I literally LOled at that one. And he right too. It also the shit where I hear from "instructors" that "rds is slower at closer range than irons." and pretty much same shit covered here too. I need to buy the man a drink, and take a class because I do want to get some carbine shit in soon.
"I'm never gonna be attacked by a nickel." You say that, but when the Great Nickel Revolt happens and threatens to bring an end to mankind, you're gonna be in for a rude awakening.
“If you own it, you should check it yourself.” Best quote ever. It’s ridiculous that people come onto UA-cam to check a review of a product they own and hope for what they want to hear. These are the same people that like smelling their own farts.
Two classic statements: 1. "I am never going to be attacked by a nickel" 2. "I'm going to change hearts and change minds" A-A-Ron (homage to Key and Peele) is such a knowledgeable instructor and knows how to transfer information to anyone willing to listen
The addition of the graphics is awesome. Great job man, the most educational channel in the gun community. I know when I was a noob, I had no idea what any of the firearms community language meant, so those graphics are very valuable for the noobs.
Thanks Aaron. Great review and visits topics that most casual shooters don't understand and sometimes don't even know to inquire about. Love that you visited the parallax topic.
I was thinking this was just gonna be another video discussing pros/cons and opinions on both for CQB. I love that there are real applicable tests going on. You killed it again dude.
A fun experiment is to close your front scope cap of your LVPO and have the reticle illuminated and shoot the rifle using bindon aiming. It really shows how much scope shadow mattets within 25 yards.
Superb. Really appreciate the picture w/in picture showing the reticle and shadow/offset/parallax. Seemed to me your accuracy, at least in the tests shot for this video, favored the crosshairs of the LPVO. I'd also guess you have much more time on the LPVO than most of us average folks who are choosing, or have chosen, between RDS & LPVO. Thanks Aaron, really appreciate the learned, experienced & critical thoughts you give us here.
As a new shooter and getting to know my weapons systems, I really enjoyed this comparison video. I chose a LPVO for my DD AR and it was cool/informative/educational to see the potential with it. Especially through practice.
Great video thanks! I think those results are amazing! I've been guilty of taking to long sometimes making sure my sight picture is perfect even at closer ranges and it hurts my speed sometimes. Its cool to know I can speed it up a bit if I accidentally snap up with a bit of shadow at close range I can send it n not waste precious time in a even where milliseconds could mean living or back to the mud! Love your content! Thanks for the great video!
Me: “I’m just so much slower with a LPVO at 1x at close distances, therefore I prefer the dot for up close.” Also me: *has almost 10k rounds through one build with one red dot, has only tried the LPVO for 100-200 rounds max* Wild how the “whatever you train with, you get good with” principle comes true.
the stop mugging yourself off and use an LPVO with the same amount of rounds with the red dot then compare them! i find LPVO better then a red dot because i dont just do only CQB , but also medium and long range . the LPVO such as night force does is not slower then a red dot
Thank you so much for all your videos, and all the knowledge transmitted. It's really very enjoyable, especially here in France where the possibilities are much less !
Always appreciate your detail and perspective. For what it’s worth 😆(probably not much): When I put an AR together last year. My first since 1976; my end product, excluding brand name, was the exact same configuration. This was based on: Vietnam era Marine infantry experience and Hunting experience. But mostly “OG” physical issues. ie; bad eyes, bad joints, can’t move for shit anymore. So ultimately working with a home defense/coyote gun in a 1-10 ffp, LVPO and a 45 degree offset RDS gave me the same results. Even shooting off hand. For comparison btw I use a 36yd zero on the LVPO and a 25yd zero on RDS. That gives me a 4x6/2x4 hit using a 12 o’clock hold on anything indoors with either optic. Used your videos switching from irons to a RDS pretty much exclusively. Thanks for the helping the “OG’s”!!!!
Training to change hearts and minds myself. Great content as always, thank you for knowledge. Your channel is very under rated and will get the view counts soon. More drills like the Eleanor please
As a casual viewer, I congratulate you for giving one of the best and most informative videos ever on basics of CQB optics of any channel on this topic. Your demonstration also points out why "older eyes" switch to red dots over iron sights. Target focus vs sight post focus.
Former 0311 here. My tango 6t on a 1.54 feels almost exactly like my acog did when I was in. The only difference is they taught us there was no such thing as too little eye relief with the acog.
