The nurse deal is terrible but it’s often overlooked that he got that much money because he was one of the top 3 defence men in the Covid season. He was signed to a bridge deal before that so that’s why he got so much money.
@@somerandomidiot1333 Every team has a terrible a contract on their roster, Nurse is a top 4 dman on any team so his contract is somewhat manageable. At least while Draisaitl, Mcdavid and Bouch are waiting for their extensions. Its gonna be a problem after that
@@somerandomidiot1333Nurse got paid the market rate when his deal was up, the precedent was set when Seth Jones, Dougie Hamilton & Jacob Trouba all got big money similar amount as he did. They're ALL right hand shots. The elusive unicorns coveted elite position etc Yet can you say Jones or Hamilton are better than Nurse? Trouba is probably the only one available now because there's talk that the Rangers are contemplating a big move. If the Oilers had cap space anyone of those other 3 could be our 1st pairing rhd over Bouchard in a ideal world yet we have to deal with reality. If Larsson's dad hadn't of died here our # 1 rhd or #2 would be solid.
I thought Ken did a good job. Pandemic impacted the salary cap in ways no one planned for and lost key pieces to circumstances totally out of his control. Added some brilliant pieces and kept the ship fairly steady through rough waters. Thanks Ken. 👍💙🧡
I know Ken wasn't perfect but he was the best we had in decades and had a huge impact of getting us to one goal away from winning the Stanley Cup. Let's instead gamble it all away with "Not even sure who we can hire at this point". Why... solely because my ego can not take winning the cup with someone that I didn't hand pick. That is an absolutely ridiculous and dangerous reason. Because of this poor decision, it's all on Jeff now.... every trade, signing, and performance of this new amazing GM is going to be scrutinized. If we don't at least make it to the finals next year, I will be demanding Jeffs removal in order for them to get my season ticket money. That is how poor and necessary I believe this decision was.
Nurse was a huge mistake, 9.3 for a 3 mil player, other than that he did well, get rid of him, free up a ton of bad money, would make room for needed players.....and seriously any 3-4 mil defenseman easily replaces him
I'll be honest. I truly don't think Jeff liked Ken. He likely respected the work he done, but he's not his guy. Now I say this off the short videos on this channel. But I don't think Ken was Jeffs cup of tea. You can just feel it. Good luck Ken - Thanks for the run!
I was wondering that myself. My guess is that probably came to light with firing Woodcroft and hiring Knoblauch. I hated to see Woodcroft go, but results are hard to argue with.
@@ProtagonisTeneT did you listen to the video? Jeff literally says that Ken mentioned he'd want his own guy in. Maybe you've never seen the videos of them together. But you can tell it's awkward and their demeaner is uncomfortable.
You are out to lunch! We were so close to winning the Stanley cup this year and made playoff pushes the past few years! No credit to Holland? Holland has outperformed 95 percent of GMs over the last 5 years
I am super happy Ken’s time is up. A lot of respect for him for what he did especially for the Detroit organization but his time has passed and his GM strategies doesn’t really work in today’s NHL cap market. He made 2 really good moves which were pointed out in Hyman and Ekholm. He also made some solid signings in Janmark, Kane and the Nuge extension at a reasonable cap hit. The rest of his moves didnt really help the team from trading 2 high picks for Athanasiou, to the albatross Nurse extension, Ceci signing for such a long deal, Jack Campbell, etc. I even thought Warren Foegele at 2.75 was an overpayment at the time for a third line winger
So... you knew Holland wasn't returning and decided to wait the entire season before approaching anybody on your GM target list? Which means going into a draft without a GM, and delaying contract talks with one of our best players (not to mention the rest of our UFAs/RFAs) until you finally do find someone? Which means they will immediately have a ton of contract pressure to deal with in a shortened amount of time. JFC. 🤦♂
I have way more faith in Jackson than Holland. Lots of casuals in the chat today who think Jackson will be bad lol. Probably a lot of Holland supporters who really did nothing in his 5 years here other than pull off one Ekky deal. Hyman and Kane were always coming to Edmonton. Other than that he never replaced Nurse-Ceci and it cost us 3 playoffs in a row smh
After the knob signing I have faith this guy brings in an amazing gm he can work well with and is forward thinking. The knob hiring was clearly done with a ton of statistics and research behind it. They knew he was a hell of a coach and would fit the oilers.
I think he was doing a lot of the work behind the scenes. The coaching move was his decision Knoblauch got Halloway and Broberg definitely got better playing time with the move.
