streaming 😂 (which I hope you do!)
It's 100% OP, you literally said it's good at everything. No gun should be good at everything. Low recoil. High RPM. Quicker Movement, Large Magazines, Insane Reload. No other gun comes even close to what the P90 has without drawbacks.
Wouldn't call it op at all but its a nutty force multiplier, if a player with good game sense and aim is using it, things a fucking monster. Unlike the vector that was kind of just great no matter who used it.
True this
P90 really only needs a reload nerf. Tested it a couple of times and found its ranged potential to be quite limited, or at least difficult to control. Everything else is strong, but not necessarily overpowered. Only part that's over-the-top is the great reload, which is nuts since P90 has a 50 round mag. Either we nerf the reload or we nerf the TTK. Nerfing the TTK is only a route if we desperately want the P90 to fulfill the niche of high uptime.
and yes, the p90 makes the game way too easy
I'm not good at battlebit, but I think the p90 is interesting. Outside of the magazine capacity - the accuracy, recoil, damage, rof all look fair. Getting killed by it doesn't feel like bullshit because its TTK stats and handling are not crazy. No matter how many people are playing, all fights are just a 1v1 because either I get them or they get me. It really doesn't matter if my opponent has killed 0 people or 99 people before we fight - I only experience my win or loss. Where the p90 could be op is that it's good for its first and second fight before reload; but realistically can take on a third or fourth opponent before reload. Most other guns with 20-30 round magazine are good for fighting 2 people in a row, but a third person becomes harder. All other guns with big mags have some kind of penalty like movement speed for support, or accuracy + handling nerfs for big drum mags... except the p90 therefore it's an outlier.
It doesn't feel bad to lose to it, because I had a fair chance in the 1v1. At the same time it is clearly the best for taking on a large groups; that's how it can be both op but not feel frustrating to play against.
Really good analysis
I enjoy the P90, I do think that there is something a bit too much about it, but I can’t say what objectively. While the ammo thing is nice, it still doesn’t account why I personally find it better in combat in one vs one scenarios.
Love the content, keep the uploads coming! What's your music from
Its from the youture creator audio library, it Home for the Holidays - Track Tribe
whats your opinion on choice of secondary weapons. the deagle is obviously very strong, but for me the reduced movement speed is too big a downside.
I have not done a deep look, but at the moment I would say the glock and the mp443 are the next best choices, and the unica and rsh currently suffer because the extra damage they provide is negligible
Why do i feel like i played with you on official Australia servers
probs have I play Aus servers :)
Honestly if it got the Vector damage falloff treatment it would still be a great gun. Maybe a personal thing but I feel that all ARs should be outclassing SMG class weapons at medium ranges almost every single time. Right now they feel like a coin flip.
Big love bro, always see you in game but dont wanna seem like a fangirl. I. Did say "got ya good ya dog" when i finnaly got one on you but i promise it's all love 😊 also what's your thoughts on stretched ratio?
My next video I am dropping tomorrow goes into this, but I will say now that I think it's benefits are good, but similar effects are found if you set FOV to 60, no shade on stretched res though, alot of the best players I know play stretched
Poor h-recoil and TTK vs the other top performers means head to head you can definitely loose at any range. Instead it allows for better positioning and uptime, especially important for big servers.
I see it a lot less often in rush servers where its advantages are less valuable. Seems balanced to me.
P90 is great, but lately I've been more of a FAL guy
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it feels good to use but not nearly as oppresive as when using the pre nerf vector or even some other guns like the fal I wouldn't say it's op I would just say it's very good.
Great video as always Wong. Agree with your opinions on this. I don't think it's particularly OP as there are guns in the same category that kill just as quick or quicker at both short and medium range; I find it's frustrating to die to (and by extension why it's seen as OP) because of that uptime, especially in close quarters. Frustrating when your mag is dry and the enemy who turned the same corner as you still has another 30 rounds left.
Pro90 is best smg atm . I play it only with medic :D
How on earth do you move and peek at the same time so smoothly? Do you use default keybindings for peeking?
Yeah I do default binds, I played low level proleague for Rainbow Six back in the day so I have had lots of time to make leaning muscle memory. But if you were looking to start implement leaning yourself I would highly recomend just focusing on a single lean instead of multiple, this will be all you need for a while :)
Any chance of Val guide? 😅 (gonna unlock it in a week or two)
Get that horizontal down as much as you can and learn to control the higher vertical.
i like then new intro
It is the mag size and movement speed that make it useful. The TTK isn't that good and velocity is disappointing. People just see the backline highlight clips by good players using this which makes them think it is something special. If you are the average player that just pokes from the front line FAL, SCAR, and Groza give you those quick bursts that earn a kill then back to cover.
i say "p90 puc" to every little p90 fartsmellah, the same people spamming qeqeqeq to not die lmao i cant wait for milsim mode
I am also keen for the milsim mode
@@tonomrwong lets just hope it isnt too far down on the priority list
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Buff AS-Val
What do you have your building barricades set to? Feels like mine takes forever to come up when I click the mouse wheel.
I have it set to a side mouse button, it's super handy
@@tonomrwong Now I'm trying to find it in keybinds, I think it is because I have ping set to the same button, but I have to long press it, so that is why it takes so long. I am looking through keybindings and have not been able to find the UI menu for building.
Got it, it is called Squad Leader Menu, default is O. I set it to B instead. Moved Squad VOIP to X and got rid of Fire Mode which selects semi, full, burst, etc.
does deagle affect ur movement speed even when holstered?
I am not too sure I will do some testing
thanks =))@@tonomrwong
Not OP. I really wish that discussion would die. It entices the devs to pander to casuals that complain instead of taking time to improve. I don't see the issue. It fits nicely in the meta. TTK and velocity are low. It has shortcomings and requires smart flanks to dominate with it. Most other guns have a faster ttk if you each engage at the same time.