The joy of drum brakes. Guaranteed to test your patience. Those 'specialist tools', or better to say job specific tools, certainly make it look easier than it can be with just a pair of pliers.
@@HomebrewSubaru after years of beating sealed bearings in with sockets blocks and other laying around items, i bought a stackable bearing driver... instantly made the job safer and fun.... years of using wratchet straps zipties etc etc compressing springs, finally bought a spring compressor... i have to do the corolla brakes im going to buy the right tools... what i'll save in labour will pay for the tools
I have to do a 2005 Corolla this sunday all the way around with drums in the rear, it has been many years since I performed a drum brake job so I am swapping out the old drums and rotors on the front. I will also be cleaning the car up and applying a ceramic coating on it from The Last Coat called Black Ice.
As he mentioned in the video, I would also take a picture of the assembly before taking apart. Also, don't do both rear wheels at the same time. Leave one intact for reference and it will be the reverse of the other side but still a good reference.
Excellent detailed video, I even watched adds :). One thing I recommend to wear disposable gloves when spraying brake cleaner to avoid chemicals on your skin.
ALWAYS replace your springs when you do drum brakes. They make very small movements during operation so its crucial that they are as strong/new as possible.
Do you have a link to a the spring/kit set for particular car? Every Corolla 2017 drum kit I see online doesn't have the exact set of springs and pieces
When I did these on my alero Im pretty sure I was able to get to the adjuster wheel from behind the backing plate so I could adjust them with the drum on. Seems like a way better design.
Great video. the only one that shows step by step on how to. Thank you!! But could you maybe add on the description the links on the part and the specialty tools you used? It would be incredible useful. Thank you for your knowledge!
Any suggestions for how to reattach the parking brake cable to the lever. I should have followed your procedure instead of the one provided in AllData. In that, they have you disconnect the parking brake cable. Getting it off was easy. However, after struggling for an hour to get it back on, I gave up for another day. The surrounding spring is pretty strong and not that easy to grab without it slipping. So while I can pull it back with needle nose pliers as they suggest, for the life of me I can't get it pulled back enough to simultaneously slip the cable into the slot. Is there a tool or technique for this? Thanks for the great video, by the way.
Personally I use side cutters/diagonal cutters for that part of it. The spring on the cable has a lot of tension and isn't easy to compress. It can be done by hand but if you're having trouble I do have a trick. Take some vice grips and clamp them onto the nub at the end of the cable. Make sure they are good and tight. Then use the side cutters to begin sliding the spring back. If the vice grips are in a good position, you can use them to lever against. Placing something like a socket between the grips and cutters will provide much greater leverage. Once the spring is far enough, lightly grip the cable with the cutters holding the spring and place onto the shoes. Good luck!
But don't you have to check the drum shoes first to see if it needs to be replaced? What kind of special tools are you using! Most people may not have that so what can they use? Where can I buy it from? I think adding that information will make your video better.
Good afternoon Teacher .This is my first time DIY changing rear drum , mine is 2014 Toyota Corollar same as the one you showed , after all install new shoes , the drum would not fit in, top bar was collapsed to last threat . Would you tell me what am I doing wrong and how to adjust for the hub fit in. Thank you .
Make sure everything is seated properly. The adjuster rests on the shoes. The shoes rest in the wheel cylinder. Sometimes the shoes come with too much lining on the shoe. I've had this issue a few times. Aftermarket parts don't fit together well in some cases. Keep trying or try different parts. You will get it.
