Ghost Rapes of Bolivia (Part 2/2)
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
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For a while, the residents of Manitoba Colony thought demons were raping the town's women. There was no other explanation. No way of explaining how a woman could wake up with blood and semen stains smeared across her sheets and no memory of the previous night. No way of explaining how another went to sleep clothed, only to wake up naked and covered by dirty fingerprints all over her body. No way to understand how another could dream of a man forcing himself onto her in a field-and then wake up the next morning with grass in her hair.
For Sara Guenter, the mystery was the rope. She would sometimes wake up in her bed with small pieces of it tied tightly to her wrists or ankles, the skin beneath an aching blue. Earlier this year, I visited Sara at her home, simple concrete painted to look like brick, in Manitoba Colony, Bolivia. Mennonites are similar to the Amish in their rejection of modernity and technology, and Manitoba Colony, like all ultraconservative Mennonite communities, is a collective attempt to retreat as far as possible from the nonbelieving world. A slight breeze of soy and sorghum came off the nearby fields as Sara told me how, in addition to the eerie rope, on those mornings after she'd been raped she would also wake to stained sheets, thunderous headaches, and paralyzing lethargy.
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It is strange how they feel obliged to forgive a rapist but not forgive someone who uses a mobile phone.
Nah you got it all wrong they are all given a chance for what ever the case may be rapist,who gets a phone,bike etc etc they are only punished only when they don't repent keep up the things they bought or owned and again the only punishment is banishing and excommunicate them from the community they don't practice like some religious communities practice like the Muslims stoning to death,honour killing,execution etc etc for leaving the religion .......
I know you're trying to be funny. But first off, they don't condemn those who use mobile phones or any technology; they simply refuse to use them. Second, the imperative to forgive those who seek forgiveness and are worthy of forgiveness is a Christian imperative and virtue that they take seriously. Third, as members of a community living by these religious virtues, the command to forgive while making perpetrators accountable for their actions is largely what holds this community together. What's strange to you is that this community-centered approach to crime built upon mercy and forgiveness is not one most Americans can understand. We offload justice for criminal offenses to the state and reject mercy, forgiveness, and rehabilitation for most people convicted of crimes.
@@TheMOlague I don't know why you think they were trying to be funny. It was a sincere remark on the irony of this bizarre approach to morality. Going softer on rape than on the possession of a phone makes no sense. This is what happens in intensely patriarchal communities.
I am a Mennonite from Manitoba,Canada. I have heard personal stories of these ghost rapes from my own family members living in Bolivia. It’s utmost more so the ridiculous laws mandatory made by the elders-that the incest and ghost rapes are happening and will continue. It’s not happening to the the men and as evidence l have witnessed myself;the young girls and women have almost no credibility or even acknowledged as anywhere close to being equal to men. It’s the elders of their churches that can make a huge difference-but change,even for the better,means sin. Being molested from a child and no one to turn to-l cannot imagine what they must be suffering. My grandmother who lived to age 92 told me horror stories like these from her childhood in Mexico to moving to Bolivia. She told me a story about a family where the husband took care of birth control. When his wife could no longer conceal her pregnancy,he took her to the woods where she wouldn’t be heard and he would tie her down-and using his hands he tore the unborn child out of her. He did this many times and even bragged he decided when they’d have another child. That’s the mildest story of what she’s told me. It’s all about looking like purity in religion not true to being saved Christians. Whether you wear your hair in braids or not seems to matter more than the great sin of incest and rapes!! SHAME on the men as so called leaders who are desperate for things to remain as the way it’s always been before. Selfish as they do not consider the suffering and threat to the little girls with little to no protection even from their own fathers-often the culprits themselves. It won’t change until this darkness is brought to the light.
Those men must be held accountable and brought before actual Law enforcement not Kangaroo courts. I hope for better days for such a religious community.
What did you just said he killed his own childs to avoid birth, OMG he is the real devil.
@@LuckySingh-ln9ox It's done thousands of times a day in America. We call it Planned Parenthood and it's subsidized by our taxes. Think about it.
@@denniswhite166 Forcing abortion on another is not the same at all 😡
How did you hear the story? By telephone?
This should have been an hour long episode, 2 parts barely begins to cover the rapes let alone the other abuses going on w/ in the colony.
