The WORST Quarterback Change in Seattle Seahawks HISTORY | 1986 Seahawks
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2021
- During the 1986 NFL season, Seattle Seahawks head coach Chuck Knox benched starting quarterback Dave Krieg for backup Gale Gilbert in hopes that a somewhat sputtering offense would improve. As it turns out, the offense would somehow not only find a way to get worse, but would become historically bad by the franchise's standards. And this costly benching may have cost the Seahawks a spot in the postseason
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Members of the 1986 Seahawks:
Vincent Gamache
Gale Gilbert
Norm Johnson
Dave Krieg
Terry Taylor
Paul Moyer
Dave Brown
Patrick Hunter
Kerry Justin
Gregg Johnson
Curt Warner
Bobby Joe Edmonds
John Williams
Eric Lane
Eugene Robinson
Randall Morris
Kenny Easley
Eddie Anderson
Fredd Young
Sam Merriman
Will Grant
Keith Butler
John Kaiser
Michael Jackson
Greg Gaines
Bruce Scholtz
Blair Bush
Glenn Hyde
Alonzo Mitz
Kani Kauahi
Reggie Kinlaw
Edwin Bailey
Randy Edwards
Ron Mattes
Bryan Millard
Joe Nash
Curt Singer
Mike Wilson
Jon Borchardt
Jeff Bryant
Bob Cryder
Jacob Green
Steve Largent
Daryl Turner
Paul Skansi
Ray Butler
Gordon Hudson
Mike Tice
Byron Franklin
Byron Walker
Jim Laughton
Chuck Knox (head coach) - Спорт
Steve Largent is my all time favorite HAWK being the first Hall of Famer. GO HAWKS.
Between him and Russ, the Seahawks have a knack for finding undersized Hall of Fame caliber players.
I saw an Interesting graphic the other night. When Tom Brady made his first start in 2001, Krieg was #6 in TD passes all time. He retired as a top passer, and now that same list has pretty much obliterated anyone on it from the 70s and 80s except Marino. The game has changed a lot
Yeah, but, in, SB 52, Tom Brady forced the ball, (with, the predictable result), it cost them the Game, and, any other, QB, gets destroyed, oh, The More Things Change.
I do wonder what some of those QBs in the 80s and 90s would have done with current rules protecting them. Krieg might have been up there with Marino without having to get crushed by Mark Gastineau. Except Marino probably would have been ultra ridiculous in the stats.
@John Chedsey Yeah, still would have won nothing, with, no running game, though.
@@matthewdaley746 that old Kingdoms turf was what made RB's "die early deaths"
@@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520 Curt Warner, most notoriously.
Eagles fan here, so growing up in the 80s I only saw the Hawks when they were the 4 PM game on NBC. All I remember about Seattle from that era was that Kreig to Largent was a deadly combo, and that dome was crazy loud.
You did not grow up in the eighties.
Krieg is a little bit underappreciated. He was pretty darned good in those days. Granted, he clearly needed a couple weeks off that season to get his head cleared up and refocused. But overall, he helped turn the Seahawks from an expansion punching bag into a legitimate playoff team. He's #2 on my list of favorite Seahawks quarterbacks.
Now if only he didn't fumble every time a linebacker looked at him.
The O line in Kreig's time was suited to run blocking than pass protection. If RW, thinks he has rough he should look at the film, calling it porous is putting it mildly. Yet Kreig never complained he just got on with it. He is one of our greats. Go Hawks
Gee i wonder who #1 is?
Dave Kreig , was a lot, lot better than pretty darn good. Only our greats are in the Ring of Honour. Go Hawks
@@scottlemiere2024 he had badger hands. I guess they were ridiculously small. I always wondered what the hell
Speaking of the 1986 Jets, you should do a video of how they started off 10-1, got crushed in their last 5 regular season games, replaced Ken O Brien and won their wildcard game, and then lost an epic double OT game in Cleveland
Remains the only year, in, the, SB, era, where, both, NY teams won a Playoff Game.
It’s no secret. Team was riddled with injuries late in the season
@@chrispress2818 Whatever happened, they were outscored 61-183 in their last 5 games, while Ken O'Brien threw 2 TDs and 12 ints over the same span
@@matthewdaley746 Plus the Mets won the World Series
@Mister Resister Giants, won, the, SB.
