@@InfiniteClouds low end maxwell works. Sadly, no 970 or 980ti works. Awkwardly the 680 works but not the dual gpu 690, either. So i had an egg on face moment to find that there was no compatible Windows XP driver when i tried it on my Windows XP build.
ThyBonesConsumed I can vouch for this. I was able to install windows xp drivers using a Titan X!! If you don’t mind spending a little time modifying the drivers then you can use the best gpu for your build
I used a 750ti for my own XP build but I then switched to a Radeon 5870. While the 750 was incredibly good at it, it suffers from compatibility issue with older window 98 games. I know most of us retro enthusiast have also dedicated win 98 machines but I really enjoy the fact I can play most 95/98 games as well win XP games win max details on the same computer.
Did you format C: FAT32? I ask because I am wondering if older DOS games will work on XP as well if the file system is FAT32...provided they are not CPU speed sensitive... HMMmm... 🤔
It makes sense to separate Win Xp and Win 98/98SE... it's nothing more than just another case (or two) + PSU + CPU + mb + whatnot... IF you're really into it, that's all to it really. I have two separate W98SE builds, one is all Intel + nVidia and the other one is all AMD (Ati). Now, we could all argue about the "best" W98SE build (non-existing category IMHO) but... being the "original" and/or "true" comes with a hefty price tag... let alone being stupd or whatever. Some, back in the day, considered the FX series, or the early Quadro FX series (P214) nothing short of a failure, but they are anything short of a bomb-for-a-buck! In my collection I have quite a few of Quadro FX 4400 that are on par if not better (and not just in terms of $$$/performance) than GF6800 GT or GTX or Ultra. Oh, and do not forget the early Radeon X series.... packing a serious punch while being cheap as chips! Bottom line... are you ready to dish out $1500+ for a "oh-my-god-it's-so-awesome-and-time-correct" single Wooodoo card that is easily left in the dust by a humble TNT2 that costs's just a fraction? Or you are more like me... mind you, I have dozens of different Wooodoo cards for no other reason than I could.. or wanted.. or whatnot ... the local market where I live is WAY cheaper than eBay or AliExpress or whatnot. I am patient... I'll get the card I want - in a year or two... at the price I am willing to pay for it... so yeah... :P
Can confirm. Currently, I'm using GT 750ti for my XP machine, it's very fast and powerful for DirectX 9 games but compatibility with older DirectX 8 and earlier games is very bad. Some games work fine, but some can't render at all. I also tried GT 730 with various drivers - all the same result. Since most of my favorite childhood games are from that era of gaming I'm quite disappointed and also going to replace it with an older GPU. Maybe some Radeon.
This is good to know. I am looking for the 750ti because of the low TDP (60W), since the PSU that comes with the pc I bought is only 310W. I want to play The Sims and the original version of age of eimpires 2. Do you think I might have problems?
i love when Phil say... " 1280 x 1024"....😄 it always remind me 15 years ago... the dream gaming resolution which i never afford that time... when Doom 3 came out, my Radeon 7500 run D3 like a slide show... stutter like hell (~18 fps ).. 🤣🤣.. And my classmate has Radeon x700, and still Doom 3 struggle on 1024x768...😃..
🙂 yes it was really rough back then, there were no used old prebuilts that u cud retrofit, no internet, no pirating, everything really expensive AF, slow af video cards 😒 yeah no thank you 🙄 ☺️
@@Alakazam551 maybe he was speaking about 80's. :) Then he is right. First IBM PC's used to cost 2000$-6000$, after inflation it's like 4500-15000$ today.
And just today I was playing Doom 3 on my E450 at that 1280 x 1024. I mean damn, if this machine actually had Win XP drivers that worked, this machine would make an awesome retro rig. But, the video is not supported last time I checked
Amazing power consumption. Makes sense though, with only 1 CPU core without HT and an SSD with a GTX750. Perfect build, nice to see Windows XP being kept alive.
actually HT don't add much to power consumption. I saw measurement of same clocked 4/4 and 4/8 CPUs, power draw was same, but 4/8 had better performance in application, that know how to use HT.
Hey, Phil... Totally love your content. I was watching this with my almost 13 year old and he comes back after leaving the room and says "Daddy, have they shown Minecraft yet?" Ah, youth...
Just decommissioned an exact same mobo with 8 gigs, 2500k (stock H61 does not overclock at all) and have a ATI RADEON 5870 1gig card laying around that I have bought 10 years ago. That video came just the right time! Thanks Phil!
In fact I have a Core 2 Duo E8400 and I'm using Windows 7, working like a charm on it. I'd jump to Windows 10, but the motherboard accepts only 4gb max.
@@akualung When support ends consider Dual Booting with Linux. 4GB RAM is very good for Linux and you also have a 64 bit processor so you will have no issue with finding a compatible distribution.
@@virtualtools_3021they wrote the manual when that was the biggest modules available and never updated it when bigger modules came out. Ever since LGA 1366, the memory controller has been on the processor so yeah.
That is one wonderfully overkill PC for Windows XP. I think Sandy Bridge is one of the most versatile architectures... it can flawlessly run Windows XP all the way up to Windows 10 and still capable for games today, granted at lower detail settings. For an XP Machine personally I would go for a Core2Q6700... I just had many of these, which I gave away to many people who needed a basic web computer or a TV computer.
I remember when Windows 10 first came out the drivers...omg the trouble I had it was like Vista all over again lol :D Great cards though nothing quite like having a good headphone amp to bring the beats to life :D
Phil, Sandy/Ivy Bridge is Socket LGA 1155, 1156 was the Lynnfield 1st gen socket. The First Generation i5 or i7 would have also worked incredibly well under Windows XP as it works pretty well even in Windows 10 and most modern games when paired with a powerful enough GPU.
I'd recommend getting an i3 if you're gonna disable all cores but one anyway. Something like the i3-2120 does only 100MHz less that this i5 on 1 core so you'll never notice that in this situation. And they go for a third the price, sometimes even a quarter. Also there's an error in your video, this is socket 1155, not 1156
i recommend i3-3220, ivy bridge has even better power consumption and slightly better performance, cost is similiar. You can see differance between Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge in power consumption here. www.servethehome.com/intel-xeon-e31230-v2-ivy-bridge-xeon-review-4c8t-33ghz/ Anyway, as he is using only 1 core, differance would be small, but anyway. As cost is similiar, it's better to take Ivy Bridge version (i3-3220). I would take even Pentium (2C/2T), because you don't need hyperthreading.
Sandy/Ivy Bridge is definitely the most sensible options for an overkill Windows XP build, and is also useful as a backup PC in case your contemporary rig goes up in smoke! An i7 2600k/3770k is definitely usable with AAA titles of today (key word usable, I'm not implying they're optimal, they stopped being as such for a while), and Windows XP can accept up to a 980 Ti with modded drivers (and if you want to torture yourself, you can also SLI them, not that I recommend it). And depending on the RAM slot count, you can have up to 16 or 32gb of RAM and sit on it for basically forever. A dual boot Windows XP/Windows 10 setup is perfect for it, with Win10 for normal use and WinXP for retro goodness.
After 11 years, I've just built my first new, AM5-based rig. So I've been wondering what to do with my old LGA1155-based Mini-ITX build - when XP came to mind. Which is how I've found your video. This is it!
For me the sweet spot for XP is still the Core2 Duo E8xxx (preferably E8600) with GT240 or HD4770. They can run most XP era games around 80-150fps while they are power efficient and still period correct considering they came out in 2008-2009, just before the release of Windows 7.
That's right. Pentium 4 is for early 2000s or better for windows 98. If you want a retro PC (not only retro games) you'll use top tier hardware of that era.
I have an e8500 with 4(3.5gb) of OCZ ram and a Quadro 600. It's in an sff dell that was donated to me for services rendered. If I could find a reasonably priced low profile 750ti that's the only upgrade I'd make right now. It crushes HL2, more than decent enough at FarCry2 and runs Crysis at 30 when I get the settings dialled in. All of which I can play even better on my i7 with 16gb and a full-size 750ti, but the POINT is the fettling and the trying things out for me.
