Girsan has nothing to do with that red dot, it's EAA that sticks that on certain models as a way to charge $200 extra. EAA also likes to keep one of the two magazines that Girsan ships with and only give customers one instead. Most of the time EAA doesn't even announce or promote whenever they have a new model coming out. Girsan deserves better. Hopefully there's a more competent importer who wants to partner with them in the near future.
I have chatted with an owner who said EAA customer service was terrible. Inhave the Girsan Match version which I habe yet to fire but the fiber optic coming loose is apparently common. He never spoke to how the gun shoots. How does one review a forearm and not mention that?😊
I've learned from experience that EAA is a pretty trash importer. They get their hands on great guns, sell them and offer little support/parts. They'll probably stop importing this one in a year.
The lack of feed back on trigger reset is only a bad thing for those that are still practicing the reset drill BS. No one shoots to reset in combat or a defensive shooting. It’s a horrible habit for an experienced shooter. In my opinion it was only taught so that a large group of shooting students could be more easily controlled. You are tricking the students into focusing on the trigger reset to either prevent a flinch or to slow them down and prevent a ND But here again no one is shooting to reset in a life and death situation, so why train that way. Use you support had as it should be and slap that fucking trigger I promise you if your support hand is doing it’s job you will not have any issues.
I replaced the original fiber-optic rod with a green one. It is a .060" that you need. Yes, the trigger is AWFUL out of the box BUT, if you run a couple of thousand rounds through it, you WILL (!!!) be AMAZED at how much better it gets!!! A Streamlight TLR-1 HL WILL fit the rail; you *must* use the S&W TSW/99 key. Give the gun a chance. 👍
I have the same exact gun. Have not yet fired. But, reviews and feedback from owners state the same. One reputable reviewer said the trigger got better after 200 or 300 rounds. He stated that he generally has not had that experience with most guns even when other swear it is so. Also suggested to heat the ends of the fiber optic so they don't fall out. I have a suggestion given to me regarding a trigger job. Owner said it was amazing. Curious if you feel the green is a better color for sighting?
I was at a gun store today and they had one on clearance for 533 and I bought it and honestly for 533 damn good 855 not so good. I purchased this one with without the red dot
I have the MC P35 Match, Non OPS, No rail. My fiber optic insert fell out at about 200 rounds. Not that difficult to replace. In fact, I carry spares just in case it happens again. I absolutely love mine! Shoots great, feels great in my hand, just a solid piece. Probably going to get the new shorter PI version when it's available.
Thanks for the review. I'm looking to buy the Girsan MPC35 PI LW Match which has the aluminum frame and not the OPS version as you have noted in your review that the rail is useless. Thanks again.
Have the TISAS and Girsan Hi-power clones. Both function well. My take on Turkish firearms-most pistols coming out of Turkey are very well made and are of incredible value, the Canik line is proof of this-but Turkish made rifles and shotguns have a lot to be desired.
I grabbed an Escort slugger 12 gauge pump for $200 because I figured why not and it’s been pretty solid with no issues. Though it is the only Turkish shotgun I’ve shot
Hates on Turkish shotguns not cycling 1250fps or slower 12ga loads.... Without having an example to point at that actually can. Saiga. Ar conversion uppers. Any semi-auto mag fed shotgun will have issues cycling low speed rounds, and tuned this can be mitigated. It's dummy hate for dummies and a couple smarties that want the price driven ever-lower on clearance guns in an effort to stock up. All mag auto shotties have this issue regardless of Russian or American or Turkish origin. It's a false notion.
I've had good luck with a Tri-Star side by side 12 gauge and with a VR80 12 gauge semi-auto although I did need to get a missing O ring for the VR80 and break it in w/100 -150 1400+ fps rounds.
I have the "basic" P35 from Girsan. other than changing the grips for reproduction German wood ones, mine is stock. I am quite happy with it. I think much like with Tisas, once you wander off into the "custom" realm it gets disappointing. I wanted a Hi Power for plinking, and since I am not interested enough to shell out $1200+ for a Browning- I was happy with the $500 I spent to get "the feel". Mine runs great and shoots as well as I can.
My first gun was the original Belgian hi power, no other gun has fit my hand better. I like to get a Girsan to use that more and keep the original in the safe.
The price of admission for Girsan's out-of-box custom features vs sourcing an OG Hi Power (or vanilla clone) and sending it in to get the same amount of custom features is what sold me on the MCP35 Match. I expected I'd still have to send it in for a trigger job and I likely will, but at least I won't have to shell out for the beaver tail, flared mag well, custom controls, and high undercut job. ...although I MAY consider swapping sights after seeing this video. Appreciate the coverage!
I have the non Optic MCP35 and love it. I would have loved to have gotten the Optic one but it wasn't out at the time. I paid less than $600.00 for the non Optic and find it well worth the money. It's a tack driver and so far has done well with no issues. The trigger is nice smooth with a clean break. People that have been in competition shooting sports know the fiber optic don't last long when used a lot so for me it's no big deal, I wouldn't like it if it fell off in less than a 100 rounds.
@@arlissyoung8899 I got the Commiefornia model, and it includes a set up thats optics ready, a Match barrel, and Novak style sights, though the rear sights are integral to the removable optic panel. It does not have the beaver tail or a bevelled magazine well, and it does have a loaded chamber indicator and a magazine disconnect which due to typical California nonsense, requires that I remove the entire trigger assembly to remove it, instead of just the pin on the trigger as in normal Hi Powers.
I have the exact same gun without the Red Dot. No issues at all and it functions as it should. You can save yourself the "Hot Mess" by losing the over priced red dot. Problem solved. Why do people continue to buy HP's or HP clones and continue to complain about the trigger. If you are a gun guru, you knew that going in. Just give it rest and shoot it.