Great video. I remember this change well. As a kid, the Seahawks of Jim Zorn and David Krieg were always an adventure to watch in the 70s and 80s. But the 1986 Seahawks made a huge error in making the change from Kreig to Gilbert. It was a disaster and definitely an awful decision. Nice job with this story-telling
My Uncle has that Chiefs-Seahawks game on VHS. He has every Chiefs game on VHS from 1983 to 2010.
That's impressive.
Kreig would be an interesting subject in a new video…”The sack that Derrick Thomas missed that cost the Chiefs a game”
He had a Game that was historic, but, he couldn't finish it, wasn't that, His Career In A Nutshell, truly sad, indeed.
'90 season. That was first road team win in kc/seahawk series after home team swept all 80's match-ups.
@@stevenbauer4799 Many decades, bad unlucky.
this👆🏾
@grinningchicken Hope they win, again.
The chiefs beat the Steelers in the wild card race, which was impressive considering they lost a key game earlier in the season against the raiders. They lost to a play that has likely changed the way instant replay worked.
I love any video that talks about Dave "Mudbone" Krieg! Great video dude!
Dave Kreig, my all time favourite Hawks player. I remember that season well, it was classic streaky, Dave Kreig, started the season hot mid season he went cold got benched. Then came back red hot . Kreig, was under valued , after he left it wasn't until Matt Hasselbeck over decade later we got consistently good play from the QB position. Go Hawks
Greetings from the United Kingdom. RW, is the MVP player in franchise history. However, Steve Largent is the greatest Hawks player of all time, not RW that is beyond question. I am old school Hawks fan and had to tell younger 12 that Largent is the greatest , not RW. Go Hawks
Still not as bad as when they finally let Krieg walk and couldn't buy a touchdown in 1992.
The ‘86 Seahawks are the ultimate what if team
So the solution was to essentially turn Krieg off and on again?
Best comment of the week on youtube!
Sounds like my mini pc every now and then...except a tablet is a much better alternative than Gale Gilbert
Reboot!
The 1986 Seahawks defeated the NY Giants and the Denver Broncos in 1986.
If the Seahawks had made the Playoffs that year, they would have made a lot of noise.
They weren’t even the best 10-6 AFC team to miss the playoffs that year (Cincinnati, who actually beat those aforementioned Seahawks)
I remember that Jets game. Ken O'Brien threw a touchdown bomb to Al Toon that he caught between his legs! Seemed like everything went right for the Jets and wrong for the Hawks that day.
That stretch of games leading up to his benching were against some of the top teams in league. Sometimes guys just hit a slump. This was an awesome video because it brought back so many memories of when the NFL was interesting to watch, at least for me.
Lions fan here, and I will always be thankful that Dave Krieg saved the Lions 1994 season with his sound and steady QB play when he replaced Scott Mitchell due to injury. He led the team to a 5-2 record and a wildcard berth. Krieg's stats across the board were better or far better than what Mitchell had after nine games.
I still remember the playoff game at Green Bay. Barry held to -1 yards rushing. Reggie White dominated the Lions offensive line. Jason Hanson missing a Field Goal in the first half. Krieg just missing Herman Moore for a TD on their final drive that would of put the Lions up.
Dave Krieg and the Lions defense kept us in the game, but that 16-12 loss stung because it was the second year in a row losing to GB in the playoffs.
Who was the Lions quarterback that led them to their only playoffs win in franchise history over the Cowboys? I thought that guy was pretty underrated, seemed like he did a good job but they kicked him to the curb for more shinny looking objects that turned out to be fools gold.
@@ckobo84 Erik Kramer was the QB that led the Lions in that playoff win against the Cowboys. Unfortunate that he and the team laid an egg in the NFC Championship game vs. Washington. It's the closest the Lions have been to getting to the Super Bowl. Crazy.
My old man knew the race car driver Dick Trickle...🤣🤣🤣
I miss the old Seahawks uniforms.
Best NFL uniforms EVER!!!!!!!!