With all due respect Phil, I want to correct a mistake you made in the video. On the CPU you're using, it's the socket 1155 platform, not 1156, since you're using a 2nd gen i5. LGA1156 was used for 1st gen i3-5-7, so i3-5xx, i5-6xx and 7xx, and i7-8xx. I used to have a system built on it.
Just put a 750ti (the Asus with VGA) into my XP box powered by a E8400 Core 2 Duo, and it's just perfect, at least for me. Plays everything and no bugs so far, especially on a 1280x1024 CRT. Good video!
You don't need to go that high. If you are going with Sandy Bridge do for i3 (as you are effectively after the highest single core clock speed). Also the Gtx 750 is an overkill for a such arrangement. Go for something like 550Ti, these can be had for around $30 AUD. For more period correct HW, go for a 1st gen i3. Something like i3-530/540 or even 550. These have plenty of power in their single cores. Pair it with a mid range GTS 460. Don't go beyond 1GB, but also stay away from 512MB if you want the best performance.
Now THAT'S a GREAT Windows XP gaming rig! Love it! Great video, especially the tips, like turning off HT and locking it to one core. The video cards and the software!
The day finally comes when Phil is building a retro PC and it's your current daily driver.. Well, mine is a Ivy-E i7. I recently learned this was the last XP supported so I upgraded my 760 to a Titan Black and now I have the last officially supported hardware for Windows XP. I run Win 7 but bought a separate drive for XP - oh and a pcie titanium for EAX.
@@MrSamadolfo modern GPU prices are obsurd. Nvidia is pricing as if it was still the height of the cryptocraze. That craze has passed and they just don't want to accept it.
@@MrSamadolfo definitely. My friend has a business and when he designs kitchens or bathrooms they take a while if he wants a really detailed rendering. He's using a consumer Maxwell. I would assume a $2500 rtx could probably do it in seconds if the cpu was up to snuff
Ah perfect another relaxing friday video seeing phil getting into that hardware Giving a right amount dosis retro tech feel With every time wondering what he's up to :D
The ultimate way to play Windows XP games! Who cares if the CPU is not period correct when the frame rates and detail settings are truly stratospheric? What really matters are sheer performance results. Pentium 4 set up is only for masochists, it is best suited for Windows 98 titles.
@Roshan So a few games from the XP period will not run correctly. So what? Especially if the gamer does not play these games in the first place, which will probably be the case. It is just not normally possible for a gamer to play every game from the early 2000s period. These considerations are equivalent to backward compatibility with the new 2020 PS5 and Xbox Series X/S consoles, as at the end of the day you have to draw a line with vintage catalogue titles for the new console platform to progress into the future.
The correct way is not Pentium 4. It is top tier tools of that era for maximum compatibility and performance. Probably a high frequency dual core and 8800 GT or HD 4850. Something like that. Pentium 4 is for early 2000s, way before these games in the video launched.
@@bestopinion9257 The end justifies the means. If the prospective CPU and GPU was released 10 years after the game launched, which results with truly fantastic frame rates and performance, this is all that matters. 🎮
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b You can use whatever tool does the job ... if you want retro gaming only. BUT if you want a retro MACHINE then only hardware of that era (high end for a nice build) will fit. So: Retro games/gaming - whatever tool. Retro XP PC - proper hardware.
I just recently put together a similar high end XP machine with some dumpster parts from work. i5 660, Intel DH55TC motherboard and EVGA GTS 250. I disabled HT and Used XP Integral Edition. It's been pretty good so far.
To be fair, most late end XP stuff just uses sata as it's main drive, like laptops and the sort, but that was near the end of it's mainstream life as vista was about to come out
LOL.. I have an AMD AM2+ Athlon 64x2 with SATA HDD and DVD drive for years, I am still using it for scanning documents and printing on Zebra Thermal printer
I'm now building a really similar rig. i5-2400, GA-B75M-D3V, GTX 650 2Gb, 8Gb. My other "modern" option was a Phenom II X4. Until now all my Windows XP builds were K6-2, Pentium III, Ahtlon XP or Athlon 64. This motherboard has got a PCI slot so I should be able to use my Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS.
A good budget option is to look for old business PCs like Dell Optiplexes (the 390, 790, and 990 Sandy Bridge machines and 3010, 7010, and 9010 Ivy Bridge machines are the last ones with full Windows XP driver support), which can be found very cheap and already come with everything you need aside from a good GPU. I picked up a small form factor 790 for $50US and it came with an i5-2500, 4GB of Ram, 250GB HDD and was ready to go out of the box. Add in a low profile GPU and it'll run pretty much every XP era game.
Wow! I just made this exact system from spares. Got a system for $15 that had a pentium in it, took a free 2300 i5 and a free 750ti and it works just great!
Have a machine similar to this setup myself :) I got a little lucky as I got a gigabyte motherboard that had a locked down Zoostorm bios, but found there was a retail version of the same board. I put the retail bios onto it through bios update and unlocked the motherboard and all it's features which is nice :) I put a i5 2300 on it and paired it with a few dozen old hard drives I had lying around and and currently have a Nvidia 280 in the system. I was thinking of upgrading the GPU for something that supports dx11 mind as I dual boot with windows 7 on the machine (Something that was very easy to do since I had more than enough hard drives to give each os their own drive) and working out brilliantly so far :)
Another interesting option for a "Windows XP" machine is actually Windows Server 2003. The 32-bit DataCenter and Enterprise editions support up to 64GB of RAM, and the system is still primarily "XP" internally, so I would expect that most software ought to work without much fuss. Of course, getting the appropriate edition of 2003 is the tricky part.
Ay Phil! Nice vid as always! Try to make a video building a LGA 1156 cheap gaming PC. You can find new Chinese like HUANAN ZHI motherboards with same price as used like an Gigabyte, Asus etc!
@@philscomputerlab Well, I ended up buying a one in the middle of last month. Along with an I7 860 and a GTX 650 Ti 2GB. I will perform some benchmarks and maybe install this PC on my living room on my TV. Prices for 1156 used mobos are out of context. Some more expensive than 1155 mobos. I hope it all right. The brand is quite famous for LGA 2011 motherboards.
😒👍 sure! go used 1156, get a nice tall namebrand ATX board, $20 X3470 (i7) and some ddr3 1333mhz ram, plug in a video card and hammer down, bliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii 🚤............. ☺️
Great video once again Phil, the top VFM for WinXP seems to be a G31/P31 Mainboard from aliexpress for 20$, a Xeon L5408 for 6$! and Kingbox DDR2-2x2GB from ebay for 4$! I use these PC's for LanParty RTS Gaming.
Ive been using nvidia gpu's for well over a decade and can only remember one time that i had a driver crash, i know your point for ati drivers was different i just wanted to note how lucky i have been with their drivers :)
Added Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit in IDE mode on a Samsung 870 EVO 2TB SSD. You can get Windows 7 working with Legacy Updater, SDI, and it still Activates. The system will boot to Windows XP Pro by default. Pressing F9 at startup brings up a boot menu. SATA1 is Windows XP, and SATA 3 is Windows 7. It works. I install games from GOG with offline installer on it and it does bring support to more games that require 64 bit OS to utilize the 16GB memory on the system. I just use my Windows 11 PC to use Steam games. Reason I went with Windows 7 add on was because the controller disables on Windows 11 with Steam. The XP part works great with Optical disk games, and stuff made for XP. One system does a huge range of games. Well plus Windows Media Center. So ya, Dual boot option is awsome.
I've been slowly gather parts for my winxp machine, going a little crazy with the gpu, a 980 but only because I got a decent deal and plan to duel boot into Win10 for random things. Trying to score a Sony crt for this build has been the hardest part!
@@danielberrett2179 I've been lucky for my 240p 480p TV CRTs so far have everything I want for retro consoles. Pc on the other hand have been much harder to find
🙂 overkill, i think the 960 is the highest, the 970 980 is the next tier where u probably wont see any difference, plus ur burning more watts with two 6 pin plugs
I'm still building large quantities of XP machines for local companies (e.g. for industrial laundries which use 16bit DOS applications). It looks quite funny when you see 3 LPT ports, 2 RS232 serial ports next to connections such as 4x USB 3.0. I use as base mostly the HP SFF 8300 series with Intel 3xxx based CPUs, simply because it is the last gen of HP SFF PCs which offer XP driver support. AHCI drivers for the SSD work like a charm. I use PCIe expansion cards for additional LPT ports, e.g. Delock 89125.