I got rid of my SA-35. I couldn’t get that thing to run at all. Left a bad taste in my mouth for SA. I’d love to try some others. Having a HiPower or clone would be nice.
I got mine minus the red dot for $579 which I thought was a good deal. Honestly if I knew before I bought it that they made the version with the beavertail and no rail I would have gone that route instead.
Somewhat misleading in that the front fiber optic inserts commonly fall out and it takes about one minute to replace them. The replacement inserts are generally available in gun stores or sometimes extras come with the gun. I don’t own one of these but rather than discourage new (inexperienced) buyers by calling the sights a “hot mess”, just say how easy they are to replace
Oh my freaking Lord I've wanted a black on black Nighthawk Custom Hi-Power since forever. They really are freaking gorgeous. When Springfield and FN announced they were making Hi-Powers again, I remember wondering if Nighthawk was going to jump on that. I've always loved the lettering(that small, all uppercase lettering that is reminiscent of old Colt(and other I presume) 1911s) the Browning guns had as well. As cool as they are though, I just can't justify spending that much on a Hi Power, even if it is from Nighthawk.
I dont think hes a fan of High Powers. To some its just the legend of John Browning. This gun can be had for 700 range still pricey. IMHO. I think the optic is just a marketing ploy. Still might consider this in standard form. 500 range. Thanks for the review
I don't know why every gun tuber misrepresents the Hi Power safety by showing off something ancient and claiming that it's standard. The ambi safety on the Girsan, right down to the levers, is a copy of the ambi safety that came out on the Mk II in the early 80s. My Mk III's model name is literally the _Standard_ - ambi safety, deep blue, adjustable rear sights, walnut stocks, made in 1989. I'm the original owner, there's no confusion about how it was originally configured. The ambi safety was standard for basically 40 years until production ended. Kind of silly to claim that a new pistol copying what was already done for decades is somehow some big, wonderful improvement. 🤦🏻♂️
Tisas and Grisan do make some nice products. When I was younger, I really wanted a hi power, then I shot one finnally. Wasn't impressed. I didn't hate it just was disappointed. Then i shot a CZ 75b. Well that really impressed me. But i digress. I would own a hi power, But never carry one. Again still a fine gun just not for me. Would like to see Nighthawk's version but I'd rather spend that money on one their 1911's.
I own a Match - no rail and no red dot, and an adjustable rear sight. Pros: with premium ammo like Underwood precision is *very* good. I get 1" groups at 20 yards hand held. With common range ammo it's no better than my G19. Cons: the fiber fell out, just like it did for Tim. But it's a 5 minute repair that cost a penny. Also, since everybody loves an undercut on the trigger guard - a misguided idea at best - the gun has one, and it cuts into a knuckle on the middle finger. The trigger reset is a non-issue. In live fire you don't wait to hear or feel that click, there's way too much going on in the 0.18 of a second between pairs already. It matters that the reset isn't too long, but how tactile it is is irrelevant.
I would'nt have made a big deal about the FO piece falling out of the front sight. No biggie. About 15 cents to replace. Which anyone knows it always fall out.
The firearm in that configuration is really disappointing. Thank you for the honest review, while it is possible I might purchase the Girsan, certainly not that "enhanced" model.
I spent $600 for the non red dot version. The problem with the loss of fiber optic lies in the fiber optic itself. Mine worked its way out of the gun in shipping before I could even shoot it. I replaced it with the included fiber optic green and red and they all broke after a mag or 2. After replacing with a spare fiber optic that came with one of my Caniks its never come loose. And yea the trigger is doodoo.
I don't know, I must have the only unmodified BHP with an out of the box awesome trigger. It's a Belgian made MKII that I bought decades ago back at Navy Arms in NJ. In fact it was Val Forgett who took it out of the case and showed it to me. He was trying to push me that day toward a SIG 225 police trade in, but I was a young man who until then bought second hand and wanted to buy my first brand new pistol. Over 40 years later I still have that gun. Even with the magazine disconnect the trigger still breaks like a Canik or Walther PPQ. One day I will pass it on to my son.
No detent on the thumb safety? Sure there is. There's no separate plunger tube; the spring and plunger fit in a hole in the frame. The BH Spring Solutions replacement spring sharpens the safety action a bit.
I know this is off topic or what not but have you had a chance to try the Norma tactical 762 by 39 ammo I found it to be quite nice actually and it's brass cased ammo so it's reloadable just wasn't sure cuz I see you've been seeing you use a lot of Norma ammo lately was curious what your thoughts were about it
850 WHOW I GOT MY MC35 OPS FOR 550 OUT THE DOOR BUT MY GUN SHOP OWNER HAS KNOW ME FOR DECADES ... MY OPS HAD BEEN ROAD HARD PUT AWAY WET AND STILL SHOOTS FINE GREAT IN FACT ....
Great review. I'm surprised your magazine pops out so well though. The ones I've looked at don't eject more than an inch and the mag has to be pulled out. That being said, I do respect Girsan to a high degree in this low-budget clone market. I have the Beretta Girsan (Girsan Regard) and it works great. Never jammed, no issues whatsoever. I'd rate this company well above Taurus. As for their shortcomings, I'd blame Erdoğan, lol.
If you have problems finding a new fibre element , Red monofilament large diameter .6 .65 .7mm .8mm depending on the diameter required are all available from local tackle shops and work pretty well, just warm the end into a blob with a soldering iron and push the unburned end through the slot then cut of the excess and heat that down to a size that holds it securely in the sight . It worked fine on My air rifle so it should work ok on powder burners too .