Really appreciated this. Also like to see Solgw getting some love. I just purchased a14.5 and I like it as much or more than my DD4. Great shooting rifles.
Well at least I know I wasn’t completely off the path when going through my decision of which optic to throw on my 11.5 & I’m beyond happy with the 36 yard zero and the simplicity of the reticle and point of aim/point of impact from point blank out to 300. Very very satisfied with my Eotech 512
That bit where you said "that guy knows his shit" really got me. Ive never hear anyone but you talk about IR laser reflection off of a FSB or other piece of kit, because they don't actually know and just mount their stuff anywhere it looks cool. You mount it as far forward for that reason. You know. And thank you for sharing with us
Great vid. Application is key with anything. I have setups for home defense and mid to long range. Offset all day. It’s all about knowing what WORKS for you. I have spoken.
Really enjoy your videos. Your reduced target reminds me of German accuracy target used for their Kar98s for their snipers. It was a playing card which was approximately a 2x4 size for one hundred meters. Just thought that was something cool to see.
Very thorough. Good graphics editing. Appreciate your videos. Edit: fantastic ending talking about enthusiast mob. Couldn't agree more in this context as well as many others. There are too many pseudoexperts that are metastasizing across the entire online community in literally every topic. Dunning-Kruger FTL (for the LOSS).
I’m NOT going to use the comment section to yak about what I do. Nobody should care. Just want to say thanks for the vids. Informative, thorough and appropriately sarcastic. You edify my knowledge.
its all about training and the skill u have. i can run through a shoot house with no sights on my stick at all and score good clean FAST hits.Train train and then train some more especially if this is your profession because you owe it to the people to be proficient in your craft. great video brother,as always.
I love the "what kind of accuracy you're looking at..?" question very much. It's the question that I always get into an argument with local instructors in my country too cuz I don't believe in hitting a nickel every single time at whatever range. Thank you for this. The 4x6 is good. I'll adjust my training to it.
Great video and it might not be a big deal but I would have liked to see a second focal plane as well like the vudu 1-8 to see if FFP and SFP have any major difference in the test
I've run both on my 11.5 and off a timer I'm almost identical. It helps that I've done a lot of dry fire with the lpvo but it feels better to use it under white light than red dot for me. Decision really came down to with where I live, which is very rural, so if something happened the gun will fill the jobs I need it to close or out to a little range. For reference I run the steiner P4Xi and the dot is perfect in the daylight
I've got the same setups and I can't agree more. The Steiner has an excellent red dot, and I prefer it at night (white light doesn't blow out the illumination since it's an etched reticle).
I think it's fair to say that red dots/ holographics are faster and easier for beginners and people who don't do a lot of practice and dryfire. You should, and that will certainly help level the playing field with LPVOs, but especially from awkward positions you can get awkward aim with a scope. You should try both and know your intended use, but generally a red dot is superior if it's actually only for CQB. Also, reticle illumination / battery life is something to consider. I like Holosun and Olight (Chinesium, i know) because of the ease to keep them running.
Lets put it this way, I'm a sound engineer, i once recorded an AWESOME bassist, he brought a squire fender, which is the cheaper base model, and he made that bass sound extremely good, i mean he could make any bass sounds good. So at the end of the day, its always the man behind the equipment.
This man will not only tell you the truth but put facts behind it. I've never watched any content from @SageDynamics and not taken something valuable from it. Thanks a million times over for what you do my man.
Thanks for this. I knew that parallax and eye relief was an issue for lvpo, but never knew how much of an issue. Quantifiable information for those of us who don't own as many of the options to test, helps out.
Great information. I have been going back and forth on .556 armageddon setup and for that red dot wins with co-witness fixed irons imo. Weight and reliability, scopes have had to get sent in for repair. T2 will just work until fixed irons co-witness are what’s left. Keep a Leica Monovid Monocular 8x 20mm in a pocket for id’ing. For engagement past 400meters the 6.5 gets broken out of the snipers pack with a 4-27x56.
I'm in the same boat Aaron. I use a Dot because of NOD compatibility. But I would 100% switch to an LPVO if NOD's weren't apart of the equations. Only real down side I see is the increased weight. Any who, great vid, as always!