So my regular pc is becoming a retro pc gaming system for Windows XP. i5 2500k, GTX 670 2 GB LOL! As for older monitors I got some at Value Village for under $10 here in Canada and one was a perfect Dell high end monitor for it's time and another I got has a bit of a blotch on the screen but only bothers me when I think about it. LOL! I guess in some games it might bother me but not too many games I can remember playing where I would notice the issue. Oh and also glad you constantly show RTCW as recently I tried to play it on a 1920x1080 screen and that among other things made it just not fun. I look forward to actually playing it on a proper monitor for it soon. Oh and a great video ... One of your better presentations in my opinion. I really do wish for some older hardware though and will be looking at that option in the future still. Now about the audio card if I can't get the exact one you recommended at a price point I want what others do you recommend? Also will the onboard audio with most 1155 boards work just fine with the Windows XP games? I think the answer is likely yes but if you know of some common games from back then that don't I would be interested to know. Finally thanks so much for letting me know about the Half Life situation where it is DRM free on Steam.
Amusingly, i learned that evga even has custom windows xp drivers for their x299 dark motherboard; in part because a group of competitive SuperPi overclockers were vocal enough to want it. On the high end of GPU support for windows XP, end of the line for AMD is the Radeon 7900 series (possibly 7990 for Crossfire), and R9 270X, which i at least was able to verify. On the nvidia side, the end of the line is the gtx 780ti, titan first gen and titan black, and the gtx 960. Might want to look up Dibya's RAM patch, which patches the kernel for XP so that PAE should work as intended. With good drivers, that would mean XP could recognize and address up to a total of 128GB of memory. I've tested up to 32 myself on a virtual machinr without issue, but it didn't work so well on a real build on an nforce4 board. A board meant for a sandy bridge core i chip should be able to handle more than that. You'll have to slipstream the patch in question, however. Would be ludicrous overkill, but in theory then you could pop in an i9 7980xe and have a windows xp machine with 36 threads and a bunch of RAM. XD far as i can tell, the only thing XP doesn't support is installing to an nvme drive. But a sata ssd should be more than fine.
🙂 thats cool, i personally like the 750 & 950 & 960, good all around beaters, and u can flip them easily 😒👍🐢🐢🐢 plus the output has analog support for vga & legacy bios support for oem prebuilts, compatibility is king, especially for resaleability 😒👍
@@MrSamadolfo Id like to get my hands on a 950 LP (No 6 pin) and compare to a 750ti (slower) and 1050/1050ti. Comparisons including, texture compression (Video ram usage), CPU loading, power efficiency and overclock/underclock potential. Would be also nice to know about the possible 264/265 vp8,vp9 video accelerations. Heavily needed on older, slower CPUs.
@@DarkLinkAD 🙂 ive seen alot of videos, the 750ti is 12 FPS behind a 950 at 1080p, if ur running a modern cpu. On older cpus like 775 the fps is the same, i have both cards, they normally cost the same 750 950 960. The 750ti holds its value better waaaaaaaay more than any other card in the world because its simply more well known, ask any person on the street in any country and they probably know what it is, its kinda funny but namebrand and model#'s can go a long way, if it was a car i would say its a honda civic or toyota corolla, u plug that card into any POS pc & its going to sell guaranteed because people are sheep 😅 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑
The whole nvidia 900 desktop cards can be windows xp compatible if you do a bit of driver modification. I was able to install the GTX 960 Windows xp driver with a Titan X and worked great!
Today I learned that my current computer is actually still Windows XP compatible and could be converted into a nostalgia build should I ever choose to (my CPU is a generation newer and the GPU one older than yours)! I actually still have my original Pentium 4 + Geforce Ti 4200 laying around somewhere, but you're probably right saying it's better to use something (much) more powerful to get a decent experience out of it. Certainly good tip to disable the additional cores in the BIOS, although I do remember the later games such as FEAR being able to take advantage of at least two cores to some degree - I suppose that's something to test should I ever get around to installing XP again ... PS: I was torn between Aussie and German on your accent and I after you educated us about the proper pronunciation of Wolfenstein I figure both are correct x)
Nice video as always :D it's a nice machine if you want retro feeling with Win XP. The fact that you can also use a modern Windows or Linux distro to transfer games etc. makes it really convenient :) It's really easy for those who don't want to mess around finding period correct parts and all. However, I still prefer a bit more the LGA 775 platform because it's cheaper and can be aquired for free (cheap OEM parts I know but it can be cool !) :D but the drawback is that I don't think it's going to max out 2005+ era games so it's more for people who don't want to spend more (and a bit stingy maybe ?: p) than like a dozen of bucks :D
THANK YOU for recommending the snappy driver installer. Just tried it out and it saved so much time. I owe you lunch in the very least someday for all the time I've saved by taking your advice.
I just built 2 systems using that exact motherboard and if anyone is intending to use it you must update the bios to F7a or you will struggle to get a boot out of it with a pcix graphics card installed.
This is the type of system I enjoy. I always want Ultra-everything and 100+ fps. :) Gonna have to dust off my old Win 7-box and make that into an XP battlestation, hehe. 3570K with GTX 780 - that should be awesome. Enjoyed this video a lot, keep up the good work Phil.
I don't think so, you can play any XP-era games on modern machines. It's not like the jump between Windows 98 and NT that broke all DOS compatibility. An XP gaming machine is basically any modern computer that cannot run the latest games.
thanks for share~ I also made a xp pc using i5-3470+B75+4G+750Ti+256G SSD I really enjoy that process and I am going to install some games what i have played in my childhood
You know your pc is old when someone recommends it for windows XP retro gaming XD. Phil would you be able to do something like this on the raspberry pi 4? If so it would be very interesting. Great video as always!
An interesting take on the topic. It seems I could just re-purpose my main rig as an XP machine. Might happen one day, I even have the X-Fi in the cupboard.
Hey Phil, lass die Meckerbolzen ruhig meckern (mämämä, nicht XP-Ära...) - es kommt auf den Spielspaß an und der ist mit "moderner" Hardware auf XP einfach top!
lol does he speak german? why then i write comments in english here xD btw nice video. love the „better hardware than at the time retro pc“ videos from you
I ran a 250GB SSD for like 6 or 7 years as the main boot drive in my daily driver gaming PC and it was just fine when I retired it earlier this year. I ran the Samsung health check and it said it was still very healthy. In fact, I'm still using it today, now in my NAS. I think the whole SSD finite life thing is completely overblown for most use cases.
I was about to build pretty much the same setup about a year ago but i ended up with a brand new i5 4570 and an asus board for it for about €120. Got it from my local PC service guy
I recently built a Windows XP computer using parts from this era, but I went all out with an i7 2700K, Z77 motherboard and a GTX 780 Ti. It's a good enough computer that dual booting XP with 7 or 10 and playing most modern games works fine. Also, I found that I can do 4:3 aspect ratio on my 780 Ti in old games by setting the desktop resolution a certain way. In my case there were two options in Nvidia Control Panel for 1080p and I chose the one that appeared lower in the list of resolutions. My games seem to work fine that way in 1280 x 1024 and lower with no stretched image.
Hi Phil just last week I got myself a Core 2 Duo E8600 and I put up a rig with GTX 750Ti and achieved 70500 on 3D mark 2001 SE with a slight overclock (3.5Ghz) :)
@@chanakasat1 ✌️😏 cool, recently in September 2019 i gifted a 775 system to my cousin, i also hooked him up with 300GB of my GOG Games 🤗 for video card i gave him an HD 5770, its alot cheaper than a 750 😉🐢
Is there reason why we need to use period hardware for Windows XP? Would more modern hardware have compatibility issues? And what is the game delivery medium gonna be like? Back then, a cd drive was mandatory but you can't even get disks nowadays. And many games are only available on steam. Does steam even support WinXP?
Steam doesn't work on XP anymore. Yea, many buy used games and they do come with CDs. The thing with XP is that there is such a wide range of hardware that support it.
