The Darth Bane trilogy is my personal favorite Star Wars book series and my favorite sci fi book series. The story of Bane and Zannah is so engrossing and I have read it multiple times
It's a very good storyline in the EU one that many in the present day have ultimately forgotten and overlook. However if we look at the in universe story more realistically objectively the Rule of Two philosophy is heavily flawed and really stupid that makes Darth Bane a delusional nincompoop who uses surface level dark side philosophy to rationalize stupid decisions of there only being two Sith which leaves itself extremely fragile and compromised to being destroyed and losing everything in one bad generation. The Sith Grand plan ultimately was an act of arrogant vanity that was doomed to fail and collapse in the end. Which I can see as good writing as well.
Plus I always thought of the law of diminishing returns as well for the Rule of 2, because think about it, if an Apprentice eliminates their Master before the teach them everything they know, let's even say even one technique, and enough apprentices do the same, think how much knowledge could be lost. How many techniques weren't passed on because an Apprentice set a trap for their Master like with Plagues and Tenebrous, or gets while they're drunk in their sleep like with Sideous and Plagues. Not all won in a way that proves their strength, many would say otherwise but were clearly too afraid to face their Master one on one....
@@General_Kenobi_212 Not only that but let's say a Master died not because of a Apprentice but because of a outside force like bounty hunters, assassination, a medical issue, or a planetary war or some freak accident? And the Apprentice has no knowledge pass to him or her? What would happen if said Apprentice lost the drive, ambition, or incentive to continue as a Sith and be like "you know what, this is stupid I quit being a Sith lord there's nothing rewarding or good about it." And decided to live the rest of their life as average ordinary person or a business man who has no intentions of being a Sith Lord again. Then the Rule of Two completely fails and goes extinct. Not to mention what is the guarantee that the Apprentice will be smart after the Master's passing and have the proper knowledge how to run resources or have the same hatred for the Jedi? What if said Apprentice doesn't hate the Jedi just feels distant, passive, or generally doesn't really care or obsess about them because he has no interactions with them and just sees them as another group of force users who didn't do anything wrong to him on any personal or intellectual level? Then the Rule of Two fails anyway and gets sidelined. It's a extremely weak and frail doctrine that can easily be undermined and crippled with just one mess up or one guy being like "This plan is not mine I am not pursuing in this deteriorated end and vain goal anymore."
@@General_Kenobi_212 Appreciate Sith Lord: "You know what since the Master's dead and I hate the way he treated me and I find whole legacy of the Sith to be repulsive I think I might as well change things for the better and improve myself as a individual on a moral principle and value level. First off I am going to destroy all these Sith books about the Dark Side and make up my own training routine that is not malicious abuse and wicked exploitation. I am going to be a proper loving family man. To hell with the Sith cause I am not interested in it and reject it."
@thorshammer7883 @General_Kenobi_212 This is what a rather unique and refreshing reddit thread had to say about Bane's ideology, strategy, tactics, and Bane himself: "Bane talks badly about the brotherhood, but I think it's fair to point out that had he not betrayed them and let the jedi get through their blockade around Ruusan they would have likely been one of the most successful dark side organizations in galactic history." Reply: "Bane did sort of make himself the proof of his own theory." Replies under the same thread: "It's explained they would fail eventually, but there's no doubt they would have won on Ruusan if Hoth never got his help which would give them a direct route to the core. They may not have achieved galactic conquest, but they would have likely reached the same level as success as some of the greatest Sith armies of all time. Like Exar Kun, or the Tor Sith Empire." "Exactly this, Just because Bane thought something doesn't make it true." "Bane did not beat Kas'im with the force he beat him with the environment. Kas'im is clearly credited with blocking Bane's force blast, he died because the temple around him crumbled not because Bane overpowered him with the force, I think the book makes it pretty clear had they been in an open field with no environmental additions Bane wouldn't have walked away from that fight. The individual stats are never something I argued, I simply said the organization that Bane hated would have been 1 of the most successful Sith ones to date had he not sabotaged it. To criticize them with the level of success they would have actually gained without his interference is like saying ALL Sith practices up until that point were weak and pointless." "I think Bane was an idiot. To me, the best interpretation of the Sith ideology is the way that it is portrayed in the old republic MMO. The Sith are self-serving and power hungry, rather than necessarily evil. They maintain power through careful planning, cunning, training, and strength in the force, rather than simply trying to out-evil each other." Reply: "That was mainly because they ultimately answered to the Emperor, who was only a few steps short of being a deity and was thus more powerful than any of the Sith could hope to be." "Bane is the traitor. He became a fanatic and betrayed the Brotherhood, undermining their war effort and then labeling them weak for it. Fuck