I looked for a video such as this just over a year ago and I have been out of the hobby since, so glad you posted it so thanks for sharing. I only have a very basic car at the moment but I can buy hop ups to tune the setup. Very interesting video, I will watch it a few time
Thanks for the feedback. I have a few more ideas in mind similar to this one. Too busy flying and racing to create new content right now. I will though.
I just watched this, very excellent info for understanding all the technical details that help with handling and set up. Thanks hope to see more of your vids🏁
best video ever !!! better than all the videos from all the proracer's and factory team's.... very help me understanding about setting up my RC car ..greets from Germany, thank you !!!
Is there any reason that prevents, instead of removing mechanical grip from the front axle to generate more understeer on the carpet car, to use narrower front tires and thus reducing front grip AND front rolling resistance? 17:10
This is perfect timing! I just bought a used SCT that was set up for carpet and I will be running it on clay. Now to just figure out what needs to be changed. Thank you.
@@trevorfurlotte Wish I could but it came with a weighted front end and back end. Even the steering geometry has been changed. Sway bar in rear too. Its all good tho, I don't mind a challenge.
So, I have a T6.2 and am struggling to get under 20mm ride hight without totally backing off the spring preload collars. What springs would you recommend to replace mine with in order to go lower without sacrificing the spring rate to prevent the chassis from slapping on and off of the jumps?
You made a great video here! It’s been a while since I raced and that’s a lot of the information I was looking for! Very nicely done explaining and dumbing it down just enough haha
Raise you inner camber arms, lower the control arm pins, softer rear springs, lighter weight oil in rear shocks, adjust servo speed in radio for slightly slower acceleration.
great video, l don't run on carpet but l do run on grass with some dirt depending on conditions at the time. l have a few SC10.5's and find them to be awesome but l keep getting the urge to buy the SC6.2. Your videos have been helpful, so far l'm sticking to my guns with the trusty SC10, l just picked up a third one the other day lol. Thank you. Cheers from the land down under.
@@trevorfurlotte I would approximate it to have less grip than carpet for sure. Possibly similar to a high bite dirt track or mild clay, IDK. Obviously fewer jumps, too. The main thing I'd like to avoid is breaking rear traction which then leads into unrecoverable fishtailing and then even worse would be catching on the tire while sideways and flipping. Any insights with those parameters in mind?
@Drunken_Hamster tires, shock oil and sway bars are key. Not stiff enough rolls too much and rolls over. Too stiff, doesn't roll enough and rolls over. Would require trial and error. Personally, I'd never try and turn an off road truck into a basher of any kind. Sounds like a money pit. I'm too OCD. If I wanted to run on the street I'd run an on road car and not try and turn a truck into a car. Make sense?
Wish I knew all this information for dirt setups back in the early 90s racing a RC10T. Back then you slapped the car together and threw it out on the track. Got your setup info from RC Car Action or you got the "Speed Secrets" which were just that, A Secret. Or you got some bad gouge from other racers like "Hold your truck down and loosen the slipper till it slips a lot" or "Hold the rear wheels and tighten the slipper till the car wheelies." Or the Hobby shop owner told you something like he "just talked to Cliff Lett...." just to sell his full price inventory.
I was going to comment similarly, noticed that your carpet car has a sway bar but dirt doesn't. Would removing the sway bar help increase corner traction and straight-line bump absorbing on a bumpy track?
Great video but you missed a few of your differences, possibly because they make less difference... Your camber links are longer on the carpet car -using the inner-most ball stud mounts. That gives more camber under compression for the dirt for grip -right?, and the longer links reduces traction roll with less camber on the carpet. You've also got stabiliser bars on the carpet car.
Great video. I am running a at a carpet this weekend and this is going to help out a lot. I did notice the rear shocks were forward for carpet and in the rear for dirt. I read that is best. I don’t think I heard you talk about that. Is that a must too for carpet? Also, do the front shocks stay in the rear? Thank you
@@trevorfurlotte nice . They really don’t want us to know what fits the original. I’m not ready to buy a new 2wd buggy yet. Just got a new t6.2 and the b74.2 is on the way
Great video !! Subbed !!! I run a SC6.1 on high grip carpet , I feel the truck is pretty dialed in ( after 2 years of test and tune ) , but recently have been thinking of switching to hard arms / chassis side rails . Am I going to see a huge difference and / or wreck my current setup ??? Also would love to hear you explain in a vid of anti squat tuning !!! Also, what / where is that battery top plate ? Looks like you can push the battery even farther than the stock AE . Thank you .