Hi, no there's no real reason for this (this is from a guy who has 2 entire machines dedicated to XP) you can even use really modern parts like Ryzen or Skylake based hardware but the installation process is a bit finicky. Concerning CD drive etc. you can use one of them but also use Daemon Tools on XP (even on Win9X, I believe Phil made a video about it on Win98SE) but of course it requires more space in your storage drive. At least, you have no risk of damaging your CDs because of your optical drive (one of mine, think it was a x52 DVD burner exploded internally, taking with it my official Win XP Pro CD :( ] and sometimes installation & loading times can be improved thanks to it. About Steam games: You can still use Steam in Windows XP I think (I launched it on one of my machines in 2019 so when XP is officially no more supported by Valve) but you probably can't download games etc. In any case you'll see a red bar up in the middle of Steam telling that "Windows XP will be unsupported in 0 days". There's also a list of games on Steam that you may have and are DRM-free, you can see the list here: steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games I hope it'll help you :)
I'm surprized that thing actually worked with one of those ram sticks not being fully seated in the socket. The one on the side, top right corner of the mobo when viewed upright, latch wasnt fully in xd
Super Video Phil! Ich liebe XP als OS zum Zocken. Ist noch super abwärtskompatibel und es gibt tolle Spiele. Mein Traum XP Setup das bei mir steht, besteht aus einem Asus Crosshair II, gepaart mit einem AMD Phenom 1 9950 @ 3ghz , 2x 8800 gtx im Sli , 4 gig ddr 2 1066 ram und als CPU Kühler ein Thermalright IFX 14🥰 Beeindruckend war auch dein aktuelleres Video mit dem Haswell und der Gtx 960. wahnsinn wenn man immer die selben FPS sieht egal welche Settings.... davon haben wir damals geträumt😆 Beste Grüße aus windy Germany to down under:)
I recommend to use use 1.Core2Quad Q9650 2.Any LGA775 socket Motherboard 3.A Nvidia GeForce GTS 450 or 9800GT These are flagship specs during year 2008 and 2010. Edit:- A LGA775 motherboard doesn't cost much even I got one for $5
the Q9650 isnt really cheap and some might find it too expensive for a retro build... for a lga775 build i would rather use a modded xeon or a different quad like the q6600 which only costs like 5 bucks
@@talvisota327 ok good,you get the same performance,but I got a Q9650 processor for $10.BTW I built a XP PC with these specs but it cost me less than $50.
I was going to sell my i5-3570 with Radeon 7850 2gb build but now i'm gonna seriously copy this and do this as a retro build as I have all the hardware except the decent sound card. Thanks for the idea @PhilsComputerLab
starforce drm is pain, once installed a game with that windows 10 broke, will need xp machine for those drm included games and probably 32bit install, i dont know does it work with win 7
☺️ yes i remember now, microsoft added security on 10 to prevent some of the older disc drms from running, see if theres a GOG version or a pirate version ✌️😏☠️⛵
Oblivion If you own the game legally, just get a c r a c k for it. I did that with a lot of the games that I own physically. There are a few exceptions, though. Mainly depends on the game.
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As someone who runs laptop daily machine with AMD A series APU I know the struggle
🙂 true, alot of people only have a lousy laptop and its probably some crappy 2 core with integrated graphics, even if its brand new, its pretty sad ☺️
Always wondered what a sensible as-modern-as-possible Win XP build today would look like
I thought Kepler was the newest out-of-the-box compatible card for XP driver wise but based on this video apparently Maxwell works great too!
@@InfiniteClouds low end maxwell works. Sadly, no 970 or 980ti works. Awkwardly the 680 works but not the dual gpu 690, either. So i had an egg on face moment to find that there was no compatible Windows XP driver when i tried it on my Windows XP build.
@@ZeroHourProductions407 i.imgur.com/L2HHMR9.png
@@ZeroHourProductions407 Actually, there do seem to be ways to get the 970+ working on XP by modifying some files; but no Pascal luck.
ThyBonesConsumed I can vouch for this. I was able to install windows xp drivers using a Titan X!! If you don’t mind spending a little time modifying the drivers then you can use the best gpu for your build
F.E.A.R. in incredible, a 2005 game has native support for ultrawide out of the box.
I'm still running F. E. A. R. V1. 0 @highest settings on my true retro 2009 i7 920 & Gtx275 👌
Phil , you need to design a T-shirt “silky smooth 60fps” 😎
I used a 750ti for my own XP build but I then switched to a Radeon 5870. While the 750 was incredibly good at it, it suffers from compatibility issue with older window 98 games. I know most of us retro enthusiast have also dedicated win 98 machines but I really enjoy the fact I can play most 95/98 games as well win XP games win max details on the same computer.
Did you format C: FAT32? I ask because I am wondering if older DOS games will work on XP as well if the file system is FAT32...provided they are not CPU speed sensitive... HMMmm... 🤔
There is ko dos support in XP, but you can easily use dosbox and you have a really versatile retro gaming PC.
It makes sense to separate Win Xp and Win 98/98SE... it's nothing more than just another case (or two) + PSU + CPU + mb + whatnot... IF you're really into it, that's all to it really.
I have two separate W98SE builds, one is all Intel + nVidia and the other one is all AMD (Ati). Now, we could all argue about the "best" W98SE build (non-existing category IMHO) but... being the "original" and/or "true" comes with a hefty price tag... let alone being stupd or whatever.
Some, back in the day, considered the FX series, or the early Quadro FX series (P214) nothing short of a failure, but they are anything short of a bomb-for-a-buck! In my collection I have quite a few of Quadro FX 4400 that are on par if not better (and not just in terms of $$$/performance) than GF6800 GT or GTX or Ultra. Oh, and do not forget the early Radeon X series.... packing a serious punch while being cheap as chips!
Bottom line... are you ready to dish out $1500+ for a "oh-my-god-it's-so-awesome-and-time-correct" single Wooodoo card that is easily left in the dust by a humble TNT2 that costs's just a fraction? Or you are more like me... mind you, I have dozens of different Wooodoo cards for no other reason than I could.. or wanted.. or whatnot ... the local market where I live is WAY cheaper than eBay or AliExpress or whatnot. I am patient... I'll get the card I want - in a year or two... at the price I am willing to pay for it... so yeah... :P
Can confirm. Currently, I'm using GT 750ti for my XP machine, it's very fast and powerful for DirectX 9 games but compatibility with older DirectX 8 and earlier games is very bad. Some games work fine, but some can't render at all. I also tried GT 730 with various drivers - all the same result. Since most of my favorite childhood games are from that era of gaming I'm quite disappointed and also going to replace it with an older GPU. Maybe some Radeon.
This is good to know. I am looking for the 750ti because of the low TDP (60W), since the PSU that comes with the pc I bought is only 310W. I want to play The Sims and the original version of age of eimpires 2. Do you think I might have problems?
2:08 The i5 2400 is LGA 1155, not 1156 ;)
Oh dear. It does get confusing with all the sockets :P
Exactly.
@@philscomputerlab One more reason why I like AMD :D
😃 yay 1156, i have three at the moment, i love them because it supports the $20 Poor Mans i7 CPU the x3470 😍🐢
@@infidelgermany what?AMD have loads of sockets in the XP era too(AM2/2+/3/3+ FM1 etc)
i love when Phil say... " 1280 x 1024"....😄
it always remind me 15 years ago... the dream gaming resolution which i never afford that time...
when Doom 3 came out, my Radeon 7500 run D3 like a slide show... stutter like hell (~18 fps ).. 🤣🤣..
And my classmate has Radeon x700, and
still Doom 3 struggle on 1024x768...😃..
🙂 yes it was really rough back then, there were no used old prebuilts that u cud retrofit, no internet, no pirating, everything really expensive AF, slow af video cards
😒 yeah no thank you 🙄
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@@Alakazam551 maybe he was speaking about 80's. :) Then he is right. First IBM PC's used to cost 2000$-6000$, after inflation it's like 4500-15000$ today.
+Devolve Studios you must be fun at parties.
And just today I was playing Doom 3 on my E450 at that 1280 x 1024. I mean damn, if this machine actually had Win XP drivers that worked, this machine would make an awesome retro rig. But, the video is not supported last time I checked
@@Qinti101 for fast winxp retro rig, socket 775 dual core is enough. GTX 560 should work too.