I wish they came back alongside the Bill Parcells 90s Patriot uniforms
As I'm led to believe (by someone who works for the organization), the Seahawks can't have a retro game because their helmets are a totally different color now. If today's Seahawks still had silver/gray helmets, then they could wear retro uniforms for a game or two. So, I say bring back the old uniforms permanently!
I went and saw their airplane at Hopkins airport in Cleve. In '88, it was sweet, had it painted just like helmets, with the long bird down the whole plane. I love those uni's way better than the new ones
That move likely cost the Hawks a shot at the playoffs as they went 10-6 that season and the Seahawks had two really good QBs to start their franchise's history in Zorn and Kreig but neither one got a full 10-year run as the starter because of benching decisions by Knox. I just love any history as there were a lot of them on the expansion era Hawks specifically when they were in the Kingdome. I would love to some stories about the Hawks during the 90s as well when they were abysmal. There was just a lot of mystery within this franchise's earlier years as one of the weirdest ones was how they went winless at home during the 1980 season.
Those Seahawks were capable of making some noise in the playoffs; also capable of pooping their pants. They beat both Super Bowl teams (Giants and Broncos) in 86', but missed the playoffs. That's the 80s Seahawks in a nutshell.
@@eugenedenbrook322 Yep, the Seahawks probably would've been only good for winning one game, they weren't as good as the Seahawks team that went down to Miami and beat the Dolphins in 1983.
@@eugenedenbrook322 Over the last 5 games of the '86 season the Seahawks scored more points than anybody, including the Dolphins. So yeah, they might have won a playoff game or two.
Still my favorite Seahawk. Guy used to enter axe throwing competitions
Weird how memories work. I remember this frustrating season well, and I could have sworn that Gilbert started 4 games, and the Seahawks were blown out in all of them before Knox finally put Krieg back in. I had to google the 1986 season to verify this video is correct. He only started 2 games and Knox put Krieg back in during the second game, which they lost. And then they lost the next game with Krieg as the starter before he and the rest of the team caught fire for the last 5 games. My inaccurate memory had Krieg returning as the starter and immediately racking up 5 wins and playing like Joe Montana. It took a couple games before he got going.
The Mandela effect.
Not as bad as six years into the future when the 'Hawks averaged less than 9 points a game.
For the whole season.
It's best to just think the Seahawks took half the 90s off and never contemplate those years again.
Oh that 92 season still hurts to think about! What a shame, because that 92 defense balled out! A few of those guys, Paul Moyer, and Dave Wyman are still around in the Seattle area doing local Seahawk radio. They’ve talked about how they could barely finish their Gatorade before they had to go back out on the field. Also getting their butts kicked in the meetings during the week after may be giving up 17 points… but then overhearing offensive lineman tell each other they did a good job and give each other a high grade rating🤦♂️
They led the leage in safeties that season though! Tez, Eugene Robinson, the defense was great....Stan Gelbaugh at QB though... not so much lol
Their defense should have sued the offense for non support.
To fans on some teams, the most popular player is the back-up quarterback. Then you put Him in and shortly after, find out why He was the back-up quarterback in the first place.
That's usually why for me if I know my starting quarterback is good, I never want the backup in there. As a Lions fan this happened a ton of times with Stafford where he'd have these bad stretches and Lions fans would want the backup but as soon as we got the backup in there we were like we rather Stafford be in there. LOL!
Especially, on terrible teams.
@@PredatorKingdom Too terrible to lead.
NFL statistical rules on spiking the ball: As far as the TEAM is concerned, it’s an incomplete pass and a loss of down.
As far as PASSING statistics are concerned, it does NOT count as an incomplete pass in terms of quarterback ratings.
Seems this messes up Gator’s favorite phrase.
Ah, Dave Krieg. One of the 2,543 quarterbacks my Cards used between Neil Lomax and Jake Plummer.
Please say Lomax got a win against the Cowboys at some point?
@@jasonharding9797 He did in 1984
Y mejor que ese Plummer bum
What about Timm (yes with 2 M’s) Rosenbach lol
@@Dealer35811 Rosenbach was Jake Plummer before there was a Jake Plummer. He had the tools and the moxie to be a decent QB but he blew out his knee and it took his heart.
Kreig never got the respect he deserved.
At least he wasn't Curt Warner, who was, literally, one letter away from, immortality, OTOH, I'm sure that his wife isn't insane.