I lost my front, fiber optic insert on my first range trip too. EAA were absolute jerks bout sending me a replacement. I believe Honest Outlaw had the same problem with his front insert as well. Maybe they should spend a second checking on that before shipping them out.
In my experience EAA are absolute jerks about everything. You caused the front sight fiber optic to fall out by actually shooting your gun, and you expect them to fix it? The nerve of some people…. Remember when everyone needed a Witness 10mm but some models cracked the slide and frame on a regular basis with standard pressure rounds? EAA were total dickheads about it. Luckily Tanfoglio was awesome about getting those back into service. On a serious note, did the fiber optic tube have any indication it would be fragile before you shot it? Was the “balled up”portion melted at the front or the rear was too small for the opening in the sight? Was the replacement fiber optic filament a good fit to the sight? Some filaments are very brittle and if its undersized the shock of firing tends to break them. I’ve replaced enough FO filament that I had a whole box with nothing but different colors and sizes. The filament sold by Dawson Precision isn’t the cheapest but it is flexible. Bullseye out of New Hampshire is pretty good too and supposedly US made. Using a tapered Diamond needle file to minutely break the sharp edge of fiber optic tunnel in the sight can help too, since the sharp edges can act as stress risers break the filament.
The Girsan Regard (Beretta 92 clone) is pretty awesome. Paid $325 new (They have gone up since then) Better I think than the 92 I used to own. I would not pay $800 for that one.
it depends were you are in my area they have not gone up much the girsans are a better deal saw the 92 version of the beretta preformance model 526 wow beat paying 1500 or more for a beretta PS I own 2
I have been looking for one for years especially a military GP 35. I found one during the Panama Invasion and got confiscated by the MPs of 18th Airborne Corps. Those Rat Bastards!!! I still hate the MPs till this day!!! I am saving up to get the Springfield Armory SA 35. One day I will have my dream come true along with a British canvas holster and and canvas double mag pouch like how I discovered it at a Panama Defense Forces desk with a stack of porno magazines and a bottle of rum in a desk drawer.
Had the Girsan standard Hi-Power clone. It was terrible! Just got an older Browning Hi-Power that I happened to find at my LGS for under a grand. Waiting for a Springfield SA-35, but would be willing to give the tac ops a try.
I have the adjustable rear sight version my front fiber rod was loose as was the rear sight. I fixed them and I love the gun. I also don’t have the light Mount. It’s a gun I’m happy with for $675.00 out the door
I have a Browning HiPower 40 converted to 357 Sig. It is setup for cocked and lock carry with positive detent ambi safety with Novak sights. I've decided I will get the beavertail mod. Even with the C&S no bite hammer, the hilt of the grip chafes the web of my hand slightly. It's a good platform with the right mods.
You have a very desirable gun. The .40 S&W has a heavier slide and stronger frame than the 9 mm. Novak used to use the .40 as a basis for their beautiful custom Hi Powers. The beaver tail was an option. Too bad they no longer customize guns. Love my Novak Para Ordnance P-13 Custom! Cylinder and Slide will put a beaver tail on for you. Plus lots of other cool mods and parts. I put their larger thumb safeties plus sears and trigger on also Cheers
I just want Springfield to make one with a beavertail that doesn’t look like hot garbage. Something along the lines of Jim Garthwaite, Robar, or Wilson Combat (yes, they used to customize Hi Powers!) beavertail, as opposed to some weird nearly straight spike sticking out behind the frame. Even the nighthawk one is a little wonky. I’ll gladly let them scan my Ted Yost Heirloom Precision Hi Power to get an idea of what a proportionally flattering beavertail looks like. Or the hi ride thumb safety that was custom made to approximately the feel and positive detent by llike a 1911.
Honestly am interested in getting one of these and leave a real one alone stock. That way I can modify the heck out of one without feeling guilty about changing an original design. :D I wonder if this can be sold without the red dot, yet keep the mounting option there for less $$$? Also am curious about possibly swapping those sights out for some from a known reliable big brand. I wonder what could be done about that rail or what lights would actually work on it besides the one you have shown here. 🤔I would probably also upgrade the trigger. I appreciate the review!
I still like 1911s best. Not sure I would carry one. I like everything about them except for the extractor. Under stress I think I would break it. Hi Powers are pretty sexy too.
I've had a few of these already. I've found the safety detent to be WAY more positively detented than the traditional Hi-Power safety. The Girsan Detective and standard, non-beavertail, versions have standard triggers with the magazine disconnect safety. They suck, like most Hi-Powers. The OPS and Match are MUCH BETTER on every one I've had. I like the frontstrap flare but if you have large hands you might not. I have quite a few Hi-Powers personally and my Girsan Match is my favorite. (Adjustable rear sight, not with a DOT). I have three of the aluminum Austrian Border Police FN pistols, one with an FM Argentine Detective slide which I have carried quite a bit. (Customized) I WISH there was an aluminum frame with beavertail!!!!!!!!! None of the Girsans I have sold has had the front fiber optic fall out BUT you can get replacement F.O. "sticks" at Brownells. HOWEVER, why does the DOT version even have a front sight, there's NO rear sight?!?!?!?! MY BIGGEST complaint is that there is too much gap between the top of the grip and the bottom of the safety. The trigger reset on HPs DOES suck BUT the pull on the MATCH and OPS is NOT that bad, easily cleaned up by a competent gunsmith as well.
I have a Springfield SA35 at Mk3 to have many of the features that this Pistol comes with. Thus I bought one to keep me busy while the SA is off being modified. I shot it and its all fine from the box. I checked my front fiber and it was a tad loose so a small dab of super glue solved that. I polished the trigger a bit and that improved things. I decided to add a BH solutions match barrel with crown and it was a drop in fit without issues. Have not shot it yet with the BH barrel but will do so soon. My local shop ordered in for me without issue at end of February. Oh, and a mini Olight fits beautifully on the rail. Cheers fellas!