Amazing power consumption. Makes sense though, with only 1 CPU core without HT and an SSD with a GTX750. Perfect build, nice to see Windows XP being kept alive.
actually HT don't add much to power consumption. I saw measurement of same clocked 4/4 and 4/8 CPUs, power draw was same, but 4/8 had better performance in application, that know how to use HT.
Yes, but why not just use Windows 10?
Hey, Phil...
Totally love your content. I was watching this with my almost 13 year old and he comes back after leaving the room and says "Daddy, have they shown Minecraft yet?" Ah, youth...
Haha that's awesome :D
This was my exact PC specs before upgrading to a Ryzen 5 1600 and a RX 580.
Just decommissioned an exact same mobo with 8 gigs, 2500k (stock H61 does not overclock at all) and have a ATI RADEON 5870 1gig card laying around that I have bought 10 years ago. That video came just the right time! Thanks Phil!
🙂 i picked up a $10 5850, just for kicks 😇
That's a nice buil for rocking with Win7
In fact I have a Core 2 Duo E8400 and I'm using Windows 7, working like a charm on it. I'd jump to Windows 10, but the motherboard accepts only 4gb max.
@@akualung When support ends consider Dual Booting with Linux. 4GB RAM is very good for Linux and you also have a 64 bit processor so you will have no issue with finding a compatible distribution.
@@akualung the 4gb limit on a lot of dells is BS, mine took 8gb no problem
@@virtualtools_3021they wrote the manual when that was the biggest modules available and never updated it when bigger modules came out. Ever since LGA 1366, the memory controller has been on the processor so yeah.
That is one wonderfully overkill PC for Windows XP. I think Sandy Bridge is one of the most versatile architectures... it can flawlessly run Windows XP all the way up to Windows 10 and still capable for games today, granted at lower detail settings.
For an XP Machine personally I would go for a Core2Q6700... I just had many of these, which I gave away to many people who needed a basic web computer or a TV computer.
I still use a modern Creative card for sound for gaming. Even in 2019 onboard audio is still inferior to a dedicated sound card or sound hardware.
I remember when Windows 10 first came out the drivers...omg the trouble I had it was like Vista all over again lol :D Great cards though nothing quite like having a good headphone amp to bring the beats to life :D
Phil, Sandy/Ivy Bridge is Socket LGA 1155, 1156 was the Lynnfield 1st gen socket. The First Generation i5 or i7 would have also worked incredibly well under Windows XP as it works pretty well even in Windows 10 and most modern games when paired with a powerful enough GPU.
I'd recommend getting an i3 if you're gonna disable all cores but one anyway. Something like the i3-2120 does only 100MHz less that this i5 on 1 core so you'll never notice that in this situation. And they go for a third the price, sometimes even a quarter. Also there's an error in your video, this is socket 1155, not 1156
🙂 yup, i3s are good beaters for around $29, thats what i would use for Haswell 1150, 1155
🙂 for 1156 tho u can go X3470 4c 8t for only 20 dollars
Good call, no one wants the i3 models anymore so much cheaper.
i recommend i3-3220, ivy bridge has even better power consumption and slightly better performance, cost is similiar.
You can see differance between Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge in power consumption here. www.servethehome.com/intel-xeon-e31230-v2-ivy-bridge-xeon-review-4c8t-33ghz/
Anyway, as he is using only 1 core, differance would be small, but anyway. As cost is similiar, it's better to take Ivy Bridge version (i3-3220). I would take even Pentium (2C/2T), because you don't need hyperthreading.
@Bluebird np. Just take Pentium 2C/2T Ivy Bridge. And disable one core. It's cheapest, you can find them even like for 5$.
Or a pentium 1155 a G620 the performance is like a core 2 quad but only 2 cores
Nothing wrong with this video, great job. Keep doing exactly as you are. It works and its you.
🙂 yes, more of this, and less ryzen ☺️ jiji
only one mistake, he said its socket 1156 but its 1155
E8400, 2 gb ddr2 800mhz, 8800gt, Windows XP Black Edition was my go to back in the day. Love these videos.. they bring back so many memories.
😒👍 775
Sandy/Ivy Bridge is definitely the most sensible options for an overkill Windows XP build, and is also useful as a backup PC in case your contemporary rig goes up in smoke! An i7 2600k/3770k is definitely usable with AAA titles of today (key word usable, I'm not implying they're optimal, they stopped being as such for a while), and Windows XP can accept up to a 980 Ti with modded drivers (and if you want to torture yourself, you can also SLI them, not that I recommend it). And depending on the RAM slot count, you can have up to 16 or 32gb of RAM and sit on it for basically forever. A dual boot Windows XP/Windows 10 setup is perfect for it, with Win10 for normal use and WinXP for retro goodness.
You forgot the Arch Linux on it too. But all other is Perfekt displayed.
After 11 years, I've just built my first new, AM5-based rig. So I've been wondering what to do with my old LGA1155-based Mini-ITX build - when XP came to mind. Which is how I've found your video.
This is it!
For me the sweet spot for XP is still the Core2 Duo E8xxx (preferably E8600) with GT240 or HD4770. They can run most XP era games around 80-150fps while they are power efficient and still period correct considering they came out in 2008-2009, just before the release of Windows 7.
😒👍 775 FTW 🐢
That's right. Pentium 4 is for early 2000s or better for windows 98. If you want a retro PC (not only retro games) you'll use top tier hardware of that era.
I have an e8500 with 4(3.5gb) of OCZ ram and a Quadro 600. It's in an sff dell that was donated to me for services rendered. If I could find a reasonably priced low profile 750ti that's the only upgrade I'd make right now. It crushes HL2, more than decent enough at FarCry2 and runs Crysis at 30 when I get the settings dialled in. All of which I can play even better on my i7 with 16gb and a full-size 750ti, but the POINT is the fettling and the trying things out for me.
This is a really great build! It even works as a windows 7 retro gaming machine.
Not even windows 7 needs more you noob. gpu wise that is probably a 780 ti.
With all due respect Phil, I want to correct a mistake you made in the video.
On the CPU you're using, it's the socket 1155 platform, not 1156, since you're using a 2nd gen i5.
LGA1156 was used for 1st gen i3-5-7, so i3-5xx, i5-6xx and 7xx, and i7-8xx. I used to have a system built on it.
great vid, I just built a Windows 7 "GOG PC" with i5-3570k a couple days ago, runs XP-7 era games flawless
I got and pre-dell Alienware area 51 off of CL locally for $100, loaded XP and a bunch of games off of GOG onto an SSD. runs everything flawlessly.
@@kadergumus2598 It's a 7500-r4 so water cooled intel core 2 extreme (I think it's a qx6700) and 2 8800gts in SLI. I dropped in a 250Gb ssd.
Just put a 750ti (the Asus with VGA) into my XP box powered by a E8400 Core 2 Duo, and it's just perfect, at least for me. Plays everything and no bugs so far, especially on a 1280x1024 CRT. Good video!
You don't need to go that high. If you are going with Sandy Bridge do for i3 (as you are effectively after the highest single core clock speed). Also the Gtx 750 is an overkill for a such arrangement. Go for something like 550Ti, these can be had for around $30 AUD. For more period correct HW, go for a 1st gen i3. Something like i3-530/540 or even 550. These have plenty of power in their single cores. Pair it with a mid range GTS 460. Don't go beyond 1GB, but also stay away from 512MB if you want the best performance.
Now THAT'S a GREAT Windows XP gaming rig! Love it! Great video, especially the tips, like turning off HT and locking it to one core. The video cards and the software!
The day finally comes when Phil is building a retro PC and it's your current daily driver.. Well, mine is a Ivy-E i7. I recently learned this was the last XP supported so I upgraded my 760 to a Titan Black and now I have the last officially supported hardware for Windows XP. I run Win 7 but bought a separate drive for XP - oh and a pcie titanium for EAX.
🙂 i saw a Titan RTX at Microcenter recently, the price tag is $2499 😰 wtf!
