The WORST 2-Point Conversions in NFL HISTORY | Giants @ Seahawks (1995)
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2021
- In a 1995 game between the New York Giants and the Seattle Seahawks, Giants head coach Dan Reeves, who was a vocal critic against the 2-point conversion when it was put into place in 1994, decided to go for two on three separate occasions. Not only did the Giants fail all three times, but the Giants lost the game by two points, all but ending their 1995 NFL season. This is the story behind that game.
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Members of the 1995 Giants:
Mike Horan
Brad Daluiso
Tommy Maddox
Dave Brown
Keith Elias
Willie Beamon
Phillippi Sparks
Thomas Randolph
Maurice Douglass
Venice Glenn
Rodney Hampton
Tyrone Wheatley
Tito Wooten
Charles Way
Jason Sehorn
Tim Watson
Herschel Walker
Jesse Campbell
Rodney Young
Mike Croel
Ben Tailey
Marcus Buckley
Corey Miller
Brian Williams
Lance Smith
Adam Schreiber
Derek Allen
Stacey Dillard
Doug Riesenberg
Rob Zatechka
Scott Gragg
Keith Hamilton
Jumbo Elliott
Chad Bratzke
Greg Bishop
Chris Calloway
Thomas Lewis
Omar Douglas
Aaron Pierce
Brian Kozlowski
Arthur Marshall
Howard Cross
Mike Sherrard
Gary Harrell
Corey Widmer
Coleman Rudolph
Michael Strahan
Ray Agnew
Michael Brooks
Jamal Duff
Robert Harris
Jessie Armstead
Dan Reeves (head coach)
Members of the 1995 Seahawks:
Todd Peterson
Rick Mirer
Rick Tuten
John Friesz
Jay Bellamy
Rafael Robinson
Selwyn Jones
Robert Blackmon
Carlton Gray
Tony Covington
Tony Brown
Corey Harris
Steve Broussard
Steve Smith
Lamar Smith
Mack Strong
Eugene Robinson
Chris Warren
Tracy Johnson
Duane Bickett
Kevin Mawae
Jim Sweeney
Mike Barber
Winston Moss
James Logan
Jason Kyle
Tyronne Stowe
Jeff Blackshear
Michael Sinclair
Joe Nash
Ray Roberts
James Atkins
Howard Ballard
Matt Joyce
Mike Keim
Ronnie Harris
James McKnight
Trey Junkin
Joey Galloway
Christian Fauria
Robb Thomas
Carlester Crumpler
Ricky Proehl
Brian Blades
Terry Wooden
Henry McMillian
Brent Williams
Antonio Edwards
Dean Wells
Cortez Kennedy
Sam Adams
Michael McCrary
Dennis Erickson (head coach) - Спорт
Nowadays a two point conversion has 3 results. 2 points for the offense, 0, or 2 for the defense.
Technically there's a fourth outcome now - 1 point to the defense. If the team trying to convert somehow gets tackled in its own end zone 98 yards away it's counted as a 1-point safety. The odds of it happening are infinitesimal but it is technically possible and in the rule book.
@@bobsnow6242 indeed, forgot to account for that, perhaps one day we can get a 6 - 1 game.
@@DarkDesperado25 Scorigami Gang
Another strange note from this game - Dave Brown never threw for 300 yards in a game- the 299 he threw for in this one was the closest he ever got 😂
Dave Brown… that’s a name my friend…….
That is a name
Urinating Tree
Dave Brown aka the original Daniel Jones
@@evanschmitt2830 Daniel Jones may have a generic -sounding name, but his game has at least a little sizzle & productivity (seriously, it was a big deal when Dave Brown threw for 200 yards; the 300 stat doesn't surprise me). Dave Brown was one of the most BORING quarterbacks I've ever seen; Danny Kanell offered a spark and excitement that Brown never provided (nice size by Brown, decent arm; maybe he out thought the game, wasn't instinctive enough, played robotically).
I remember this one so well back in '95. You explained it perfectly--Great video
You mentioned two things in this video about which this unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made videos:
1. How the NFL thought about changing field goal scoring for the 1994 season.
2. How Dan Reeves engineered a Giants turnaround in 1994 from 3-7 to missing the playoffs due to a tiebreaker by dusting off and expanding an old idea from his days coaching John Elway in Denver.
When 2 point conversions are outlawed, only outlaws will have 2 point conversions.
You can have my 2 point conversion when you pry my cold dead fingers from around it.
I miss those Seahawk jerseys
In '94 Shula's Dolphins actually set a record for most 2 point conversion attempts in a season that lasted for over 20 years until the '15 Steelers broke it. So yeah, he was on board.