My heart goes out to these women and girls! I want to go help them heal.
well women are very repressed all men speak Spanish and they dutch or Russian language but women just talk they original language i guess they dont teach Spanish to women even when they are living in a country where Spanish is the language and the reason for that is to repress women. can you imagine be in a country where you dont understand the language have not money and kids under your responsibility? i guess a lot of this women just accept they faith and stay in that community.
meow23 it's a kind of german. not russian.
The women have no choice. They are brainwashed that this is the only way to avoid hell. They have nowhere else to go. They can't leave. Where would they go? Bolivia is an impoverished country to begin with.
@@KD-vb9hh Can't they leave the colony and move to a neighboring country that's not as poor as Bolivia like Chile, Argentina, Peru, Brazil, etc. ? These women are just brainwashed into believing that the life they live is they're role in life.
@@curlyfry3049 What would they do in one of these countries? They have no education. They don't speak the language. They don't know anyone. They have no money. They believe everyone who lives there is going to hell.
@@KD-vb9hh
Don t be a moron..!
It is not about being in a poor country, if not expelled from their colony, they do not know how to live outside their world, because they have no education, training and only speak "Low German", which not even current Germans understand.
But ... there are some exceptions, especially Mennonite men who had a Metalworking background who were expelled from their colonies for working for people outside the colony.
Once kicked out, they started their own business and guess what ... ??
Account the same Mennonite, the first year, made his first Million dollars ... !!!
Now, it is a prosperous industrialist with a hundred employees, many of whom are expelled Mennonites as well.
In women there are Mennonites who entered the world of Modeling and successful athletes, there are also Mennonite lawyers.
So, don't affirm things you ignore and shut up....!
Their whole way of life seems kind of peaceful and simple, although stifling. As soon as you mention rapes and incest all that shit goes out the window.
In every community there are good and bad people's who commits tribble action and crime so stop over reacting what has happened to thier community and talking about the incest look at the British royal family who are ruling over UK for thousands of years yet no one talks about it ........
These people should understand that forgiving doesn't mean accepting the person who did something to you back into your life at all! if they would understand this they would soon be free of those rapists I think.
They can forgive rape but they can't forgive someone having a cell phone.
Naah you got all that wrong no matter what the crime is they are ask to repent and ask for forgiveness and if they do they are forgiven and allowed to be part of the community but if they don't they are banished and excommunicate from the community......
These women need to understand that it is their duty to protect their children, their daughters from harm and if that means leaving their husbands and community then so be it.
Poor women and children. This is just insane, god help these people
JIMMY JAM god “ forgives them “ but there still doing the same things (rape)
Is there a God?
@@rosaiglarsh9987 yes
@@froggy8720Thank you. But what good is He, if He doesn't protect people like this?
@@rosaiglarsh9987 right!? He is good that is what I grew up to hear but, why doesn’t he help us?
i got back from chihuahua mexico a couple weeks back. i met & had a brief conversation with a very conscious male menonite that had recently left his community with his younger brother. he spoke perfect spanish & described the menonite community as an authentic cult. he said that they were so repressed rape & incest were inevitable
I personally will give them life in prison the damage is to much for any women especially a child.
Hell, maybe that one dude's right, maybe it WAS their father and brother.
Yes thats what I also thought - what IF the fathers, and the pastor and so on did it.
After it came to light, they decided to think about who the most unpopular and creepiest men of the colony were.
Because, lets be honest, looking at those guys, just from the superficial first look, anybody maybe would say, yes, that looks like a person who does this.
Then they said it was them. And everyone said, yes that must be right
damned... i didnt think of that
But not every father and brother are like that, no?
@@i-am-your-conscience I believe they picked their youngest adult sons to bear their punishment.. I’m married to someone who has Mennonite parents from Manitoba/ Bolivia and I literally just watched my husbands parents screw over my husband because he’s the youngest. We got away and are safe now but, my husband is so brainwashed by his family that he feels guilty for running away from them.. they almost ruined us but, luckily they could never truly brainwash me.. they sure tried though.
The bible actually says, 1 Peter 3:2:-5 “Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead beauty should come from your inner self, and the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. Thse guys should read their own bible. Braids are certainly not compulsory.
