I took my 87 928 out to run with some buddies to ride the Blue Ridge Parkway near Charlottesville VA. I had just performed the following maintenance with a friend : Plugs, Fuel lines, filters, All fluids, Timing belt, Waterpump, front main seal, oil pump, power steering pump, all hoses, Cleaned all grounds. About 4 miles into the parkway ride , my car started losing power ,we all pulled over it was determined I was in limp mode. I had to drive it home about 75 miles while they continued nice day, I went through a tank of fuel to get back home (Fuel was running out the CATS from the non firing cylinders ) lucky it was a brisk fall day as the CATS were fire red and nothing caught fire. for two weeks I researched the 928 forum . One guy said to wait until its super dark put a tarp over the raised hood and engine bay , let my eyes adjust to the darkness then fire it up. I was amazed at all the small blue electrical arcs occurring in several plug wires .Ended up being a cracked plug wire , about $300 for a set n 2010. I was pissed the entire ride back. All I paid for was parts and a few free meals for my 928 buddies. Had I paid for all that work back then i would have been 6K or more. Truthfully if I had to pay for all the work the car require/s I would sell it. On the way back home from Charlottesville and many other times, I got so many thumbs up! I get at least 10 awesome car and conversations about it not being a 2023 Porsche. I'll keep it.
I used to measure most things in dollars. Now, not so much. Does it make me smile? Do I slowly breathe in that smell when I first drop into the seat? That sound at 6K rpm - never grows old. Do I still glance back to catch one more glimpse as I walk away? Is there any moment when I’m pushing her around those corners on a twisty back road that I’m not 100% in the moment ? And, almost every time I take her out, when some other guy gives me that look and throws me a thumbs up … I remember how lucky I am. Mine is an old 993. It’s not cheap. But I’m keepin’ it.
Glad you got it sorted Jay and youve got your smile back. I think you'll regret it if you move on now. Anything worthwhile is a challenge and just listen to the sound, keep it.
Haven’t watched this video yet, but wanted to chime in. (I did see the previous, so I know what your current problems are). Here’s how I deal with my old Porsche(s). Do I own it or does it own me? When a ‘small’ problem upsets you a lot, it owns you. When ‘huge’ problem is not a problem, you own it. Once I came to understand this, it has made my ownership choices so much easier. Cheers, amigo. You create fun content
Maybe a 997.1S to be in a more modern and classic”ish” Porsche. Don’t get me wrong, iLOVE the 928 but it is 40 years old and things will happen. Still enjoying your journey. Good luck.
I’ve had a 40 year mental love affairs with 928s and thought owning one was an impossibility. Your channel has awakened the possibility. Don’t sell it!🙂
Did you use original Porsche part or dodgy replica? I replaced mine with original Porsche part as preventative maintenance and works perfectly. PS if you haven’t replaced all the relays, suggest you do that too! Makes these old bangers far more reliable electrically. Relatively cheap to do too! Yes they are expensive but cheaper than a mistress…
What boils down is all cars are money pits. They lose value in time and then there's maintenance and component failure costs that affect old and new vehicles alike. For me I just keep what I like and fix whatever my budget can withstand then carry on happy as Larry. Cheers! 🙂
As always enjoyed the video, Jay. There’s something about classic Porsches that make owners do irrational things but if it makes sense to you go for it.
My running tally is 26k. Engine is nearly 100% with resurfaced cylinder heads. Really hoping it will be drivable this year. Nice Pink Panther reference! Rather than respond to "should I sell" repeatedly I'll just say this once: make your plan and just stick to the plan unless there's abject disaster and you really have no other choice but to let it go.
My '84 928 5spd has been in the shop for a total of 6 months over the last 10 months. I understand the feeling. With my 6spd 996 in the garage, I keep thinking of driving the 928. Don't get rid of yours. They are very special cars and their market value will reflect their actual value soon enough.