Weight and reliability. The scopes have had to have been sent in for repair. The T2 will just work and if it doesn’t you have co-witness irons. I have been going back and forth on a Armageddon .556 setup. Red dot and fixed co witness irons win so far. Keep a Leica Monovid Monocular 8x 20mm in a pocket for id’ing targets. Not gonna engage target +3-400 meters. Need a sniper rig for that work anyway so that’s when you bust out the rig out of your snipers bag.
I recently picked up a swamp fox arrowhead 1-10 and have really enjoyed it. I use the ADM mount. For the dollars spent I am very pleased. I really enjoyed this video and always like the content from your channel. It’s reliable data.
I hope you add onto this with an acog or an elcan on 4x. I think people might be surprised how little hinderance the magnification is with a good reticle. The only reason I put an RMR on top of my os4x was for night vision. I just don't think I'm good enough to demonstrate the difference for myself, magnified feels a little more clumsy when going fast but it seems to work out pretty similarly for me.
I had the same question... so I shot a carbine match with my Razor 1-6 and had zero issue with eyebox (unless it was on 6X instead of 1X), even shooting opposite shoulder around a fault line.
Love this guy and all he does and puts out for the community! Me I prefer a re dot with a 3x on the ftc unity mounts. Hard to beat. Lpvo’s have their place for sure but for me 3x seems to be enough.
Great video! To be honest I'm more of a RDS guy personally. I don't much shooting out to long distance although I have in the past. I suppose one thing is that there are a lot more budget RDS that I'd trust on a fighting gun vs the cheap LPVOs that are suitable for defense. Although to be honest I could have bought a decent scope for the cost of my Comp M5...
Very thorough (as usual) as this subject needs to be openly discussed. It's amazing what you can do when put in the time before you throw it away....opinions only matter when you have made your own after you exhausted the effort. Ya I sound pretty deep..lol
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"I'm gonna change minds and change hearts"
Holy fuckin shit the banter is amazing. Love this vid.
I literally LOled at that one. And he right too.
It also the shit where I hear from "instructors" that "rds is slower at closer range than irons." and pretty much same shit covered here too.
I need to buy the man a drink, and take a class because I do want to get some carbine shit in soon.
I choked on my coffee and immediately shared the video with my buddies.
Another great video from Sage Dynamics/Aaron.
I want this in a T-shirt!!!
He needs to make the tshirt
“Well, I’ve never been attacked by a nickel, so there’s that…” LOL
I’m still laughing on and off from that 😂
Obviously mr Cowan never met magneto yet lol. Just kidding. But that was some funny shit 😆
Shoot Aaron I’m gonna use that forever. That was funny, and true
The level of detail, methodical logic and unbiased data Aaron brings to the table is unmatched. Well done, Sir.
def wouldn’t say unbiased
"I'm never gonna be attacked by a nickel."
You say that, but when the Great Nickel Revolt happens and threatens to bring an end to mankind, you're gonna be in for a rude awakening.
birdshot
This is why I have youtube, for comments like this!
“If you own it, you should check it yourself.” Best quote ever. It’s ridiculous that people come onto UA-cam to check a review of a product they own and hope for what they want to hear. These are the same people that like smelling their own farts.
Hey my farts smell gooooood
* toots *
C'mon Erick....you know darn well that you like the smell of your own farts just as much as the rest of us.
And here you are
Smelling my own farts is ecstasy.
Two classic statements:
1. "I am never going to be attacked by a nickel"
2. "I'm going to change hearts and change minds"
A-A-Ron (homage to Key and Peele) is such a knowledgeable instructor and knows how to transfer information to anyone willing to listen
Your attention to nuance and practical application is unparalleled.
Much appreciated.
The addition of the graphics is awesome. Great job man, the most educational channel in the gun community. I know when I was a noob, I had no idea what any of the firearms community language meant, so those graphics are very valuable for the noobs.
Thanks Aaron. Great review and visits topics that most casual shooters don't understand and sometimes don't even know to inquire about. Love that you visited the parallax topic.
I was thinking this was just gonna be another video discussing pros/cons and opinions on both for CQB. I love that there are real applicable tests going on. You killed it again dude.