Buddy I got problem after I did the drum brake my hand brake I have to pull all the way up in order I stop my car what should I do now thx and have a wonderful day
Some aftermarket shoes do not fit very well. Make sure the parking brake handle is released all the way down. Make sure the adjuster is seated all the way into the shoes. It is possible someone over-adjusted the parking brake cable so you can check there as well
Could be a broken spring. If it has higher mileage I would plan on changing some parts. Best thing is to have a look or get someone to check it to see exactly what you need
great video. was thinking of taking car in just to get brakes on lathe and new shoes, powerstop drums and shoes + DIY will be cheaper... plus all new. how much thickness did you have left on those shoes? looked not bad.... 1.6mm is the wear limit here where I am for MVI, i don't think mine are that thin yet... buit they are getting a shimmy on hard braking
I'm pretty sure I got it from Mac Tools back in the day. You can find similar tools online but from what I've seen most don't have the serrated foot that can be placed right onto the shoe lining. Should be okay to use those tools on bonded shoes
@@HomebrewSubaru Ah, I see. The one you have with the claw makes life a little easier. I've seen some around on the internet and most of them are German made and from overseas either from the U.K. or from Germany. They also have some Chinese ones from China, but not sure if the quality would be the same. That tool is a hard find.
Thanks for the video. Very detailed. On the part you're applying anti-seize at 7:17 (i.e. the part with 5 bolts), does this part need to be replace every so often? because when I checked mine, it was all rusty. Also, every how many miles should the brake shoes be replaced? and how about the drums?
That is the hub flange. It tends to only need replacing after severe damage. Cleaning off the rust with a wire brush will ensure the drum sits nice and flush. Expect rear drum brake complete replacement between 60-100k miles. Best to do everything all at once. If you're in a financial bind, it's possibly to get away with not replacing drums in most cases on a first time replacement.
@@HomebrewSubaru ok good stuff. I think the last set of drums I did had a rubber plug in the rear to access the adjuster if I remember correctly. That was on a 1988 nissan sentra. It's been awhile!!
I have a Hyundai Elantra 2.0, this one has drums in the back, is it the same or similar puzzle 🧩 for my vehicle 🚗? Not a lot of video samples for the 2017 🤔 I really don’t know why... anyways if anyone be kind enough n let me know it will be appreciated😎👍🏽 thanks n god blessed.
It should be reasonably similar, not the same. Springs may attach to different points but the basic principal will be the same. Having doubts, take a pic of the way it is before disassembly and only take apart one side at a time so you have the other side for reference
It's recommended for those that tend to step on the brake pedal while the shoes are off ;) The cylinder is easily contracted just by pushing on the pistons
Nevermind! I simply adjusted the rear drums like on your video. I took it for a spin and wow it feels way stronger when I brake! And also the handbrake feels like when I first took it out the dealer! 2016 corolla 48k miles. Thank you so much! Saved me the money since the dealer told me the rear brakes were wasted when they clearly were not haha thank you
I was able to change the parts watching your video. However the drum doesn't sit flush with the hub after I put it back. It has a small gap at the bottom. Is it safe to drive like this?
I think your terminology might be incorrect causing me to misunderstand. The wheel holds the drum in place. If it bolts on there shouldn’t be a problem
@@nogi7028 sometimes it’s the process of elimination to ease your worries. You could try swapping the drums to see if the fitment issue follows the drum or not. It might indicate what’s going on. If you can’t find it, make sure everything spins freely and road test it. Then you will know if you’re really having a problem or not.
See if you're using a special tools you should let the audience know whether it can be done with any optional tools. If not it will be greatly helpful if you let the audience know where to get it from.. otherwise how somebody is supposed to do the job, the same thing that you're showing other UA-camrs also showing.
Man my sister asked me to do her rear brakes got the wrongs ones first didn’t know they were drums. Then I couldn’t get the fucking drums off. Told her they were still good and come back in a month. It’s been a month help me lmaoo why didn’t the drum want to come off
The joy of drum brakes. Guaranteed to test your patience. Those 'specialist tools', or better to say job specific tools, certainly make it look easier than it can be with just a pair of pliers.