Switching to hard arms and rails will be noticeable but not so much that it causes a distraction. Look into carbon parts instead of hard though. As for the battery brace, no idea. It came on a used B6 I picked up along the way
Thanks for the video. Do you know if people limit shock travel, how for the shocks can extend out? I race on carpet and notice a lot of guys cars look like when jumping the suspension arms don’t drop down very far. It is hard to tell for sure though.
That's the thing about tires, specific tire for a specific surface. Here on what we run on Proline hole shots or JC DDs work best. Your millage may vary.
I was probably referring to high bite clay. Those setups are in between carpet and loose dirt. They require less rear weight bias than loose dirt but more rear weight bias than carpet. The gearbox configurations for AE kits are 3 or 4 gear standup, layback and laydown. A high bite clay track would use a layback gearbox. Tires would be a bar style or even slicks with some sort of traction compound applied. The track surface is sealed to pin tires slip over the surface rather than bite into it. So in short, clay tracks use layback gear box and different tires compared to dirt or carpet. Hope this helps.
@@CarveLife some do. Some like me have two completely different cars, each dedicated specifically for carpet and a different one for dirt. But most club racers just have one car that they change the diff and tires on.
who makes a pro4 truck thats already set up for carpet. all the ones i looked at are for dirt. How much money does it cost to turn a dirt truck into a carpet warrior?
@douglasedmonds8372 modern stadiums are closer to carpet truck than dirt trucks. All it takes is tires, springs, oil, gear diff and anti-sway bars. Couple of hundred bucks probably.
@trevorfurlotte Thanks, I'm driving a team associated car that I bought used, and I have made zero changes. But it seems to handle pretty well, actually. The only thing I've changed is adding slicks, I put on some smoothie 2 silvers, and that was a massive difference. It sticks to the track like velcro with them .
i REALLY wish you when over shocks more. clearly you have very different setups. almost looks like buggy shocks on the carpet setup, at least the front.
![Lp. Сердце Вселенной #60 РОЖДЕНИЕ ЛОЛОЛОШКИ [Финал] • Майнкрафт](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YoR0pAV9FVQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Such a good explanation. Lots of detail and I like how you had two of the same chassis in different setup to compare.
I looked for a video such as this just over a year ago and I have been out of the hobby since, so glad you posted it so thanks for sharing.
I only have a very basic car at the moment but I can buy hop ups to tune the setup.
Very interesting video, I will watch it a few time
Thanks for the feedback. I have a few more ideas in mind similar to this one. Too busy flying and racing to create new content right now. I will though.
@@trevorfurlotte Make more quality videos like this = eventually earn that ad revenue/ sponsorships = more $ & time to fly more & race more!
This video is a treasure. Thank you Sir :)
Great tutorial.
Love the shirt.
Cheers from Australia...
Great Job!!
This video is exactly what I was looking for as far as racing stadium on dirt
Thanks
I just watched this, very excellent info for understanding all the technical details that help with handling and set up. Thanks hope to see more of your vids🏁
best video ever !!! better than all the videos from all the proracer's and factory team's.... very help me understanding about setting up my RC car ..greets from Germany,
thank you !!!
Thank you Sir
This is way above my pay grade. Thanks!
Once people start racing, they learn pretty quickly.
@@trevorfurlotteI'm just teasing. It made perfect sense. 👍
@Mojoman57 lol thanks. I've watched it a few times in the interest of improving future videos. Mistakes were made but it's not horrible.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
You sound so similar to another channel I watch for hiking information. Gear Skeptic. At any rate well done vid.
Thanks for this its been great help I was winding what people meant when they say set up on their cars.
Is there any reason that prevents, instead of removing mechanical grip from the front axle to generate more understeer on the carpet car, to use narrower front tires and thus reducing front grip AND front rolling resistance? 17:10
Other possibly violating rules for stadium classes wheel size, I can't think of a reason not to try it.
This is perfect timing! I just bought a used SCT that was set up for carpet and I will be running it on clay. Now to just figure out what needs to be changed. Thank you.
For clay I would start with the kit's box setup.
@@trevorfurlotte Wish I could but it came with a weighted front end and back end. Even the steering geometry has been changed. Sway bar in rear too. Its all good tho, I don't mind a challenge.
What a great video. Easy to understand but very detail information! Thanks
So, I have a T6.2 and am struggling to get under 20mm ride hight without totally backing off the spring preload collars. What springs would you recommend to replace mine with in order to go lower without sacrificing the spring rate to prevent the chassis from slapping on and off of the jumps?
You made a great video here! It’s been a while since I raced and that’s a lot of the information I was looking for! Very nicely done explaining and dumbing it down just enough haha
Unfortunately I forgot to discuss sway bars but thank you!