The FN HP I bought in the early 1990s has exactly the same safety setup as this Girsan, and probably the same finish. The one my stepmother had, made in the 1970s, had a shiny blue finish, and had a safety lever on the left side of the frame only, which looked exactly like the one on the Tisas shown for comparison. I like the HP much more than you do, but I don't want the one in this video. Looks like I get to pay a premium over other Turkish HP clones for features that either don't hold up, or don't work.
My BHP was made in Belgium in1986 and I love it, was 325$ private sale purchase 10 years ago and has been a great investment and tool for my life. I carry it quite a bit. Yeah that mag safety is really annoying more than anything people often get confused about it when they pull the hammer back without the mag and can’t get it back down lol. I like the classics and for 800$ I’m ruling NAH/Ney ..pass
In the early to mid-90's, the Hi Power was still considered a popular choice in a carry gun. The first thing we did back then when we got a Hi Power was to take out that magazine safety, especially because that materially improved the factory trigger pull. I think if I were going to spend $800 on one today, I'd probably buy the Springfield Armory, since it has modern improvements that we used to have to pay for after purchase, and getting service on it from a US company is probably going to be easier.
Not only did I lose the front sight fiber optic strand, but also the gun front sight kept moving to the left. I centered it & put red locker & still moved after 100 rounds.
Great review as always. Trigger bums me out . Front sight could happen on any gun . Just a plastic rod easy fix. Olight would probably work but I did have one fly off my gun first time I tried it.
I bought the Tisas in SS when they were still being imported. I put every available C&S part on the gun. Billet extractor, sear, ext safety, rounded trigger, pulled the mag safety, extended slide stop, no bite hammer, all new springs, g10 grips, hogue stainless grip screws, finished it off with a threaded bbl ( which required substantial fitting.) The only stainless version of the BHP -ever to exist- except for very limited Baford Arms (long gone). The Belgies never made one in SS, they only capitulated to the SS. 😂
@@tylerwilliams6022 now, a heavily sprung, alloy framed 3.8" carry model would be titties. Big, firm ones. ❤ I have a Star PD that was wild and unpleasant until I put a heavier spring in it. Now its a pussycat.
FEG made a stainless copy Hi-Power. FN made the silver/chrome model, two different runs. One made in Belgium around 1984, one made in Belgium assembled in Portugal in very early 90's. There were very small differences between them.
Girsan has nothing to do with that red dot, it's EAA that sticks that on certain models as a way to charge $200 extra. EAA also likes to keep one of the two magazines that Girsan ships with and only give customers one instead.
Most of the time EAA doesn't even announce or promote whenever they have a new model coming out. Girsan deserves better. Hopefully there's a more competent importer who wants to partner with them in the near future.
@Kevin Allies was it the ops version?
Yup..I wonder why my case has a cut out for a second magazine but there is only on in the gun
I have chatted with an owner who said EAA customer service was terrible. Inhave the Girsan Match version which I habe yet to fire but the fiber optic coming loose is apparently common.
He never spoke to how the gun shoots.
How does one review a forearm and not mention that?😊
I've learned from experience that EAA is a pretty trash importer. They get their hands on great guns, sell them and offer little support/parts. They'll probably stop importing this one in a year.
Truth to all you say about EAA.
The lack of feed back on trigger reset is only a bad thing for those that are still practicing the reset drill BS.
No one shoots to reset in combat or a defensive shooting. It’s a horrible habit for an experienced shooter.
In my opinion it was only taught so that a large group of shooting students could be more easily controlled.
You are tricking the students into focusing on the trigger reset to either prevent a flinch or to slow them down and prevent a ND
But here again no one is shooting to reset in a life and death situation, so why train that way. Use you support had as it should be and slap that fucking trigger I promise you if your support hand is doing it’s job you will not have any issues.
I replaced the original fiber-optic rod with a green one. It is a .060" that you need.
Yes, the trigger is AWFUL out of the box BUT, if you run a couple of thousand rounds through it, you WILL (!!!) be AMAZED at how much better it gets!!!
A Streamlight TLR-1 HL WILL fit the rail; you *must* use the S&W TSW/99 key.
Give the gun a chance. 👍
I have the same exact gun. Have not yet fired. But, reviews and feedback from owners state the same. One reputable reviewer said the trigger got better after 200 or 300 rounds. He stated that he generally has not had that experience with most guns even when other swear it is so.
Also suggested to heat the ends of the fiber optic so they don't fall out.
I have a suggestion given to me regarding a trigger job. Owner said it was amazing.
Curious if you feel the green is a better color for sighting?
@@leelazarus5529 Yes, the green one has been much better for me.
I was at a gun store today and they had one on clearance for 533 and I bought it and honestly for 533 damn good 855 not so good. I purchased this one with without the red dot
I have the MC P35 Match, Non OPS, No rail. My fiber optic insert fell out at about 200 rounds. Not that difficult to replace. In fact, I carry spares just in case it happens again.
I absolutely love mine! Shoots great, feels great in my hand, just a solid piece.
Probably going to get the new shorter PI version when it's available.
Thanks for the review. I'm looking to buy the Girsan MPC35 PI LW Match which has the aluminum frame and not the OPS version as you have noted in your review that the rail is useless. Thanks again.
Have the TISAS and Girsan Hi-power clones. Both function well. My take on Turkish firearms-most pistols coming out of Turkey are very well made and are of incredible value, the Canik line is proof of this-but Turkish made rifles and shotguns have a lot to be desired.