Well, I think you’re not in bad shape! I just had power steering fail in my 968 when on an outing with the club. Got it back this past Wednesday, on Thursday (sitting in the garage) it caught on fire from a battery short to ground. So, everything is relative😉
@@JAYREAD luckily, the fire melted part of the battery and the leaking electrolyte put out the fire. Just have to see if I can source the parts of the wiring harness that were melted
Always loved the 928 since I first saw one in the early 80s. Have driven a few over the years. One hell of a beautiful car. Always wanted one and came close to buying several but never went through with it. While I thought they were pretty quick back in the early to mid 80s. After test driving them when they were still on the higher end car lots back then. I was in my 20s then. Compared to today they are still a work of art and beauty but severely underpowered. Having owned several big cubic inch muscle cars over the years and still have one today. I love strong power by todays hp standards. I would have to do a modern engine conversion on one to be happy with it. The 928 needs to run as good as it looks. Their 4.5 to 5.4 litre Porsche V8 in my opinion is completely inadequate for power output. With a restomod 928 you eliminate a lot of the typical problems with them. I saw one tastefully done with a fuel injected Chevy LS 6.0 that produced 490 hp at the wheels. That’s over 600 flywheel hp. Had a stand alone Holley Terminator X running the engine management system. Car had vintage air on it. Super nice and it had a super quiet exhaust. I would have to go that route definitely.
I completely disagree. Whilst the early US cars were starved of power, the later ones have plenty to be faster than most cars on the road. Of course, your money, you do what you like and I salute your passion but that’s a lot of expense and effort for something which is fine really! Each to their own though. Just my opinion which is practically worthless, I know!
I've had my '93 928 GTS for 17 years and have had a mostly enjoyable experience adding 100,000 km since purchase. I now have ~250,000 km on the odometer. I was fortunate to have a talented 928 mechanic close by for 14 of those years and did the deferred maintenance in the early years of ownership and then the normal maintenance items - water pump/timing belt, interior and carpets, rebuild the MAF, cam gears, ignition wires, a high amp alternator, wheel bearings, oil seals, etc. The GTS motor's pistons doesn't have oil drain back holes resulting in excessive oil consumption ~ 1 l/500 km. Went through many iterations of devices to fix that without pulling the heads and drilling the holes. The long & sort of it is that the 928 is a great car when everything is working. However, it is also getting very long in the tooth and parts and service are getting scarcer and more expensive. Now looking to find someone buy and carry on. I know I'll miss it once it's sold but for me it is time to move on. Good luck with yours and I really enjoy tour videos!
Jay,as you know my story, Corvettes have reliability,excellent performance etc No where the problems that the 928 has But when your in deep ( like I am with mine) we just keep going Cheers Frank
Hi Jay, I have been enjoying your videos as I am also a fairly new 928 owner and have been in the process of restoring/modifying my own 928. I own an auto repair shop in Milwaukie, Oregon and so I think I may have a little more insight to share than your average watcher. When I look up an ignition switch for your 928 in my vendors catalog I an see that there are 2 parts available. One is from a company called URO (not a great part) and of course there is the original equipment part. I have to assume that the part that was installed on yours was an aftermarket part for it to fail so many times. I hope that this last time they installed an OE. What's really sad to me is that you are considering giving up your car because of the recent issues you've had that I don't think have much to do with your car and more to do with the parts that were installed (ignition switch) or workmanship (axle drop). Last year, I removed my axels to replace the CV boots, and when i reinstalled them I didn't use any loctite. I just made sure I got them tight, and 8k miles later they are still tight. Just food for thought.
Good to hear Jay| nice for content! Is oldtimer life unfortunately you have this. Make back up plans. Like I did with my 996 long trip to Italy 5000 km road trip.
Most non-911 Porsches suffer from the deferred maintenance issue due to their depreciation to a level where they were frequently owned by impecunious individuals. Sunk cost keeps you a machine which has needed rescuing. Have you thought of the Corvette manual trans conversion - that might liven up your ownership experience?
Bro how much time you got left on the planet? Whatever it is its way to short to live with any enthusiast car you've fallen out of love with it. If you're pining for something modern then just do it. You can always come back (even if 928s go up in value who cares just money).
Hooray 🎉😊 it’s like I said everything you do to it… you do it three times. Normal cars once. I don’t understand it. I’m dealing with it right now. That’s the real cost of the car, it’s the most frustrating part of this journey with the 928. I’m way too deep into it to sell. Cheers Jay. 🎉
If its all about the money, maybe sell up. If it's about running a Porsche classic, a 928 no less and UA-cam content keep it. Bear in mind the endless problems people have with boring new cars and dealing with the franchised dealers! Ask me how I know...