Knox was a boar to watch & you know that any plays inside the Seahawk 30 yard line would be run, no passes. He used running backs until they couldn't run: Joe Cribbs in Buffalo; Lawrence McClutheon in LA (first time); Curt Warner in Seattle.
@Dave Fairburn Curt Warner, had, a, potentially, HOF, career, that, Chuck Knox completely destroyed.
@@matthewdaley746
Wrong, the torn ACL and other injuries derailed him. Go Hawks
@Eddison Foncette Afraid, not, a creative coach could have done something, alas, it truly wasn't him.
I am a HUGE Jim Zorn fan, to this day. As a kid, I remember Jim being benched and then going to Green Bay. I was twelve years old. I couldn't understand. Seeing him in a Green Bay uniform was weird.
After watching him throw a rouchdown on a fake FG to Herrara, I wrote him a letter.
Four months later, I received a letter back, with Seahawks letterhead and his signature. He also enclosed an autographed picture. I still have to this day.....Go Hawks!!!!
Krieg was very underrated. Threw a lot of TDs all things considered, went 98-70 as an NFL starter. My favorite Dave Krieg year was 1994, when the Lions signed Scott Mitchell to a big free agent contract and of course he blew it and Krieg came off the bench to play well and lead the Lions to the playoffs. And the year before he was replaced in KC by Joe Montana, but still filled in capably when Joe was banged up, including throwing one pass for a touchdown in the AFC wildcard win against the Steelers. Also, I believe the college Krieg went to (Milton) went defunct a year or two after he graduated.
He killed Milton College.
Dumb ass lions. Krieg as well as erik kramer the starter mitchell replaced were both better qb's then scott #kn mitchell. Once he threw those bone head picks that cost lions an early season loss to bengals in '99 season bobby ross plastered his ass to the bench for good. I thank dan marino for that one. Had he not blown out his achillies in '93 season mitchell never comes in and looks like an all pro qb for miami leading lions to massively overpay for for him.
@@stevenbauer4799 Terrible luck found throughout.
It's a shame that Krieg isn't in the Hall of Fame (Dave Wyman agrees). I was pissed when owner Ken Bering overhauled the team and ditched Knox and Krieg in favor of Flores and Rick Mirer. The only time I rooted against the Hawks was when Krieg played for the Chiefs, and he torched the Hawks defense.
I remembered Dave Krieg. He was consistently extreme , both good and not good, but mostly good and honestly gave everything he had on the football field. The O line had the issues of inconsistency in 1986 under the Ground Chuck Knox Era. But Coach Knox had to do what he had to do with Dave Krieg...
Their offense in 1992 was far worse. They scored only 140 points, the fewest points in one season in the 16 game era
Kreig was starting in KC that year.
I was born 12/28/81 I remember my dad getting mad when this happened
I never thought that, outside of Die Hard III, the word Krieg (which literally means "war" in German) was actually also a surname. I'm German, and I don't remember hearing about anyone else having the surname Krieg.
Speaking of which, DHWAV, has the, second-lowest, RT, rating, which is totally absurd, it, and, the original, are, the only ones, that, aren't, terrible.
Similar thing happened the last season the Browns played in Cleveland in the 1994 season. Eric Zeier brought in place of Vinnie Testaverde. Guy has one great game going for 300 plus yards. But the Browns stunk. I dont think Vinnie saw the field again
I wonder how many regular viewers of this channel -- like me -- began watching this video absolutely certain that we were going to hear the "passer-rating-of-x-which-is-lower-than-if-you-spiked-the-ball-on-every-down" routine, and were shocked that it was not used, thus depriving them of a drink.
Krieg is vastly underrated. Just like Zorn. It’d be nice if they’d bring back those old uniforms.
Kinda reminds me of the 2018 Jags who all of sudden just started getting blown out and the offense which didn't really do much before, wasn't doing anything period, then the collapse.
At the 2:56 mark it's mentioned Krieg made it to the pro bowl in 1984. The 21 yard TD passes to Largent was from October 23, 1983; a game in which they lost to the Steelers, 27-21, after being down 24-0 at the half.
Fun fact: Dave Kraig played in the NFL for approximately 376 years. He played for every team in the league and a few teams that weren’t in any league at all.