Missed two-point conversions will ALWAYS come back and bite You in the end.
I don't care what the situation is, I would never ever EVER go for 2 in the first half. Period.
NFC champ game. Packers went and it failed, changed the way the end was played
That's not true
Then don’t miss them.
Dan Reeves be like "I hate the two-point conversion"
My brother in Christ, you made the playcall.
26 Years Ago
When life was so much better and you didn't have t worry about "dishonoring" someone's posts by giving an opinion.
Oh mate, Jim Zorn's time as the head coaxh for Washington had some of the most boneheaded special teams calls of all time.
Like that fake fg vs the Giants on Monday night ?
"Swinging Gate" will forever go down as the WORST fake FG attempt(s) ever. Just amazing that you would try the same formation and same play twice, after the opponent took a timeout in between attempts.
Reeves clearly didn't know that chasing points in the first half isn't a good idea. His coaching cost the Giants that game.
Two years later, in the draft, the Giants let Walter Jones slip through their hands, before the Seahawks got him. That seems like a microcosm of this game. Official Jaguar Gator 9 made a video about the way Seattle got Jones.
Damn...I like to think the Giants could have gotten him that ring in SB 42, guess Strahan wouldn't have been the only HOFer to have that kind of fulfillment. Plus he would have been better than Petitgout and his false start penalties. I mean the guy's a good blocker when healthy but those penalties and injuries...
OTOH, the Giants have had far, better, luck, in, the, SB, against the Patriots, than, the Seahawks, there's no question.
@iamhungey12345 They, beat, the Patriots, and, they would, again, in, SB 46, there's no way that I'm complaining about those results.
@@matthewdaley746 Still it doesn't mean they couldn't be a bit better. They can still have these with Walter Jones, at least for SB 42 anyway.
@iamhungey12345 Yeah, it would have been great to see, Carson Wentz, beat, the Patriots, but, "settling," for, Nick Foles, was, OK.
2016 Steelers vs. Cowboys. Steelers scored 4 TDs. They went for 2 on all of them, twice in the first quarter. They failed on all of them.
2016 Steelers-Cowboys was worse imo. The steelers went 0 for 5 and lost by 5
The two point conversation makes sense when you're behind and you're running out of time. It's usually smart to go for one unless you have to. I can see going for two late in the game to make it a three or four point game. It has its place but there is no real good reason when there's a whole half left to play
There was a game few years back, Steelers vs Cowboys. Tomlinson called 5 attempts and failed on all of them.
Haha, I watched this game with my dad in upstate NY. He’s a Giants fan and I who was 11 at the time was CRAZY about the Seahawks. I was so happy SEA won that game. It was comforting when me and my dad had these healthy rivalries. It just sucks we couldn’t beat KC or our other teams enough to get in the playoffs 😢
Maybe the worst attempt was in 2006, when the Skins played the Cowboys and with Washington leading 5-0 in the first quarter, the Cowboys scored a TD and for some very, very odd reason, Parcells decides to go for two, to make it 8-5. They miss and end up chasing that point the rest of the game, as is usually the case. Also, that failure led to maybe the most bizarre ending of a game in that historical rivalry. Which says a lot, considering how many weird finishes those two teams have had against each other.
That game alone would be worth 2-3 videos here.
I can only imagine him wanting to further take away the 2 point conversation after this lmao.
The 95 Seahawks, despite the 2-6 start, actually almost made the playoffs. This jump started a big time stretch run for Seattle
Oh bullshit.
Who would have thought out of all the teams to lose to would be the Jets. Who, at the time, were in a 3 game losing skid and would not win a game thereafter.
Well....A 2 point conversion is BETTER than SPIKING the BALL into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!! But Dan Reeves' Giants would have been BETTER off doing JUST THAT.
Dan Reeves didn't have to worry about the 2 point conversion on offense, all he had to do was play his game, but he decided to make a mockery of the rule and it shit in his face. From a Broncos fan who watched too many draws up the middle on third and six or more with Elway at the helm.
Now the pendulum has swung the opposite direction and now defense has become almost irrelevant.
In Madden '22 this is even more the case than real life.
Also, the Dolphins scored more points last season than they had since '86...and finished 15th. 400 points scored today is literally average.
As well as run centric offenses.
Speaking of Shula going for 2 in '94, there was one ridiculous attempt that season when, trailing the Vikings 28-6 in the first half, he elected to have Terry Kirby run it in rather than an extra point. Not only did it fail, but Kirby was injured for the season on the play and it left the Dolphins having to go for two again later. They did manage to tie the game at 28 (after trailing 28-0) but they just as easily could've done it by kicking four extra points.