I grabbed an Escort slugger 12 gauge pump for $200 because I figured why not and it’s been pretty solid with no issues. Though it is the only Turkish shotgun I’ve shot
Hates on Turkish shotguns not cycling 1250fps or slower 12ga loads.... Without having an example to point at that actually can. Saiga. Ar conversion uppers. Any semi-auto mag fed shotgun will have issues cycling low speed rounds, and tuned this can be mitigated. It's dummy hate for dummies and a couple smarties that want the price driven ever-lower on clearance guns in an effort to stock up.
All mag auto shotties have this issue regardless of Russian or American or Turkish origin. It's a false notion.
I've had good luck with a Tri-Star side by side 12 gauge and with a VR80 12 gauge semi-auto although I did need to get a missing O ring for the VR80 and break it in w/100 -150 1400+ fps rounds.
Dam I picked up a belgium made 1971 hi power for 600$ bux made a couple hundred bux on my sks so i got 400$ in it made me a happy old man lol 😆
Turkish pistols aren't junks. Turkish rifles and shotguns are... eh, unless they are made for reputable companies...
I have the "basic" P35 from Girsan. other than changing the grips for reproduction German wood ones, mine is stock. I am quite happy with it. I think much like with Tisas, once you wander off into the "custom" realm it gets disappointing. I wanted a Hi Power for plinking, and since I am not interested enough to shell out $1200+ for a Browning- I was happy with the $500 I spent to get "the feel". Mine runs great and shoots as well as I can.
Just saw one of these at a local shop and thought it felt great in the hand. I was really hoping you'd do a review on it!
My first gun was the original Belgian hi power, no other gun has fit my hand better. I like to get a Girsan to use that more and keep the original in the safe.
So I can have all of the modern upgrades but on a mechanically inferior platform?
Got a Tisas 1911 B9R 5 inch. Grabbing the Girsan MCP35 Ops, Regard, MAC 9 DS (Tisas' bull barreled 2011 clone) & their Benelli M4 clone ( MAC 1014 Tactical). Good Turkish guns deserves recognition.
The price of admission for Girsan's out-of-box custom features vs sourcing an OG Hi Power (or vanilla clone) and sending it in to get the same amount of custom features is what sold me on the MCP35 Match. I expected I'd still have to send it in for a trigger job and I likely will, but at least I won't have to shell out for the beaver tail, flared mag well, custom controls, and high undercut job. ...although I MAY consider swapping sights after seeing this video. Appreciate the coverage!
I have the non Optic MCP35 and love it. I would have loved to have gotten the Optic one but it wasn't out at the time. I paid less than $600.00 for the non Optic and find it well worth the money. It's a tack driver and so far has done well with no issues. The trigger is nice smooth with a clean break. People that have been in competition shooting sports know the fiber optic don't last long when used a lot so for me it's no big deal, I wouldn't like it if it fell off in less than a 100 rounds.
@@arlissyoung8899 I got the Commiefornia model, and it includes a set up thats optics ready, a Match barrel, and Novak style sights, though the rear sights are integral to the removable optic panel. It does not have the beaver tail or a bevelled magazine well, and it does have a loaded chamber indicator and a magazine disconnect which due to typical California nonsense, requires that I remove the entire trigger assembly to remove it, instead of just the pin on the trigger as in normal Hi Powers.
I have the exact same gun without the Red Dot. No issues at all and it functions as it should. You can save yourself the "Hot Mess" by losing the over priced red dot. Problem solved. Why do people continue to buy HP's or HP clones and continue to complain about the trigger. If you are a gun guru, you knew that going in. Just give it rest and shoot it.
So...how would you rank the available HiPowers (SA35, Tisas, Girsan, this one, ne Browning "GP35", original GP35?
I got rid of my SA-35. I couldn’t get that thing to run at all. Left a bad taste in my mouth for SA. I’d love to try some others. Having a HiPower or clone would be nice.
We just want it with a beaver tail, no magazine safety, and a modern 1911 safety. But not a single company listens. Not a single one.
Get the Girsan Match. Closest to what you desire.
Yeah $800 is steep. I got a non-optics ready version for sub $500 which I’m pleased with.
I got mine minus the red dot for $579 which I thought was a good deal. Honestly if I knew before I bought it that they made the version with the beavertail and no rail I would have gone that route instead.
Somewhat misleading in that the front fiber optic inserts commonly fall out and it takes about one minute to replace them. The replacement inserts are generally available in gun stores or sometimes extras come with the gun. I don’t own one of these but rather than discourage new (inexperienced) buyers by calling the sights a “hot mess”, just say how easy they are to replace
I like girsan stuff but you be high to spend anything over 500 for this gun or anything they make imo
Oh my freaking Lord I've wanted a black on black Nighthawk Custom Hi-Power since forever. They really are freaking gorgeous. When Springfield and FN announced they were making Hi-Powers again, I remember wondering if Nighthawk was going to jump on that. I've always loved the lettering(that small, all uppercase lettering that is reminiscent of old Colt(and other I presume) 1911s) the Browning guns had as well.
As cool as they are though, I just can't justify spending that much on a Hi Power, even if it is from Nighthawk.
I’ve got my eye on these but will wait for a threaded barrel edition and suppressor height night sights… no FO for me 😑
I ordered the basic model. Always wanted a hipower bit couldn't justify hipower prices considering i have better handguns
I dont think hes a fan of High Powers. To some its just the legend of John Browning.
This gun can be had for 700 range still pricey. IMHO. I think the optic is just a marketing ploy.
Still might consider this in standard form. 500 range.
