Very glad this became it's own clipped segment. The best thing about Pat's explanation is that yes, it's overly simplified, reductive, and exaggerated; but it's not wrong, and if anything, is close to how these things come off with just a second of thought put to them.
The total discombobulation felt as Pat jumps around in the timeline to backfill plot actually recreates the effect these shows had on anyone watching them at the time. 10/10 storytelling.
When Private says he thinks Star Wars got fucked worse than Star Trek and Pat replies "I can see how you would come to that conclusion" it is my favorite part of the whole conversation. I cant tell if thats an agreement, a neutral response, or if i just have no clue how much more fucked Star Trek actually is.
Star Trek has been killed worse - Star Wars is still fundamentally Star Wars and the problems are more related to character assassination and poor writing. On the other hand, Star Trek has now completely rejected the original rationalist idealism in favor of romanticist cultism, alongside rejecting the diplomacy and discussion of the original for action and neurotic arguments for dramatic purposes. Unfortunately, Star Trek is far less popular and culturally relevant so the people watching Star Trek today only ever knew pew pew lasers and depressing backstories.
Private confusing Mike Tyson for Shaquille O'Neil had me like "come on man, you're better than that" but then Private having no idea what 'shipping' is in 2024 reminded me he's just a lil guy who we must protect at all costs.
For all the worthy criticism of the prequels, it packed so many more layers into the throne room scene in RotJ. The whole scene is like an onion. It explained how Anakin hadn't fallen to the Dark Side, so what Yoda said wasn't contradicted. The hatred that Luke felt and which fueled Vader turned out to be self-loathing and even then, that self-loathing was fueled by his love for Padme and his friends he betrayed. So Vader becoming a Jedi-hunter in between trilogies is a means both to seek his death but also to further torture his sense of morality. Death is what he deserved and Anakin wanted its reprieve yes, but he fought on regardless since he never believed he deserved the peace of death. He deserved to suffer. His hatred would fuel him for as long as his love could last. Which as it turns out, was unfaltering. So Anakin kept felling Jedi after Jedi in the vain hope of being defeated by one, but to no avail. Enter Luke and yes, Luke defeats him. Then SPARES him. And that's just ONE layer which exists now thanks to the prequels. This then answers the question posed by the prequel trilogy: 'Should Jedi be allowed to love?' Certainly, Anakin's love resulted in the original trilogy's events. But then, it also protected him from the Emperor's complete domination and protected him from everything he did while indulging in his sadomasochism. In the end, Anakin could not let go of his love and even as a fallen Jedi, it's his love that made him so powerful. That's the tragedy of Darth Vader. 'You were right. You were right about me. Tell your sister, you were right.' Lucas is a true romantic and he can wield Jung as well as anyone else. His dialogue was wood though.
I love that summary. Luke redeemed space Hitler, but he couldn’t resist drawing his weapon on a sleeping kid because he had a nightmare or something. “Somehow Palpatine returned” was immediately understood to be a concession from the writers, so you basically put him on the same page as any Star Wars fan. Rey has this super meta understanding that she’s supposed to be some character’s daughter, gets told that’s not the point like any modern female protag with the cookie-cutter solution of “just be yourself,” and then she actually turns out to be satan’s granddaughter. “Summary execution” of all the OG characters XD
The prequels made a lot more sense when you look at Lucas' other films. He was always pushing boundaries with weird experiments and everything went right for ANH and ESB, less so for the prequels and others like Willow. Some people blame him having more creative control, but I think the real issue is that the prequels rely heavily on dialogue to flesh out more complicated characters like Anakin. The OT cast has well-known stories about clunky dialogue, but it causes less issues when the characters are simpler (Harrison Ford also helps a LOT). I think Luke's cut Sullust line is peak George Lucas: amazing world building, but weird and stilted as something a real human being would say in passing. He's great at scenes like the Throne Room at the end of ROTJ that highlight the spirituality/morality of the setting, but can't write teenagers flirting to save his life.
I don't think the prequels were 9/11 inspired tbh. I think it draws a lot more from Hitler's rise to power. A lot of Plapatine's emergency powers, stuff reminds me of article 48 (I think that's the one) in Weimar Germany.