Bane. I hate the character and his ideology." Clarification 1 from the same user: "Yeah. I actually enjoyed him during his time at the academy. He dealt with a lot of bullshit and overcame it, but it really warped him - if warped is the right word when discussing the differences between Sith ideologies,- and I felt like everything he did after that was essentially rooted in his need to satisfy his own vanity. I realize that Sith betraying one another is what Sith do, but all of his betrayals struck me as motivated by a desire to prove the truth of his assertions. "So and so is weak and will fail!" This is of course followed by him sabotaging allies/peers/superiors and then saying "I knew it!" I am obviously vastly simplifying the plot of the trilogy, but that was genuinely how I perceive his character." Clarification 2 from the same user: "He is a complex character, I think. But also not one I enjoy reading, simply because he is so blind to his own double standards and the weaknesses of his own brand of extremism." Reply: "Had the brotherhood been allowed to keep going the war between the Sith and Jedi would still be going on. Bane got the rule of two from Darth Revan who also knew the Sith could never win in an all out war against the Jedi. So what Bane did was ensuring the Sith would survive for eons, hell Kaan himself was growing extremely paranoid and was going to crack sooner or later. Bane knew this and took action and look what happened Palpatine turned the Jedi order inside out and destroyed them because they never saw it coming until it was too late." I personally disagree with the last one, for all the reasons you both listed. Also, none of those are my comments, I just simply happened upon the reddit post on r/StarWarsEU and liked the fresh and unique perspective.
The audiobook is definitely the best way to enjoy this trilogy with the music, sound effects, and expert narration. It's like listening to a movie
Jonathan Davis over Mark Harris
Agreed that audiobook made a movie in my head
Love this novel trilogy, and happy to see Everest Productions adapt it, except for including the TCW armour.
Yes I am so excited for more Everest videos!
This is my favorite Star Wars novel.
Dessel 🤝 D-16
From miners to totally badass villains!
The Darth Bane trilogy is my personal favorite Star Wars book series and my favorite sci fi book series. The story of Bane and Zannah is so engrossing and I have read it multiple times
I’m a little curious to know if you’ll ever cover the novelizations of the prequel and og trilogies?
Right only the ROTS novelization
TCW did him so wrong 😂😂😂
@@cosinguspalpatine4449 why is that something to laugh about aren't you not pissed god stop with that emoji
@@Misery7531 im laughing cause TCW is ass, everyone worships it. Darth bane in TCW is already out there so what can I do about it ya know?
the bane books are definitely the best star wars i've read.
3 minutes in and i already heard path of destruction 9 times lol.
why doesn't Disney release more Legends despite it sells "its not about the money its about the message"
Peak sith story. Tcw version suck
It's a very good storyline in the EU one that many in the present day have ultimately forgotten and overlook.
However if we look at the in universe story more realistically objectively the Rule of Two philosophy is heavily flawed and really stupid that makes Darth Bane a delusional nincompoop who uses surface level dark side philosophy to rationalize stupid decisions of there only being two Sith which leaves itself extremely fragile and compromised to being destroyed and losing everything in one bad generation. The Sith Grand plan ultimately was an act of arrogant vanity that was doomed to fail and collapse in the end. Which I can see as good writing as well.
Plus I always thought of the law of diminishing returns as well for the Rule of 2, because think about it, if an Apprentice eliminates their Master before the teach them everything they know, let's even say even one technique, and enough apprentices do the same, think how much knowledge could be lost. How many techniques weren't passed on because an Apprentice set a trap for their Master like with Plagues and Tenebrous, or gets while they're drunk in their sleep like with Sideous and Plagues. Not all won in a way that proves their strength, many would say otherwise but were clearly too afraid to face their Master one on one....
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Not only that but let's say a Master died not because of a Apprentice but because of a outside force like bounty hunters, assassination, a medical issue, or a planetary war or some freak accident? And the Apprentice has no knowledge pass to him or her? What would happen if said Apprentice lost the drive, ambition, or incentive to continue as a Sith and be like "you know what, this is stupid I quit being a Sith lord there's nothing rewarding or good about it." And decided to live the rest of their life as average ordinary person or a business man who has no intentions of being a Sith Lord again. Then the Rule of Two completely fails and goes extinct. Not to mention what is the guarantee that the Apprentice will be smart after the Master's passing and have the proper knowledge how to run resources or have the same hatred for the Jedi? What if said Apprentice doesn't hate the Jedi just feels distant, passive, or generally doesn't really care or obsess about them because he has no interactions with them and just sees them as another group of force users who didn't do anything wrong to him on any personal or intellectual level? Then the Rule of Two fails anyway and gets sidelined. It's a extremely weak and frail doctrine that can easily be undermined and crippled with just one mess up or one guy being like "This plan is not mine I am not pursuing in this deteriorated end and vain goal anymore."