Thanks for the review
I don't know why every gun tuber misrepresents the Hi Power safety by showing off something ancient and claiming that it's standard. The ambi safety on the Girsan, right down to the levers, is a copy of the ambi safety that came out on the Mk II in the early 80s. My Mk III's model name is literally the _Standard_ - ambi safety, deep blue, adjustable rear sights, walnut stocks, made in 1989. I'm the original owner, there's no confusion about how it was originally configured. The ambi safety was standard for basically 40 years until production ended. Kind of silly to claim that a new pistol copying what was already done for decades is somehow some big, wonderful improvement. 🤦🏻♂️
I like the Hi-Power. Back in the early 90’s I had the choice of going with HP’s or CZ-75’s…several 75’s later..
Never choose, by both!
Tisas and Grisan do make some nice products. When I was younger, I really wanted a hi power, then I shot one finnally. Wasn't impressed. I didn't hate it just was disappointed. Then i shot a CZ 75b. Well that really impressed me. But i digress. I would own a hi power, But never carry one. Again still a fine gun just not for me. Would like to see Nighthawk's version but I'd rather spend that money on one their 1911's.
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I own a Match - no rail and no red dot, and an adjustable rear sight.
Pros: with premium ammo like Underwood precision is *very* good. I get 1" groups at 20 yards hand held. With common range ammo it's no better than my G19.
Cons: the fiber fell out, just like it did for Tim. But it's a 5 minute repair that cost a penny. Also, since everybody loves an undercut on the trigger guard - a misguided idea at best - the gun has one, and it cuts into a knuckle on the middle finger.
The trigger reset is a non-issue. In live fire you don't wait to hear or feel that click, there's way too much going on in the 0.18 of a second between pairs already. It matters that the reset isn't too long, but how tactile it is is irrelevant.
I would'nt have made a big deal about the FO piece falling out of the front sight. No biggie. About 15 cents to replace. Which anyone knows it always fall out.
The firearm in that configuration is really disappointing. Thank you for the honest review, while it is possible I might purchase the Girsan, certainly not that "enhanced" model.
I got the mc match had a loose rear sight, fixed it. Paid 675.00 l like it a-lot. Doesn’t have any feeding or extraction problems like the SA.
I wonder if Stacatto will come out with a "2035" Hi-Power 12 years from now.
I spent $600 for the non red dot version. The problem with the loss of fiber optic lies in the fiber optic itself. Mine worked its way out of the gun in shipping before I could even shoot it. I replaced it with the included fiber optic green and red and they all broke after a mag or 2. After replacing with a spare fiber optic that came with one of my Caniks its never come loose. And yea the trigger is doodoo.
I don't know, I must have the only unmodified BHP with an out of the box awesome trigger. It's a Belgian made MKII that I bought decades ago back at Navy Arms in NJ. In fact it was Val Forgett who took it out of the case and showed it to me. He was trying to push me that day toward a SIG 225 police trade in, but I was a young man who until then bought second hand and wanted to buy my first brand new pistol. Over 40 years later I still have that gun. Even with the magazine disconnect the trigger still breaks like a Canik or Walther PPQ. One day I will pass it on to my son.
They need a little polish/spring love but the girsans shoot fantastic
What if the Genius Browning had lived for another 10 to 15 years? What wonders the world has been deprived of by his passing away when he did?
No detent on the thumb safety? Sure there is. There's no separate plunger tube; the spring and plunger fit in a hole in the frame. The BH Spring Solutions replacement spring sharpens the safety action a bit.
Wait! A Springfield SA35? Here I thought Bigfoot riding a unicorn bought all of them!
I have the original, and I really like it. I was looking at this version so I can run a red dot. Great review as always
I know this is off topic or what not but have you had a chance to try the Norma tactical 762 by 39 ammo I found it to be quite nice actually and it's brass cased ammo so it's reloadable just wasn't sure cuz I see you've been seeing you use a lot of Norma ammo lately was curious what your thoughts were about it
I paid $600 without the turd red dot... very pleased... I wouldn't pay $800 though
And yes, the triggers do suck, but I'll be taking care of that in a couple of weeks.
850 WHOW I GOT MY MC35 OPS FOR 550 OUT THE DOOR BUT MY GUN SHOP OWNER HAS KNOW ME FOR DECADES ... MY OPS HAD BEEN ROAD HARD PUT AWAY WET AND STILL SHOOTS FINE GREAT IN FACT ....
All I can say about the HP trigger. If you are a trigger snob stay away from this gun. have one for the last 30 + years and love it.
Bought this pistol…put a 100 rounds through it and the grips became so loose they almost fell off.
girsan's are just ok, but the real problem is eaa (DISTRIBUTOR) they are absolutely the wprst customer service imaginable. (BUYER BEWARE!)
Osea mejor sería la sprigfield o la nueva FN HP 🤷♂️👍
Hey , will any 9mm High Power Mag fit this , Mec-Gar for all the BHP's , ?
Great review. I'm surprised your magazine pops out so well though. The ones I've looked at don't eject more than an inch and the mag has to be pulled out. That being said, I do respect Girsan to a high degree in this low-budget clone market. I have the Beretta Girsan (Girsan Regard) and it works great. Never jammed, no issues whatsoever. I'd rate this company well above Taurus. As for their shortcomings, I'd blame Erdoğan, lol.
Am I the only guy that thinks the light mounting rail ruins the aesthetics of the gun? Maybe it's just me.
2:39 what made round 9 light up the barrel with orange flame and no other rounds did that?
I've seen a lot of reports of that front sight fiber optic coming out. Happened to me, too. Fortunately, those are fairly easy to replace.
If you have problems finding a new fibre element , Red monofilament large diameter .6 .65 .7mm .8mm depending on the diameter required are all available from local tackle shops and work pretty well, just warm the end into a blob with a soldering iron and push the unburned end through the slot then cut of the excess and heat that down to a size that holds it securely in the sight . It worked fine on My air rifle so it should work ok on powder burners too .