I don't know that much about Star Wars and this broke my brain too. No wonder Private had to go on vacation lol. This is up there with the Far Harbor stream.
Solo also added gas for space ships. So every single part of the universe collapses, because every outlaw, every ship building the 47 death stars, every space pirate, now has to twice a day go back home and refill their gas tanks to keep the ships running.
I saw that this video was 2 hrs long and at first I wasn't sure I could devote the neccessary attention span to watch it. I'm laughing almost every minute currently.
I am honored and impressed you put this up as it's own video.. but amazed that you bothered to edit together tons of visual puns, jokes and actual footage. I'm sure Sesh would've appreciated it at the time 😂
Between "Somehow Palpatine returned" and "I am all the Jedi," J. J. Abrams succeeded in ensuring that TRoS lives in the collective conscious for decades.
To make it perfectly clear how much disney fucked up with luke skywalker, Luke quite literally becomes a god at some point in the legends novels. Briefly, of course. He BRIEFLY became a god.
I might be a bit pedantic here but the phantom menace came out 2 years before 9/11 and the war on terror, kinda weird to say it was about events that didnt even happen yet
The war on "terror" might not've been named that, but had been going on for a while. Really not any different than the war on communism. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing about if the prequels are about that or not, though, I'd have to rewatch with that in mind.
I’m sure it’s loosely analogous to many historical things. Basically a high ranking senator in a republic creates a crisis by funding both sides of a war then uses the crisis he created to gain ultimate power. Chaos is a ladder.
You have to understand the actor for Padme is a Israelite so obviously she fell in love with the Aryan man who just admitted to slaughtering a bunch of sand people.
"we haven't even gotten to Mando" I think he should have said. Boba or. Acolyte... Acolyte is worse It made the prequels and the lore of the realm. Have no meaning and everyone and I mean everyone into. Monsters which does not work if. This is the pre prequel
I grew up with the sequels and i never ever got the vibe that it was about the iraq war or 9/11. You need to watch those again bro and reevaluate your life. 1:05
"So thats episode 8, its mildly divisive" Never change, Pat
Genuinely one of the funniest conversations I have ever heard. So glad this is its own clip.
Those Bethesda houses sure went places
The list was incomplete and anyways since fallout 3 incidental housing wasn't included.
And she was a good friend
Very glad this became it's own clipped segment. The best thing about Pat's explanation is that yes, it's overly simplified, reductive, and exaggerated; but it's not wrong, and if anything, is close to how these things come off with just a second of thought put to them.
i love that Snoke is barely mentioned at all in this explanation, despite being the major antagonist for two of the films.
isn't he a Hitler v4? im confused on SW hitler count tbf
The total discombobulation felt as Pat jumps around in the timeline to backfill plot actually recreates the effect these shows had on anyone watching them at the time. 10/10 storytelling.
When Private says he thinks Star Wars got fucked worse than Star Trek and Pat replies "I can see how you would come to that conclusion" it is my favorite part of the whole conversation.
I cant tell if thats an agreement, a neutral response, or if i just have no clue how much more fucked Star Trek actually is.
This segment of the live stream started with Pat doing exactly this but for Star Trek.
He does mention that Patrick Steward became a cuck
It's an ironic understatement. Star wars has been utterly abused and ruined.
He started off this tangent with Star Trek first; that's why the freeze frame is of William Shatner's smug countenance lol.
Star Trek has been killed worse - Star Wars is still fundamentally Star Wars and the problems are more related to character assassination and poor writing. On the other hand, Star Trek has now completely rejected the original rationalist idealism in favor of romanticist cultism, alongside rejecting the diplomacy and discussion of the original for action and neurotic arguments for dramatic purposes.
Unfortunately, Star Trek is far less popular and culturally relevant so the people watching Star Trek today only ever knew pew pew lasers and depressing backstories.
At least Star Wars is a walking corpse - Star Trek has been rotting in a mausoleum since 2005.
"I'm only wet because it's raining here."
Private confusing Mike Tyson for Shaquille O'Neil had me like "come on man, you're better than that" but then Private having no idea what 'shipping' is in 2024 reminded me he's just a lil guy who we must protect at all costs.