This is the best video of yours on a non-review item. Totally appreciate you and all that you contribute. Please keep it up
A fun experiment is to close your front scope cap of your LVPO and have the reticle illuminated and shoot the rifle using bindon aiming. It really shows how much scope shadow mattets within 25 yards.
Aaron, thank you for an outstanding video! The demonstrations are fantastic!
You put out incredibly informative and educative content, Aaron. Hope to train with you soon.
Great topic and vid!!! Mr. Cowan has a way of sharing knowledge and insight that are immeasurable.
Superb.
Really appreciate the picture w/in picture showing the reticle and shadow/offset/parallax.
Seemed to me your accuracy, at least in the tests shot for this video, favored the crosshairs of the LPVO. I'd also guess you have much more time on the LPVO than most of us average folks who are choosing, or have chosen, between RDS & LPVO.
Thanks Aaron, really appreciate the learned, experienced & critical thoughts you give us here.
Thank you for your time on this subject. I appreciate your well articulative explanation with visual aids…. Well done
As a new shooter and getting to know my weapons systems, I really enjoyed this comparison video. I chose a LPVO for my DD AR and it was cool/informative/educational to see the potential with it. Especially through practice.
Aaron that was genius the way you showed where the dot was in your view
Thanks for the content brother
Great video! You are very down to earth and usually answer questions I have without knowing!
A true expert is always one that knows there is more to know. Awesome video and so many topics are well stated.
One of the more informative videos out there. Nicely done.
dude ive been literally trying to find this concise information all week, its a miracle thanks
Great video thanks! I think those results are amazing! I've been guilty of taking to long sometimes making sure my sight picture is perfect even at closer ranges and it hurts my speed sometimes. Its cool to know I can speed it up a bit if I accidentally snap up with a bit of shadow at close range I can send it n not waste precious time in a even where milliseconds could mean living or back to the mud! Love your content! Thanks for the great video!
Never thought I'd see the day when Aaron would say too much data.
I thought Data was his middle name 🤔
No such thing
Uhhh lol
Came here to say this about “…an overly comprehensive data set.” 🤣
This man needs more subscribers. He’s an absolute wealth of knowledge! Love your videos Aaron!
best presentation on the topic! Thank you for pointing me to the right direction
"I'm going to change minds and change hearts."
🤣
Me: “I’m just so much slower with a LPVO at 1x at close distances, therefore I prefer the dot for up close.”
Also me: *has almost 10k rounds through one build with one red dot, has only tried the LPVO for 100-200 rounds max*
Wild how the “whatever you train with, you get good with” principle comes true.
the stop mugging yourself off and use an LPVO with the same amount of rounds with the red dot then compare them! i find LPVO better then a red dot because i dont just do only CQB , but also medium and long range . the LPVO such as night force does is not slower then a red dot
@@geezerp1982 9 months later, I’ve found that the acog and offset dot is king for me
@@theclipazinecowboy8124 based setup
@@bravo6959 you’re a king 🫡
At the end of the day the answer is Eotech.
Thank you so much for all your videos, and all the knowledge transmitted. It's really very enjoyable, especially here in France where the possibilities are much less !
Always appreciate your detail and perspective. For what it’s worth 😆(probably not much): When I put an AR together last year. My first since 1976; my end product, excluding brand name, was the exact same configuration. This was based on: Vietnam era Marine infantry experience and Hunting experience. But mostly “OG” physical issues. ie; bad eyes, bad joints, can’t move for shit anymore. So ultimately working with a home defense/coyote gun in a 1-10 ffp, LVPO and a 45 degree offset RDS gave me the same results. Even shooting off hand. For comparison btw I use a 36yd zero on the LVPO and a 25yd zero on RDS. That gives me a 4x6/2x4 hit using a 12 o’clock hold on anything indoors with either optic.
Used your videos switching from irons to a RDS pretty much exclusively. Thanks for the helping the “OG’s”!!!!
Fabulous instruction, thanks, Aaron. You Rock, I need to train more with my LPVO.
Rick
Training to change hearts and minds myself. Great content as always, thank you for knowledge. Your channel is very under rated and will get the view counts soon. More drills like the Eleanor please
Great content. I always look forward to your videos!
As a casual viewer, I congratulate you for giving one of the best and most informative videos ever on basics of CQB optics of any channel on this topic. Your demonstration also points out why "older eyes" switch to red dots over iron sights. Target focus vs sight post focus.
