@@Frameboy71tell me, how much money does colorado pay for their top 4 players? Is it 46 million? Nope. It's 37 million. That's 2 forwards and 2 dmen btw.
Whats crazy is if you add in Morgan Rielly since he's their other expensive player is their cap hit is probably 60%or something, I don't have the numbers but would love to know how his contract impacts things. It's not good for the Leafs spending (probably) 60% on 5 players. Madness
@@Halo3clanFSOG yeah I was thinking the same thing, this is why the leaves aren't able to produce as much as other teams because the use all their cap for a few good players.
It is beyond me why this clown hasn't been fired, he is actively holding the team back. If they sign Marner, it is 100% this dipshit that drove that through and I would not be surprised if Brad resigns if he does that.
Was joking with my brother that the Perry Curse is the answer to the Leafs Curse. Won't get a cup, but we'll make it to the final. The only complication is that the only time Perry hasn't made it past the 1st round in the last 5 seasons...has been against the Leafs, and no-one beats the Leafs like the Leafs. Either way - worth a shot😂
Leafs are on the decline. Their day was 2 years ago now. The core is dysfunctional and Tavares is too old. They will not do what needs to be done either.
100%. The team needs a rebuild. It reminds me somewhat of the Detroit Tigers and Red Wings of the early 2010s. Clinging desperately to stars that take up a massive chunk of salary, missing on or trading away prospects, and only barely making the playoffs. A sad slow decline into mediocrity.
Thays why paying them big miney up front qas the worse idea then again its a front dor the league to not have the leafs or any Canadian team win anything ... The fix is on
@@krazyshady902 I don't think you really see what's going on with them. Having that many guys making that much money isn't sustainable and healthy. That's why the decline is happening. You keep two and build around them and create depth. No one on the core is accountable. Edmonton will win before Toronto even has a sniff at a conference final
Goalies are voodoo! Don’t break the bank on one. Develop your own - which, the Leafs have been poor at doing… Woll is actually very talented and could be great…but , he hasn’t shown to stay healthy yet. Fingers crossed.
Right now, Leafs fortunes run through Florida and Boston. You either have to get through their defenses or be able to have one better than theirs. Both are much easier said than done but the former is more plausible right now.
Treliving to Woll: "We want you to be our long-term starter" (guaranteed money? Woll signs immediately). Treliving to Jones: "We want you to be our 3rd string goalie. And just to entice you more, we just signed Woll again, so you're basically going to be our backup for half the year whileWoll is on IR again. Does that sound fair?" (Jones signs immediately)
Tanev. Roy, Montour, Pesce, Carrier, Hakkanpaa...Any one of those guys would be perfect, especially Roy. To get more than one would be even better. The Leafs have a change to improve their blueline quite a bit this year for nothing but cap space. I'd have no issues offering Roy Brodie's deal or even paying a little more. Tanev is awesome, but his age and injuries make that harder to do. Montour will want the moon and likely won't leave Florida. This team needs dmen that can move the puck to the forwards. Year after year they fail to score when it counts.
As a massive London Knights fan and from the area where he is from, do you think Easton Cowan can make the Leafs next year, I think he can but I am extremely biased
The only thing I think people don’t talk about enough… is who is ready to take a step, and what does that do to some contracts. Knies, Robertson, maybe even Cowan… if they are all making low dollars and you can get rid of players like Jarnkrok, Kampf, even Reaves… that offsets some of that “you have less money to surround this core with” argument a bit. I agree it’s hard to run it back with this group for another year… but if this coach can really change these players approach… if we can focus on bringing in defenders, and Woll really is the guy, and Stolarz can back up effectively… I think it’s worth the risk to be able to keep Marner a part of this group when JTs contract comes off the books. Whatever shortfalls we uncover this season under a new head coach, you address in 2025. I know players like Marner can be frustrating in the playoffs, but a new voice may be all he needs. I would hate to lose him and regret it like we do with Hyman. Players like Marner don’t come around very often.
Leafs lost Hyman because they spent all the $$ on Marner. (yes and Matthews and Tavares as well) No they aren't going to win a hockey trade involving Marner. But to pay a guy $11 mil now AND then extend him when he doesn't produce in playoffs ?? Elite level salary requires results - and they haven't been there for a few yrs. And yes he will do well somewhere else. But the goal is a cup, and this group has had its chance. its about the cap space
@@bertczombos7259We all know that Marner doesn't produce in the playoffs despite the fact he has more points per game played in the playoffs in his career than any other leaf, including the other "core four". Weird. Oh, he's also got the best +/- among all their forwards.
Watch it be how it always is , okay guys were keeping the exact same team as the last 8 season with the core 5 , and we will add in 3 more bottom six guys and we will be golden :) lol
@@scottmiller8617 oh ye and people will be dumb enough to expect a different outcome , like marner and the core 5 here will finally find there balls and play playoff style hockey and actually give af lol
3 good defencemen also. They need to restructure the whole team if they want to succeed. Best course might just be to wait out Marner and tank next year. Or then retain on Marner and trade him to a contender and start building the backend this year and with Tavares of the books next year go all in.