Pat is doing like, the exact opposite of protecting him here lmao
The most fucked up part is that this was all 80-90% accurate…
its that moment when you stop laughing along and realize pat is not even making most of this up
that might be a little generous lol
The glut shitto part was amazing
54:00 i love when he just starts describing Dune.
she was a good friend LMAO
For all the worthy criticism of the prequels, it packed so many more layers into the throne room scene in RotJ. The whole scene is like an onion. It explained how Anakin hadn't fallen to the Dark Side, so what Yoda said wasn't contradicted. The hatred that Luke felt and which fueled Vader turned out to be self-loathing and even then, that self-loathing was fueled by his love for Padme and his friends he betrayed.
So Vader becoming a Jedi-hunter in between trilogies is a means both to seek his death but also to further torture his sense of morality. Death is what he deserved and Anakin wanted its reprieve yes, but he fought on regardless since he never believed he deserved the peace of death. He deserved to suffer. His hatred would fuel him for as long as his love could last. Which as it turns out, was unfaltering. So Anakin kept felling Jedi after Jedi in the vain hope of being defeated by one, but to no avail. Enter Luke and yes, Luke defeats him. Then SPARES him. And that's just ONE layer which exists now thanks to the prequels.
This then answers the question posed by the prequel trilogy: 'Should Jedi be allowed to love?' Certainly, Anakin's love resulted in the original trilogy's events. But then, it also protected him from the Emperor's complete domination and protected him from everything he did while indulging in his sadomasochism. In the end, Anakin could not let go of his love and even as a fallen Jedi, it's his love that made him so powerful. That's the tragedy of Darth Vader.
'You were right. You were right about me. Tell your sister, you were right.' Lucas is a true romantic and he can wield Jung as well as anyone else. His dialogue was wood though.
Can’t believe private isn’t aware of Star Wars ep 13 the god emperor of tatooine
Hope EFAP crew sees this. Its priceless
Pat trying to explain disney star wars catastrophe to a wholesome private disbelieving the madness that it is, is truly perfection of entertainment
I love that this Star Wars education session is happening with a smirking Bill Shatner in the background.
I love that summary.
Luke redeemed space Hitler, but he couldn’t resist drawing his weapon on a sleeping kid because he had a nightmare or something. “Somehow Palpatine returned” was immediately understood to be a concession from the writers, so you basically put him on the same page as any Star Wars fan. Rey has this super meta understanding that she’s supposed to be some character’s daughter, gets told that’s not the point like any modern female protag with the cookie-cutter solution of “just be yourself,” and then she actually turns out to be satan’s granddaughter.
“Summary execution” of all the OG characters XD
"Is this just like, the story of the Kennedys?"
[bumping noises, awkward silence]
"Yes"
Sounds like Private Sessions wants to plunge into the infinite well of EFAP. I swear I can almost hear the lads egg Pat on in this clip.
This segment was extremely entertaining. Thank you for clipping it.
its so funny to see him assume baby yoda is just the real name and be confused how the hell he is related to the old one
What a wild time that real estate stream was.
The prequels made a lot more sense when you look at Lucas' other films. He was always pushing boundaries with weird experiments and everything went right for ANH and ESB, less so for the prequels and others like Willow. Some people blame him having more creative control, but I think the real issue is that the prequels rely heavily on dialogue to flesh out more complicated characters like Anakin. The OT cast has well-known stories about clunky dialogue, but it causes less issues when the characters are simpler (Harrison Ford also helps a LOT).
I think Luke's cut Sullust line is peak George Lucas: amazing world building, but weird and stilted as something a real human being would say in passing. He's great at scenes like the Throne Room at the end of ROTJ that highlight the spirituality/morality of the setting, but can't write teenagers flirting to save his life.
The dialogue is stilted but it's also flatly shot. I think it wouldn't have been nearly as bad if it had better camera work.
@@numidium3 The prequels, but shot and directed by David Fincher is an amazing thought.
The house of ketamine Yoda
"dude, come on, dont act like you've never heard of glup shitto"
when he said it was a fall out new vegas stream at the end i just started crying oh my god
Pat's history lesson is still funny the third time.
The payoff when Pat reveals its all just been to be "transformative" with indigos video was the greatest feeling ive ever gotten during a live stream.
