CRT were expensive and complicated to make compared to lcd. Except for 1 or 2 reasons, there is no benefit to crt over lcd. Size is the main reason. The biggest crt the was commercially produced was only 42 inches. Floppy disks are different since they still serve a need. Many systems still use them unlike crt. There are a couple companies that still make crt, but they are for military and airlines.
The only thing that made crts affordable was economy of scale. When everyone was buying them, they could still turn a profit. With few people buying them, it's just not affordable. Crts are really expensive to make.
I used to think there was a market for new CRTs, then I found out how expensive it is to manufacture tubes and such. Also how much toxic/dangerous stuff is in there. Totally worth picking one up for retro gaming. There are certain visual/sprite effects that only look right on CRT.
I have an old daily driver, a Dell M991 that I recently pulled out of storage, hooked up a colorimeter and gave it a good calibration through the hidden service menu. Incredible for retrogames and even on some modern stuff, the contrast, motion clarity, and black levels are still incredible compared to today's tech. Did a run through Oblivion to dust it off, had a great time.
I got a p991 dell trinitron 2 weeks ago it overclocked up to 2560x1920 and thief 2012 looks beautiful on crt the black levels of crt are perfect for that game
@@josephdias5859 'overclocking' a crt is a good way to kill vital components. There's also no reason to go that high on that monitor, there's no more detail to be had above 2048 x 1536.
Glad you still make content you enjoy making. You're one of my favorite authentic personalities on UA-cam and every video feels authentic and intimate. Plus your music is amazing. Thanks Logan.
spot on video. You can't appreciate the marvel of these things until you do see them. Back when I took them for granted during my Amiga days, I didn't tend to marvel them in the same way other being grateful to have one over my tv thanks to my mum. But then you try to play your older games library and it's quite the shock how terrible they look and feel. Even plasmas can't manage the perfectly smooth motion and it's impossible I find having to play using anything but a CRT these days for my collection. Crt's are a real treasure to me and so I make sure I've got plenty and I advise people check them out at least
Over the past year I've gotten into CRTs. Got myself an SD 4:3 TV ($free), an HD 16:9 TV ($45), and a beautiful beige Monitor for my "analog basement". Been exploring retro games I was never been able to play when I was young, and replaying favorites. It's been a fun and inexpensive hobby (so far, anyway). Now I just gotta find a tiny cute 8-10" CRT...
Haven't had a CRT in years, but you and EposVox are making me want to pick one up. Probably a smaller "portable" one vs the 21" Dell P1130 CRT I had (was a great Dell-badged Trinitron, but heavy and hard to get rid of when it died from a cap bursting).
Logan I just have to say I love your CRT and Retro content. Please do more of that. :) I've just ordered a Delock 87685 to hook a CRT monitor to my Radeon 6800 XT. I was looking for a way to play old DOS and Amiga games on a CRT and I finally found a solution for it just because I stumbled across your channel. Thanks UA-cam-Algorythm!
@@teksyndicate Exactly. I've used one of your other videos to set it up. I found for some games it's a bit tricky if you have the GoG-Version or if the game is around the 98-2k timeframe. In that case I use the game from GoG and just change the primary display in windows to the CRT and it's good to go that way.
I got a CRT monitor from trash and I love it. Despite a relatively noticeable scratch on the front - which I may be able to fix with a polish if that's safe for the glass - it's beautiful. It's LG Flatron F700P. I use it for my retro gaming rig, though I wouldn't mind getting a second one.
@@chumpy0nion17 Worth it if you have space, don't mind low resolution, 4:3 aspect ratio, and you want to do some retro gaming. And if that thing is for free or very cheap.
I scored a LG F900P for 72USD (500Kr) here in Denmark. I was amazed by this find because CRT monitors are almost never showing up on the used market here in Denmark. It almost never happens anymore. It had been listed for a long time, being buried on page 71 between old 19" LCD monitors. I guess the name and model wasn't well known, so no one searched for it, and on the single picture taken, it kind of looked like yet another bad 4:3 LCD monitor. It can run 2048 x 1536, it has VGA AND BNC connections, and it was produced in 2005, meaning it's one of the latest models to ever be produced. Never give up your search.
A reason to get a 1080ti or Titan for CRT monitors is that these are the last Nvidia cards that support *interlacing* . When you use interlacing on a CRT monitor, you can run higher refresh rates and resolutions. It actually gives a sharper image and corner focus than progressive when you interlace at these high refresh-rates/resolutions, but doesn't take more processing. Since the fields are alternating so fast, you don't even see the jitter that most people associate with 480i or 1080i.