How many of you forgot Herschel Walker played for the Giants?
I confess.
This is sort of the mirror image of the Patriots/Denver Playoff game where the Patroits kept going for it on forth down while in field-goal range. And then lost on a missed 2-pointer. In the case of Reeves, he just needed to stop "chasing his losses", while the Patriots were more like the guy waving off helicopters and boats from his roof because "god will save me". Then getting to heaven and hearing god tell him "I sent a helicopter, and a boat". I would love to get these guys into a nice long poker game..
If you mean, back in 2015, Rob Gronkowski blatantly pushed off, so, they didn't deserve to, win, the Game, anyway.
@@matthewdaley746 In the words of Clint Eastwood. "Deserving's got nothing to do with it". It was just Belichick out-smarting himself.
@@drewdederer8965 Correct, but, the Patriots, "deserved," to, win, SB 52, even, less, truly horrifying, how, close they came to doing it, good thing Tom Brady decided, not, to take the sack.
@@matthewdaley746 Not ot mention they won a SB because the opposing coach decided not to run from the one, won another after their opponent blew a 28-3 lead, and were gift-wrapped the winning FG in another after the Panthers came back to tie from 11 down in the 4th, only for the kickoff to absurdly be out of bounds.
@@DolFan316 Yeah, the Eagles played, The, Game, Of, Their, Lives, and, yet, still, only, won, because, the Patriots made zero defensive plays, to their one.
The Giants should have converted 2 of the 3 2-point attempts. The first one, Hampton tripped over his own feet without being touched by a defender. Had he kept his feet when he took the handoff, he likely is able to score. The second one, marshall ran a bad route that was too short but the defender was playing off him so he still could have scored if he caught it and managed to lean back into the end zone anyway. The third one didn't have a chance though.
QB's on that squad included Brown and White? Don't know if this was during his playing days, but it would have been great if they'd signed Trent Green....
Dan Reeves always looked like he just came from church.
2:31 I honestly don't hate the different point values for field goals rule, but as long as it's just a fourth point for 60+ yard kicks, similar to the three-point line in basketball.
Here's the sad part. Every one of those 2 point tries would've been cheered on by the modern day analytics crowd, and Reeves would've been bashed and trashed by them if he *hadn't* tried any of the three.
not in the 2nd quarter. IIRC, the analytics suggest to start going for 2, depending upon the score, sometime in the 3rd quarter.
I swear he made those 2 point misses on purpose to detail how assinine this was
Seems like it
Curious what network had the doubleheader.
I’m thinking it was NBC since they had PIT at CHI in the late window (Steelers won in OT) and the Fox games at that time were this game, CAR at SF (the game where the Panthers upset the Super Bowl champion 49ers and everyone said that they were going to get killed in Dallas the following Sunday…), and AZ at DEN
That, was, hardly an upset, the 49ers couldn't, beat, the Cowboys, before, 1994, and, they couldn't, beat, the Packers, after, obviously, they, were, an entertaining trainwreck, but, they, finally, went off the tracks, simple as that.
@@matthewdaley746 Carolina was an expansion team in 1995. That’s why it was surprising
The 49ers had Elvis Grbac as their starter for some time in 1995 due to Young being out with an injury
SF had lost 3 of 4 before going to DAL: at IND (started a 3 year stretch of the Colts beating the defending champion), NO (11-7… weird score), & CAR. Their only win was going to St Louis & beating the same, sorry ass Rams (Ken Norton Jr did some bag work on the end zone post cover)
Dallas had the best record in the conference, their only loss was to WSH who would end up sweeping them
So it looked like the Cowboys would get revenge for the NFC Championship
Nope
Jerry Rice slant on the 49ers 1st offensive drive followed by turnovers put Dallas in a deep hole as the 49ers punched the Cowboys in the mouth 38-20
SF ended up in position for the NFC 1 until a Week 17 loss in ATL plus DAL winning at AZ put them at 2 and the Packers ending their season in the NFC Divisional
@@mjwatts1983 The 49ers fell off of a cliff, after, 1994, and, the Packers did the Cowboys a favor, ironically, the Panthers, Would, Hammer, The, Final, Nail, In, The, Cowboys', Coffin, one season, later.
@@matthewdaley746 The cause of the Cowboys collapse in the 1990s was the Cowboys themselves
Jerry & Jimmy splitting up (big one)
Terrible drafts
Going all in on free agents leading to a cap crunch
The off field antics… and there were a lot of them
@@mjwatts1983 Yeah, they truly did themselves no favors, but, in the normal course of events, they, wouldn't, have, won, their, third, SB, anyway, odd, how, a team can, actually, still, win, after, their days of dominance, end.