I don't think the prequels were 9/11 inspired tbh. I think it draws a lot more from Hitler's rise to power. A lot of Plapatine's emergency powers, stuff reminds me of article 48 (I think that's the one) in Weimar Germany.
pretty wild just how much of it is actually correct
Seeing a Morrowind head pop out of a Halo 2 character is bizarre.
Lmao Pat turning it into a Dune Glup Shitto shitpost mid way through is certainly a choice.
Watching this live is one of the great privileges of my life.
I second this. I was cooking dinner for my family with my headphones on and chortling the entire time.
I am so happy you edited in relevant clips
indigo's fallout video caused this
I'm so sorry.
I don't know that much about Star Wars and this broke my brain too. No wonder Private had to go on vacation lol. This is up there with the Far Harbor stream.
first we had Bethesda houses, then we had crack houses. so glad you clipped this
Solo also added gas for space ships. So every single part of the universe collapses, because every outlaw, every ship building the 47 death stars, every space pirate, now has to twice a day go back home and refill their gas tanks to keep the ships running.
People talk about CumTown having ezcruciatingly long bits but this was absolute magic to see/listen live.
Yo, another Cumboy. Nick and Pat in an ideal world would be cool friends
Imagine if they got mauler on
one of my favourite fallout streams
I saw that this video was 2 hrs long and at first I wasn't sure I could devote the neccessary attention span to watch it. I'm laughing almost every minute currently.
I am honored and impressed you put this up as it's own video.. but amazed that you bothered to edit together tons of visual puns, jokes and actual footage. I'm sure Sesh would've appreciated it at the time 😂
YES, I WAS HOPING FOR THIS. THANK YOU
I love that Concept , may Try it in The Future Whit collages
Between "Somehow Palpatine returned" and "I am all the Jedi," J. J. Abrams succeeded in ensuring that TRoS lives in the collective conscious for decades.
I’m sick with a chest infection didn’t know this video was gonna be this funny I’m legit dying with laughter 😂😊
To make it perfectly clear how much disney fucked up with luke skywalker, Luke quite literally becomes a god at some point in the legends novels. Briefly, of course. He BRIEFLY became a god.
I might be a bit pedantic here but the phantom menace came out 2 years before 9/11 and the war on terror, kinda weird to say it was about events that didnt even happen yet
The war on "terror" might not've been named that, but had been going on for a while. Really not any different than the war on communism. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing about if the prequels are about that or not, though, I'd have to rewatch with that in mind.
I’m sure it’s loosely analogous to many historical things.
Basically a high ranking senator in a republic creates a crisis by funding both sides of a war then uses the crisis he created to gain ultimate power.
Chaos is a ladder.
despite them being bad I still love the prequals
👑Glup Shitto👑
This was legendary watching this live and the punchline I am so happy to have called coming
You have to understand the actor for Padme is a Israelite so obviously she fell in love with the Aryan man who just admitted to slaughtering a bunch of sand people.
1000 y.o. IoIis is what it's all about 😭😭😭
Profile pic checks out
@ikariameriks 😭👍
"we haven't even gotten to Mando" I think he should have said. Boba or. Acolyte... Acolyte is worse
It made the prequels and the lore of the realm. Have no meaning and everyone and I mean everyone into. Monsters which does not work if. This is the pre prequel
horses in space
So Rae is Moses, Virgin Mary, the Son, and the Holy spirit all in one swiss army knife?
Oh man, this shit's funny.
The prequels were good, and the once that disagree just don't have the attention spawn or the capacity to follow the plot.
andor good, however
at least andor was good
Ep. IV & V - Good
Ep. VI - Mediocre
Ep. I-III - Bad
Ep. VII-IX - Abominations
Rogue One & Solo - Who cares?
Ep 6 has some problems but the ending was satisfying
@@mrminecraftcubeable Agreed. It's actually always been my favorite in the franchise.
Revenge of the sith has got to be the best of the sequel trilogy.
Prequels alright
Prequels alright
Yeah it was fun
I grew up with the sequels and i never ever got the vibe that it was about the iraq war or 9/11. You need to watch those again bro and reevaluate your life. 1:05
And she was a good friend