On the seats ... see if there's a way to switch the interior to pasha ;-) ... Didn't know about yer crash ... hope all is beginning to calm down, now. :)
Back in the saddle again Gene. Way to go. Hang in for a few more breakdowns er months and then decide. You don’t want to sell now and have regrets down the road. Heck, you may be nearly half way through. Ha ha.
My vote for a more modern car woukd be a 2012 or newer Cayman S. I have seen them for mid to low 40K in Canada. Quebec is the cheapest place to buy used Porches in North America, in my opinion, if you can navigate the import process to the states. Will hold its value for many years and be cheap to run.
I’d keep it if you can get the bodywork done. It’s a special car, and I think as time goes on, and keeping up the maintenance, it’ll be more reliable. It’ll cost money, sure. I’ve always wanted one. I have a replica 550 Spyder on order.
Sell it. If you peruse you tube you will see it's not worth much money and it's expensive to keep and doesn't really perform all that well compared to it's air cooled breathren which hold there value, are not maintenance nightmares and are great performers. I am looking for a nice 993
You are looking at project cars and basket cases. They perform better than a period 911 where intended. Don’t confuse a grand tourer with a sports car. Not maintenance nightmares? Have you owned a previously neglected 911SC before?
Reflecting on my previous comments on this saga, I think there shouldn’t be any shame in moving onto another car. People do that all the time, it’s how they tick off bucket list cars. If you only have the space, time, energy and all else for one hobby car at a time why not keep having fun from car to car? You mention moving onto something more modern and reliable and that could be a refresher for you, but might I tempt you into a 911SC, 914 or 924 Turbo if still Porsche? More money pit fun and games to be had, Jay.
Listen to the engine note. How can you not be in love with the 928. I’ve had mine 15 yrs. I’ve put in $3000 a year to keep it in top shape. No regrets. 🦘🇦🇺🙃
You have to have the right personality type to enjoy a classic Porsche, if you are too type A (I am) you will be too frustrated with the lack of perfection to enjoy it (I didn't). You should have to take a personality test before you're allowed to buy one.
I took my 87 928 out to run with some buddies to ride the Blue Ridge Parkway near Charlottesville VA. I had just performed the following maintenance with a friend : Plugs, Fuel lines, filters, All fluids, Timing belt, Waterpump, front main seal, oil pump, power steering pump, all hoses, Cleaned all grounds. About 4 miles into the parkway ride , my car started losing power ,we all pulled over it was determined I was in limp mode. I had to drive it home about 75 miles while they continued nice day, I went through a tank of fuel to get back home (Fuel was running out the CATS from the non firing cylinders ) lucky it was a brisk fall day as the CATS were fire red and nothing caught fire. for two weeks I researched the 928 forum . One guy said to wait until its super dark put a tarp over the raised hood and engine bay , let my eyes adjust to the darkness then fire it up. I was amazed at all the small blue electrical arcs occurring in several plug wires .Ended up being a cracked plug wire , about $300 for a set n 2010. I was pissed the entire ride back. All I paid for was parts and a few free meals for my 928 buddies. Had I paid for all that work back then i would have been 6K or more. Truthfully if I had to pay for all the work the car require/s I would sell it. On the way back home from Charlottesville and many other times, I got so many thumbs up! I get at least 10 awesome car and conversations about it not being a 2023 Porsche. I'll keep it.
Solidarity brother!
@@CharlesPayne 928 frenzy this year?
@@edwinthomas618 Unfortunately not. I'm recovering from some surgeries.
I used to measure most things in dollars. Now, not so much. Does it make me smile? Do I slowly breathe in that smell when I first drop into the seat? That sound at 6K rpm - never grows old. Do I still glance back to catch one more glimpse as I walk away? Is there any moment when I’m pushing her around those corners on a twisty back road that I’m not 100% in the moment ? And, almost every time I take her out, when some other guy gives me that look and throws me a thumbs up … I remember how lucky I am. Mine is an old 993. It’s not cheap. But I’m keepin’ it.
I hear you!
Glad you got it sorted Jay and youve got your smile back. I think you'll regret it if you move on now. Anything worthwhile is a challenge and just listen to the sound, keep it.