They did read it, they know.
Thats why the conservative mennonites try to keep their people uneducated and without connection to books other than theirs.
@@i-am-your-conscience 👍
No one in their right mind should forgive a rapist.
at some point, you would hear someone outside, or climbing the roof, or forcing a window or something..if you don't, then there is only one other person to look at and that's within your own household! i feel sorry that the men control this area of life that is very unfair for women and children, no different to many other countries who refuse to take ownership and work for justice for women and children, such as india! Rape is not justified, it's not something you can get over, it is a crime worth locking men up for life. death penalty in my opinion! and it is utterly unforgivable, bible or no bible, i'm saying that as a catholic.
To my knowledge, the Bible says no such thing as “a woman without braids is like a person without clothes”. In fact there are verses that speak AGAINST the plaiting or broiding of hair, which I’ve always found ironic with regards to my Mennonite family members.
I was thinking the same!
This is so maddening. I feel so bad for the women.
this is essentially how government works.A few power hungry men, hard at work controlling information,laws and finances in a way that favors themselves.
This is terrible. A community created by a highly conservative group who like tradition, playing it safe, very strict, unflexible and all about rules and productivity. They totally ignore expressive, creative and types who want to pursue their own dreams and neglect room for desperate growth.
What an irony it is to escape a perceived larger society made of laws and rules only to enforce one that's even smaller minded and harsher than what they escaped from.
In the end, isn't it all about the issue of power?
I find it interesting that the men are speaking Spanish but the women are speaking something totally different. I have no idea what language it is. Maybe the men speak Spanish for business purposes, so they can sell products to outsiders.
Most likely that's the case. The women are probably holding onto the traditional languages of their people.
I literally just commented something similar.
its German. Probably from the south of Germany. It's some kind of dialect.
The idea to stay as traditional as possible has some fallacies. They claim to stay true to their roots, by comparing themselves to the people that lived centuries ago. People that followed the same way of life. They won't embrace the the latter advances of the 20th, as well as the 21th century. I find it plain stupid to compare yourselves to people in the past who in-fact did adopt the modernity of their time. I am pretty sure they all embraced whatever made life easier for them. So why not buy a car or have modern forms of law and legislature. For the sake of their beliefs, even the Babylonians seem more advanced than they are
I respect the concept of these people and how they live in simplicity, but that doesn't mean you just give up on evolving intellectually and realizing that some things are ridiculous (like blaming rapes on ghosts) and being utterly ignorant of the evolution of human civilization. Live the way you want, but don't bash the way others live just because it doesn't follow your beliefs.
there are many many different sects of Mennonite people.The bolivian mennonites are essentially Amish except for their style of clothes.As was mentioned in the documentary the whole reason this particular group is in bolivia in the first place is because they were the most strict of their kind and wanted to get away from the more moderate ones.Most mennonite communities are not closed at all and are very similar to other protestant christian churches.
These people, as well as the Bolivian government, disgust me for allowing this to continue.
Well forgiveness is a great thing but it's really dangerous in this case, the same perpetrators would commit the same crime and then ask for forgiveness just to get away from punishment. It's crazy.
Exactly!!! Forgiveness?! 😳 In the “real world” their arses would go to prison! Edit: (maybe not prison..🙄@ least taken away from the abuse) Well at least their victims would have the chance to go to authorities/real teachers, use a darn telephone, etc to let people know. This is the typical situation when the wifey just has to “let” him do what he wants to do to her children. God forbid she protects her son/daughter.
In this situation few hands or clean with the exception of the victims. Something in the wash is definitely dirty and its possible like the convicted rapist said that fathers and brothers raped their own kin I can believe that I put nothing past folk nowadays. This FORGIVENESS that they keep harping on is beyond my comprehension especially when children are involved. How do you forgive someone for stealing a child's innocence that is something I'll never understand or say is forgivable no matter what your religion says this is something I feel strongly about and will not waiver.
Jesus always told people “go and sin no more”. They’re not asking that of their men.
@@tbastrikes7847 I'm not Jesus.