Am I the only one who prefers a grip like HK uses that does not have a beaver tail?
I really just want the beaver tail as my Hi power smacks me pretty good.
Still liking my 1950s Belgian Browning High Power.
Take that mag safety out and the trigger improves drastically
How did a 87 yr old gun become 2022s hottest thing ?
Me: Mom! I want a Staccato!
My mom: We have a Staccato at home.
*Staccato at home*
When are you gonna break out that BCM AR for more torture testing without cleaning it? I really enjoyed that series that you did.
I think Girsan makes a fine copy, and both are reasonably priced for the features.
Yeah, it's grear until it starts ejecting parts.
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That gun looks amazing.
I lost my front, fiber optic insert on my first range trip too. EAA were absolute jerks bout sending me a replacement. I believe Honest Outlaw had the same problem with his front insert as well. Maybe they should spend a second checking on that before shipping them out.
In my experience EAA are absolute jerks about everything. You caused the front sight fiber optic to fall out by actually shooting your gun, and you expect them to fix it? The nerve of some people….
Remember when everyone needed a Witness 10mm but some models cracked the slide and frame on a regular basis with standard pressure rounds? EAA were total dickheads about it. Luckily Tanfoglio was awesome about getting those back into service.
On a serious note, did the fiber optic tube have any indication it would be fragile before you shot it? Was the “balled up”portion melted at the front or the rear was too small for the opening in the sight? Was the replacement fiber optic filament a good fit to the sight? Some filaments are very brittle and if its undersized the shock of firing tends to break them. I’ve replaced enough FO filament that I had a whole box with nothing but different colors and sizes. The filament sold by Dawson Precision isn’t the cheapest but it is flexible. Bullseye out of New Hampshire is pretty good too and supposedly US made. Using a tapered Diamond needle file to minutely break the sharp edge of fiber optic tunnel in the sight can help too, since the sharp edges can act as stress risers break the filament.
Think I will stick with my 19 but cool looking piece
Is the CZ P01 still your carry gun?
The Girsan Regard (Beretta 92 clone) is pretty awesome. Paid $325 new (They have gone up since then) Better I think than the 92 I used to own. I would not pay $800 for that one.
it depends were you are in my area they have not gone up much the girsans are a better deal saw the 92 version of the beretta preformance model 526 wow beat paying 1500 or more for a beretta PS I own 2
I have been looking for one for years especially a military GP 35. I found one during the Panama Invasion and got confiscated by the MPs of 18th Airborne Corps. Those Rat Bastards!!! I still hate the MPs till this day!!! I am saving up to get the Springfield Armory SA 35. One day I will have my dream come true along with a British canvas holster and and canvas double mag pouch like how I discovered it at a Panama Defense Forces desk with a stack of porno magazines and a bottle of rum in a desk drawer.
Had the Girsan standard Hi-Power clone. It was terrible! Just got an older Browning Hi-Power that I happened to find at my LGS for under a grand. Waiting for a Springfield SA-35, but would be willing to give the tac ops a try.
My SA-35 was just meh. Reset in loooong and can't feel it. Notice how slow Mac shoots it
Sharp looking pistol. I could do without the optic, however.
I have the adjustable rear sight version my front fiber rod was loose as was the rear sight. I fixed them and I love the gun. I also don’t have the light Mount. It’s a gun I’m happy with for $675.00 out the door
I have a Browning HiPower 40 converted to 357 Sig. It is setup for cocked and lock carry with positive detent ambi safety with Novak sights. I've decided I will get the beavertail mod. Even with the C&S no bite hammer, the hilt of the grip chafes the web of my hand slightly. It's a good platform with the right mods.
You have a very desirable gun. The .40 S&W has a heavier slide and stronger frame than the 9 mm.
Novak used to use the .40 as a basis for their beautiful custom Hi Powers. The beaver tail was an option. Too bad they no longer customize guns. Love my Novak Para Ordnance P-13 Custom!
Cylinder and Slide will put a beaver tail on for you. Plus lots of other cool mods and parts. I put their larger thumb safeties plus sears and trigger on also
Cheers
Why does everything now a days have to have optics?
Finally browning hi power got rail!
I wish Springfield Armory introduce their railed browning hi power soon. 😊
I just want Springfield to make one with a beavertail that doesn’t look like hot garbage. Something along the lines of Jim Garthwaite, Robar, or Wilson Combat (yes, they used to customize Hi Powers!) beavertail, as opposed to some weird nearly straight spike sticking out behind the frame. Even the nighthawk one is a little wonky. I’ll gladly let them scan my Ted Yost Heirloom Precision Hi Power to get an idea of what a proportionally flattering beavertail looks like. Or the hi ride thumb safety that was custom made to approximately the feel and positive detent by llike a 1911.
What happened to the TISAS model ( 2023) ? .....can't find it anywhere.
when it came out years ago it had what some would call bad issues the you tubes yankee marshal did a review and he was not happy
Inforce pistol light review incoming?
It must be ran through the gauntlet! 😂😂😂
I myself, would like to get my hands on their Match model. Thanks for the share!!
After seeing what happened to the copy yhat Pewview had, I really don't know if I would trust this one.
The fiber light pipe is a simple fix with a piece of fiber and a bic
Hey tell us how you really feel. I get the feeling you aren’t a big fan of the Hi-Power. As always good content love your channel.
remember he is a fanboy if its not on his favorite list he says its nice but not for me
Honestly am interested in getting one of these and leave a real one alone stock. That way I can modify the heck out of one without feeling guilty about changing an original design. :D I wonder if this can be sold without the red dot, yet keep the mounting option there for less $$$? Also am curious about possibly swapping those sights out for some from a known reliable big brand. I wonder what could be done about that rail or what lights would actually work on it besides the one you have shown here. 🤔I would probably also upgrade the trigger.