Thank you for doing this video, I am just getting into the hobby and now beginning to make a adjustments for the carpet setup.
I forgot to mention sway bars for carpet. Keep that in mind please.
Great video! Can you do another talking about camber, caster, and toe angles between the two?
In my case, I run the same on both with the exception of toe. Camber front is -1, 0 rear. 1 to two degrees of toe out on carpet.
Awesome video 👏
Really a helpful video!! Explained everything so it was easy to understand. Great info 👍 👌 👏
🏁Awesome! Thanks for sharing
Great video. Wish you could of went into more deal about the dirt set up. I’m struggling with the rear spinning out.
Raise you inner camber arms, lower the control arm pins, softer rear springs, lighter weight oil in rear shocks, adjust servo speed in radio for slightly slower acceleration.
Wow, that was awesome
Thank you I learned alot
This is a great video
Thanks for the feedback.
Thanks for the vid.
I would watch another vid with "how to make a carpet car ok on a dirt track" :)
Well done my friend..
Thanks Sir
great video, l don't run on carpet but l do run on grass with some dirt depending on conditions at the time. l have a few SC10.5's and find them to be awesome but l keep getting the urge to buy the SC6.2. Your videos have been helpful, so far l'm sticking to my guns with the trusty SC10, l just picked up a third one the other day lol.
Thank you. Cheers from the land down under.
I love my SC6.1 but only on carpet. Hope things are going well for you down under!
How would you set up one of these to be a high-speed onroad basher with maximum grip, stability, and minimal tendency to wheelie or roll over?
Sorry, I have no idea. It's not my area of focus. Sounds fun but I haven't driven an RC off of a track since I was a kid in the 80s.
@@trevorfurlotte I would approximate it to have less grip than carpet for sure. Possibly similar to a high bite dirt track or mild clay, IDK. Obviously fewer jumps, too. The main thing I'd like to avoid is breaking rear traction which then leads into unrecoverable fishtailing and then even worse would be catching on the tire while sideways and flipping. Any insights with those parameters in mind?
@Drunken_Hamster tires, shock oil and sway bars are key. Not stiff enough rolls too much and rolls over. Too stiff, doesn't roll enough and rolls over. Would require trial and error. Personally, I'd never try and turn an off road truck into a basher of any kind. Sounds like a money pit. I'm too OCD. If I wanted to run on the street I'd run an on road car and not try and turn a truck into a car. Make sense?
Very informative video!
Thanks! Long overdue for some kind of follow-up.
We used run ball diffs on carpet Tracks back in the 90s. Associated and TLR didn't have planetary diffs.
Used what was available. Some people I run with still run ball diffs on carpet. They like to rebuild them often.
Thanks for sharing this Trevor! May i know how you decide on the thickness of diff oil?
Traction level. Lower the grip, lower the weight.
@@trevorfurlotte Got it, thanks! On a 2wd, is there any situation in which we tune steering with diff oil thinkness?
Another great video trevor 💪
Thank you!
I need to learn more about radio settings, expo etc, and more about speed controller settings
Wish I knew all this information for dirt setups back in the early 90s racing a RC10T. Back then you slapped the car together and threw it out on the track. Got your setup info from RC Car Action or you got the "Speed Secrets" which were just that, A Secret. Or you got some bad gouge from other racers like "Hold your truck down and loosen the slipper till it slips a lot" or "Hold the rear wheels and tighten the slipper till the car wheelies." Or the Hobby shop owner told you something like he "just talked to Cliff Lett...." just to sell his full price inventory.
Absolutely! I said the same thing in my JrXPro video. Built it and "raced" it as is.
great video.. should have said something about sway bars instead of hard or soft arms... only thing i can think of.
Oh man! I can't believe I forgot to talk about sway bars!
I was going to comment similarly, noticed that your carpet car has a sway bar but dirt doesn't. Would removing the sway bar help increase corner traction and straight-line bump absorbing on a bumpy track?
@@akceller8 correct
Very informative!
Well done, very helpful.
Thank you Sir
Great video but you missed a few of your differences, possibly because they make less difference... Your camber links are longer on the carpet car -using the inner-most ball stud mounts. That gives more camber under compression for the dirt for grip -right?, and the longer links reduces traction roll with less camber on the carpet. You've also got stabiliser bars on the carpet car.
"Top 10", not "Top 20". Lol i mentioned in the description, forgetting the sway bars. That definitely should have been a top 10 item.