You also don't have to sacrifice your gpu either. You can just put a 1080ti in your PC right next to your 3090. Run your cart off of the 1080ti and then run your 3090
@Pasi123 Yea it's why the GPU pass thru method exists. Using a newer card to render stuff and an older gpu to interlace. Even on a 1080ti it's tough because you can only interlace through the HDMI and you need a high bandwidth DAC. I'm running 2056x1536 interlaced @160hz and it's insane
the whole CRT thing are very expensive to produce, but I heard OLED looks pretty similar and as good as CRT monitors. But if you talking about the desing of fat monitors.. Yeah, they are charming
4:30 the reason why Linus used the older gpu is to have the system running with no added lag from a signal converter since those 980ti`s and old Titan GPU`s have analog output in them, its not a need its just a "if you want to experience 0 lag on the display then look for these older cards that are now cheap and support analog signals without needing a converter"
Hey, these CRTs that "top out" at 1280x1024 should actually be run at 1280x960. The former is 5:4 whilst the physical resolution is 4:3. You might be able to squeak out 5 more hertz as compensation which is a bonus. Also by and large most people will want to use the Startech DP2VGAHD20 adapter, the 375mh pixel clock rate will handle most anything.
I am an absolute CRT fan, although I am playing modern stuff on my 27 inch NEC flat screen. In my collection: Two Sony Trinitron monitors - 21inch Sony Trinitron multiscan E500 and a 19 inch Sony multiscan G400, plus three Trinitron TV´s .- a small and a big 4:3 model, and one wide screen (heavy monsters, with around 140 pounds in weight :) - but in terms of PC CRT gaming, I am absolutely proud on my 24 inch Elsa Ecomo 24H96 wide screen 16:10 monitor with resolution up to 1900x1200 76Hz, a once very expensive CRT for graphic designers, which has cost a ton of money, but I was able to get very cheap. They are probably not perfect in terms of geometry due to their age, but all give a nice image.
Had the opportunity to buy a very well cared for and barely used Mitsubishi 2070SB for dirt cheap but the day before picking it up someone straight up offered 10x what I was going to pay.
I have a Sony CPD-G400 which is a nice little 19 inch monitor and a Sony CPD-G520. I haven't used either in a while but this is making me want to pull one out and play retro shooters on it! I haven't had a ton of time to play games in life recently and I don't really have desk space right now but I might have to have some fun with this one of these next weekends.
I have a "retro" pc with Windows XP installed but it's pretty darn beefy for an XP machine. I've used it with the CPD-G400. Asus Z68 board, i5 2500k, 16GB of 2400 MHz RAM (which on 32 bit XP isn't even addressable beyond 3GB I think!), a GTX 980 with modified drivers for XP, and a Soundblaster audio card with EAX support. I do miss a lot of conveniences from Windows 7 and that's nostalgic itself at this point so I kind of want to upgrade. But I would be losing EAX audio support which is a bit of a bummer.
I had some of the best CRTs just before I went over to LCD. The flat screen CRT looked so great and still does back then and today. I had one of those I let a friend use and it stopped working I wish had saved it and repaired it now. I love that you have my favorite all-time anime on there of Bubblegum Crisis. I have the 1080 version. I watched that so much back in the day and still love to. Though 2040 was good it just was not as good as the first BGC. I loved it too. Though BG Crash should never have happened I watch it. I had them all on VSH and then later DVD and now Blueray.
Have you tried Cowboy Bebop? That is a great anime, first tried it from July - November 2023. Don't own a cathode ray tube monitor here, but have an LCD display instead. The anime looked great.
@@thatguyalex2835 You haven't seen anime until you have seen it on a CRT, or a Plasma, even on an RGB-OLED it looks pretty great, those animation frames with smooth raster-scanned motion are a thing of beauty though.