@@MrSamadolfo modern GPU prices are obsurd. Nvidia is pricing as if it was still the height of the cryptocraze. That craze has passed and they just don't want to accept it.
@@InfiniteClouds 🙂 maybe its meant for businesses that run AutoCAD or engineer software, i would like to ask Microcenter who buys them? ☺️
@@MrSamadolfo definitely. My friend has a business and when he designs kitchens or bathrooms they take a while if he wants a really detailed rendering. He's using a consumer Maxwell. I would assume a $2500 rtx could probably do it in seconds if the cpu was up to snuff
@@InfiniteClouds 🙂 oh that makes sense then
Another Friday, another excellent video from Phil. Have a great weekend!
When you gamed using cassette tapes and someone calls windows xp retro. Makes you feel old😂
Right gotta love those TI days 1978 😎
Exactly what I am building right now for my LAN party gang. We plan to run 4 such PCs in LAN. 😅🎉❤
I’ve always wanted to build a system using the last single core ever made and see how that would fare in retro titles.
Ah perfect another relaxing friday video
seeing phil getting into that hardware
Giving a right amount dosis retro tech feel
With every time wondering what he's up to :D
The ultimate way to play Windows XP games! Who cares if the CPU is not period correct when the frame rates and detail settings are truly stratospheric? What really matters are sheer performance results. Pentium 4 set up is only for masochists, it is best suited for Windows 98 titles.
Eh some games might not like modern hardware tho
@Roshan So a few games from the XP period will not run correctly. So what? Especially if the gamer does not play these games in the first place, which will probably be the case. It is just not normally possible for a gamer to play every game from the early 2000s period. These considerations are equivalent to backward compatibility with the new 2020 PS5 and Xbox Series X/S consoles, as at the end of the day you have to draw a line with vintage catalogue titles for the new console platform to progress into the future.
The correct way is not Pentium 4. It is top tier tools of that era for maximum compatibility and performance. Probably a high frequency dual core and 8800 GT or HD 4850. Something like that. Pentium 4 is for early 2000s, way before these games in the video launched.
@@bestopinion9257 The end justifies the means. If the prospective CPU and GPU was released 10 years after the game launched, which results with truly fantastic frame rates and performance, this is all that matters. 🎮
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b You can use whatever tool does the job ... if you want retro gaming only. BUT if you want a retro MACHINE then only hardware of that era (high end for a nice build) will fit. So:
Retro games/gaming - whatever tool.
Retro XP PC - proper hardware.
I just recently put together a similar high end XP machine with some dumpster parts from work. i5 660, Intel DH55TC motherboard and EVGA GTS 250. I disabled HT and Used XP Integral Edition. It's been pretty good so far.
Its not a real XP machine if the motherboard doesnt have IDE connection. :D
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To be fair, most late end XP stuff just uses sata as it's main drive, like laptops and the sort, but that was near the end of it's mainstream life as vista was about to come out
That would be a Windows 98SE machine.
LOL.. I have an AMD AM2+ Athlon 64x2 with SATA HDD and DVD drive for years, I am still using it for scanning documents and printing on Zebra Thermal printer
i had already sata in win XP times, particulary after 2006. IDE was more like 90's and win98 era issue.
I'm now building a really similar rig. i5-2400, GA-B75M-D3V, GTX 650 2Gb, 8Gb. My other "modern" option was a Phenom II X4. Until now all my Windows XP builds were K6-2, Pentium III, Ahtlon XP or Athlon 64.
This motherboard has got a PCI slot so I should be able to use my Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS.
I think this is actually the definitive collection of hardware for maximum xp performance.
A good budget option is to look for old business PCs like Dell Optiplexes (the 390, 790, and 990 Sandy Bridge machines and 3010, 7010, and 9010 Ivy Bridge machines are the last ones with full Windows XP driver support), which can be found very cheap and already come with everything you need aside from a good GPU. I picked up a small form factor 790 for $50US and it came with an i5-2500, 4GB of Ram, 250GB HDD and was ready to go out of the box. Add in a low profile GPU and it'll run pretty much every XP era game.
Now I want to build a PC like this. :D
😃👍 OK!
Wow! I just made this exact system from spares. Got a system for $15 that had a pentium in it, took a free 2300 i5 and a free 750ti and it works just great!
Have a machine similar to this setup myself :) I got a little lucky as I got a gigabyte motherboard that had a locked down Zoostorm bios, but found there was a retail version of the same board. I put the retail bios onto it through bios update and unlocked the motherboard and all it's features which is nice :) I put a i5 2300 on it and paired it with a few dozen old hard drives I had lying around and and currently have a Nvidia 280 in the system. I was thinking of upgrading the GPU for something that supports dx11 mind as I dual boot with windows 7 on the machine (Something that was very easy to do since I had more than enough hard drives to give each os their own drive) and working out brilliantly so far :)
Another interesting option for a "Windows XP" machine is actually Windows Server 2003. The 32-bit DataCenter and Enterprise editions support up to 64GB of RAM, and the system is still primarily "XP" internally, so I would expect that most software ought to work without much fuss. Of course, getting the appropriate edition of 2003 is the tricky part.
look for tiny 2003. its a stripped down version of 2003
Ay Phil! Nice vid as always! Try to make a video building a LGA 1156 cheap gaming PC. You can find new Chinese like HUANAN ZHI motherboards with same price as used like an Gigabyte, Asus etc!
I believe I have covered such Chinese boards. In the end, I recommend getting an used 1156 board instead.
@@philscomputerlab Well, I ended up buying a one in the middle of last month. Along with an I7 860 and a GTX 650 Ti 2GB. I will perform some benchmarks and maybe install this PC on my living room on my TV. Prices for 1156 used mobos are out of context. Some more expensive than 1155 mobos. I hope it all right. The brand is quite famous for LGA 2011 motherboards.
😒👍 sure! go used 1156, get a nice tall namebrand ATX board, $20 X3470 (i7) and some ddr3 1333mhz ram, plug in a video card and hammer down, bliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
🚤.............
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@@philscomputerlab i5 2400 (Sandy Bridge) is LGA 1155, just FYI.
LGA 1156 is Lynnfield/Clarkfield, a.k.a. Core i5 1-st gen (7xx/6xx) series.
Great video once again Phil, the top VFM for WinXP seems to be a G31/P31 Mainboard from aliexpress for 20$, a Xeon L5408 for 6$! and Kingbox DDR2-2x2GB from ebay for 4$! I use these PC's for LanParty RTS Gaming.
Ive been using nvidia gpu's for well over a decade and can only remember one time that i had a driver crash, i know your point for ati drivers was different i just wanted to note how lucky i have been with their drivers :)
😰 yeah but used invidia is alot more expensive here compared to radeon cards
@@MrSamadolfo They're more expensive because products that actually work are priceless when compared to the alternative.
@@wasd____ I used ATI / AMD Cards through out the whole "XP and Windows 7 Aera" and can confirm that they actually work. Saved a lot of money
Added Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit in IDE mode on a Samsung 870 EVO 2TB SSD.
You can get Windows 7 working with Legacy Updater, SDI, and it still Activates. The system will boot to Windows XP Pro by default. Pressing F9 at startup brings up a boot menu. SATA1 is Windows XP, and SATA 3 is Windows 7. It works. I install games from GOG with offline installer on it and it does bring support to more games that require 64 bit OS to utilize the 16GB memory on the system. I just use my Windows 11 PC to use Steam games. Reason I went with Windows 7 add on was because the controller disables on Windows 11 with Steam. The XP part works great with Optical disk games, and stuff made for XP. One system does a huge range of games. Well plus Windows Media Center. So ya, Dual boot option is awsome.
Nice!
I've been slowly gather parts for my winxp machine, going a little crazy with the gpu, a 980 but only because I got a decent deal and plan to duel boot into Win10 for random things. Trying to score a Sony crt for this build has been the hardest part!
Good luck Finding a good CRT It will either take Big money or luck looking for a good deal from someone who doesn't know what they have.
@@danielberrett2179 I've been lucky for my 240p 480p TV CRTs so far have everything I want for retro consoles. Pc on the other hand have been much harder to find
🙂 overkill, i think the 960 is the highest,
the 970 980 is the next tier where u probably wont see any difference, plus ur burning more watts with two 6 pin plugs
I'm still building large quantities of XP machines for local companies (e.g. for industrial laundries which use 16bit DOS applications).
