Walking through Constantinople in 1453 AD. What would you have seen?
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Actually it was a miracle that the ERE lasted as long as it did especially being relevant in the year 1000, the thing is that the ERE lasted so long that it ended exactly 39 years before Christopher Columbus sailed to the Americas, also the fall of Constantinople was the reason why the Spanish Inquisition started, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella threw the last Muslims out of Granada in 1492, The European Colonization came out as a result of this and many refugees from Constantinople left the city to escape Muslim persecution, sailed west to the Italian Peninsula to spread their knowledge there and thus the Renaissance was born.
There was no persecution. But it is true that many did migrate to Italy.
I’d be curious how to square the European response to the 4th crusade against the ERE measures with Europes later response of the Fall of Constantinople. It seems that most of the Europeans kind of pitied the ERE in its final decades.
@@DavGre It survived the first, but not the second.
@@DavGreDifference was population replacement and the genocides of the 20th century.
@@ClevelandBrown44Yeah I bet you tell yourself that everyday.
Interesting video. It reminds me of the last time I drove through Detroit, which still has some impressive buildings, but also some very desolate stretches.
I was thinking about Detroit while watching this, too....
This is so well done . The artist renditions are excellent.
constantiople was long gone by that time, but interestingly, ther despotate of morea, being an automonous roman province and the center of the greek world at its capital of mystras was thriving, sebestian should talk about the morea, its interesting
I think after 1204, Constantinople became a shadow of its former self, and fractured further over the centuries into smaller towns/municipalities rather than one big city.
1204 - one of the greatest catastrophies of humanity...
And destruction many old art a of Greco Roman works gone. The monuments, 100,000 of manuscripts, statues, mosaic, old column, hippodrome and imperial library of Constantinople. burn, melted and destroyed taking away from western Europe from ever…..
As usual fantastic delivery of information and entertainment for a Byzantine geek like me
Rome started as a collection of villages and ended as a reduced city-state protected by the walls built 1000 years earlier. It refused to die, even as an enclave inside the Ottoman Empire, until the gunpowder revolution..
Thus ending 2200 years of roman cilvilization..
Strangely poetic
Maybe I haven't been keeping up, but this is the first video of yours I've seen where you show your face.
Cool! You look WAY better than I thought you would.
At its peak around the 9th century Constantinople’s population would’ve been about 800,000, and by 1453 had fallen to maybe less than a tenth of that. Today, Istanbul has something like 16 million people. It’s a city with quite a history.
50k people for a 1453 is still a massive city. Crazy how it would feel emptish or small compared to its infrastructure.
A portion would be now in Galata, the area granted to the Genoese, and if pilgrims from the rest of the Greek Orthodox world (many monasteries and churches) are counted, it would be temporarily much higher. Papal Rome had a population approximating that, albeit the permanent population was probably lower given the aftermath of the Black Death and its many reoccurrences, plus the long term residence of Popes in Avignon (Papal from 1348 to 1791 and an official residence until 1377, exc the Great Schism's claimants). Seasonal agricultural workers might also have boosted the population.
It's shocking and counterintuitive to think of Constantinople as more a collection of villages than a unified city, even as late as 1453.
Made me think of Trantor in Foundation after the fall.
@@surters Foundation was based on the ERE
@@surters Asimov inspired his writings from the Roman and Eastern Roman Empires . In Frank Herbert's work the history of Dune /Arakis, was written by Princess Irulan,, in the same manner as Anna Komnene wrote the Alexiad.
@@etherospike3936 Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
I was thinking of this topic the last 2 years!
Awesome video yet again!
Can you do Alexandria or Jerusalem just before the Arab conquests please?
Antioch and Carthage too maybe
@@jBread28 Athens and Thessalonica would be interesting too
Visiting Italy right now. Was in Rome the last couple days, now in Napoli. Was going to visit Pompeï today but all the trains got cancelled right in front of me....
And the next 2 days while i am still here it's going to be a rainy mess. No Pompeï for me i guess... :(
When in Rome...
@@christopherevans2445 somebody should have called Mussolini, he would have made the trains run on time!
Do "if you had walked through the roman bath houses what would you have seen?" next.
Naked people. That's what 😂
Great video as always!
Istanbul reached a population of 500,000-700,000 just a century after this all happened
Things that they would've considered ruined and abandoned, we today consider to be beautiful..
The Romans had survived so much up till this point that I honestly think that they deserved to survive to today. I hate the 4th Crusade!
The Crusaders in 1204 got the cake [sack of Constantinople], and the Turks got the crumbs in 1453.
Rome at this time looked the same way, a city of one million shrunk to one of 35,000, %75 of the area inside it's great walls was open fields, small farms and overgrown ruins. Many of the cities of Europe after the fall of western Rome would've looked much the same at some point, a great many shrank to 1/10th of their land area.
Nimes and Arles are two fascinating examples of this urban implosion, they shrank down to just a couple thousand people living in their Amphitheaters (they turned them into little fortified villages with old amphitheater walls acting as town walls), I always think about these two towns when ever I look at some map of a huge Roman city and see the amphitheater.
One thing you can say about urban decay back then: At least when a building fell into ruin you could pull it apart to make a new building.
New stuff, it's either land fill or getting somebody to break up all the concrete.
One of the greatest tragedies of the past ages
This is so cool! Do you have any book recommendations about this topic?
It all had got going with two crazy sisters and Doukas's tremblings for glory
Roman empire is eternal. Immortal in our hearts and minds
So by this time, Rome would have been more impressive, and even London would have had a bigger population.