Decided to make my own roster for fun. Contracts are based on research so might not be completely accurate: FORWARDS: Lost: Bertuzzi Resigned: Max Domi (4 x 3.3M), Nicholas Robertson (2 x 1.1M), Connor Dewar (2 x 1M) New: N/A DEFENCE: Lost: Edmundson, Lyubushkin, Giordano Resigned: Liljegren (2 x 2.2M) New: Matt Roy (5 x 5.6M), Sean Walker (4 x 4.6M) GOALIES: Lost: Samsonov, Jones Resigned: N/A New: Stolarz (2 x 1.9M)
I think Bert would like to come back at probably the same cap hit but longer term this time like maybe 4yrs. Domi would come back at $4-4.5mil for around 4yrs as well. U can’t expect ppl to take random heavy discounts and also expect them to sign these short term deals…
The cap is indeed going up. But you can't save ownership from improperly spending the money. It's not a lie. It's fund mismanagement. My heart goes out to you & leaf nation.
I agree. What the team does next is fully dependent on what happens with Mitch in the next 2 weeks, because that will dictate how much cap we have to work with. I think that’s why the only real move they’ve made so far is resign Joe Woll which has zero implications in this seasons cap situation. Once they have figured out if Marner is moving or not, that’s when we will see major moves happening.
Steve we are so screwed man. The FA crop stinks. I'm finding it harder and harder to imagine a Marner trade will happen and shake up this core. I feel like it's going to be another year of running it back to my seasonal playoff depression.
@@Krokodilius Yeah because players aren’t good acquisitions unless they win the cup and stay perfectly healthy after 31 Ekholm is a bum, even more so if he gets hurt and falls off as a result
I think if not Montour the leafs should go after Alex carrier or Sean Walker. Walker gets shots through very well and plays a sound defensive game. Carrier is a really good defensive player, not a ton of points but I think he’d play very well with rielly.
Tavares contract is buyout proof lol. It's why it's structured the way it is. Theoretically if JT made the same salary as his average cap hit it would cost the leafs 2/3 of his contract, over double the length remaining. 2/3 of the 11 mil left is about 7.5 or 8 mil. That 8 mil would get paid out over double what's left so 4 mil per season would be the cap hit IF his actual salary was the same as his AAV. What screws things up is what he is making in actual salary this year is only like 8 million not 11. 910 k base salary 7 million signing bonus. Whenever a player makes less than what his AAV is the cap hit to buy him out goes up. Basically if JT was bought out it would cost like 10.4 million this year and 300 k next season when he wouldn't even be on contract anymore. The leafs would only open up about 700 k if he was bought out and get penalized the season after. It does work the opposite for a player making more than his AAV cap. TJ Brodie's last season his actual salary was 7.5 million and his AAV was 5 mil... If Brodie was bought out last year he would have cost 0 as a cap hit.... Although this year there would have been a penalty
Not saying they should do this, but what would the core 4 cap % look like like in 2 years if Marner signs for 11.5M and JT signs for like 5M, and let’s say cap goes up another 4.5M?
You should have combined those two charts with the numbers side by side with the percentages for each player. It would be way easier for everyone to follow along.
Four players taking up 53% of a team’s salary cap is nuts. Most NHL teams have 22 or 23 rostered players. This means Toronto needs to roster 18 players using just 47% of their cap. That’s (on average) 2.6% of the cap for each of 18 players for the 2024-25 season. That’s $2.3M per player, for 18 players. Every dollar over $2.3M on any of those 18 players also has to be NOT spent above $2.3M for another of those 18 players.
What about are old Pal Jack Campbel I would think that the Oilers would like to move him and might retain a lot. He played well for the Leaf's and he is good in backup situations.
Need to draft a #1 defenceman still. Unlikely until 2027. And Tavares made a ton of money in TO so far, so he may take #2 mil for 2 years. Colorado had their Matthews/Marner/Nylander forwards in MacKinnon/Landeskog/Rantanen yet still went out and drafted Makar and Byram, so.....
Do a vid on what the team would look like if we didn’t make all the stupid trades that screwed us. Just do the brutal ones. Would be interesting what our team would look like with Seguin, Kadri, marchment, Moore) etc but would be even more interesting to know which players and subsequent moves would have never happened if you cancelled the trade in the first place.
I'd rather see Montour and especially Roy over Tanev becauce of their ages. but Montour could only be fit in if Leafs manage to trade marner with return that doesn't bring much of salary and are either young players or/and high draft picks.
Leafs don’t play worth crap last season. Sure they might ralleye in the final minutes to win, but overall team play was miserable and tough to watch. Can Berube change this? I surely hope so, I always felt Keefe was the weak link with this group, guess we will find out this season. I foresee Marner returning, but possibly moving Tavares if they can persuade him to play elsewhere…
After being a leafs fan since 1998, fk the leafs and the organization, its a popularity contest at this point, the owners are simply about making money and its never going to change, the leafs will never win the cup. Im done.
@@TheBalls2thewallsAll the leafs have to do is suck for a decade and then be the Habs. Carey Price was the only reason they won any games during their finals run during a weird covid season. Other than that when was the last time they had a decent team?
I am less mad about running it back then the potential of shitty contracts being signed that cannot be undone after Shanahan gets fired for doing them.