It looks quite funny when you see 3 LPT ports, 2 RS232 serial ports next to connections such as 4x USB 3.0.
I use as base mostly the HP SFF 8300 series with Intel 3xxx based CPUs, simply because it is the last gen of HP SFF PCs which offer XP driver support. AHCI drivers for the SSD work like a charm.
I use PCIe expansion cards for additional LPT ports, e.g. Delock 89125.
🙂 neat
Better than my first pc 😌
I had that exact cpu until last month when I upgraded to a Ryzen 7 3700X. Damn is it a big difference.
And here I am playing need for speed underground 2 on my gtx 1070 LOL. Widsceen mod, 120hz monitor and maxed out at 1080p. Looks great.
So my regular pc is becoming a retro pc gaming system for Windows XP.
i5 2500k, GTX 670 2 GB
LOL!
As for older monitors I got some at Value Village for under $10 here in Canada and one was a perfect Dell high end monitor for it's time and another I got has a bit of a blotch on the screen but only bothers me when I think about it. LOL! I guess in some games it might bother me but not too many games I can remember playing where I would notice the issue.
Oh and also glad you constantly show RTCW as recently I tried to play it on a 1920x1080 screen and that among other things made it just not fun. I look forward to actually playing it on a proper monitor for it soon.
Oh and a great video ... One of your better presentations in my opinion.
I really do wish for some older hardware though and will be looking at that option in the future still.
Now about the audio card if I can't get the exact one you recommended at a price point I want what others do you recommend? Also will the onboard audio with most 1155 boards work just fine with the Windows XP games? I think the answer is likely yes but if you know of some common games from back then that don't I would be interested to know.
Finally thanks so much for letting me know about the Half Life situation where it is DRM free on Steam.
I'm still rocking my 2500k. Love it to bits. And my Twin Frozr III 6950. I'm not much of a PC gamer anymore anyway to be fair.
Amusingly, i learned that evga even has custom windows xp drivers for their x299 dark motherboard; in part because a group of competitive SuperPi overclockers were vocal enough to want it.
On the high end of GPU support for windows XP, end of the line for AMD is the Radeon 7900 series (possibly 7990 for Crossfire), and R9 270X, which i at least was able to verify. On the nvidia side, the end of the line is the gtx 780ti, titan first gen and titan black, and the gtx 960.
Might want to look up Dibya's RAM patch, which patches the kernel for XP so that PAE should work as intended. With good drivers, that would mean XP could recognize and address up to a total of 128GB of memory. I've tested up to 32 myself on a virtual machinr without issue, but it didn't work so well on a real build on an nforce4 board. A board meant for a sandy bridge core i chip should be able to handle more than that. You'll have to slipstream the patch in question, however.
Would be ludicrous overkill, but in theory then you could pop in an i9 7980xe and have a windows xp machine with 36 threads and a bunch of RAM. XD far as i can tell, the only thing XP doesn't support is installing to an nvme drive. But a sata ssd should be more than fine.
That would be perfect for playing games on "RamDisk"
🙂 thats cool, i personally like the 750 & 950 & 960, good all around beaters, and u can flip them easily 😒👍🐢🐢🐢
plus the output has analog support for vga & legacy bios support for oem prebuilts, compatibility is king, especially for resaleability 😒👍
@@MrSamadolfo Id like to get my hands on a 950 LP (No 6 pin) and compare to a 750ti (slower) and 1050/1050ti.
Comparisons including, texture compression (Video ram usage), CPU loading, power efficiency and overclock/underclock potential.
Would be also nice to know about the possible 264/265 vp8,vp9 video accelerations. Heavily needed on older, slower CPUs.
@@DarkLinkAD 🙂 ive seen alot of videos, the 750ti is 12 FPS behind a 950 at 1080p, if ur running a modern cpu. On older cpus like 775 the fps is the same, i have both cards, they normally cost the same 750 950 960. The 750ti holds its value better waaaaaaaay more than any other card in the world because its simply more well known, ask any person on the street in any country and they probably know what it is, its kinda funny but namebrand and model#'s can go a long way, if it was a car i would say its a honda civic or toyota corolla, u plug that card into any POS pc & its going to sell guaranteed because people are sheep 😅 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑
The whole nvidia 900 desktop cards can be windows xp compatible if you do a bit of driver modification. I was able to install the GTX 960 Windows xp driver with a Titan X and worked great!
Today I learned that my current computer is actually still Windows XP compatible and could be converted into a nostalgia build should I ever choose to (my CPU is a generation newer and the GPU one older than yours)! I actually still have my original Pentium 4 + Geforce Ti 4200 laying around somewhere, but you're probably right saying it's better to use something (much) more powerful to get a decent experience out of it.
Certainly good tip to disable the additional cores in the BIOS, although I do remember the later games such as FEAR being able to take advantage of at least two cores to some degree - I suppose that's something to test should I ever get around to installing XP again ...
PS: I was torn between Aussie and German on your accent and I after you educated us about the proper pronunciation of Wolfenstein I figure both are correct x)
Austrian moved to Australia 😊
I'm going to build something like this for my little brother's twelfth birthday in January
And no, hes not going to play Fortnite, but Minecraft :^)
☺️ i never played Minecraft, but I have tried out Cube World
I was looking now how fast would a Celeron 620 would be compared to my s939 4800x2 and... woow! 😳 Thanks for these kind of videos!
it'll even work with windowa 10 flawlessly
✌️😏 and Windows 7 📀
@@MrSamadolfo yeah if you're not plugged to the net win 7 support will end soon no more security updates. So it's either win 10 or linux.
@@scorpiom8053 🙂 sure, i personally dont use windows updates ever but thats not for everybody ☺️
not all tha time
It is nice to see clasic operating system with overpowered hardware
Nice video as always :D it's a nice machine if you want retro feeling with Win XP. The fact that you can also use a modern Windows or Linux distro to transfer games etc. makes it really convenient :) It's really easy for those who don't want to mess around finding period correct parts and all.
However, I still prefer a bit more the LGA 775 platform because it's cheaper and can be aquired for free (cheap OEM parts I know but it can be cool !) :D but the drawback is that I don't think it's going to max out 2005+ era games so it's more for people who don't want to spend more (and a bit stingy maybe ?: p) than like a dozen of bucks :D
🙂👍 yes rite now i recommend 775 & 1156, they are both cheap af, $20 Q9550 or $20 X3470 🐢😍🐢
THANK YOU for recommending the snappy driver installer. Just tried it out and it saved so much time.
I owe you lunch in the very least someday for all the time I've saved by taking your advice.
I just built 2 systems using that exact motherboard and if anyone is intending to use it you must update the bios to F7a or you will struggle to get a boot out of it with a pcix graphics card installed.
Well done video...quite awesome to see Farcry and Halo run that smooth!
I5 2400 lga 1155.. but 1150 and Pentium G3258 lockfree, 2 core, m2 sata ssd.. Great old gaming pc..
🙂 sure
LGA 1150 has no official Windows XP support like LGA 1155 (Sandy & Ivy Bridge)!
@@itsmeco9061 🙂👍 good points
I've installed windows XP on PC with a AMD FX-8350 with a GTX 960 before, it ran surprisingly stable.
no retro setup is complete without a 4:3 crt monitor...
this. You could also boost your fps by interlacing the resolution.
This is the type of system I enjoy. I always want Ultra-everything and 100+ fps. :)
Gonna have to dust off my old Win 7-box and make that into an XP battlestation, hehe. 3570K with GTX 780 - that should be awesome.
Enjoyed this video a lot, keep up the good work Phil.
Windows xp is retro now? I'm so old...
I don't think so, you can play any XP-era games on modern machines. It's not like the jump between Windows 98 and NT that broke all DOS compatibility.
An XP gaming machine is basically any modern computer that cannot run the latest games.
It’s not. The only people that say that are on UA-cam. Windows 95 is retro. Windows XP is just out of date.
thanks for share~ I also made a xp pc using i5-3470+B75+4G+750Ti+256G SSD
I really enjoy that process and I am going to install some games what i have played in my childhood
You know your pc is old when someone recommends it for windows XP retro gaming XD. Phil would you be able to do something like this on the raspberry pi 4? If so it would be very interesting. Great video as always!