Haven’t watched this video yet, but wanted to chime in. (I did see the previous, so I know what your current problems are). Here’s how I deal with my old Porsche(s). Do I own it or does it own me? When a ‘small’ problem upsets you a lot, it owns you. When ‘huge’ problem is not a problem, you own it. Once I came to understand this, it has made my ownership choices so much easier. Cheers, amigo. You create fun content
Thanks. Good thoughts!
Yes. #Simples These 928s are too iconic and deserve to live on. You are merely its current curator. Glad it's fixed geez 🎉
Glad you are up and running Jay. 👍
Keep the 928 and get a late-model Cayman for road trips.
Take the switch apart then - let's see what gave way inside. Ignition switch autopsies are always interesting.
Maybe a 997.1S to be in a more modern and classic”ish” Porsche. Don’t get me wrong, iLOVE the 928 but it is 40 years old and things will happen. Still enjoying your journey. Good luck.
I’ve had a 40 year mental love affairs with 928s and thought owning one was an impossibility. Your channel has awakened the possibility. Don’t sell it!🙂
Haha! I’m good at leading bad behaviour! I won’t!
Did you use original Porsche part or dodgy replica? I replaced mine with original Porsche part as preventative maintenance and works perfectly. PS if you haven’t replaced all the relays, suggest you do that too! Makes these old bangers far more reliable electrically. Relatively cheap to do too! Yes they are expensive but cheaper than a mistress…
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What boils down is all cars are money pits. They lose value in time and then there's maintenance and component failure costs that affect old and new vehicles alike. For me I just keep what I like and fix whatever my budget can withstand then carry on happy as Larry. Cheers! 🙂
I hope you hang on to your 928. Great content. A good mix of restoration and mods.
As always enjoyed the video, Jay. There’s something about classic Porsches that make owners do irrational things but if it makes sense to you go for it.
Thanks Andrew! Very true!
My running tally is 26k. Engine is nearly 100% with resurfaced cylinder heads. Really hoping it will be drivable this year. Nice Pink Panther reference! Rather than respond to "should I sell" repeatedly I'll just say this once: make your plan and just stick to the plan unless there's abject disaster and you really have no other choice but to let it go.
Good thoughts! Thanks as ever!
My '84 928 5spd has been in the shop for a total of 6 months over the last 10 months. I understand the feeling. With my 6spd 996 in the garage, I keep thinking of driving the 928. Don't get rid of yours. They are very special cars and their market value will reflect their actual value soon enough.
Glad you're keeping your sense of humour! Keep the 928 as they will surely keep going up in value?
Well, I think you’re not in bad shape! I just had power steering fail in my 968 when on an outing with the club. Got it back this past Wednesday, on Thursday (sitting in the garage) it caught on fire from a battery short to ground. So, everything is relative😉
Oh no! I’m so sorry to hear about that! Isn’t completely gone?
@@JAYREAD luckily, the fire melted part of the battery and the leaking electrolyte put out the fire. Just have to see if I can source the parts of the wiring harness that were melted
@@jeffhammond8969 let me know how I can help. Perhaps the 928 vendors can help? Try 928sRUS?
@@JAYREAD appreciate the offer! Waiting for Elliott Grafton to get back in country to see what he may have. Should know more early next week.
Yip, been there too - changed the ignition switch a few years ago.
I'm glad you're back on the road. I hope you enjoyed the tour, even if it was from the passenger seat.
Thanks Jeff!
happy to see you happy big man, hope things are looking up
I have a 944 and it's the same...it always broke😅🫣these cars are not always taking care of in the past ownership
Yup!
Please keep it. I love your content...you are hilarious. I have an 88 S4 and was going to sell it but I cant do it.😅
Haha! Thanks for the encouragement! I’m fighting back!
Always loved the 928 since I first saw one in the early 80s. Have driven a few over the years. One hell of a beautiful car. Always wanted one and came close to buying several but never went through with it. While I thought they were pretty quick back in the early to mid 80s. After test driving them when they were still on the higher end car lots back then. I was in my 20s then. Compared to today they are still a work of art and beauty but severely underpowered. Having owned several big cubic inch muscle cars over the years and still have one today. I love strong power by todays hp standards. I would have to do a modern engine conversion on one to be happy with it.