Stuart Robinson the right tools can make this job much less frustrating
@@HomebrewSubaru after years of beating sealed bearings in with sockets blocks and other laying around items, i bought a stackable bearing driver... instantly made the job safer and fun.... years of using wratchet straps zipties etc etc compressing springs, finally bought a spring compressor... i have to do the corolla brakes im going to buy the right tools... what i'll save in labour will pay for the tools
I have watched lots of videos of this kind and this one is by far the best and most comprehensive one.
Thank you, I appreciate the compliment
Thank you this was my first time doing drum brakes and this video helped out tremendously and it didn't take long. Once again thank u!
Glad it helped you out!
Yes same here thank you. About to do mine in a few
Nice work. A 98 Accord LX set of rear drum brakes kicked my butt a year ago. I was 90 miles from home and did not have the right tools. I was crying.
I have to do a 2005 Corolla this sunday all the way around with drums in the rear, it has been many years since I performed a drum brake job so I am swapping out the old drums and rotors on the front. I will also be cleaning the car up and applying a ceramic coating on it from The Last Coat called Black Ice.
You’re very professional jobs. You have a good teacher.
Thank you. I had a good mentor for a few years.
As he mentioned in the video, I would also take a picture of the assembly before taking apart. Also, don't do both rear wheels at the same time. Leave one intact for reference and it will be the reverse of the other side but still a good reference.
The best and most comprehensive video
Excellent detailed video, I even watched adds :). One thing I recommend to wear disposable gloves when spraying brake cleaner to avoid chemicals on your skin.
ALWAYS replace your springs when you do drum brakes. They make very small movements during operation so its crucial that they are as strong/new as possible.
Do you have a link to a the spring/kit set for particular car? Every Corolla 2017 drum kit I see online doesn't have the exact set of springs and pieces
When I did these on my alero Im pretty sure I was able to get to the adjuster wheel from behind the backing plate so I could adjust them with the drum on. Seems like a way better design.
That is common and easier but less effective in my opinion. Also over adjusting is easy to do and not as easy to undo with the drum on.
Great video. the only one that shows step by step on how to. Thank you!! But could you maybe add on the description the links on the part and the specialty tools you used? It would be incredible useful. Thank you for your knowledge!
Thanks 👍
Great Video! Thanks. Made it so much easier. I had a 2014, everything was the same. Thank Again!
Good to hear. Thanks for commenting!
Good job my friend. Cesar from Virginia.
Any suggestions for how to reattach the parking brake cable to the lever. I should have followed your procedure instead of the one provided in AllData. In that, they have you disconnect the parking brake cable. Getting it off was easy. However, after struggling for an hour to get it back on, I gave up for another day. The surrounding spring is pretty strong and not that easy to grab without it slipping. So while I can pull it back with needle nose pliers as they suggest, for the life of me I can't get it pulled back enough to simultaneously slip the cable into the slot. Is there a tool or technique for this? Thanks for the great video, by the way.
Personally I use side cutters/diagonal cutters for that part of it. The spring on the cable has a lot of tension and isn't easy to compress. It can be done by hand but if you're having trouble I do have a trick. Take some vice grips and clamp them onto the nub at the end of the cable. Make sure they are good and tight. Then use the side cutters to begin sliding the spring back. If the vice grips are in a good position, you can use them to lever against. Placing something like a socket between the grips and cutters will provide much greater leverage. Once the spring is far enough, lightly grip the cable with the cutters holding the spring and place onto the shoes. Good luck!
That worked like a charm. Thanks for the tip.@@HomebrewSubaru
@@stuartsiegel2327 👍
But don't you have to check the drum shoes first to see if it needs to be replaced? What kind of special tools are you using! Most people may not have that so what can they use? Where can I buy it from? I think adding that information will make your video better.
Please note that the title of this video is NOT an instructional on how to check your drum brakes.
Good afternoon Teacher .This is my first time DIY changing rear drum , mine is 2014 Toyota Corollar same as the one you showed , after all install new shoes , the drum would not fit in, top bar was collapsed to last threat . Would you tell me what am I doing wrong and how to adjust for the hub fit in. Thank you .