I am not gonna say anything about their religion because I have no idea but I sure do feel sorry for these women.
this is just sad in so many ways
" yea , ill forgive you for breaking into my home and raping my wife and vergin daughters, ONLY because i want to look back with god come judgement day and say remember when i forgave those rapists for violating my family and taking my pure daughters, Im Good Right? " ....
i´m dutch and i can tell you that what they were speaking sounded nothing like dutch, yes it was something germanic but definitely not dutch
Bang on, Alice. They do not value their women. But, again, what religion does? Religion is just a set of rules made up for the empowerment of men
it is deeply disturbing that the men elders or not (of course only men) would consider technology a crime and more punishable than incest and rape. I cannot comprehend how the brain works or wonder whether they still think that women have no soul and therefore her worth is either equal or below that of a dog???
I am enraged for those women, victims of the worst crimes one coukd face.
Amish brothers Aaron & Petie Schwartz⚖️🚩🚩
Been a while since I watched a vice documentary as well executed as this one. Awful topic aside, thoroughly enjoyed this.
Did you just find a way to justify rape? Having a society that isn't repressive does not eliminate violence again women. Having a society that continually keeps women down and treats them as second class citizens, that takes away power and their voice, that is a much larger issue than sexual repression.
I'm kind of glad that these kinds of people live in their own communities...
Raised without a spirituality of the heart. Replaced with fear based rule following with abuse, it's no wonder they become capable of this.
7:10 "The victim leaves with their abuser".. what?? so you punish the abuser AND the victim?? why? the problem is the sick fuck who committed the crime! No hope for this community.. I'm sorry.
Just watched Women Talking movie and brought me here. So angry about this and change and punishment is needed.
Amish brothers Aaron & Petie Schwartz⚖️🚩🚩
why are people always fighting on youtube about religion?
i am Amish i watched this on a leaf
The BOOK 📕 women talking written by Miriam Toews is based on these true events.
The fact that this community does not impliment the laws of the land or banish the perpetrators and exile them never to return is yet another example of how ultra conservative groups will continue to remain ignorant and out of touch with how the rest of the world would treat matters like this.
In the rest of society, these men would be punished accordingly and sentenced to jail which is what should rightfully happen. As long as this community uses their religious ideals, these men will be free.
They can "forgive" a rapist, but they can't show the same compassion for someone who decides to buy a cell phone? Wow. If they're supposed to forgive everyone, then banishing people is hypocritical. Hell itself is an insane and counter-intuitive idea. A God who allows Hell is a hypocritical and unfathomably cruel idea of a being.
Thank you Wes, Noah, Jean & others for covering this horrifying story! Let us hope it is the beginning of lifting up "...the least of these."
"Complexes that are not granted reality by consciousness and are not dealt with as 'powers' to be taken seriously, but are dealt with by repression, tend to take hold in an unadapted, primitive, regressive, compulsive and destructive fashion. This results in what we call neurotic or psychotic disturbances."
-E.C. Whitmont
Have you seen the Oscar nominated movie "WOMEN TALKING" by Sarah Polley? It is based on this true story, and it is so moving!
@@Seetha-Golden Hi, yes. I saw the movie yesterday and read the book earlier this week. After the movie everyone in the theater just sat still in silence, it was very unusual. I think the movie was very well directed. I read the screenplay last week and it was clear watching the film and noting differences how collaborative and flexible the process must have been. I think my criticisms of Women Talking are more of the book because the movie was mostly an offshoot of that. Although the book (with a prologue) at least acknowledges the real people who suffered and continue to suffer from rape and incest, I am troubled by how both fictions imply a false impression of a semblance of resolution where there is none. I'll grant that at least there is TALK and that is something, especially with such awful trauma. I liked that the book & film included some victims also using the spray out of both fear and the need to control others by making them unconscious, showing how easily the ability to control others corrupts.
This is so sick. I hope Bolivian authorities set a police department, even could train members of the comm. And educate girls to denounce any abuses. They can be above the law!
I think they were saying in the case of incest the whole family would be excommunicated, which obviously means that the child would be stuck with the parent who committed the crime.
i feel bad for all the victims, these people need to upgrade with society. sometimes I feel like religion causes sick problems in this world.
I think this community is of Dutch origins, so kids learn High German in school, but the women speak Low German and are kinda forbidden to speak Spanish, whereas men learn Spanish because of the trading they do in nearby cities.