Talbot I feel like would be an underrated choice here? Matt Roy and Hakanpaa as UFA RHD options. Don't know about depth but I like the idea of getting a Perron and Joshua on the team. Barring a Marner deal, I would really like to see Toronto land a Elias Lindholm to replace Marner's Special teams prowess and depending if Toronto brings back Domi and Bert, Maybe Toffoli can come over as well. Also Adam Henrique would be a sneaky good 3C option
The core 4 have to be able to see the writing on the wall. If they want to win, it's unfortunately not going to be all together with the leafs. If Marner is asked to waive his no-trade, and if he has any competitive bone in his body, he should be willing to consider other teams. I know it will suck to leave your hometown but right now it's the best thing for everybody.
Oilers fan here, I was a leaf fan also my second Canadian team, but when they got tavares and the entire summer of hearing marner B-tchin about leaving over seas, I have so much disrespect for the leafs…. When they get rid of marners and tavares I’ll think about being a fan of the leafs (second team)
Wouldn't it be great to live in an ideal world where the core four acknowledge their playoff failures, took a voluntary pay cut - I mean, they've all said that they want to win a Stanley Cup - and allow the administration an actual chance at building a hockey team around them without having to beg and scrape for money? I know that these guys have a limited window to make millions of dollars, but it would be remarkable to see them really follow through for the fans and their dream of winning a cup.
DeBrusk is the definition of integrity. He's not gonna sign for a backstabber franchise, with media/fans trashing his value the second he makes one mistake. He's got self esteem. He'll love to keep destroying the Leafs. And all of this "we don't wanna lowball player-xy, but can we please lowball him, cause we're too stupid to manage our cap" all of that crap can go to die. If this franchise ever wants to be relevant ever again, they're gonna cut this BS hating and lowballing culture entirely. PR communication: talk to CJ and JDB only (they seem to have integrity, knowledge and don't hate on players), cut off all other T.O. media people and start working like a serious franchise.
I think that the real issue with the core is just that in total they are overpaid. They are all sitting within 12 most highest paid players in the league. Are they all top 12 best players within the league, don't think so. Compare that to four players like Barkov, Rantanen, Makar and Draisaitl, who would all be cheaper than any member of core 4. Leafs really needed more cap friendly deals.
I’m curious if this changes your opinion on the Tavares deal. Was it a mistake at the time, or did it only become a mistake with COVID? I’m personally on the “mistake at the time” wagon, but I’m curious on your opinion.
It really wasn't a mistake, it just so happened that the flat cap because of covid made it harder to fit others around. Tavares has brought what he was paid for, produced as he should and add maturity and professionalism to a team that REALLY needed it with a team full of immature/young players. The price paid at the time was what was required to get a player of his ability and character as a free agent. ALL long term free agent contracts for players in their prime are going to look like they're overpriced in the last couple of years, that's the nature of the beast, but if the cap was now around 110 million (as it probably would have been if covid didn't rear it's ugly head) then 11 million would not seem nearly as bad.
Demko for Nylander you get the goalie you need and free up 6 ish million towards a dman you need we get a winger for petterson AND FREE UP CAP SPACE ( by not signing Gunntzal and keeping Demko) which frees up cap space to sign big z and possibly add Toffolie
Steve all good points but the top eastern conference teams all have the same issues, will Boston, Tampa, Carolina, Rangers improve and how will they? Teams are in the same boat as the Leafs with the cap, Future value I can see in Marner, I don’t see the value in Tavares. Why is the public out cry not focused on him?
Contrary what you think and other's. the Core Four stays and should stay !!! Johnny comes of the book after this season, We will be ok until that happens, Anyone who wants break up this core Four are fucking crazy !! We sign and extend Marner, he's a Leafer for life !! What fuck it's 1 more season until Taveres comes off !!!
The leafs need big steps from Robertson and Liljegren (if they keep him) Knies is a good player but need him to be more active offensively. Also need a goalie obviously but shouldn’t overpay for a saros at this point. Could be one of the teams kicking tires on Gibson although probably not too hard due to cap hit. Should be seriously pitching a pesce, skjei or montour in free agency but again that’s a big cap hit to take on with the core 4 making so much.
No idea how the Kings didn't trade Roy at the deadline. That was a first round pick, and they weren't going anywhere. Not sure if the Maple Leafs get him, but he will be great there.
really fallacious to assume that keeping the entire crew together for a year is a waste but getting rid of marner isn't. You don't just replace marner with a snap of a finger
Assuming Mariner is Traded for let's say the golden knights rumored deal of Theodore and Thompson. I'm looking at free agency and another trade for the right side. EitherTanev or Roy as your mid to bottom pairing dman. And if possible trade for Parayko to play with Reilly. As they once played together during the last world cup. He's big mobile and can play nasty when needs to plus he's a Berube guy. So you have a Left side of Theodore, Reilly and McCabe and on the Right you have Parayko Tanev and Either Liligren or Neimela. A good mix of size, Skill, and Some bite on the Back end. With a solid goaltending tandem of Woll and Thompson. With the Mariner trade it allows you to bring in a potential No1 dman but free up cap for a UFA signing. And by trading for Parayko, you use the cap freed up from Brodie to be fully absorbed in the deal and cap space to address the forward group. Either by resigning domi and /or Bertuzzi. And maybe have a bit left to take a run at Chandler Stephenson as either a second or third line center option. That's my wishful thinking list lol R.I.P. Sergei Berezin
it's not just a core four problem, if you look at the top 5 cap hits on the leafs roster, that's 62% of the cap. boston is 44% for next season, florida is 48.6% (florida's doesn't include reinhart and instead forsling, but even if let's say they re-sign reinhart and he takes up 10% of the cap it'd still be only around 52% for their top 5. as a bruins fan aswell, willy is a good player. but he's taking up 13.1% of the cap, pastrnak takes up 12.8, and he is the second highest on your team.