Make sure everything is seated properly. The adjuster rests on the shoes. The shoes rest in the wheel cylinder. Sometimes the shoes come with too much lining on the shoe. I've had this issue a few times. Aftermarket parts don't fit together well in some cases. Keep trying or try different parts. You will get it.
Thanks for the vid man.
Does the break clean hurt the rubber on the cylinder on the long run?
Nah you’re good 👍
That last spring with the adjuster is the worst part. I keep scratching the brake shoe trying to get the other end of the spring to get into place.
Not too big of a deal as long as it doesn’t crack off a chunk. Can use some sandpaper to smooth it back down if you really need to
@@HomebrewSubaru Okay I'll keep trying. Thanks!
Thank you sir!! You were a big help!!
Glad you got through it!
Buddy I got problem after I did the drum brake my hand brake I have to pull all the way up in order I stop my car what should I do now thx and have a wonderful day
You need to adjust the rear brakes some more for the handbrake to feel good. If brakes are adjusted all the way, adjust the cable at the handle.
I think u need to adjust your drum brakes. If the drum is too loose your parking break would be very high
Well produced and helpful video. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
so the drum won’t fit and i tried adjusting it and as much and less as i could and i feel there’s no difference i don’t what i did wrong
Some aftermarket shoes do not fit very well. Make sure the parking brake handle is released all the way down. Make sure the adjuster is seated all the way into the shoes. It is possible someone over-adjusted the parking brake cable so you can check there as well
A great job. Thank you.
thank you for this - GREAT video!
Excellent !!! tks for the help
My brakes squeak when I push and let off the pedal, not from stopping itself. What could this be? And should I change anything on em?
Could be a broken spring. If it has higher mileage I would plan on changing some parts. Best thing is to have a look or get someone to check it to see exactly what you need
Thank you!
great video. was thinking of taking car in just to get brakes on lathe and new shoes, powerstop drums and shoes + DIY will be cheaper... plus all new. how much thickness did you have left on those shoes? looked not bad.... 1.6mm is the wear limit here where I am for MVI, i don't think mine are that thin yet... buit they are getting a shimmy on hard braking
Shoes start out around 3-4mm but last forever
Great video
How can you tell when the rear drum brakes need to be replaced? Thanks
Drum brakes are not really able to be inspected properly without coming apart. If you're concerned, have them checked.
Very good
Great explanation.
Thanks
Great video!
Thanks for the video buddy. Very detailed and helpful. Where did you get that special spring pliers tool from? Do you have a link where we can buy it?
I'm pretty sure I got it from Mac Tools back in the day. You can find similar tools online but from what I've seen most don't have the serrated foot that can be placed right onto the shoe lining. Should be okay to use those tools on bonded shoes
@@HomebrewSubaru Ah, I see. The one you have with the claw makes life a little easier. I've seen some around on the internet and most of them are German made and from overseas either from the U.K. or from Germany. They also have some Chinese ones from China, but not sure if the quality would be the same. That tool is a hard find.
Would you happen to have the part number for the Mac Tools brake spring pliers?
@@moosemobileautorepair I can have a look later if it comes to me
Thanks for the video. Very detailed. On the part you're applying anti-seize at 7:17 (i.e. the part with 5 bolts), does this part need to be replace every so often? because when I checked mine, it was all rusty.
Also, every how many miles should the brake shoes be replaced? and how about the drums?
That is the hub flange. It tends to only need replacing after severe damage. Cleaning off the rust with a wire brush will ensure the drum sits nice and flush. Expect rear drum brake complete replacement between 60-100k miles. Best to do everything all at once. If you're in a financial bind, it's possibly to get away with not replacing drums in most cases on a first time replacement.
@@HomebrewSubaru got it. Thank you so much!
Thank you much!
Hi great video what's the name of those pliers where could I find them ?