Also, sometimes Kraig would try to go incognito and play under a pseudonym. His fake name was Steve DeBerg.
You are so good at these. Thanks for entertaining my man
Dave krieg used to always say to me " you can't split the ball( football) into two, but you can split your offense down the middle!" Meaning , be careful what your doing out there on the field at any given time, don't be thinking about girls or chocolate cake. Take your time, think things through it's gonna be okay gonna take some time to get over it.
I was fully expecting this to be about Dan McGwire.
I completely forgot about Gilbert. But McGwire and Kelly Stauffer were almost as bad.
I wish the 'Hawks would go back to these colors and uniforms...maybe with the updated logo.
I used to change the lyrics to the Foreigner song 'Urgent' to "It's Largent. Steve Largent."...😂🤣😅😀👍
What I remember of Dave krieg in the 80s was him sitting on the bench taking a tome out not getting excited or offer support when the Hawks were winning or players doing well just there looking out at the field like he was just counting his time left. How about doing one with Matt hasslebach
🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼 At least we were a pretty good/decent teams back in the 80's ... I was 3 years old in 1986 so I vaguely remember the team but do recall imfamous stories/memories about the good ole 80's Seahawks Teams! Dave Kreig was the best QB we ever had and sad this cost us in 1986 but oh well. Just a shame the year I was born we got Destroyed by The eventual Super Bowl Winning Raiders. Great Video Love re-watching the history of my favorite team as I was born & raised here in Seattle!! #GoHawks
Dave Krieg best qb in Seahawks history. Played in a much tougher era than the finesse NFL of last 20 years.
Absolutely! There needs to be an asterisk next to the past 10 or 15 years worth of passing stats today’s QB’s put up. You could actually play defense in Kreig’s era. At one time, the games best QB’s hovered around 85-90 passer rating. Then crappy QB’s posted in the 60’s and below range. A Pro Bowl QB these days normally posts a rating above 95. And the crappy QB’s are in the 80’s or below. Just a rambling observation.
NYJ got the 1st Wild Card slot over Cincy, KC and SEA with the best conference record of those 4 teams (NYJ 8-4 to KC 9-5 to CIN 7-5 to SEA 7-5), then KC got the 2nd WC because of those same conference records.
I remember a game where he played Dallas and the Dallas defense couldn't stop Seattle's offense in the 1st half. They scored on every possession. They were up 24-0...somethimg like that..at the half. It was an ass whoopin.
I remember that year as a kid. If the Seahawks would have made it to the playoffs. They probably would have won the super bowl because they finish the season red hot and they beat the both of the teams that went to the super bowl that year, the Giants and the Broncos.
Thats probably why sell out Knox conspired to put in the purposefully bad player for long enough for the seahawks to not got to the playoffs.
Yes its sad but thats what the sell out owners and coaches do.
Krieg was sacked by Derrick Thomas 7x at Arrowhead Stadium 🏟 (1990)
Still threw the game winner though!
Yes! Finally a Seahawks video
November 4, 1979 - the Seahawks as a team (with Zorn at quarterback) gain -7 cumulative yards (not 7, but -7), and never get the ball past midfield, or even to their own 45-yard line!! They lose to the Rams, 24-0, with their defense remaining on the field for more than 40 minutes. Apparently, they never held the ball for longer than two minutes during the entire game. Zorn went 2-for-17 passing for 25 yards, both to Steve Largent. But being sacked at least seven times caused the Seahawks to have a passing yardage total of -30 for the game, although they did gain 23 yards rushing. It remains the only time since the merger where a team gained only one first down in the entire game.
As bad as the offense got that year, it got really bad in 1992 with Stouffer, Gellbaugh, and Mark McGwire's brother Dan who they drafted over Favre
haha dan 'the unsackable 6'8"qb' mcgwire. He went down the first time an nfl de hit him.
I saw Kelly Stouffer play at Colorado State (my dad had season tickets). I never ever will understand why he was drafted by the Cardinals in the first round, nor why he held out. He was adequate but hardly a 1st round talent. Colorado State is NOT a quarterback factory. Just ask anyone who watched Caleb Hanie.