Jackson will decide who will be the next GM....after he asks McDavid. If Leon is not re-signed by say November everything will start melting down - no rush tho
Everybody else skips the dishes Pal, but I dont, great job of bringing a Poison Pill called Mumford into the dressing room, a Trojan Horse that derailed everything, Well done indeed. Hope you bring him back again. Moma2 says hi.
Ken Holland is a Money Ball example of the "Halo" effect. In short, his experience and gratificaction was under the Little Caesars empire in Detroit. He was a goalie in the NHL and his first professional mgmt. position was as a Goalie Coach with the Red Wings. Did he make it as a GM for 4 Stanely Cups? Yes, but again, it was a Halo affect for him in Detroit. The hard work was already done by his predecessors. Overall he was a failure for the Oilers and has essentially handcuffed the Oilers from getting a Stanely Cup. Ken, it's time to hang up your goalie skates.
I dunno what it is about this guys, maybe because he's a Lawyer or an ex-agent but he just gives me bad vibes. Hope he doesn't run the ship into the ground.
Why you guys always negative about everything. The dude brought in Knobs they went to game 7 of the finals. There’s nothing negative about that. God I swear you guys just live a depressed life try being positive for once.
@@ryans413 ………I have been following this team since the early eighties…..we have managed to hire a couple of builders but mostly destroyers. Holland is OK in my books, but this guy gives me no confidence……he was a player agent!
Just listening to this guy makes me want to gag. Ex Toronto assistant GM who hasn't done a damn thing since 2010... Has never worked with a winning team. In fact, the only actual experience he has is with the Leafs.... A team that for years, has been and still is worse than the Oilers. OEG could hire someone off the streets of Edmonton that could do a better job and I'll stick to that until he proves himself.. But good luck.
@@slushybelt8663 Relax he is 39 at his age HOW many offers is he going to get on a open market? He IS AS GOOD AS GONE BECAUSE OF His AGE. Not many forwards can still play the game effectively at that age. The market & father time will push him out of play like it does eventually to everyone eventually every year we see players who don't get offers or pto's. Think about players who we didn't see play last year Phil Kessel. Edit. Btw there will be a new GM who will make that call & along with the coaches. smh
It’s not his fault. This was probably planned and organized without so much time in hand. He looks tired so he must have had to work on all of these issues in a very short period of time.
Ken had fans and some non fans……..I think he did as good as expected with the mess that chirelli dumbass left behind. Thanks Ken!
That Ekholm deal was a steal
@@JoeMama-pr8zjand Hyman!
The nurse deal is terrible but it’s often overlooked that he got that much money because he was one of the top 3 defence men in the Covid season. He was signed to a bridge deal before that so that’s why he got so much money.
@@somerandomidiot1333 Every team has a terrible a contract on their roster, Nurse is a top 4 dman on any team so his contract is somewhat manageable. At least while Draisaitl, Mcdavid and Bouch are waiting for their extensions. Its gonna be a problem after that
@@somerandomidiot1333Nurse got paid the market rate when his deal was up, the precedent was set when Seth Jones, Dougie Hamilton & Jacob Trouba all got big money similar amount as he did. They're ALL right hand shots. The elusive unicorns coveted elite position etc Yet can you say Jones or Hamilton are better than Nurse? Trouba is probably the only one available now because there's talk that the Rangers are contemplating a big move. If the Oilers had cap space anyone of those other 3 could be our 1st pairing rhd over Bouchard in a ideal world yet we have to deal with reality. If Larsson's dad hadn't of died here our # 1 rhd or #2 would be solid.
Mattias Ekholm, Zach Hyman, Connor Brown, Mattias Janmark, Warren Foegele, Adam Henrique and Evander Kane, all because of Ken Holland. Thanks Ken.
jack campbell and darnell nurse too!
2/12 ain’t bad
sounds like Adam Henrique may not stay
Hey. Nobody is perfect. @@manavpowar7414
Congratulations McDavid on Winning The Conn Smythe Trophy 🏆!!
Keep Up The Great Work !!
Cheers bro !
🏆🏒😎👍
Twenty minute video here and the media asks the same questions that Jeff already addressed like five times.
If i was incompetent at my job as this media group is at theirs people would die... wheres the standards lmao
God I hope they fire some of these guys. Especially Spec and Matheson. What idiots.
Get ready for the Summer of Ryan Rishaug talking about trading Draisaitl every day. What a bum.
It would be Dry Salads best interest to get the hell out of Alberta, this poverty franchise will never get him the cup
@@volcomsk8ter101 Coming from an LA fan that’s hilarious. Enjoy the basement for the next 8 to 10 years
The next Spector
@@onlygreen2261 absolutely…. IF it happens the very first thing Rishaug will say is “how could you do this!?”