The 2 point conversion allowed us to have the greatness of what was 28-3.
Even better, than, that, it sparked the fatal case of, arrogance/hubris, that, was, 33-32.
A couple days ago, I saw a CA license plate that simply read:
28 - 3
I thought that was pretty cool.
@James Age I lived in South Boston, where, t-shirts, showed an Eagle being gutted, on Monday, they couldn't give them away, it, was, sweet.
@@matthewdaley746 You win the award for wedging in the Eagles Superbowl victory over the Patriots every chance you possibly get, and even those you don't! 🥇👑🏆🦅
@James Age What can I say, the fact that they imploded three years, later, just makes it, better.
It's almost like Dan Reeves was sabotaging the 2-point conversion for himself or being a football sadist; that's like someone complaining about something or another, then going ahead anyway and devoting their life's work to it. In the end though, the 1995 Giants weren't very sturdy (5-0 against losing teams, 0-11 against winners), so in the grand scheme of things this loss meant little. Still, very odd!
as hard headed as Dan Reeves could be he might have done it just to prove it's bad
In that case, he may have truly been, more, successful, than, he could have, possibly, imagined.
I remember Dan Reeves from when I was a kid, and he always reminded me of the ultra conservative metal work teacher at your school. I wouldn't put it past him to make a petty example of his point.
Bot the Giants and Seahawks were 3-6 after this game, but their seasons went in opposite directions. The Seahawks finished 3 games better than the Giants and actually would've made the playoffs had they won their finale and the Chargers lost. Instead, the Chargers beat the Giants in a rather infamous game that OBJ9 should do a video about.
The early '90s really was a bad time for offense. The '90 Pats set the record for fewest points in a 16-game season which was broken by the '91 Colts and broken again by the '92 Seahawks. SI did a cover story wondering why scoring was so low. From '90-92 there were just two teams that scored 400-plus points each season, and only the 49ers could manage it in '93. Even in '94 only the 49ers and Cowboys did it. Then 6 teams did in '95 and last season a whopping 15 teams did. Last season my Dolphins scored more points than they had since '86...and finished 15th.
The revised illegal contact rule enforced in 94 paved the way.
Will there be Cam Newton from starter to cut 2021 video?
Seattle was still alive for the playoffs heading into week 17
Ahh Marshall was wide open on that 2 point just a bad qb but the play call worked
Can you do a video about the time when Harry Carson planned to retire in 1980 to join the air force?
I mean, Reeves had a point. The 2-point conversion really hasn't improved anything. Scoring would've gone up anyway, and kickers are even more accurate now. All the 2-point conversion's really done is cause coaches to overthink things and give analytics sites yet another reason to act insufferably arrogant and say they know all the answers.
The two point conversion is good
The two-point conversion allows a team down 8 to have a chance. That’s a good, significant thing.
Yeah, and how many points did their kicker blow that game?
The two-point conversion helped destroy the Falcons' Super Bowl dream. If the Patriots had missed either one of them, they probably would have pulled it out.
Perhaps, but, the Falcons, Played, Not, To, Lose, the Eagles, rightly, Played, To, Win, the results have spoken, for, themselves.
@@matthewdaley746 Point taken.
@@nicoleknight9412 Very exactly prodigiously grateful.
Matthew Daley - The Falcons barely ran the ball in the second half. That is not “playing to not lose.” That’s just a bullshit, revisionist platitude used when a team loses after winning during the closing moments of the game.
@@ryanfranks1518 Falcons Fan, I, Presume, no matter, the actual circumstances, my points still stand on the Eagles, oh, and, this is a family site, watch your language.
This game is why announcers question 2 point strategy and "chasing points too early". Most don't attempt a 2 pointer prior to at least 20 minutes to go (5:00 in the 3rd) for this reason. Giants almost had to go for 2 the last two times because of the first.
All said, the 2 point conversion made some games at least a bit more exciting in the end. There are way too many ways to get an 8 point game late and two possessions seemed almost impossible.. wishing the NFL would adopt the college/AFL/CFL rule
Dan Reeves is easily one of the best head coaches in NFL history to never win a Super Bowl.
The teams that he faced, in, the, SB, were, just, better, there's no question.
Dan Reeves and Jeff Fisher share an NFL record: Most losses by a coach, 165. IMHO, Chuck Knox and Marty Schottenheimer were better coaches than Reeves and Fisher.
@tygrkhat40 Norv Turner proved that luck, beats, skill, any day of the week, but, it always runs out, on two occasions.
Gee the Giants used a 1st rounder on Dave Brown?
Still, they, more, than, made, up, for, that, in, 2004, really, great.