@John Chedsey He scared the Packers more, than, Jay Cutler, who just quit, a, complete coward.
Ironic, considering Jim Zorn was benched in favor of Krieg.
Dave's biggest issue was his fumbling. He rarely threw picks but he had fumblitis
This really was a horrible move on the part of the Seahawks; the AFC was good that season (one 12-4 team, two 11-5 teams, four 10-6 teams) and that slump by the team cost them a playoff spot and possibly the division. Sure, Krieg hit a rough patch, but without him, the team REALLY slumped. Typical of Krieg, when he was good he played like an MVP, so the 'Hawks went on that 5-game run at the end. This was another team I learned about through a football digest (1987 Season preview; what an odd season it was) and highlights. To me, these Seahawks were spooky good (more balanced than the 10-6 Bengals, who also missed out on the playoffs by a nose).
Gale Gilbert though, he sure has a handful of those AFC Championship rings, and five consecutive! He sure could fashion a fine set of brass knuckles with that type of hardware.
The 1986 Seahawks is perhaps the most disappointing team of the entire history of their franchise. Curt Warner was finally back in almost full form and would be for another year with lots of strong complementary help coming from John L. Williams in the backfield - a very underappreciated fullback who was a super blocker, great pass-catcher out of the backfield, and bruising runner up the middle. How it was Krieg collapses in the early to mid part of this season with so much help behind him is very mysterious. I remember the first Denver game in Denver which began their downward spiral - a game the Seahawks should have never lost despite Krieg's poor performance. Warner ran right through the Bronco defense all day as they could not stop him. Yet Krieg barely missed on a number of throws that would have easily changed this game into the Seahawks favor. Knox apparently panicked here? Had they still kept Jim Zorn might have prevented the collapse of the Seahawks (Zorn later became an NFL coach for a time - perhaps the Seahawks should have tried to keep him in some other way and use him as a player-coach of sorts to keep him happy ...). Yet, together with the collapse of Krieg was also the total mid season collapse of the defense that year that is not talked about much. During this time the Seahawk defense was surrendering around 500 yards a game - which is awful. When they finally snapped out of it, their defense improved greatly, and they were then unstoppable on offense as all the pieces finally came together as it sholud have when you look at this team on paper. The 1986 Seahawks were the only team to defeat both Superbowl teams that year. They would have given the Giants a much better game in the Superbowl, but it still would have been difficult to get by the Broncos in Denver during the playoffs had they got into the playoffs. In those days, many excellent teams fell in Denver in Mile High Stadium. I am also of the opinion that any team with a 10-6 record should be allowed in the playoffs in some way. This would make for more interesting playoff scenarios making it more wild. Keep the wild card more free to accomodate such scenarios. Sadly, a number of teams over the years with 10-6 records, never made the playoffs. It would not be difficult to make such arrangements in the NFL. This would have been a lot better than making a 17 game season (I never liked the 16 game season - it is too hard on the players and denigrates the records of previous NFL players who provided its foundation), for example, as they have done recently. I would also say that no 8-8 team, even if they win their divsion, should be allowed a home game in the playoffs.
I could be wrong but wasn't there a play where Dave krieg had to run backwards like way far back like 20-30 yards to avoid a sack and it was like a third and 30 and then he ended up making the play and converting
Dave Krieg has MUCH better career stats, and was a MUCH better QB than fans give him credit for.
Krieg was good, and there's no telling where his career would have gone if Seattle hadn't benched him.
Wow another stat line of a QB (Zorn) with a negative yards on the day line. I remember when Kerry Collins did that for the Titans.
In 1979 the Seahawks were shutout by the Rams 24-0 in which Seattle got ONE (1) first down and NEGATIVE SEVEN (-7) total yards. Steve Largent was an offensive juggernaut that game with 25 receiving yards. Rams outgained Seattle 475 to (-7)
So naturally the next home game was the Katie-bar-the-door game against the Saints where they both converted an onside kick and a fake punt within minutes of each other
Krieg holds of did hold the record for the most fumbles by a QB because of his SMALL hands.
I have my Lime Green SEAHAWKS 7 WALSH jersey. I knew that it was a Jon Kitna and Geno Smith Jersey. I didn't realize that it was also a Dan Gilbert jersey!