At this point they are running it into the ground not running it back
They're running it back into the ground. 🤣
Only if you think they are any worse off than almost every other team with stars.
@@Frameboy71well they are worse off, no other team has close to 4 players making %53 of the cap.
@@Frameboy71tell me, how much money does colorado pay for their top 4 players? Is it 46 million? Nope. It's 37 million. That's 2 forwards and 2 dmen btw.
well said
Give the core 5 all 88 million dollars then hire volunteers from Toronto beer leagues to play as interns. 😂
And Dave Ayres
@@jchristner82 And he works for MSE, too!
I’m pretty good at D I can help for free beer
or we could use our prospects instead of giving them away to be stars on other teams.
@@neonwired4978gotta give to keep up this salary structure lol
53% for 4 guys tell you a lot about this team
Whats crazy is if you add in Morgan Rielly since he's their other expensive player is their cap hit is probably 60%or something, I don't have the numbers but would love to know how his contract impacts things. It's not good for the Leafs spending (probably) 60% on 5 players. Madness
@@Halo3clanFSOG yeah I was thinking the same thing, this is why the leaves aren't able to produce as much as other teams because the use all their cap for a few good players.
Good job dumbass Kyle Dubas.
@@Rick-C-117and Shanny
It's over
Offence gets all the glory, but Defence wins the game. 🏆
You say this right after the Panthers won the cup
@@nonoman305 Are you saying he's wrong?
I’m a leafs fan. I don’t know if I’m ever right? 🤪
@@robrick9361 I'm saying there is many ways to win
@@nonoman305that literally proves his point Offensively the panthers are outgunned by the Oilers but they only allowed 1 goal
Shanahan is the problem at this point
This.
8 years on
It is beyond me why this clown hasn't been fired, he is actively holding the team back. If they sign Marner, it is 100% this dipshit that drove that through and I would not be surprised if Brad resigns if he does that.
I agree 100%. He should have been gone loooooooong ago
No way lol
Perry. Get Perry then scratch him in the finals.
I’m a Bruins fan 😈
They won’t win a Cup, but they will get to the final
Was joking with my brother that the Perry Curse is the answer to the Leafs Curse. Won't get a cup, but we'll make it to the final.
The only complication is that the only time Perry hasn't made it past the 1st round in the last 5 seasons...has been against the Leafs, and no-one beats the Leafs like the Leafs. Either way - worth a shot😂
@@teeganreed7989 They’ll probably go up 2-0 against whatever team Nic Robertson goes to and lose the series in 7 with him scoring the game winner
@@contratoronto5868 You can’t lose to the Leafs if you join them… actually you can 😂
@@teeganreed7989 this man wants to curse us more than we already are
Leafs are on the decline. Their day was 2 years ago now. The core is dysfunctional and Tavares is too old. They will not do what needs to be done either.
100%. The team needs a rebuild. It reminds me somewhat of the Detroit Tigers and Red Wings of the early 2010s. Clinging desperately to stars that take up a massive chunk of salary, missing on or trading away prospects, and only barely making the playoffs. A sad slow decline into mediocrity.
Thays why paying them big miney up front qas the worse idea then again its a front dor the league to not have the leafs or any Canadian team win anything ... The fix is on
@@davemago8880 There's no "fix:" it's all down to bad management and bad ownership
They aren't on the decline at all lol. Their best players are in their prime. It's just a matter of freeing up some cap space and building around them
@@krazyshady902 I don't think you really see what's going on with them. Having that many guys making that much money isn't sustainable and healthy. That's why the decline is happening. You keep two and build around them and create depth. No one on the core is accountable. Edmonton will win before Toronto even has a sniff at a conference final
IMO domi is a need to come back Bertuzzi is a bit of a less need but still would be nice
Domi at a reasonable price....
The Leaf players put themselves above the team. No team is going to win with this culture
Is that because of the players or because of coaching? All a player can do is play how the coach is telling them to play.
@@OlDirtyBaronI think what he was saying is they did not take a discount to stay. Other teams star players seem to accept less to stay together
The leafs always have the same problem. Need defense and need a goaltender. You would think they would figure it out by now
They have. The Dubas theory of we can outscore our 20+ deficiencies was let go, and Marner has a NMC. Its like sitting in the waiting room
Goalies are voodoo! Don’t break the bank on one. Develop your own - which, the Leafs have been poor at doing… Woll is actually very talented and could be great…but , he hasn’t shown to stay healthy yet. Fingers crossed.