Unbelievable, it's in every culture.
Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that a woman without braids is like a woman without clothes.
Okay, I don't know what's worse the fact that abuse and rape is still going on in the community. Or that the rapists got only 25 years! Over a hundred women confessed to getting rape! And there were eight of them! That's what? About 12 rapes per man on average! Add that to the fact that each of these psychos probably took turns on each victim and you have enough rape sentences to last 2,500 years!
Can someone tell me what "verse" they are referencing? I've never heard such a thing in fact I've seen the opposite ------ 1 Peter 3:3-4 - Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel ------- This is all I could find on the matter.
Well thats the reason why in their laws, people not should have a higher education and read more than they should.
Its completely made up. In no translation every it said, wear braids.
sometimes evil is also stupid
the entire purpose of their ideology seems to be living a simple and unmaterialistic life. having an 18 wheeler might be a material desire to someone, but i'm sure for them its all a matter of practicality. they even use windmills to power their homes... its not like they're completely against modern technology, but against "frivolous" things that i can only imagine would include things like television. im sure tools and other useful technologies such as trucks wouldn't be so bad.
they're worse than the Jehovah's Witness......but similar in a lot of ways
I didn't know there was such a big mennonite community in Bolivia, I knew about Mexico cuz I'm from there. I always thought that these people lived in peace and calm because they weren't been absorbed by the 21 century society, politics and all the bunch of problems we live in currently but I guess there will always be a form of evil in any mankind such as the incest and raping within the own members of their family which is sad. Trying to live a pretty basic life without technology and material things is gonna be pretty hard if not impossible also.. I think they should establish a form of judicial branch so they can punish the crimes and also let the young guys and girls use technology because technology is part of our life's now!!! Just soften a little be more their society but not so much that it becomes evil and corrupt as ours!!! And don't keep children from getting an education because that's a right every kid on this world has!!!
It's amazing how good their Spanish is!
this is beyond fucked up.
This is brutal.
they excommunicate the victim WITH their abuser? what the hell is the point in that, the victim is no better off!
thank god nobody can forbid or controll your thoughts and forbid you to question your thoughts.
It's not just women being raped it's also men/boys. THey should have included that as well
They put the wrong guys in jail if its still going on. They need cameras to catch the rapists. And wont allow it. They forgive themselves for being rapists but the man can't ride a bike... Oh please...🙏🔥🌺🌼🌴
I speak that language and the english translator is not telling the whole truth of what they are actually saying in person
What are they saying actually?
+ARVIN That would be a documentary by itself because one has to understand the lifestyle of these people too which is not accurately translated
+realemonful I think I have an idea of what kind of way they talk.
Yeah, my family are Old Colony in Bolivia, and they totally misconstrued the translations. In the first part they say it's a three year old daughter when the woman actually said thirteen. And a lot of it is incredibly inaccurate and misleading.
I'm a Friesen and that's why I said that
Manitoba Colony is a utopia for criminals, there's no police, alarm systems or weapons, all the locals are under-educated and even if you happen to get caught they're obliged to forgive you.
i really doubt this is a very accurate view of their quality of life...
lowermiddleclassy amen. The Mennonites in Bolivia live a good life they just don’t partake in modern technologies. I’m sure we can all agree of the benefits of modern technologies but we can also agree on the negative affects. This documentary shines a dark light on some dark folks doing sinful things that happen in every group of people... Harvey Weinstein comes to mind.
That's incredible. Rape someone, even a young child and it's forgiveness and a welcome back home. Play a sport or listen to some secular music and it's eternal damnation and hellfire for you.
Only forgiving to be forgiven, forced upon them to avoid hell is no genuine forgiveness. Forgiving even in the case of going to hell or just for the virtue of it is true forgiveness.
These societies need to be monitored by the government. So much abuse and atrocities are covered up in these societies.
Thanks Vice once again for surprising me one more time when I thought I'd seen all sorts of crazy fucking shit in the world I had no idea these people even existed in Bolivia.
wierdest language ever sounds like 50% german 50% russian i can understand like 5% out of it.
I know it's like borrowed words from here and there or something
It's what they call Low German which is a direct derivative of Old Saxon. Old Saxon has roots in Russian as well as Nordic languages.