The 928 needs to run as good as it looks. Their 4.5 to 5.4 litre Porsche V8 in my opinion is completely inadequate for power output. With a restomod 928 you eliminate a lot of the typical problems with them. I saw one tastefully done with a fuel injected Chevy LS 6.0 that produced 490 hp at the wheels. That’s over 600 flywheel hp.
Had a stand alone Holley Terminator X running the engine management system. Car had vintage air on it. Super nice and it had a super quiet exhaust.
I would have to go that route definitely.
I completely disagree. Whilst the early US cars were starved of power, the later ones have plenty to be faster than most cars on the road. Of course, your money, you do what you like and I salute your passion but that’s a lot of expense and effort for something which is fine really! Each to their own though. Just my opinion which is practically worthless, I know!
It is the entry fee for a classic Porsche.
Good news man ! - I'm glad you didn't throw the baby out ...
I've had my '93 928 GTS for 17 years and have had a mostly enjoyable experience adding 100,000 km since purchase. I now have ~250,000 km on the odometer. I was fortunate to have a talented 928 mechanic close by for 14 of those years and did the deferred maintenance in the early years of ownership and then the normal maintenance items - water pump/timing belt, interior and carpets, rebuild the MAF, cam gears, ignition wires, a high amp alternator, wheel bearings, oil seals, etc. The GTS motor's pistons doesn't have oil drain back holes resulting in excessive oil consumption ~ 1 l/500 km. Went through many iterations of devices to fix that without pulling the heads and drilling the holes. The long & sort of it is that the 928 is a great car when everything is working. However, it is also getting very long in the tooth and parts and service are getting scarcer and more expensive. Now looking to find someone buy and carry on. I know I'll miss it once it's sold but for me it is time to move on. Good luck with yours and I really enjoy tour videos!
Lovely story! You’ll miss it! Thank you!
It was what we thought. Curious if you figured out how to “hot wire” it had we been able to remove it?
I did get a few suggestions by email, Mark, yes. It’s possible.
Jay,as you know my story,
Corvettes have reliability,excellent performance etc
No where the problems that the 928 has
But when your in deep ( like I am with mine) we just keep going
Cheers
Frank
Hi Jay, I have been enjoying your videos as I am also a fairly new 928 owner and have been in the process of restoring/modifying my own 928. I own an auto repair shop in Milwaukie, Oregon and so I think I may have a little more insight to share than your average watcher. When I look up an ignition switch for your 928 in my vendors catalog I an see that there are 2 parts available. One is from a company called URO (not a great part) and of course there is the original equipment part. I have to assume that the part that was installed on yours was an aftermarket part for it to fail so many times. I hope that this last time they installed an OE. What's really sad to me is that you are considering giving up your car because of the recent issues you've had that I don't think have much to do with your car and more to do with the parts that were installed (ignition switch) or workmanship (axle drop). Last year, I removed my axels to replace the CV boots, and when i reinstalled them I didn't use any loctite. I just made sure I got them tight, and 8k miles later they are still tight. Just food for thought.
Thanks a lot!
Good to hear Jay| nice for content! Is oldtimer life unfortunately you have this. Make back up plans. Like I did with my 996 long trip to Italy 5000 km road trip.
Great start to the weekend! Enjoy 😊
Most non-911 Porsches suffer from the deferred maintenance issue due to their depreciation to a level where they were frequently owned by impecunious individuals. Sunk cost keeps you a machine which has needed rescuing. Have you thought of the Corvette manual trans conversion - that might liven up your ownership experience?
911s too! They are not immune yet they are sold in similar condition at multiples of the prices of 928s! Even worse!
Keep it. I've just sold my 996. A lot of costly repairs, and way more complcated than the V8 928.
Bro how much time you got left on the planet? Whatever it is its way to short to live with any enthusiast car you've fallen out of love with it. If you're pining for something modern then just do it. You can always come back (even if 928s go up in value who cares just money).
Good point!
Hooray 🎉😊 it’s like I said everything you do to it… you do it three times. Normal cars once. I don’t understand it. I’m dealing with it right now. That’s the real cost of the car, it’s the most frustrating part of this journey with the 928. I’m way too deep into it to sell. Cheers Jay. 🎉
Cheers Edward!