@@General_Kenobi_212
Appreciate Sith Lord: "You know what since the Master's dead and I hate the way he treated me and I find whole legacy of the Sith to be repulsive I think I might as well change things for the better and improve myself as a individual on a moral principle and value level. First off I am going to destroy all these Sith books about the Dark Side and make up my own training routine that is not malicious abuse and wicked exploitation. I am going to be a proper loving family man. To hell with the Sith cause I am not interested in it and reject it."
@thorshammer7883 @General_Kenobi_212 This is what a rather unique and refreshing reddit thread had to say about Bane's ideology, strategy, tactics, and Bane himself:
"Bane talks badly about the brotherhood, but I think it's fair to point out that had he not betrayed them and let the jedi get through their blockade around Ruusan they would have likely been one of the most successful dark side organizations in galactic history."
Reply: "Bane did sort of make himself the proof of his own theory."
Replies under the same thread: "It's explained they would fail eventually, but there's no doubt they would have won on Ruusan if Hoth never got his help which would give them a direct route to the core. They may not have achieved galactic conquest, but they would have likely reached the same level as success as some of the greatest Sith armies of all time. Like Exar Kun, or the Tor Sith Empire."
"Exactly this, Just because Bane thought something doesn't make it true."
"Bane did not beat Kas'im with the force he beat him with the environment. Kas'im is clearly credited with blocking Bane's force blast, he died because the temple around him crumbled not because Bane overpowered him with the force, I think the book makes it pretty clear had they been in an open field with no environmental additions Bane wouldn't have walked away from that fight.
The individual stats are never something I argued, I simply said the organization that Bane hated would have been 1 of the most successful Sith ones to date had he not sabotaged it. To criticize them with the level of success they would have actually gained without his interference is like saying ALL Sith practices up until that point were weak and pointless."
"I think Bane was an idiot.
To me, the best interpretation of the Sith ideology is the way that it is portrayed in the old republic MMO. The Sith are self-serving and power hungry, rather than necessarily evil. They maintain power through careful planning, cunning, training, and strength in the force, rather than simply trying to out-evil each other."
Reply: "That was mainly because they ultimately answered to the Emperor, who was only a few steps short of being a deity and was thus more powerful than any of the Sith could hope to be."
"Bane is the traitor. He became a fanatic and betrayed the Brotherhood, undermining their war effort and then labeling them weak for it. Fuck Bane. I hate the character and his ideology."
Clarification 1 from the same user: "Yeah. I actually enjoyed him during his time at the academy. He dealt with a lot of bullshit and overcame it, but it really warped him - if warped is the right word when discussing the differences between Sith ideologies,- and I felt like everything he did after that was essentially rooted in his need to satisfy his own vanity. I realize that Sith betraying one another is what Sith do, but all of his betrayals struck me as motivated by a desire to prove the truth of his assertions.
"So and so is weak and will fail!" This is of course followed by him sabotaging allies/peers/superiors and then saying "I knew it!"
I am obviously vastly simplifying the plot of the trilogy, but that was genuinely how I perceive his character."
Clarification 2 from the same user: "He is a complex character, I think. But also not one I enjoy reading, simply because he is so blind to his own double standards and the weaknesses of his own brand of extremism."
Reply: "Had the brotherhood been allowed to keep going the war between the Sith and Jedi would still be going on. Bane got the rule of two from Darth Revan who also knew the Sith could never win in an all out war against the Jedi. So what Bane did was ensuring the Sith would survive for eons, hell Kaan himself was growing extremely paranoid and was going to crack sooner or later. Bane knew this and took action and look what happened Palpatine turned the Jedi order inside out and destroyed them because they never saw it coming until it was too late."
I personally disagree with the last one, for all the reasons you both listed. Also, none of those are my comments, I just simply happened upon the reddit post on r/StarWarsEU and liked the fresh and unique perspective.
You should read Darth Plagueis
I have ua-cam.com/video/jta0jbK3_oE/v-deo.html
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Actually, the Thought Bomb was introduced in the novella Star Wars: Dark Forces: Jedi Knight.