....and I swear I heard some Spanish too.
Yes, the men seem to know Spanish guess because they are in Bolivia. They keep the women cloistered and that's super effective if there's a language barrier.
We speak Plautdietsch. It’s a smoothie of languages haha
Don't know anything about the Menonites or the Amish but I speak fluent German and I just wanted to correct you on two points. First, what they speak in this video isn't German, it sounds Germanic but it is not traditional German (in my opinion sounds more like Dutch to be honest...). Second the German for Dutch is Holländer and not Deutsch. Deutsch only means German.
What's wrong with these people? Can they not just be normal?
Hunnterrr7 I know! Here in Mexico we have tons of different kind of mennonites but most in Bolivia they’re extremist
This is so tragically delusional it's sad.
it's almost german. I can understandy nearly everything the censored lady tells us
Yeah I got that too I saw the writing and heard them speaking it's like a combination of german and Spanish
She’s speaking the Russian-Mennonite language of Plautdietsch with some Spanish terms mixed in.
If the video could have English subtitles, it would be wonderful, 👍 Thanks
the people who were locked up and the people on the farm....what's the difference between the two? you can't do anything fun or anything you like until you die....
It ironic that they left Canada yet called the new colony Manitoba after the province of Manitoba.
A woman without braids is like a woman without clothes? Where in the world does it say that in the bible?
More of a cult than a community.
It's interesting how these Europeans moved all over the world over 500 years but haven't really changed much besides speaking the local language.
This is bad but I think it's unfair for people to say that all people who believe in God or who are spiritual are idiots. The true expression of Christianity is actually not a religion (a list of rules) but freedom from rules because of God's love for you. When people follow rules they are expressing religion, but faith is something different, and I think the distinction needs to be made.
Well, Jesus once said, "Thou buy thyself an iPhone, thou will fucking go to Hell."
God damnit, i read like 7 pages on this on vice, not knowing there were videos
The bible never said that braids were nessesary.
vice, where do you get tapes or how do you know of such amazing stories?
Although, any religion is fine, as long as it doesn't control your life and actions. and is not forced upon every human being available.
Like Buddhists. as far as i know it is to live in peace and to respect all living things.
Hey i am completely grown up in a mennonite colony. not in bolivia but in mexico. no im not proud of it. but i cant change it. no.... where i grew up we actually live way more modernly. i speak this language. we call it low german. if any of you have questions about mennonite culture. just ask. id be happy to answer them.
+Jake Giesbrecht
How do Mennonites view racial miscegenation? Do many Mexican Mennonites marry Mestizos?
Hey there, I see your comment was from 3 years ago but I had a couple of questions about the translation of this piece as I see some are claiming a lot of it is inaccurate, and I also wanted to double check some facts about the Mennonite culture. Are you still around on UA-cam to answer a couple of questions I have? Thank you :)
Not all Mennonites escaped to Russia. My Mennonite ancestors were from Switzerland, and they came to America.
Can't help but feel this went from a documentary about strange rapings to a documentary about bigoted religion.
good job
I feel bad for these people, but that's just me. How can modernization be a sin? Anyway, I hope these Amish dudes wake up... use modern tech to their advantage and live life to the fullest.
I don't wanna sound ridiculous because i do love technology but i kinda understand their logic: we're destroying earth by polluting it using everyday technology.
They make a bunch or stupid rules for them own selves and then they suffer... I mean what’s the fucking point of restricting and torturing yourself so much, just enjoy life. No one is going to send you to hell. They are so primitive.
Life is given for us to do something with it to enjoy , explore live to the fullest not to restrict ourselves suffer in silence and do farming work all day whilst taking mans commands, not being able to speak up.
Yes the women are very repressed.With almost all South American mennonites only the men know the local languages.The women can't even communicate with anyone outside the villages.
in all that time there must be at least one baby conceived, test the dna.
They can't even sing a song.....that's simply cruel.
Just something on the braided hair thing and the bible.
1 Timothy 2:8-15 ESV
I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness-with good works. Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
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So men speak Spanish and the females German?
He never said anything about noble or civilized, but these people are sheep. Forgiving anyone for anything as long as they give out a fake repentance.