Instead of benching the QB, maybe Knox shouldve benched the offensive coordinator.
52 sacks holy hell! It helps to have an offensive line lol.
Actually, the full 1986 Seahawks at Chiefs game does exist.
Letting Mudbone leave, after 1991, was a HUGE freaking mistake... drafting Dan McGwire over Brett Favre, was another terrible choice!
To be fair, the team that actually did draft him, also, didn't keep him.
@@matthewdaley746 well... Yes, but look at who was coaching the Falcons then...
Lol
I still can't believe that both Dan McGwire and Todd Marinovich (Marijuanavich) got drafted before Favre... Blew my mind back in 1991 (yes, I was that into football as a 9 going on 10 year old kiddo)
I was a huge fan of Dave Krieg, and he had such a great arm...
@@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520 Point taken, as, for, Weedman, he proved, (like, JaMarcus Russell), that no amount of talent, (real, or, imagined), can help, if, the player truly doesn't care.
@@matthewdaley746 fwiw, I really respect how Todd Marinovich was able to get his life sorted out to where his disease wasn't making all of his choices in his life. His ESPN Documentary is very interesting, too
@Insert Colorful Metaphor Yeah, that story truly had a way happier ending, than, anybody would have predicted.
To show you where, when and how I grew up: Born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. Japanese-American (showing HOW I grew up).
35 Years Ago
u guys need to do a Steve DeBerg episode
Say what you will Krieg didn't have a QB's hands or body but he really did have an arm and deadly accuracy.
I remember strongly disapproving of this move at the time. I was like 7 though, kids are idiots, especially when it comes to sports. You ever play basketball against a 7 year old? Trash. Not this time though, even 7yo idiotic me called it
No surviving footage of Seattle @ Kansas City 1986? Steve Largent and his tip drill touchdown reception would beg to differ...
Kreig has the record most career fumbles for a long time (not sure if he still does). What alotta people never knew: Dave Kreig was born w/ teeny tiny Trump hands. He’s lucky he ever played QB at all.
The identity of the Seahawks organization is so different now than it was in the 1970s, 80s and 90s. I don't like them now. I liked them a lot back then. They were a gritty, hardworking and no quit type of team back then. Now, they are a brash, arrogant and ugly uniform wearing. They need to go back to being that team of the past minus the losing.
They won't because that new attitude, gave, them, their, first, and, likely, only, SB.
2013 would like your comment back.
@@johnchedsey1306 "If," they, ever, win, again, sure, but, "if," not, well.
I lived NFL football back in that era. Kreig was a very good quarterback. The dude doesn’t get enough credit these days.
Well the backup also comes in when the starter torched the defense and the game is decided..
I always like Mud Bones. I met him once and such a nice guy.
I feel like calling those phone numbers.
Hey Jaguarman How about doing the story on Bo Jackson and why he didn’t go to Tampa Bay it wasn’t becuz they were bad...A lot people don’t know the Story of what the Bucs owner did to Bo..Let us know like Bo knows
Here you go: ua-cam.com/video/IlXINChxwWE/v-deo.html
Did something like that a while ago
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 thanks brother I missed it you the boss
If his game had continued to deteriorate and no change were made, who’s to say they win more games?
2:00 he should have just come out and spiked the ball. Would have had the exact same QB rating
Seattle needs to go back to those uniforms
This was the Jets' second straight win over the Seahawks after losing their first seven against Seattle.
They met many times in late '70's-'80's under sked where the last place team in the five team divisions in each conference met twice in a season.
And in 1988 came the great first round pick of Kelly Stouffer 😂 who should've stuck to frozen food
Dave Krieg was probably the best QB Barry Sanders ever got to play with. Unfortunately, the Lions stuck with Scott Mitchell after Krieg came in and had a career season after Mitchell went down for the 1994 season. Typical Lions
I suggest that the worst decision the Seahawks made, was with Kreig, but in 1992.
Seattle grew tired of the streaky turnover prone QB who had peaked and knew what they were getting from him. (Think a better version of Ryan Fitzpatrick)
They let him walk after the 1991 season and Kreig went off to Kansas City.