Running a HP p1230 Diamontron. Got it for about 1500 PKR or like $8 at the time. I loved it so much that I sold one of my side 16:9 LCD monitors. Kinda lowkey regret that now but this monitor is so baller that I straight up used it as my daily driver for 6 months before coming to my senses. This bad boy goes up to 2048*1536i @ 85Hz for pretty games. 1280*960i @ 161Hz for fps games, rhythm or other games that benefit from large fps. 640*480p @ 161Hz for old PC and 6th and some 5th Gen console games. 320*240p @ 161Hz for 5th gen and older console games. I love this monitor so much. 4:3 is awesome aspect ratio, really artsy and the image is razor sharp even at the native resolution from my LED 16:9 main monitor. At really low resolutions the scanlines are so crispy. The blur and contrast is unmatched. But get real for a second. This monitor in the video and the one I have are amazing for a lot of games old and new. But the newest games are made for LEDs and OLEDs. They are brighter and the darkest spots end up being pitch black on CRTs. That's good but a lot of times there is some visibility on newer monitors which lead to enemies or other pieces of information becoming invisible for CRT users. I've also noticed that older games look bad on modern displays because the games appear to be bright and lacking in contrast. The thing is, on a CRT, the games look perfect and the contrast is returned. CRTs are awesome and retro games are a MUST play on a CRT. Even upres your games or whatever but play them on CRTs. I have extracted so much fun from these dying monitors. Someday in like 20 years or something, the last CRT is going to be scrapped. I hope there is a CRT made even in the smallest amount by someone using trinatron tech that uses a HDMI input and converts it on board. But that will probably not happen. I implore that people should get as many CRTs as they possibly can have. They can go for really cheap and even free. One neat trick to get them for cheap is by going to ebay or whatever site you use, search for monitor or old monitor and then sort by lowest price. People who use CRT on their listings know at least something about the tech and market and try to get their money's worth. People who just list them as monitors want to rid of them. So help them get rid of them and start using this awesome tech before it dies.
Got a Compaq MV920, and old games look wonderful on it with at 640x480 with a simple integer scanline shader. Also, that grayish-purple was part of the style of Sony's VAIO line of PCs.
"Find for a pretty good price." I constantly look on Craigslist, Facebook marketplace, eBay, Mercari... And CRT computer monitors go for ridiculous prices. Like $100+ with like $60 for shipping. I guess that's a reasonable price for a VGA monitor, considering they were still really expensive 20 years ago. I use a Sharp CRT that I have a SFF Dell Vostro hooked up to it with a RTX Quadro T400 for now, but the composite to HDMI converter doesn't give the best picture lol. Gets the job done though. Nice for playing MAME and some online matches on Fightcade. Anime looks amazing on CRT's btw! I found out Hulu, HBO Max, and UA-cam will fill the screen on 4:3 content if the resolution is set to a 4:3 resolution. Watching the "Joy of Painting" on UA-cam really makes low resolution Bob Ross paintings pop!
I heard people get all these fancy CRTs from various e-waste facilities and schools, hospitals. Maybe you should check those by just emailing them. But I personally would be scared to do such..
haha I love you Logan, legendary ending of the video. I played for 33 years and reaching retirement of my gaming days cause of eye tracking tech and all that sizzle. But yes you right, I should consider replaying or playing missed games from the 90s and getting uplifted compare to modern games that are political and capitalistic in nature. I have a pg278qr by asus rog and I'm in love with it, the pixel density and tech is really advance. I play 3D stereo games so I'm gens away from vr or any tech with 3D vision by crappy nvidia that killed that legacy tech. I had a great time gaming this 33 years and learned so much from the stories, dialog choices and reflecting on my personality and heart in them. I wish that you will continue having fun making videos for us and I hope you will make good income from those that can support your endeavours while being inspired by your heart, mind and soul. Keep well Logan and safe.
The only thing you lose out on with modern GPUs is not being able to use interlacing. Which could be useful for really fast refresh rates. So getting these old GPUs, even 1080ti, might be worth something.
I still have a gtx 1070 but honestly the interlace option wasn't really worth it since the MHz on the HDMI to VGA was only 215. At that rating, the picture doesn't look too bright or clear at the peak of 1080p, 60fps (110fps interlaced). It's better to get a dpi to VGA (515Mhz) and get a mid to high tier CRT monitor that can run high fps on progressive scan.
I love those Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 200 monitors, they are great multi use CRTs in that they have C-Sync, Sync-on-Green and the normal HV-Sync, so you can plug in any RGB/component source type you need inc scart with the right cable (such as the Pakapunch cables), perfect for PS2/GC/OGXB via progressive scan, I'd take one over the 2070SB even personally, then again I'd prefer to have both lol. I do have the LaCie Blue IV 22, which uses the 2070SB tube, but the LaCie has higher quality electronics as it's meant for the pro market.
If you like Morrowind, and you haven't already, i'd suggest the True Night & Darkness Mod for OpenMW. It's not even a mod, just settings to make it darker which is absolutely phenomenal in a Morrowind playthrough. Dark room required of course! Also if you ever get a chance to check out The Dark Mod. Playing this, again in a dark room on a Sony 420GS just has me in shock with how good it looks. Seeing is believing. I'm actually one of those guys who got a 980ti to see if there was any difference in the experience and to be honest, I can't see any. I don't feel too bad though because the 980ti is still an upgrade to the card I had, the 1050ti.