@@RB-oc7ti bold claim when Florida just won the cup with a 10M goaltender
many compliments to u steve love the leafs coverage, keep em coming and we will all keep watching
Matt Roy should be the RD that the Leafs target.
I'd buy that jersey
Right now, Leafs fortunes run through Florida and Boston. You either have to get through their defenses or be able to have one better than theirs. Both are much easier said than done but the former is more plausible right now.
Treliving to Woll: "We want you to be our long-term starter" (guaranteed money? Woll signs immediately). Treliving to Jones: "We want you to be our 3rd string goalie. And just to entice you more, we just signed Woll again, so you're basically going to be our backup for half the year whileWoll is on IR again. Does that sound fair?" (Jones signs immediately)
Tanev. Roy, Montour, Pesce, Carrier, Hakkanpaa...Any one of those guys would be perfect, especially Roy. To get more than one would be even better. The Leafs have a change to improve their blueline quite a bit this year for nothing but cap space. I'd have no issues offering Roy Brodie's deal or even paying a little more. Tanev is awesome, but his age and injuries make that harder to do. Montour will want the moon and likely won't leave Florida. This team needs dmen that can move the puck to the forwards. Year after year they fail to score when it counts.
Jake Muzzin was really good before the injuries and shot right Steve!!
Excellent rundown of the possibilities! Should be a fun Summer.
At least get a player that will put Marchand through the glass.
Getting Marchand for the Leafs is a good idea; some grit, now that these buffoons got rid of Kadri
@@melvynobrien6193 I might even sign a deal with the devil for a cup. 😈
@melvynobrien6193 I hate him but fuck it ❤😂
As a massive London Knights fan and from the area where he is from, do you think Easton Cowan can make the Leafs next year, I think he can but I am extremely biased
Similiar path as Marner. Too good for OHL and can't go to AHL...Let him play the minimum 9 or 10 games and go from there
Minten too!
Great job Steve, should do an episode on if they rolled it back, to demonstrate your point
The logic in this video is so accurate!!! How come their management doesnt get it???
The only thing I think people don’t talk about enough… is who is ready to take a step, and what does that do to some contracts. Knies, Robertson, maybe even Cowan… if they are all making low dollars and you can get rid of players like Jarnkrok, Kampf, even Reaves… that offsets some of that “you have less money to surround this core with” argument a bit. I agree it’s hard to run it back with this group for another year… but if this coach can really change these players approach… if we can focus on bringing in defenders, and Woll really is the guy, and Stolarz can back up effectively… I think it’s worth the risk to be able to keep Marner a part of this group when JTs contract comes off the books. Whatever shortfalls we uncover this season under a new head coach, you address in 2025. I know players like Marner can be frustrating in the playoffs, but a new voice may be all he needs. I would hate to lose him and regret it like we do with Hyman. Players like Marner don’t come around very often.
I thought keefe was the new voice for Marner
I like what you’re saying, but you need guys like Kampf. Wasn’t he our go to face off guy. And PK specialist. Scored a couple of timely goals.
Leafs lost Hyman because they spent all the $$ on Marner. (yes and Matthews and Tavares as well) No they aren't going to win a hockey trade involving Marner. But to pay a guy $11 mil now AND then extend him when he doesn't produce in playoffs ?? Elite level salary requires results - and they haven't been there for a few yrs. And yes he will do well somewhere else. But the goal is a cup, and this group has had its chance. its about the cap space
@@bertczombos7259 there window closed either after they choked vs Montreal or Florida they can still salvage it if they ever grew a pair
@@bertczombos7259We all know that Marner doesn't produce in the playoffs despite the fact he has more points per game played in the playoffs in his career than any other leaf, including the other "core four". Weird. Oh, he's also got the best +/- among all their forwards.
This offseason is gonna be intense
Watch it be how it always is , okay guys were keeping the exact same team as the last 8 season with the core 5 , and we will add in 3 more bottom six guys and we will be golden :) lol
They will spin it as " we didn't like the offers for Marner, so we decided to resign him at 13 million".
@@scottmiller8617 oh ye and people will be dumb enough to expect a different outcome , like marner and the core 5 here will finally find there balls and play playoff style hockey and actually give af lol
It won't be for Toronto, they will just stay the same
I hope they sign Ilya Lyubushkin it would be great to keep him ❤
The leafs need a starting goalie
The Leafs need a whole new team!
Take brosouit he is a great goalie, jets had the best tandem of goalkeepers this season, he could be a starter on alot of teams...including Toronto
3 good defencemen also. They need to restructure the whole team if they want to succeed. Best course might just be to wait out Marner and tank next year. Or then retain on Marner and trade him to a contender and start building the backend this year and with Tavares of the books next year go all in.
Decided to make my own roster for fun. Contracts are based on research so might not be completely accurate:
FORWARDS:
Lost: Bertuzzi
Resigned: Max Domi (4 x 3.3M), Nicholas Robertson (2 x 1.1M), Connor Dewar (2 x 1M)
New: N/A
DEFENCE:
Lost: Edmundson, Lyubushkin, Giordano
Resigned: Liljegren (2 x 2.2M)
New: Matt Roy (5 x 5.6M), Sean Walker (4 x 4.6M)
GOALIES:
Lost: Samsonov, Jones
Resigned: N/A
New: Stolarz (2 x 1.9M)
Lets stop calling them the core four and start calling them what they really are, THE HEARTLESS FOUR!!!