In 1992, Seattle went younger with Kelly Stouffer and Dan McGwire, both former first round picks. Both were not up to the challenge and quickly were injured for most of the season. They were left with the forgettable Stan Gelbaugh for a majority of 1992, and it was historically bad. They finished the year with 140 points scored, or less than nine points a game.
I bet new HC/GC Tom Flores held onto Kreig for at least one more year. Lol
Tom Flores, won, two, SBs, but, the time, with, the Seahawks almost kept him, out, of, the, HOF, just shameful.
I love you Jaguar but fact check!
Gale Gilbert only played for my Buffalo Bills on two super bowel losses, their 1st and 4th loss.
He was on the 1990, and 1993 Super Bowel Bills, but not the 1991, or 1992 Supper Bowl Bills thus did not lose 5 straight super bowls.
He only played in one game in 1990 and was only active for one game in 1993 but didn't record any statistics.
Kingdome was an '80's house of horrors for chiefs. Arrowhead for hawks. The home team swept all of the '80's match-ups. Do a video on that.
That would be a great video as I would like anything on the Expansion Era Hawks but that was quite the impressive stat as there were just no road wins for either team when they played each other. It would be their most memorable matchup in 1990 where the streak would end when the Seahawks won in Kansas City in November with that historic Derrick Thomas game.
@@PredatorKingdom Yep. The missed sure sack game. Kind of a funny game to end the road team misery streak. I liked the afc hawks, the blue/green/silver unis, the kingdome... Then they went nfc, ugly unis, neon green. yuck....
@@stevenbauer4799 Yeah, that was a very fitting end to that streak as it had to end that way. LOL! I love the AFC Hawks the colors were so great as I just loved those uniforms they reminded me of my Lions uniforms except with green in them. Blue and silver looked so good in a dome atmosphere as well. Kingdome was a pretty stadium but I loved it for the Hawks. The move outdoors just doesn't fit for me with Seattle as I hate the NFC version of them with the ugly busy uniforms and colors. I hope that one day in the future when their current stadium is old enough that they'd consider making another dome or retractable roof stadium and put those expansion era unis back on.
@@PredatorKingdom Yep I agree. Lions had the silver rush defense there. Both lions and hawks had true home field advantages playing in their domes. Both were sooo loud a true advantage for both. And when the silverdome was a full house lions were tuff as s#it there. Then millen came, ford field sucks, and 0 playoff wins since. Ford field may be an indoor stadium, but no advantage there like in the silverdome. And i saw pistons games there from true nose bleed seats as well. The court was like a small spot looked down at from a steep incline. And with teams going all retro uni these days hawks could go retro to the kingdome era unis for a game. Maybe that will bring a taste for the old unis back. #k nike for coming up with that garbage seahawk ugly cr-ap they wear now.
And i almost forgot thomas set the sack record for one game with seven that game. He just missed on an eighth sack which was costly for kc.
Dave Krieg needs some more attention on his name.
Dave Kreig fumbled a lot.
Dont matter guy was good.
I never understood why Seattle acquired Gilbert in the first place. He was a mediocrity at Cal.
Ken O'Brien gets a lot of hate,but he wasn't that bad of a QB. He had a great arm,but got hurt a lot because he wasn't mobile. Like I said before in a previous comment,I would've liked to have seen Jets/Broncos 86 Championship game which would've happened had Gastineau not done his stupid dance
Dave Krieg reboot time.
Not to undermine your video here but if Chuck Knox didn’t bench Dave Krieg when he did, Dave Krieg may have not improved at the end of the season the way he did thus possibly look for his replacement, so technically this couldn’t have been the worst benching (at least not when it comes to Dave Krieg at least.)
Oh wait! They tried to replace (or find a replacement for Krieg.) Three Times!
Remember a quarterback they traded for from then St. Louis Cardinals in 1988 named Kelly Stouffer (1987: R 1; P 6.) The Seahawks tried to draft a QB in 1991 named Dan McGuire (R 1; P 16,) and then again in 1993 for Rick Mirer (R 1; P 2.)
Gilbert's footwork is really bad here.
He should have let Krieg play through it !
Who was Chuck Knox Offensive Coordinator with the team in that span of time he should have been fired for that inept offense whoo.
Steve Moore, hardly the offensive counterpart of the great T-Cat (Tom Catlin)