Yessss🎉!!! The Shark is back!!🎉🎉🎉🎉
Add a 911 to your mix...keep the 928!
100%
I never knew they had rear sunvisors. Oh, keep the car and drive carefully.
I think you should sell up ! Only Because Id like to see your channel delve into a new project .
as long as you don't drive it much, ownership isn't too expensive.
Wait! The key is on the inside?
Haha yes!
@@JAYREAD well that's got to be the source of all the problems right there. ;)
Keep it, add another to that giant barn of yours!
Good thinking!
If its all about the money, maybe sell up. If it's about running a Porsche classic, a 928 no less and UA-cam content keep it.
Bear in mind the endless problems people have with boring new cars and dealing with the franchised dealers! Ask me how I know...
I want to stay as far away from a franchised dealer as I can! That’s rule one! Haha!
Keep it! You won’t find another car that’s as beautiful for the money. Is it temperamental at times? Sure, it’s a classic car.
Doesn’t sound like you want to sell it. GOOD😁
On the seats ... see if there's a way to switch the interior to pasha ;-) ...
Didn't know about yer crash ... hope all is beginning to calm down, now. :)
Pasha is on my candidate list, oh yes! Starting to calm down. I’ll feel better when the crash damage is fixed. Have a good weekend!
Sell the 928 get something with the engine in the back 😎
Don’t sell it I have one and it’s been fun fixing it lol it is what it is great car
Glad the car is running again! 🎉 learn how to do some of the work. Save some money. Look at Todd Gibbs. Knew nothing. Rebuilt his car. #respect
Todd is a legend! ❤️
Back in the saddle again Gene. Way to go. Hang in for a few more breakdowns er months and then decide. You don’t want to sell now and have regrets down the road. Heck, you may be nearly half way through. Ha ha.
My vote for a more modern car woukd be a 2012 or newer Cayman S. I have seen them for mid to low 40K in Canada. Quebec is the cheapest place to buy used Porches in North America, in my opinion, if you can navigate the import process to the states. Will hold its value for many years and be cheap to run.
Yes, great idea! Good value!
I’d keep it if you can get the bodywork done. It’s a special car, and I think as time goes on, and keeping up the maintenance, it’ll be more reliable. It’ll cost money, sure. I’ve always wanted one. I have a replica 550 Spyder on order.
Ooh 550! That will be WONDERFUL!
Ultimately I've been disappointed. Zero videos of you crying has simply ruined my week.
HAHAHAHAHA!
Oh, and get something modern in addition! ;-)
Yeah!
Sell it and you'll regret it. Don't sell it and you'll also regret it. It's a case of you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. :-)
some cars are cursed.
Some owners too! Like me, for example! Haha!
I'm sorry to say modern Porsche's are not much better these days.
Oh. Really? Sorry to hear that. HNY!
Jay be clear see you in 2030.
Haven’t even seen the video.. but short answer is No
Hahaha!
Fixed until next video…dump it now….
Sell it. If you peruse you tube you will see it's not worth much money and it's expensive to keep and doesn't really perform all that well compared to it's air cooled breathren which hold there value, are not maintenance nightmares and are great performers. I am looking for a nice 993
You are looking at project cars and basket cases. They perform better than a period 911 where intended. Don’t confuse a grand tourer with a sports car. Not maintenance nightmares? Have you owned a previously neglected 911SC before?
Reflecting on my previous comments on this saga, I think there shouldn’t be any shame in moving onto another car. People do that all the time, it’s how they tick off bucket list cars. If you only have the space, time, energy and all else for one hobby car at a time why not keep having fun from car to car? You mention moving onto something more modern and reliable and that could be a refresher for you, but might I tempt you into a 911SC, 914 or 924 Turbo if still Porsche? More money pit fun and games to be had, Jay.
Listen to the engine note. How can you not be in love with the 928. I’ve had mine 15 yrs. I’ve put in $3000 a year to keep it in top shape. No regrets. 🦘🇦🇺🙃
You have to have the right personality type to enjoy a classic Porsche, if you are too type A (I am) you will be too frustrated with the lack of perfection to enjoy it (I didn't). You should have to take a personality test before you're allowed to buy one.