For example run it back with all of them, and then what options are available to fill the lineup, that would demonstrate your point
Really like Matt Roy. He gets a 5x5
Hakanpaa is 6’5 not 6’7
I think Bert would like to come back at probably the same cap hit but longer term this time like maybe 4yrs. Domi would come back at $4-4.5mil for around 4yrs as well. U can’t expect ppl to take random heavy discounts and also expect them to sign these short term deals…
You can talk about the core 4 but I think the coaching staff make a big difference.
they’ve had multiple coaches under these 4
100% gotta sign Corey Perry, making the finals is better than losing in 7 in the first round
No way, Jose
Marshall Rifai is LH/LD Steve
2 many numbers... Holy shit,.. lots to think about..
What's happening to CapFriendly?
They were bought by the Washington Capitals
Gone. Purchased by Washington Capitals for their exclusive use.
@@johnsummerhill8323 Oh that was an actual thing!? I thought that was just a joke about the PLD trade! LMAO!
What about Sean Durzi I mean they select him in the draft?
The cap is indeed going up. But you can't save ownership from improperly spending the money. It's not a lie. It's fund mismanagement.
My heart goes out to you & leaf nation.
BAD MANAGEMENT AND BAD OWNERSHIP have hampered the Leafs for decades.
I agree. What the team does next is fully dependent on what happens with Mitch in the next 2 weeks, because that will dictate how much cap we have to work with. I think that’s why the only real move they’ve made so far is resign Joe Woll which has zero implications in this seasons cap situation. Once they have figured out if Marner is moving or not, that’s when we will see major moves happening.
Sad News Sergei Berezin passed away at only 52 years old. RIP.
Steve we are so screwed man. The FA crop stinks. I'm finding it harder and harder to imagine a Marner trade will happen and shake up this core.
I feel like it's going to be another year of running it back to my seasonal playoff depression.
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signing tanev seems like it'd work out about as well as muzzin.
Atleast they don't need to empty the cupboards and trade away a 1st to get him.
Muzzin was great here
ya...they won so many titles with him before he was hurt every season.
@@Krokodilius Yeah because players aren’t good acquisitions unless they win the cup and stay perfectly healthy after 31
Ekholm is a bum, even more so if he gets hurt and falls off as a result
I hate when everyone says but the cap is going up cause every other team also now has cap space to work with and doesnt help
I think if not Montour the leafs should go after Alex carrier or Sean Walker. Walker gets shots through very well and plays a sound defensive game. Carrier is a really good defensive player, not a ton of points but I think he’d play very well with rielly.
Why is cap friendly going away?
What would buying Tavares out cost to leafs?
Tavares contract is buyout proof lol. It's why it's structured the way it is.
Theoretically if JT made the same salary as his average cap hit it would cost the leafs 2/3 of his contract, over double the length remaining. 2/3 of the 11 mil left is about 7.5 or 8 mil. That 8 mil would get paid out over double what's left so 4 mil per season would be the cap hit IF his actual salary was the same as his AAV.
What screws things up is what he is making in actual salary this year is only like 8 million not 11. 910 k base salary 7 million signing bonus. Whenever a player makes less than what his AAV is the cap hit to buy him out goes up.
Basically if JT was bought out it would cost like 10.4 million this year and 300 k next season when he wouldn't even be on contract anymore. The leafs would only open up about 700 k if he was bought out and get penalized the season after.
It does work the opposite for a player making more than his AAV cap. TJ Brodie's last season his actual salary was 7.5 million and his AAV was 5 mil... If Brodie was bought out last year he would have cost 0 as a cap hit.... Although this year there would have been a penalty
Not saying they should do this, but what would the core 4 cap % look like like in 2 years if Marner signs for 11.5M and JT signs for like 5M, and let’s say cap goes up another 4.5M?
Bro as a lifelong Panthers fan it's so nuts being mentioned so much crazy shit hahaha hang in there get some depth alot of talent in Toronto
Domi at 4×3.5 would be great.
nobody is signing domi oh except the leafs will overpay for failure
You should have combined those two charts with the numbers side by side with the percentages for each player. It would be way easier for everyone to follow along.
What did you play in hockey again ?
Four players taking up 53% of a team’s salary cap is nuts. Most NHL teams have 22 or 23 rostered players. This means Toronto needs to roster 18 players using just 47% of their cap. That’s (on average) 2.6% of the cap for each of 18 players for the 2024-25 season. That’s $2.3M per player, for 18 players. Every dollar over $2.3M on any of those 18 players also has to be NOT spent above $2.3M for another of those 18 players.
Justin Holl is the only rookie defenceman in League history to score in their debut game and then the following game.
The other risk - how many players do we lose to the new professional 3 on 3 league ?
Apparently their salary cap is pretty BIG.
What about are old Pal Jack Campbel I would think that the Oilers would like to move him and might retain a lot. He played well for the Leaf's and he is good in backup situations.
Agreed, now that the Oilers are buying him out, Leafs should try to bring him back at league min.