Too expensive unfortunately.. but in terms of graphics I heard OLED monitors are pretty alike CRTs, but of cource charming glorious fat cases are no more for monitors :[
the 980Ti is still enough to drive these crt's perfectly, you're gonna be playing at 1024x768 , 1280x800 or 1280x720 usually, the 980Ti will run modern games at good settings and framerates at those resolutions
Well, the the general rule is this: All old CRTs will look better than modern LCD screens. All of them. So, look at the resolution and refresh rate. 1024x768 units should be $100 or so... 1600x1200 could be $200... and 1920x1440 or higher can be $300+. The main thing to ask is this: "is there any burn-in? Is the unit still bright?" The units can dim over time... My diamondtron is not that bright, but it looks great still... But this Sony is extremely bright. I can't believe how good it looks. If you want to go down rabbit holes, look into the dot pitch and the type of filter used...
I have the Dell version of this tube (P992) and it's really nice on my desk. My findings are much like yours 1280x1024@75Hz looks best on this monitor. It needs some work and there's a strange line that can be seen in white scenes like Explorer.
I have three Sony Trinitrons TV’s, but all are flat screens. I’ve been keeping an eye out for a curved screen model, and apparently I need to find a computer monitor, too
4:00 even some unbranded adapter i got from jaycar years ago that just converts hdmi to vga still did 1600x1200@60 so i guess i just got lucky with that adapter? i mean some of those adapters list 160 mhz and according to wikipedia 160 mhz is 1280x1024@85 so that converts nicely to 1600x1200@60 basically as far as the adapter i have it doesnt just do 1920x1080@60, but it can do other resolutions and it also lists the monitor plugged into it as the correct model (still your mileage may vary, but the one i got worked just fine)
Great channel. Would you recommend getting one of these if one already has a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb? Also can you recommend a good converter in the UK to achieve 2048x1560 at 86hz, 1600x1200 at 109hz, 1440x1080 at 120hz and 1024x768 at 160hz? Please any help or advise will be much appreciated.
you have one of the best tubes out there, but there's no harm in getting more tubes if you've got the space for it. I have a Vention USB-C to VGA converter and it works great with my FW900 at highest specs. No need for Delocks or Startechs imo.
Thank you, Ward, I have two questions. First, do you have problems with your eyes? Because sometimes when you work with old technology it could be painful. And Second, question, do you have protection for a screen(Fellowes Privacy Screen Filter)? Or it's not necessary?
I wish I had the room for a CRT, but I don't really have any space for a second desk etc. Still, I was born legally blind with 20/200 vision thanks to albinism, so a lot of the imperfections of playing older games on an LCD I don't think I really notice.
Hey bud, any chance of different shipping options to the UK? Paying as much for the shipping as I am for the controller, which is a shame cause those analog sticks do look like they might be the best in the game.
I recently grabbed up my old old Eizo 19 Flexscan CRT monitor, but i need to rearrange some stuff in my desk etc Its been sitting on my coffee table for the past month, but i feel like i need to find someone in the Netherlands to take there hands on it and replace probably some of the capacitors.
Yeah OLED still needs improvements, but I still expect MicroLED to be a better modern successor in time. Still, I wonder when we would see a modern flat tech display with gridless dot made pixels akin to CRT monitor. Maybe in future laser based tech in monitors.
i have my 3070 hooked up to a high end lg crt you should try 4x res down sampling on it it looks mind blowing with a crt new dslr 2x also looks awsome 😍
Hi, just today I went to pick up my HMD A440, and I don't know if my expectations were too high regarding my CRT tv, but the picture looked a little weird, less defined, and washed out, kind of bluish, I'm not sure if something needs to be adjusted internally, already checked some options, or maybe if I need a RGB to vga transcoder.
i suggest using a motherboard with a vga out. thats what im using. 4790K inside there and a 1080TI... enough for retroarch and GOG Games. And All the Nightdive remakes. More than enough actually. In Windows 11 Settings in the Graphics area you can select which game uses which GPU... Works lilke a charm. No Adapters... Just right out of VGA to CRT. Works like a dream. Doom 3 here we go... to clearify... its hooked into the motherboard.... and usually uses the Intel HD Graphics from the CPU... but you can select the 1080 TI in the Graphic Settings in Windows. So i can use the 1080TI for Games.