I've known enough Marines who ran ACOGs for CQB who would love the eye relief on an LPVO.
VCOGs inbound
You could use a Weapon Outfitters KRAM spacer that’ll bring the acog further back and raise it a bit making it easier to shoot with
Former 0311 here. My tango 6t on a 1.54 feels almost exactly like my acog did when I was in. The only difference is they taught us there was no such thing as too little eye relief with the acog.
I forgot what the technique is called but it works.
@@MF-Rell Bindon Aiming Concept
Thanks for sharing and imparting your knowledge with us.
I'm excited to hear your objective take on this subject!
It would be an understatement to call your channel underrated. Thank you.
This was a helpful video for me considering I was undecided about purchasing a 1x6 Vortex Razor for my new 556 Noveske Infidel. Thanks! 👊🇺🇸🇺🇸💪
Really appreciated this. Also like to see Solgw getting some love. I just purchased a14.5 and I like it as much or more than my DD4. Great shooting rifles.
Thank you Sir, for this informative and entertaining presentation!
Great informative video Aaron. Job well done great edits very high quality video sir
Well at least I know I wasn’t completely off the path when going through my decision of which optic to throw on my 11.5 & I’m beyond happy with the 36 yard zero and the simplicity of the reticle and point of aim/point of impact from point blank out to 300. Very very satisfied with my Eotech 512
That bit where you said "that guy knows his shit" really got me. Ive never hear anyone but you talk about IR laser reflection off of a FSB or other piece of kit, because they don't actually know and just mount their stuff anywhere it looks cool. You mount it as far forward for that reason. You know. And thank you for sharing with us
Excellent graphic illustration of basic principles.
Excellent video. Great information and very well presented.
Very concise and informative video and in my experience you are spot on Sir!
Hell yea new sage video!!!
Great vid. Application is key with anything. I have setups for home defense and mid to long range. Offset all day. It’s all about knowing what WORKS for you. I have spoken.
Really enjoy your videos.
Your reduced target reminds me of German accuracy target used for their Kar98s for their snipers. It was a playing card which was approximately a 2x4 size for one hundred meters.
Just thought that was something cool to see.
Great video, brother! Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for sharing your insights and views.
Awesome video, applicable and useable info. Thanks.
Incredibly well done video!
This was a phenomenal video!
Very thorough. Good graphics editing. Appreciate your videos.
Edit: fantastic ending talking about enthusiast mob. Couldn't agree more in this context as well as many others. There are too many pseudoexperts that are metastasizing across the entire online community in literally every topic. Dunning-Kruger FTL (for the LOSS).
Awesome vid! Great comparison!
I’m NOT going to use the comment section to yak about what I do. Nobody should care. Just want to say thanks for the vids. Informative, thorough and appropriately sarcastic. You edify my knowledge.
Awesome very informative video as always!
Great video. Appreciate the no nonsense info. Subscribed
its all about training and the skill u have. i can run through a shoot house with no sights on my stick at all and score good clean FAST hits.Train train and then train some more especially if this is your profession because you owe it to the people to be proficient in your craft. great video brother,as always.
Thank you once again Aaron 👌🏼🙏🏼👊🏼
Highly informative video!
I love the "what kind of accuracy you're looking at..?" question very much. It's the question that I always get into an argument with local instructors in my country too cuz I don't believe in hitting a nickel every single time at whatever range.
Thank you for this. The 4x6 is good. I'll adjust my training to it.
Great video and it might not be a big deal but I would have liked to see a second focal plane as well like the vudu 1-8 to see if FFP and SFP have any major difference in the test
Very good video and info brotherhood. Keep it going 👍 💯
Wow... Interesting... Now I know what parallax is. Well done and I appreciate the video. Thanks
I've run both on my 11.5 and off a timer I'm almost identical. It helps that I've done a lot of dry fire with the lpvo but it feels better to use it under white light than red dot for me. Decision really came down to with where I live, which is very rural, so if something happened the gun will fill the jobs I need it to close or out to a little range. For reference I run the steiner P4Xi and the dot is perfect in the daylight
I would never use an LPVO because of my fragile frail hands and arms cannot handle such a heavy scope.