Need to draft a #1 defenceman still. Unlikely until 2027. And Tavares made a ton of money in TO so far, so he may take #2 mil for 2 years. Colorado had their Matthews/Marner/Nylander forwards in MacKinnon/Landeskog/Rantanen yet still went out and drafted Makar and Byram, so.....
Do a vid on what the team would look like if we didn’t make all the stupid trades that screwed us. Just do the brutal ones. Would be interesting what our team would look like with Seguin, Kadri, marchment, Moore) etc but would be even more interesting to know which players and subsequent moves would have never happened if you cancelled the trade in the first place.
I'd rather see Montour and especially Roy over Tanev becauce of their ages. but Montour could only be fit in if Leafs manage to trade marner with return that doesn't bring much of salary and are either young players or/and high draft picks.
Could the Leafs buy out Marner or Tavares?
they save something like 606,666 if they buy out tavaras - his cap hit still over 10m
Leafs don’t play worth crap last season. Sure they might ralleye in the final minutes to win, but overall team play was miserable and tough to watch. Can Berube change this? I surely hope so, I always felt Keefe was the weak link with this group, guess we will find out this season. I foresee Marner returning, but possibly moving Tavares if they can persuade him to play elsewhere…
Lol. Appreciate the effort for this video, but in the end it doesn’t matter. These guys will never amount to much.
After being a leafs fan since 1998, fk the leafs and the organization, its a popularity contest at this point, the owners are simply about making money and its never going to change, the leafs will never win the cup. Im done.
Join the habs, our future is getting bright while darkness looms over the Leafs 😊
@@TheBalls2thewallsAll the leafs have to do is suck for a decade and then be the Habs. Carey Price was the only reason they won any games during their finals run during a weird covid season. Other than that when was the last time they had a decent team?
I am less mad about running it back then the potential of shitty contracts being signed that cannot be undone after Shanahan gets fired for doing them.
I don't see why you would have Tavares walk. He would probably sign for cheap on his next deal.
You can have a core 4, but it should be a goalie and 1 or 2 centers, and a Dman, if not two centers, then 2 dmen.
Talbot I feel like would be an underrated choice here? Matt Roy and Hakanpaa as UFA RHD options. Don't know about depth but I like the idea of getting a Perron and Joshua on the team. Barring a Marner deal, I would really like to see Toronto land a Elias Lindholm to replace Marner's Special teams prowess and depending if Toronto brings back Domi and Bert, Maybe Toffoli can come over as well. Also Adam Henrique would be a sneaky good 3C option
The core 4 have to be able to see the writing on the wall. If they want to win, it's unfortunately not going to be all together with the leafs. If Marner is asked to waive his no-trade, and if he has any competitive bone in his body, he should be willing to consider other teams. I know it will suck to leave your hometown but right now it's the best thing for everybody.
The MATH IS ACCURATE!!! 😢😢😢 THIS BLOWS MY MIND! MORE $$$ and less to use on other/new players!
The only analysis I am interested in watching...
Don’t need a back up goalie, get sarros
The leafs need to get bigger and meaner
If I recall correctly, the reason why they lost on the 1st round last year is because they could not score goals.
@@emiljeong5421 yeah. what are playoff goals? Where do they come from and who scores them? Come on think.
Tanev, Talbot, Perron, Lubushkin. No Bert. Maybe Max.
Oilers fan here, I was a leaf fan also my second Canadian team, but when they got tavares and the entire summer of hearing marner B-tchin about leaving over seas, I have so much disrespect for the leafs…. When they get rid of marners and tavares I’ll think about being a fan of the leafs (second team)
Wouldn't it be great to live in an ideal world where the core four acknowledge their playoff failures, took a voluntary pay cut - I mean, they've all said that they want to win a Stanley Cup - and allow the administration an actual chance at building a hockey team around them without having to beg and scrape for money? I know that these guys have a limited window to make millions of dollars, but it would be remarkable to see them really follow through for the fans and their dream of winning a cup.
I wish we had a Steve Dangle Buffalo Sabres edition
Steve, if you're going to run us through a bunch of numbers, it would be smart to have Producer Drew put them on the screen as you say them. 🙂
DeBrusk is the definition of integrity. He's not gonna sign for a backstabber franchise, with media/fans trashing his value the second he makes one mistake. He's got self esteem. He'll love to keep destroying the Leafs.
And all of this
"we don't wanna lowball player-xy, but can we please lowball him, cause we're too stupid to manage our cap"
all of that crap can go to die.
If this franchise ever wants to be relevant ever again, they're gonna cut this BS hating and lowballing culture entirely.
PR communication: talk to CJ and JDB only (they seem to have integrity, knowledge and don't hate on players), cut off all other T.O. media people and start working like a serious franchise.
"Relevant " ? That's hilarious.
So many good players to fix leafs but would have to trade 1 or 2 of top 4 contracts. Is gm capable of doing all this probably not
cam talbot with the leafs would be a really good option imo, as long as marner is out im happy😭
Can the Leafs buy out JT and buy cap space?
No.
Brossoit has said he won’t accept any offer that isn’t a starting position, the leafs won’t give him that.