Look for brake spring pliers from tools suppliers
Thank you buddy
WIthout adjusting the adjuster, will that not automatically adjust over time? Its so infrequent i do drum brakes.... forget from set to set ;)
No, the adjuster will not truly adjust up on its own. Drum brakes are best cleaned and adjusted to offer optimal braking
@@HomebrewSubaru ok good stuff. I think the last set of drums I did had a rubber plug in the rear to access the adjuster if I remember correctly. That was on a 1988 nissan sentra. It's been awhile!!
I have a Hyundai Elantra 2.0, this one has drums in the back, is it the same or similar puzzle 🧩 for my vehicle 🚗? Not a lot of video samples for the 2017 🤔 I really don’t know why... anyways if anyone be kind enough n let me know it will be appreciated😎👍🏽 thanks n god blessed.
It should be reasonably similar, not the same. Springs may attach to different points but the basic principal will be the same. Having doubts, take a pic of the way it is before disassembly and only take apart one side at a time so you have the other side for reference
what brand are the brake drums and where did you get them? thanks.
These were ordered online, I really can’t remember the brand to be honest
Do you recommend clipping off the brake line with some vice grips to prevent cylinder from expanding?
It's recommended for those that tend to step on the brake pedal while the shoes are off ;) The cylinder is easily contracted just by pushing on the pistons
How do you adjust the parking brake? Please lmk thank you
Nevermind! I simply adjusted the rear drums like on your video. I took it for a spin and wow it feels way stronger when I brake! And also the handbrake feels like when I first took it out the dealer! 2016 corolla 48k miles. Thank you so much! Saved me the money since the dealer told me the rear brakes were wasted when they clearly were not haha thank you
@@Braavoo__ Good stuff
Do you need to change the springs when you have over 100000 on your drums?
Not necessarily but it’s recommended. They don’t cost very much when bought as a pack at the parts store
I going to find a way to convert my drums to rotors
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this is one video on how to do that. They say it's pretty easy. Sounds expensive though.
Dank video
Nice bro 👍❤️
Homebrew Toyota
Sheer Lock lol not quite. At least I’m junking the Beamer? 😆
Nice...
I was able to change the parts watching your video. However the drum doesn't sit flush with the hub after I put it back. It has a small gap at the bottom. Is it safe to drive like this?
I think your terminology might be incorrect causing me to misunderstand. The wheel holds the drum in place. If it bolts on there shouldn’t be a problem
OK I guess. It's just weird that on one side of the car, the drum sits flush. But on the other side, it doesnt for some reason
@@nogi7028 sometimes it’s the process of elimination to ease your worries. You could try swapping the drums to see if the fitment issue follows the drum or not. It might indicate what’s going on. If you can’t find it, make sure everything spins freely and road test it. Then you will know if you’re really having a problem or not.
should i pull out my hand brake or keep it on? thanks
Keep the parking brake off during this job
See if you're using a special tools you should let the audience know whether it can be done with any optional tools. If not it will be greatly helpful if you let the audience know where to get it from.. otherwise how somebody is supposed to do the job, the same thing that you're showing other UA-camrs also showing.
I believe the man I purchased these tools from twenty years ago is now dead. My apologies.
6:00 great now those fucking clips closed on me, what does hammering even do?
No one said it would be easy ;)
Dude is just spraying brakleen on his hands...never do that. The stuff is extremely toxic.
You're correct but LMAO I'm not bathing in it.
I hate doing drum brakes.
Man my sister asked me to do her rear brakes got the wrongs ones first didn’t know they were drums. Then I couldn’t get the fucking drums off. Told her they were still good and come back in a month. It’s been a month help me lmaoo why didn’t the drum want to come off
Make sure the parking brake is off. Hit the drum with a hammer on the outer edge.
@@HomebrewSubaru I seen people screw bolts into the drum so it pushes it out is that possible for the 2017?
It might be but I don't remember.
@@HomebrewSubaru boss I did it with a 8x1.25 bolt screww into the rotor lol came out without hesitation