Super Bowl 37 (XXXVII) ended 48-21, so what I am about to say didn't really matter, but...
The Raiders would go for and fail three two point conversions in a row. They would find themselves down 34-21 instead of 34-24.
There is a HUGE difference between being down 10 there and being down 13. Down 10, you can settle for a FG next time you are out there and cut it to a one score game. You can score and only be down 3 with the ability to tie or take the lead next time you have the ball. However, being down 13 means you are facing desperate 4 down territory needing two TDs or three possessions if forced to settle for a FG with time running out. This desperation COMBINED with the coaching advantage Tampa had over the Raiders is why the game spiralled out of control again for them.
Had the Raiders just kicked the extra points, Tampa Bay would still probably have intercepted Rich Gannon and won 48-24 instead of 48-21. However, only down 10, one has to wonder what kind of approach and play calling and execution we would have seen?
This is why I see these are the true WORST 2 point attempts of all time.
@Jesse Krill Incorporated - Thanks. I have updated it.
its funny has mad at the 2point play and not his players. his running back fell down before he got to the line but its the play thats at fault. his qb threw a bad pass but its the 2 point play thats the problem and on the third his qb only looked at one spot and threw it there but once again its the fault of the two point play. lol people dont like to take blame and blame something that cant fight back.
Now do Mike Tomlin
U forgot that there r 3 ways, the defense can score too.
@Matt Joseph I mean yes but i stated since he opens it up saying that, he isnt talking 1995 specifically until a few minutes in.
If it works for you...
And this was the same Dan Reeves who held a grudge against the Denver Broncos, John Elway, and Mike Shanahan and never let it go even during the 1998 Super Bowl and that mindset along with some off the field distractions like the Airplane Seating controversy and Eugene Robinson soliciting a female cop cost him and the Atlanta Falcons a Super Bowl. At least they weren’t up 28-3 in the game (Sorry Falcon fans I’m a troll because the team I grew up with was the New Orleans Saints. Send as much hate to me as you want I can take it).
At least, Karma, would hit the Patriots hard when they got a, 33-32, lead, in, the, SB, the following year.
@Matthew Daley Yeah that’s true. Funny how things work in the NFL.
@Tdull1993 When Rob Gronkowski spiked, and, tauntingly danced, in the defender's face, the Patriots forfeited the right to, win, that Game, which just made their, ultimate, fate all the, more, satisfying.
I've never heard of this airplane seating thing I've seen mentioned in a couple of comments. Looking it up now.
@DolFan316 It, was, a huge controversy, that suddenly got unseated by an even bigger controversy.
I had the strange idea that a team could spend 2 of its timeouts in exchange for an extra two point conversion try . My idea that it could only be done after a field goal or a TD. So a field goal then a two point conversion attempt or a TD, a 2 point conversion attempt and an extra 2 point conversion attempt. So a team could theoretically score 10 points on a possession or 5 after a FG. That’s an exciting idea.
Nobody likes Dan reeves or pineapple pizza!
Pineapple belongs on pizza with ham
@@matthewdaley746 Starting with the controversial plane ride to the big game, mentioned in another OJG9 video.
@@mrmoose6619 You mean SPAM.
@@CTback Say no to Spam! The Spamalope is a highly endangered animal!
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I'm guessing you're not old enough to have watched the NFL during the first few years of the 2 point conversion. It didn't matter at what point the game was at, every team went for 2 as if it were the 4th quarter now. If it was 14-3 in the 1st quarter they went for 2 to try to make it a 3 point game.
rick rootin' tuten. ricky proehl shampoo. john french friesz. Strahan, armstead, cortez, blades, Erickson (coach). Lotsa of U talent in this game. And i believe that is original seahawk dave brown now on the g men. Former g men s b champ howard ballard now on seahawks. As well as near the end herschel walker also on the g men. Strahan would later win two s b's with g men. Proehl won a s b with rams greatest show on turf team. eugene robinson made a name for himself as a falcon before a s b with reeves as his coach. And tommy maddox is his qb on g men here. reeves really liked maddox as a qb.
Dave Brown the QB didn't play for the Hawks, the CB Dave Brown who was originally drafted by the Steelers and taken in the expansion draft and was a founding member (along with #45) of the original LOB, yeah that was him.
Sadly he died a few days short of both his 53rd birthday and what was to be him raising the flag before the Hawks' first home playoff game since Dec 84.
@@mgb4692 I was referring to dave brown the cb, not dave brown the qb who i never heard of. also old man willie brown, jim brown, and paul brown. all rip.
"And i believe that is original seahawk dave brown now on the g men"
Not quite................