I think that the real issue with the core is just that in total they are overpaid. They are all sitting within 12 most highest paid players in the league. Are they all top 12 best players within the league, don't think so. Compare that to four players like Barkov, Rantanen, Makar and Draisaitl, who would all be cheaper than any member of core 4. Leafs really needed more cap friendly deals.
The curse of DUBAS remains to haunt the team; too much money for four players.
It hurts less if we just close our eyes and don't analyze anything, just let it happen.
Nothing will happen
@melvynobrien6193 let it happen means whatever happens and that includes nothing so thanks for clearing that up.
I hope the Leafs go after any of these five dman...
🥇Montour
🥈Pesce
🥉Tanev
4️⃣ Zadorov
5️⃣ Pareyko
In Net..
🥇🥅Saros
🥈🥅Stolarz
🥉🥅Brossoit
I’m curious if this changes your opinion on the Tavares deal. Was it a mistake at the time, or did it only become a mistake with COVID? I’m personally on the “mistake at the time” wagon, but I’m curious on your opinion.
It really wasn't a mistake, it just so happened that the flat cap because of covid made it harder to fit others around. Tavares has brought what he was paid for, produced as he should and add maturity and professionalism to a team that REALLY needed it with a team full of immature/young players. The price paid at the time was what was required to get a player of his ability and character as a free agent. ALL long term free agent contracts for players in their prime are going to look like they're overpriced in the last couple of years, that's the nature of the beast, but if the cap was now around 110 million (as it probably would have been if covid didn't rear it's ugly head) then 11 million would not seem nearly as bad.
Demko for Nylander you get the goalie you need and free up 6 ish million towards a dman you need we get a winger for petterson AND FREE UP CAP SPACE ( by not signing Gunntzal and keeping Demko) which frees up cap space to sign big z and possibly add Toffolie
Steve all good points but the top eastern conference teams all have the same issues, will Boston, Tampa, Carolina, Rangers improve and how will they? Teams are in the same boat as the Leafs with the cap, Future value I can see in Marner, I don’t see the value in Tavares. Why is the public out cry not focused on him?
is there any chance the leafs could just buy or trade JT and their first for some much needed relief?
Contrary what you think and other's. the Core Four stays and should stay !!! Johnny comes of the book after this season, We will be ok until that happens, Anyone who wants break up this core Four are fucking crazy !! We sign and extend Marner, he's a Leafer for life !! What fuck it's 1 more season until Taveres comes off !!!
It's a much bigger problem than waiting JT out!
@@jaykay1516 No so wrong, we wait 10 mil cap space then we get our D !!!
@@Whiskey0461 Yes so wrong, 22 mil cap dump is the start point
"If they donthis again, they ain't gonna be very good."
Lol That is simply incorrect. Lots of things can happen
The leafs need big steps from Robertson and Liljegren (if they keep him) Knies is a good player but need him to be more active offensively. Also need a goalie obviously but shouldn’t overpay for a saros at this point. Could be one of the teams kicking tires on Gibson although probably not too hard due to cap hit. Should be seriously pitching a pesce, skjei or montour in free agency but again that’s a big cap hit to take on with the core 4 making so much.
No idea how the Kings didn't trade Roy at the deadline. That was a first round pick, and they weren't going anywhere. Not sure if the Maple Leafs get him, but he will be great there.
The salary cap and management overpaying has screwed this team
really fallacious to assume that keeping the entire crew together for a year is a waste but getting rid of marner isn't. You don't just replace marner with a snap of a finger
53.01% of the cap going to the "core 4". This is precisely why Marner must be traded.
Assuming Mariner is Traded for let's say the golden knights rumored deal of Theodore and Thompson. I'm looking at free agency and another trade for the right side. EitherTanev or Roy as your mid to bottom pairing dman. And if possible trade for Parayko to play with Reilly. As they once played together during the last world cup. He's big mobile and can play nasty when needs to plus he's a Berube guy. So you have a Left side of Theodore, Reilly and McCabe and on the Right you have Parayko Tanev and Either Liligren or Neimela. A good mix of size, Skill, and Some bite on the Back end. With a solid goaltending tandem of Woll and Thompson. With the Mariner trade it allows you to bring in a potential No1 dman but free up cap for a UFA signing. And by trading for Parayko, you use the cap freed up from Brodie to be fully absorbed in the deal and cap space to address the forward group. Either by resigning domi and /or Bertuzzi. And maybe have a bit left to take a run at Chandler Stephenson as either a second or third line center option. That's my wishful thinking list lol
R.I.P. Sergei Berezin
Marner will not be traded unless he agrees to the team and is paid a bonus for moving his no movement clause
No player would agree.
Looks like domi Bertuzzi may go to free agency
it's not just a core four problem, if you look at the top 5 cap hits on the leafs roster, that's 62% of the cap. boston is 44% for next season, florida is 48.6% (florida's doesn't include reinhart and instead forsling, but even if let's say they re-sign reinhart and he takes up 10% of the cap it'd still be only around 52% for their top 5.
as a bruins fan aswell, willy is a good player. but he's taking up 13.1% of the cap, pastrnak takes up 12.8, and he is the second highest on your team.
Does any other team in the NHL have so much money going to just 4 players?