Great vid! But I must say that last bit about economic activity and trade increasing after the fall is false. In fact the Ottomans conquest caused the exile of the Venetians and Genoese who had developed a monopoly over Mediterranean trade hurting Europe leading to The Age of Exploration.
Alboin would have been proud.
Indeed an interesting video . Can give more explanation how the city looked back in those days as you describe because it looks like you have very old pictures which is not the case that is what you are not telling . You talk about it as if you are a time traveler 😀. So if you can explain that in a next video would be great
Rest in Peace Nova Roma
Why was it that when Constantinople fell to the Ottomans in 1453 they came to stay, rebuild, improve and make it their capital, whereas when it fell to the Venetians in 1204 they came to loot, pillage, destroy and leave? Why didn't the Venetians see the same opportunity as the Ottomans?
Were native Americans appreciative of the re-vitalization of North America after the arrival of the English? Same thing.
I’d have seen the garrison force stumbling all over the city trying to mobilize, as fathers, mothers, and even children would armed themselves against the massive Turkish army bombarding the city walls, as Constantine XI gives his last speech to the Roman Empire, with sword, shield, and armor.
Am I crazy or is there a noticeable beeping in the backgroud through a large part of the video?
Detroit....
Great video. I bet, the civil wars of Palaiologos era and the Black Death contributed to the desolation.
Today Istanbul is the largest city of Europe by population 😉
Buen video.
Some snooty academics like to insist that the European Middle Ages weren't really that bad because they had religion and culture. Yeah, tribal peoples have religion and culture too. That's pretty universal among humans. But, when you look at the state of urban collapse, the lack of civic infrastructure (maintenance or new development), endlessly changing rulership, the lack of literacy (even when it came to their own religions' scriptures), and the precariousness of life in general - it was an *awful* time to be alive if you weren't in the ruling class (and often even then).
Was there recently and felt sad it had been invaded and fell. After watching this…. I am kind of glad the decrepit crumbling shambles was destroyed.
I know what I would have seen: A whole lot of Geeks!
I mean, Greeks!
It should be called the fall of Rome, not the fall of Constantinople
Maybe in this alternative timeline crusaders how more successful conquests of levant and Egypt and Jerusalem under the holy banners. The sack 1204 by Latin crusaders would not happen Byzantine empire/Eastern Roman have regain Anatolia from rum state of seljuk and regained the Balkan/Haemus by crushing the Bulgarian uprising from moesia for that time. Constantinople today would city of world to this day become inhabited by old Greco Roman people who believe the legacy of their founding nation and their ancestors from old Rome.
So you are saying Aliens did it.
Venusians.
I'm not surprised.
You are a hero of history when you call them Roman's, of the Roman or eastern Roman empire. Why do some call it the byzantine empire yet still expect the listener to understand it was Roman? The answer is people are confused by this fake name byzantine. This is exactly what the originators of the byzantine label intended, to confuse to strip the later Roman's of their true legacy
I find this hard to listen to. Too soon.
So depressing. Ironic the Turks revived Constantinople.
Looking like San Francisco & LA 2024: abandoned, dusty, decrepit.
pool party
Can the West get it back?
1453 were no romans in constantinople, the inhabitants
Were greeks.
Wrong!
Greeks who were proud of their Roman inheritance.
They considered themselves Romans.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_people#Eastern_Mediterranean
@@umeahalla a Roman speaks latin, whose mothertongue is greek IS a greek.
Romaioi or Rhomaioi in other words, Romans. The Latins called them Romaei
“Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night
Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
So, take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks!
Istanbul, Istanbul
Istanbul, Istanbul!”
Actually it didn't officially change to Istanbul until 1930.
what is this bullshit
What is this bs
@@Iason29 It's the lyrics of a pop-song from around 1960.
In some alternate reality Roman Constantinople survived as a city state like Singapore. Agreed to de militarized and become a vassal of Ottoman Empire but retained its culture and religion.
Looks like we have to thank the Ottomans for reviving the city.
Bruh
Ironically kinda yeah
I mean, if the Byzantines had been able to properly bounce back after the 4th crusade then I’m sure the city would have revived under them eventually, but since that didn’t happen, yeah the ottomans did make it an important and prosperous city again when it became their capital. Though I doubt the local Christian Greek population were happy about their new rulers
@@Jediben001 I mean they had a chance, John Doukas Vatatzes was probably one of the most effective Byzantine Emperor in its long history, he recaptured territories in the Balkan, Rhodes and western Anatolia, eliminated the other competing Byzantine rulers and revitalized the economy of the Empire. Also, the Mongols attack on the Sultanate of Rum completely destroyed Seljuk power in Anatolia leaving it vulnerable, and then Micheal VIII happened. A very competent ruler who completed John's work of recapturing the now isolated Constantinople and perfectly used the art of diplomacy to pit a halt on Charles of Anjou attempt to invade the Empire, but he was an usurper and the people and soldiers in Byzantine Anatolia were loyal to the Laskarids, so he disbanded the Akratai and focus on making the Balkans his powerbase, weakening Anatolia in the process and giving the Ottomans the perfect environment to grow in power.
The truth is that it was a dying city under the Greek Eastern Romans. Once the Ottoman Turks took control it became one of the greatest cities in the world again. A lot of westerners are just xenophobic, they can't even comprehend that an Eastern Turkic race of muslim faith could do more than a western Christian one could. I say that as a English man. The British were the same in India, could not comprehend that brown Hindu's could build a civilization that was greater than theirs.
You’d see many turkroaches
The weeps of you and your kind keeps bringing joy to Turks 570 years on.
@@AbbathHeron you came from the asian steppe and to the asian steppe you shall return. Just like the Moors in Spain did
Yeah, Constantinople was already Istanbul, it just didnt know it yet