I appreciate the review!
there is a company called Dove the makes an RDO plate that can be put on if you have a dove tail rear sight
did china make a highpower in the 80 or 90?
I still like 1911s best. Not sure I would carry one. I like everything about them except for the extractor. Under stress I think I would break it. Hi Powers are pretty sexy too.
I've had a few of these already.
I've found the safety detent to be WAY more positively detented than the traditional Hi-Power safety.
The Girsan Detective and standard, non-beavertail, versions have standard triggers with the magazine disconnect safety. They suck, like most Hi-Powers.
The OPS and Match are MUCH BETTER on every one I've had.
I like the frontstrap flare but if you have large hands you might not.
I have quite a few Hi-Powers personally and my Girsan Match is my favorite. (Adjustable rear sight, not with a DOT).
I have three of the aluminum Austrian Border Police FN pistols, one with an FM Argentine Detective slide which I have carried quite a bit. (Customized)
I WISH there was an aluminum frame with beavertail!!!!!!!!!
None of the Girsans I have sold has had the front fiber optic fall out BUT you can get replacement F.O. "sticks" at Brownells.
HOWEVER, why does the DOT version even have a front sight, there's NO rear sight?!?!?!?!
MY BIGGEST complaint is that there is too much gap between the top of the grip and the bottom of the safety.
The trigger reset on HPs DOES suck BUT the pull on the MATCH and OPS is NOT that bad, easily cleaned up by a competent gunsmith as well.
Out of the box is Springfield better ??
Why dont you do the gauntlet tests anymore?
Sadly I don't think I have shot a hi power that didn't have a horrible trigger
I have a Springfield SA35 at Mk3 to have many of the features that this Pistol comes with. Thus I bought one to keep me busy while the SA is off being modified. I shot it and its all fine from the box. I checked my front fiber and it was a tad loose so a small dab of super glue solved that. I polished the trigger a bit and that improved things. I decided to add a BH solutions match barrel with crown and it was a drop in fit without issues. Have not shot it yet with the BH barrel but will do so soon. My local shop ordered in for me without issue at end of February. Oh, and a mini Olight fits beautifully on the rail. Cheers fellas!
The FN HP I bought in the early 1990s has exactly the same safety setup as this Girsan, and probably the same finish. The one my stepmother had, made in the 1970s, had a shiny blue finish, and had a safety lever on the left side of the frame only, which looked exactly like the one on the Tisas shown for comparison. I like the HP much more than you do, but I don't want the one in this video. Looks like I get to pay a premium over other Turkish HP clones for features that either don't hold up, or don't work.
$677 Eaa p35 optic ready seems pretty good..love the G10 grips
i dont think that is worth 800 dollars.
Bought an Ops Match on a whim, love it.
$800?!
I'm glad non optic was a reasonable $480
New for that? Mine was over $700 new locally. G10 grips
@@leelazarus5529 yes new, no optic cut on mine and I'm okay with it. Black Friday deal
Pass for me but it looks good with the bigger beaver tail and I like that it doesn't have a magazine disconnect safety.
Springfield jumped in and failed lol
My BHP was made in Belgium in1986 and I love it, was 325$ private sale purchase 10 years ago and has been a great investment and tool for my life. I carry it quite a bit. Yeah that mag safety is really annoying more than anything people often get confused about it when they pull the hammer back without the mag and can’t get it back down lol. I like the classics and for 800$ I’m ruling NAH/Ney ..pass
In the early to mid-90's, the Hi Power was still considered a popular choice in a carry gun. The first thing we did back then when we got a Hi Power was to take out that magazine safety, especially because that materially improved the factory trigger pull. I think if I were going to spend $800 on one today, I'd probably buy the Springfield Armory, since it has modern improvements that we used to have to pay for after purchase, and getting service on it from a US company is probably going to be easier.
Very small, lightweight???
Cool idea but turned out 🗑️🚮
Idk if I'm just immature, but I chuckle every time I hear "beaver tail" 😆
Not only did I lose the front sight fiber optic strand, but also the gun front sight kept moving to the left. I centered it & put red locker & still moved after 100 rounds.
You need to stake it. Had to do that on my Girsan Match Elite 1911. Dawson fiber optic sight would not stay in the dovetail.
Great review as always. Trigger bums me out . Front sight could happen on any gun . Just a plastic rod easy fix. Olight would probably work but I did have one fly off my gun first time I tried it.
I bought the Tisas in SS when they were still being imported. I put every available C&S part on the gun. Billet extractor, sear, ext safety, rounded trigger, pulled the mag safety, extended slide stop, no bite hammer, all new springs, g10 grips, hogue stainless grip screws, finished it off with a threaded bbl ( which required substantial fitting.)
The only stainless version of the BHP -ever to exist- except for very limited Baford Arms (long gone).
The Belgies never made one in SS, they only capitulated to the SS. 😂
I'm hoping someone will release an alloy version like the old FN Aluminum ones.
@@tylerwilliams6022 those had problems with durability. They tried alloy framed DEs too. Same issue.
@@tylerwilliams6022 now, a heavily sprung, alloy framed 3.8" carry model would be titties. Big, firm ones. ❤ I have a Star PD that was wild and unpleasant until I put a heavier spring in it. Now its a pussycat.
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That's why I would practice with a regular HP and use the alloy one for carry.
FEG made a stainless copy Hi-Power. FN made the silver/chrome model, two different runs. One made in Belgium around 1984, one made in Belgium assembled in Portugal in very early 90's. There were very small differences between them.