Nah not into Pi and Maker type stuff!
RPi's can't run x86 software, at least not natively, you have to use emulation and it's muuch slower and limited (no WinXP, that's for sure).
This is pretty much the same hardware I am still using at work in my pc. I have been stashing good working 19" square LCD's for the future.
At work, earlier this year, we recycled maybe 100 17" and 19" LCDs. I grabbed a few, but yea, they will soon become rare.
I5-2400 is lga1155,not 1156
An interesting take on the topic. It seems I could just re-purpose my main rig as an XP machine. Might happen one day, I even have the X-Fi in the cupboard.
Hey Phil, lass die Meckerbolzen ruhig meckern (mämämä, nicht XP-Ära...) - es kommt auf den Spielspaß an und der ist mit "moderner" Hardware auf XP einfach top!
lol does he speak german? why then i write comments in english here xD
btw nice video. love the „better hardware than at the time retro pc“ videos from you
I ran a 250GB SSD for like 6 or 7 years as the main boot drive in my daily driver gaming PC and it was just fine when I retired it earlier this year. I ran the Samsung health check and it said it was still very healthy. In fact, I'm still using it today, now in my NAS. I think the whole SSD finite life thing is completely overblown for most use cases.
🙂 maybe they want to sell more SSDs 🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢😊
This is good. Can use modern safer PSU instead of gambling on P4 Era units.
why? a modern psu works fine with P4 builds too... only for athlon xp / pentium 3 systems you have to pay attention to the 5V rail
@@talvisota327 Unless your socket A board has a 4 pin EPS connector ;)
@@talvisota327 True for S775 P4 boards, Socket 478 and below is going to be fun,
@@Seatux its true for socket 478 and even 423 too
I was about to build pretty much the same setup about a year ago but i ended up with a brand new i5 4570 and an asus board for it for about €120.
Got it from my local PC service guy
My dream pc
I love all budget or great performances Retro Gaming PCs! :D
I recently built a Windows XP computer using parts from this era, but I went all out with an i7 2700K, Z77 motherboard and a GTX 780 Ti. It's a good enough computer that dual booting XP with 7 or 10 and playing most modern games works fine.
Also, I found that I can do 4:3 aspect ratio on my 780 Ti in old games by setting the desktop resolution a certain way. In my case there were two options in Nvidia Control Panel for 1080p and I chose the one that appeared lower in the list of resolutions. My games seem to work fine that way in 1280 x 1024 and lower with no stretched image.
Hi Phil just last week I got myself a Core 2 Duo E8600 and I put up a rig with GTX 750Ti and achieved 70500 on 3D mark 2001 SE with a slight overclock (3.5Ghz) :)
😒👍 775
@@MrSamadolfo board was a free gift 😁
@@chanakasat1 ✌️😏 cool, recently in September 2019 i gifted a 775 system to my cousin, i also hooked him up with 300GB of my GOG Games 🤗 for video card i gave him an HD 5770, its alot cheaper than a 750 😉🐢
Nice build Phil
I have a LGA 1366 Hexacore xeon right now with a GTX 770 rocking windows XP and 8.1 (no point in 7) and I couldnt ask for more. So many good games!
Is there reason why we need to use period hardware for Windows XP? Would more modern hardware have compatibility issues?
And what is the game delivery medium gonna be like? Back then, a cd drive was mandatory but you can't even get disks nowadays. And many games are only available on steam. Does steam even support WinXP?
Steam doesn't work on XP anymore. Yea, many buy used games and they do come with CDs. The thing with XP is that there is such a wide range of hardware that support it.
Hi, no there's no real reason for this (this is from a guy who has 2 entire machines dedicated to XP) you can even use really modern parts like Ryzen or Skylake based hardware but the installation process is a bit finicky.
Concerning CD drive etc. you can use one of them but also use Daemon Tools on XP (even on Win9X, I believe Phil made a video about it on Win98SE) but of course it requires more space in your storage drive. At least, you have no risk of damaging your CDs because of your optical drive (one of mine, think it was a x52 DVD burner exploded internally, taking with it my official Win XP Pro CD :( ] and sometimes installation & loading times can be improved thanks to it.
About Steam games: You can still use Steam in Windows XP I think (I launched it on one of my machines in 2019 so when XP is officially no more supported by Valve) but you probably can't download games etc. In any case you'll see a red bar up in the middle of Steam telling that "Windows XP will be unsupported in 0 days". There's also a list of games on Steam that you may have and are DRM-free, you can see the list here: steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
I hope it'll help you :)
🙂 this is more for people that are nostalgic, similar to people buying old consoles, they get all warm & fuzzy inside 😇
I'm surprized that thing actually worked with one of those ram sticks not being fully seated in the socket. The one on the side, top right corner of the mobo when viewed upright, latch wasnt fully in xd
>< Now I'm triggered
"Wow nice build, an i5? How many cores does it have"
"1."
Super Video Phil! Ich liebe XP als OS zum Zocken. Ist noch super abwärtskompatibel und es gibt tolle Spiele.
Mein Traum XP Setup das bei mir steht, besteht aus einem Asus Crosshair II, gepaart mit einem AMD Phenom 1 9950 @ 3ghz , 2x 8800 gtx im Sli , 4 gig ddr 2 1066 ram und als CPU Kühler ein Thermalright IFX 14🥰
Beeindruckend war auch dein aktuelleres Video mit dem Haswell und der Gtx 960. wahnsinn wenn man immer die selben FPS sieht egal welche Settings.... davon haben wir damals geträumt😆
Beste Grüße aus windy Germany to down under:)
What about Oblivion?? This one was really hard to run back in 2006
I look forward to a Ultra XP machine build.
I recommend to use use
1.Core2Quad Q9650
2.Any LGA775 socket Motherboard
3.A Nvidia GeForce GTS 450 or 9800GT
These are flagship specs during year 2008 and 2010.
Edit:- A LGA775 motherboard doesn't cost much even I got one for $5
the Q9650 isnt really cheap and some might find it too expensive for a retro build... for a lga775 build i would rather use a modded xeon or a different quad like the q6600 which only costs like 5 bucks
@@talvisota327 ok good,you get the same performance,but I got a Q9650 processor for $10.BTW I built a XP PC with these specs but it cost me less than $50.
@@Zerotwo-ks8rg people can build PC's for cheap.....but that doesn't mean those prices are the norm
🙂 $15 Q9500, $20 Q9550, also checkout HD & R7 cards because invidia sometimes cost way too much over radeon, resellers are crazy 😒🐢
😒 a decent 775 board with 4 ram slots is around $30 with io shield & free shipping
Yeah, that's the kind of content I subscribed for ♥
Good work! :)
Wasn't lga1156 for nehalem and westmere
Yes. It was FIRST Gen Core i series. Sandy Bridge was second get and used 1155.
😒👍 yes, 1156 is ideal for running the poor man's i7 (x3440)
18:15 for a second I thought I was looking at Bigg rigs off the road racing 😂
Nice video phil
🙂 guys, Arctic coolers come preapplied with cheap mx2 paste, if ur picky wipe it off and apply mx4
Bro, i love this kind of video :)
I was going to sell my i5-3570 with Radeon 7850 2gb build but now i'm gonna seriously copy this and do this as a retro build as I have all the hardware except the decent sound card. Thanks for the idea @PhilsComputerLab
starforce drm is pain, once installed a game with that windows 10 broke, will need xp machine for those drm included games and probably 32bit install, i dont know does it work with win 7
☺️ yes i remember now, microsoft added security on 10 to prevent some of the older disc drms from running, see if theres a GOG version or a pirate version ✌️😏☠️⛵
In colin mcrae dirt, the game corrupts the save files but the newest patch which is removes the drm, solves the issue
Oblivion If you own the game legally, just get a c r a c k for it. I did that with a lot of the games that I own physically. There are a few exceptions, though. Mainly depends on the game.
I didn't know you could run Win XP on a sandy bridge machine with a relatevely new GPU based on maxwell architecture.