Great video. I am running a at a carpet this weekend and this is going to help out a lot. I did notice the rear shocks were forward for carpet and in the rear for dirt. I read that is best. I don’t think I heard you talk about that. Is that a must too for carpet? Also, do the front shocks stay in the rear? Thank you
Tell us the setup 4x4 plz 😊
Sorry I can't help with that. Stadium trucks are 2wd. There are 4wd SCT but I've never run them.
You have any idea if the gear box and slipper set up from the b6.1 can fit the original b6?
It will
@@trevorfurlotte nice . They really don’t want us to know what fits the original. I’m not ready to buy a new 2wd buggy yet. Just got a new t6.2 and the b74.2 is on the way
@@colestaples2010 i figure it out by downloading the manuals and comparing part numbers
@@trevorfurlotte oh that’s a great tip, I hadn’t thought of that
I enjoyed the video
I have a question
How to use oil viscosity when using gear diff in dirt
thank you!!
Thin oil on low traction
nice vid!
Thanks!
How come some cars have the rear shocks behind the rear wheels and some in front?
Which is better?
Great video !! Subbed !!! I run a SC6.1 on high grip carpet , I feel the truck is pretty dialed in ( after 2 years of test and tune ) , but recently have been thinking of switching to hard arms / chassis side rails . Am I going to see a huge difference and / or wreck my current setup ??? Also would love to hear you explain in a vid of anti squat tuning !!! Also, what / where is that battery top plate ? Looks like you can push the battery even farther than the stock AE . Thank you .
Switching to hard arms and rails will be noticeable but not so much that it causes a distraction. Look into carbon parts instead of hard though. As for the battery brace, no idea. It came on a used B6 I picked up along the way
Should I use a heavier or lighter diff oil if running a gear diff on dirt?
Depends on traction level of dirt. Experiment time
Ball diff is toast on carpet unless you slipper is perfectly setup.
Thanks for the video. Do you know if people limit shock travel, how for the shocks can extend out? I race on carpet and notice a lot of guys cars look like when jumping the suspension arms don’t drop down very far. It is hard to tell for sure though.
The droop can be adjusted using internal limiters.
Do those dirt tires actually get traction? I couldn’t get traction with my b6 d unless I’m on clay or carpet
That's the thing about tires, specific tire for a specific surface. Here on what we run on Proline hole shots or JC DDs work best. Your millage may vary.
@@trevorfurlotte I’ll try some hole shots.
Recommendation for the best sct 4x4 servo for carpet racing? Just burnt out a savox sc 1258.
Sorry man. Can't help, not a 4wd sct guy. Never set one up. Wouldn't know where to start.
@@trevorfurlotte hmmm well what is best servo for vehicles you use and i can go from there??
@@sotorc1448 i run protek 160T
You mentioned that there is a third set up besides the carpet and dirt, but I can't find any info on it. Can you go more into more detail about that?
I was probably referring to high bite clay. Those setups are in between carpet and loose dirt. They require less rear weight bias than loose dirt but more rear weight bias than carpet. The gearbox configurations for AE kits are 3 or 4 gear standup, layback and laydown. A high bite clay track would use a layback gearbox. Tires would be a bar style or even slicks with some sort of traction compound applied. The track surface is sealed to pin tires slip over the surface rather than bite into it. So in short, clay tracks use layback gear box and different tires compared to dirt or carpet. Hope this helps.
@@trevorfurlotte absolutely. Thank you very much
Tamiya runs gear differentials
Do racers have both carpet and dirt diffs built separate and just swap them out?
@@CarveLife some do. Some like me have two completely different cars, each dedicated specifically for carpet and a different one for dirt. But most club racers just have one car that they change the diff and tires on.
who makes a pro4 truck thats already set up for carpet. all the ones i looked at are for dirt. How much money does it cost to turn a dirt truck into a carpet warrior?
@douglasedmonds8372 modern stadiums are closer to carpet truck than dirt trucks. All it takes is tires, springs, oil, gear diff and anti-sway bars. Couple of hundred bucks probably.
On a smooth High grip clay track, do you want hight or lower height?
Lower
@trevorfurlotte Thanks, I'm driving a team associated car that I bought used, and I have made zero changes. But it seems to handle pretty well, actually. The only thing I've changed is adding slicks, I put on some smoothie 2 silvers, and that was a massive difference. It sticks to the track like velcro with them .
i REALLY wish you when over shocks more. clearly you have very different setups. almost looks like buggy shocks on the carpet setup, at least the front.
@@dirtrider88 same size shocks on both trucks. The carpet truck shocks use thicker oil and stiffer springs.
@@trevorfurlotte then how the fuck is it sitting so much lower?
@dirtrider88 cups, eyelets, collars, droop adjusted with internal spacers etc. Mostly though, the ride height is adjusted simply with the collars.
You're very smart