I've got the same setups and I can't agree more. The Steiner has an excellent red dot, and I prefer it at night (white light doesn't blow out the illumination since it's an etched reticle).
Excellent presentation
Great video. Thanks for making this
Been running an acog with an rmr on a 45 degree mount for years and it works at all ranges that I need. Also works with nods.
I think it's fair to say that red dots/ holographics are faster and easier for beginners and people who don't do a lot of practice and dryfire. You should, and that will certainly help level the playing field with LPVOs, but especially from awkward positions you can get awkward aim with a scope. You should try both and know your intended use, but generally a red dot is superior if it's actually only for CQB. Also, reticle illumination / battery life is something to consider. I like Holosun and Olight (Chinesium, i know) because of the ease to keep them running.
Great video as always
Best training and review vids anywhere
very informative, great easy to understand presentation. Well done Sir....
Lets put it this way, I'm a sound engineer, i once recorded an AWESOME bassist, he brought a squire fender, which is the cheaper base model, and he made that bass sound extremely good, i mean he could make any bass sounds good. So at the end of the day, its always the man behind the equipment.
This man will not only tell you the truth but put facts behind it. I've never watched any content from @SageDynamics and not taken something valuable from it. Thanks a million times over for what you do my man.
Great video Aaron
Great video and advice sir!
Very nicely done.
Thanks for this. I knew that parallax and eye relief was an issue for lvpo, but never knew how much of an issue.
Quantifiable information for those of us who don't own as many of the options to test, helps out.
Great video! Thanks for the info!
Great information. I have been going back and forth on .556 armageddon setup and for that red dot wins with co-witness fixed irons imo. Weight and reliability, scopes have had to get sent in for repair. T2 will just work until fixed irons co-witness are what’s left. Keep a Leica Monovid Monocular 8x 20mm in a pocket for id’ing. For engagement past 400meters the 6.5 gets broken out of the snipers pack with a 4-27x56.
So informative! Thank you so much!
Really great demonstration sir
I'm in the same boat Aaron. I use a Dot because of NOD compatibility. But I would 100% switch to an LPVO if NOD's weren't apart of the equations. Only real down side I see is the increased weight. Any who, great vid, as always!
Weight and reliability. The scopes have had to have been sent in for repair. The T2 will just work and if it doesn’t you have co-witness irons. I have been going back and forth on a Armageddon .556 setup. Red dot and fixed co witness irons win so far. Keep a Leica Monovid Monocular 8x 20mm in a pocket for id’ing targets. Not gonna engage target +3-400 meters. Need a sniper rig for that work anyway so that’s when you bust out the rig out of your snipers bag.
I recently picked up a swamp fox arrowhead 1-10 and have really enjoyed it. I use the ADM mount. For the dollars spent I am very pleased. I really enjoyed this video and always like the content from your channel. It’s reliable data.
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So much great info here!
I hope you add onto this with an acog or an elcan on 4x. I think people might be surprised how little hinderance the magnification is with a good reticle. The only reason I put an RMR on top of my os4x was for night vision.
I just don't think I'm good enough to demonstrate the difference for myself, magnified feels a little more clumsy when going fast but it seems to work out pretty similarly for me.
I had the same question... so I shot a carbine match with my Razor 1-6 and had zero issue with eyebox (unless it was on 6X instead of 1X), even shooting opposite shoulder around a fault line.
Thanks dude. Good info as always.
Awesome. Thank you as always. 🙏
Love this guy and all he does and puts out for the community! Me I prefer a re dot with a 3x on the ftc unity mounts. Hard to beat. Lpvo’s have their place for sure but for me 3x seems to be enough.
Great video! To be honest I'm more of a RDS guy personally. I don't much shooting out to long distance although I have in the past. I suppose one thing is that there are a lot more budget RDS that I'd trust on a fighting gun vs the cheap LPVOs that are suitable for defense. Although to be honest I could have bought a decent scope for the cost of my Comp M5...
thanks, good info on a debated topic. know yourself, know your weapon... & train
Fantastic video!!!
Yeah baby straight forward really like the video!
Very thorough (as usual) as this subject needs to be openly discussed. It's amazing what you can do when put in the time before you throw it away....opinions only matter when you have made your own after you exhausted the effort. Ya I sound pretty deep..lol