Ryan Rishaug, Mark Spector are both such asshats
I thought Ken did a good job. Pandemic impacted the salary cap in ways no one planned for and lost key pieces to circumstances totally out of his control. Added some brilliant pieces and kept the ship fairly steady through rough waters. Thanks Ken. 👍💙🧡
Well put
Based on the information provided, I would say that Holloway, McLeod and Broberg are all going to remain with the organization - a win - win!
McLeod? Really ?
@@thomasm4388yeah wish they put mcleods money elsewhere
Hope we keep brown too
Ya I agree
@@ardenski3202a good thing is that brown wants to stay
This guy gets it, great hire.
I know Ken wasn't perfect but he was the best we had in decades and had a huge impact of getting us to one goal away from winning the Stanley Cup. Let's instead gamble it all away with "Not even sure who we can hire at this point". Why... solely because my ego can not take winning the cup with someone that I didn't hand pick. That is an absolutely ridiculous and dangerous reason. Because of this poor decision, it's all on Jeff now.... every trade, signing, and performance of this new amazing GM is going to be scrutinized. If we don't at least make it to the finals next year, I will be demanding Jeffs removal in order for them to get my season ticket money. That is how poor and necessary I believe this decision was.
Regression begins
Oilers are going to take a step backwards now. You dont know what you have until it's gone
Nurse was a huge mistake, 9.3 for a 3 mil player, other than that he did well, get rid of him, free up a ton of bad money, would make room for needed players.....and seriously any 3-4 mil defenseman easily replaces him
I'll be honest. I truly don't think Jeff liked Ken. He likely respected the work he done, but he's not his guy. Now I say this off the short videos on this channel. But I don't think Ken was Jeffs cup of tea. You can just feel it.
Good luck Ken - Thanks for the run!
I was wondering that myself. My guess is that probably came to light with firing Woodcroft and hiring Knoblauch. I hated to see Woodcroft go, but results are hard to argue with.
I don't know where you got that from
@@ProtagonisTeneT did you listen to the video? Jeff literally says that Ken mentioned he'd want his own guy in. Maybe you've never seen the videos of them together. But you can tell it's awkward and their demeaner is uncomfortable.
That was pretty clear from his comments when he was hired. He wasn't happy with how the organization was run.
You are out to lunch! We were so close to winning the Stanley cup this year and made playoff pushes the past few years! No credit to Holland? Holland has outperformed 95 percent of GMs over the last 5 years
How do I apply for Ken’s job
All of us Oilers fan thinks we're smarter than Holland. lol 🤓
Start your apprenticeship in childhood then work your way up to the WHL then Detroit. Good luck.
It certainly was a surprise to me!
I am super happy Ken’s time is up. A lot of respect for him for what he did especially for the Detroit organization but his time has passed and his GM strategies doesn’t really work in today’s NHL cap market. He made 2 really good moves which were pointed out in Hyman and Ekholm. He also made some solid signings in Janmark, Kane and the Nuge extension at a reasonable cap hit. The rest of his moves didnt really help the team from trading 2 high picks for Athanasiou, to the albatross Nurse extension, Ceci signing for such a long deal, Jack Campbell, etc. I even thought Warren Foegele at 2.75 was an overpayment at the time for a third line winger
Anyone that says Ken didn’t do a good job, would just simply be wrong
drai is gone
Rishaug, always glass half empty.
So...
you knew Holland wasn't returning and decided to wait the entire season before approaching anybody on your GM target list? Which means going into a draft without a GM, and delaying contract talks with one of our best players (not to mention the rest of our UFAs/RFAs) until you finally do find someone? Which means they will immediately have a ton of contract pressure to deal with in a shortened amount of time.
JFC. 🤦♂
I have way more faith in Jackson than Holland. Lots of casuals in the chat today who think Jackson will be bad lol. Probably a lot of Holland supporters who really did nothing in his 5 years here other than pull off one Ekky deal. Hyman and Kane were always coming to Edmonton. Other than that he never replaced Nurse-Ceci and it cost us 3 playoffs in a row smh
After the knob signing I have faith this guy brings in an amazing gm he can work well with and is forward thinking.
The knob hiring was clearly done with a ton of statistics and research behind it. They knew he was a hell of a coach and would fit the oilers.
I wonder if Doug Weight would be GM material?
Sam gagner
heck yeah! haha
Feel sorry for this guy getting screwed at the end of a successful season.
Do the work
This guy seems very nonchalant about the whole thing.
I think he was doing a lot of the work behind the scenes. The coaching move was his decision Knoblauch got Halloway and Broberg definitely got better playing time with the move.
That's what leaders do - they protray a sense of calm and confidence. They don't blow blood clots and tobacco out of their nose like Tortorella.
Not his fault! Plain and simple in game 7 your big guns didn’t come through!
Wrong, Mumford was all Jacksons idea.
Jackson will decide who will be the next GM....after he asks McDavid. If Leon is not re-signed by say November everything will start melting down - no rush tho
The way Oilers fans turn on Nurse is nasty. How do you think Nurse feels now? Will he bring his best game for people who call him a loser all day?
pro athlete making over $9M. grow up
Toxic fans make for toxic workplace. 🤔
He should be bringing his A game for 9.3MILLION!!!!!!
Everybody else skips the dishes Pal, but I dont, great job of bringing a Poison Pill called Mumford into the dressing room, a Trojan Horse that derailed everything, Well done indeed. Hope you bring him back again. Moma2 says hi.
what about jack Campbell?
No thanks, he might be great but there’s still a bad aroma in the air. lol
Ken Holland is a Money Ball example of the "Halo" effect. In short, his experience and gratificaction was under the Little Caesars empire in Detroit. He was a goalie in the NHL and his first professional mgmt. position was as a Goalie Coach with the Red Wings. Did he make it as a GM for 4 Stanely Cups? Yes, but again, it was a Halo affect for him in Detroit. The hard work was already done by his predecessors. Overall he was a failure for the Oilers and has essentially handcuffed the Oilers from getting a Stanely Cup. Ken, it's time to hang up your goalie skates.
I dunno what it is about this guys, maybe because he's a Lawyer or an ex-agent but he just gives me bad vibes. Hope he doesn't run the ship into the ground.
This guy gives me NO assurance he knows what he is doing…….just saying.
Knoblauch was his guy. That worked out.
he will destroy the oilers watch the demise now players leaving and bums taking over in front office who brought this guy in kates
What i have way more confidence in him than holland
Why you guys always negative about everything. The dude brought in Knobs they went to game 7 of the finals. There’s nothing negative about that. God I swear you guys just live a depressed life try being positive for once.
@@ryans413 ………I have been following this team since the early eighties…..we have managed to hire a couple of builders but mostly destroyers. Holland is OK in my books, but this guy gives me no confidence……he was a player agent!
One name. One man. There is only one to lead the Oilers to the promised land. The man. The visionary. The pioneer. The architect.
Jim Benning
Lol. Thanks Vancouver.😂
Meanwhile in Edmonton. The fake news outlets are not reporting any riots.😜🤫
You don’t need to change the oilers just quit taking a dive the WWF looked more realistic than game 7
Trade McDavid
To your favorite team?😂
Hasnt started negotiations with Leon yet yikes
They can’t talk until July 1st.
@scottcraig2569 I'm sure evey team follows that rule
What the heck, what kind press conference is this, Covid is over?
At the draft lol, relax
Dude, he’s in Vegas at the draft and not all local journalists can afford to go lol
McDavid's Puppet
I can handle McDavid picking his own team
Just listening to this guy makes me want to gag. Ex Toronto assistant GM who hasn't done a damn thing since 2010... Has never worked with a winning team. In fact, the only actual experience he has is with the Leafs.... A team that for years, has been and still is worse than the Oilers. OEG could hire someone off the streets of Edmonton that could do a better job and I'll stick to that until he proves himself.. But good luck.
Didn't really learn anything from this lol
Get rid of perry he's bad luck
And kinda useless no offense to perry
He's 39 isn't he? Relax.
@jonbenjisnomore7935 exactly which is why they need him gone
@@slushybelt8663 Relax he is 39 at his age HOW many offers is he going to get on a open market? He IS AS GOOD AS GONE BECAUSE OF His AGE. Not many forwards can still play the game effectively at that age. The market & father time will push him out of play like it does eventually to everyone eventually every year we see players who don't get offers or pto's. Think about players who we didn't see play last year Phil Kessel. Edit. Btw there will be a new GM who will make that call & along with the coaches. smh
Oilers wont see the finals again for a long long time lmao
What are you basing this on? lol must be a non hockey person.
Oh boo hoo a flames fan who will never see a cup ever again!
this jeff jackson guy seems difficult to work for he will destroy the oilers.ken will be missed he did an unbelievable job fixing cherila mistakes
Based off what? Lol, bringing Jackson in was brilliant in every aspect for the org
@@BradRichardson-nt2zk I guess he is a Connor hire as he was his agent.time will tell where the franchise goes post Holland tenure
This guy is allergic to looking at one spot for more that half a second.
So many tells with body language if you are tuned into what to look for.
It’s not his fault. This was probably planned and organized without so much time in hand. He looks tired so he must have had to work on all of these issues in a very short period of time.