The phrase "if you've never gamed on a CRT" suddenly hit me hard.... I only just now realized how many people haven't. I grew up on Atari 2600 to NES through many years to eventually owning my dream computer monitor which was a 21 inch (well beyond "HD" resolution) specialized IBM graphics monitor. In the mid 2000's it became completely useless but to me at the time I was on top of the world. Anyway, back to the point...... I still can never contemplate younger folks that were never around during basically any of the CRT generation. I'd never say it was good compared to anything later. But some monitors were surprisingly good compared to early LCD at least. refresh rates and resolutions could get quite high. Just size was always a factor.
I have a Sony hmd a440 it was used for less than a year and then put into storage maybe I should figure out a way to use it does not have many hours on it
Would love to have a CRT for gaming but the market is almost dead here and I worry that it wouldn't last long anyway as it seems most of the used market has defects.
I’ve been looking for a decent crt for a while now and just haven’t found one for a decent price. I don’t know if I’m looking on the wrong sites or search the wrong things but only ones I find are either shit 80s crts or the nice ones that have a $300 asking price. Any tips on where to search?
Newer retro consoles like PS2 and Dreamcast look amazing on this... But with the older 240p consoles, I have to run CRT filters because it's just too sharp and high-res on this
Currently playing shadow of Chernobyl on Alienware 25" 240hz because my 4890 in my retro xp died and don't have other overkill gpu to drive 1024x768 at 100hz for my Samsung 20'' crt. Need one of those adapters although I'd still prefer real old hardware,eax and all...I even have my original intellimouse,still the best
My rig’s motherboard has two pcie 4.0 slots so I got gtx 750ti since it has analog output, good enough for emulation AND it uses 60W max😂 Got the gtx 750ti for like 15 bucks
It still shocks me that there wasn't one company that kept doing CRT. Just like for years after the fact you could still buy brand new floppy discs.
I guess so few people want them anymore, and those that do just buy the used ones that other people don't want
CRT were expensive and complicated to make compared to lcd. Except for 1 or 2 reasons, there is no benefit to crt over lcd. Size is the main reason. The biggest crt the was commercially produced was only 42 inches. Floppy disks are different since they still serve a need. Many systems still use them unlike crt. There are a couple companies that still make crt, but they are for military and airlines.
The only thing that made crts affordable was economy of scale. When everyone was buying them, they could still turn a profit. With few people buying them, it's just not affordable. Crts are really expensive to make.
They say China still does it. I saw a guy on youtube repair an American on with China parts like a week ago.
The manufacturer fooled almost everyone with their LED, HDR, and 4K BS when in reality 480p SDR on CRT is way superior
I used to think there was a market for new CRTs, then I found out how expensive it is to manufacture tubes and such. Also how much toxic/dangerous stuff is in there. Totally worth picking one up for retro gaming. There are certain visual/sprite effects that only look right on CRT.
I got a trinitron from goodwill for 20 bucks. My wife was like that's way to expensive. Tube looks brand new
@@jmgraydz
You might need a replacement wife
There should still be a market for them and new ones should still be produced. These companies can easily afford it, so..
@@proletariennenaturiste Only if they will cost like in old days for 600$ or even higher
I have an old daily driver, a Dell M991 that I recently pulled out of storage, hooked up a colorimeter and gave it a good calibration through the hidden service menu. Incredible for retrogames and even on some modern stuff, the contrast, motion clarity, and black levels are still incredible compared to today's tech. Did a run through Oblivion to dust it off, had a great time.
I got a p991 dell trinitron 2 weeks ago it overclocked up to 2560x1920 and thief 2012 looks beautiful on crt the black levels of crt are perfect for that game
@@josephdias5859 'overclocking' a crt is a good way to kill vital components. There's also no reason to go that high on that monitor, there's no more detail to be had above 2048 x 1536.
Glad you still make content you enjoy making. You're one of my favorite authentic personalities on UA-cam and every video feels authentic and intimate. Plus your music is amazing. Thanks Logan.
spot on video. You can't appreciate the marvel of these things until you do see them. Back when I took them for granted during my Amiga days, I didn't tend to marvel them in the same way other being grateful to have one over my tv thanks to my mum. But then you try to play your older games library and it's quite the shock how terrible they look and feel. Even plasmas can't manage the perfectly smooth motion and it's impossible I find having to play using anything but a CRT these days for my collection. Crt's are a real treasure to me and so I make sure I've got plenty and I advise people check them out at least
Really enjoying the crt videos! I picked one up last year and haven't regretted it. Got me back into Retro gaming.
*Everybody gangsta 'till Logan makes his own 4k crt monitor*
Is there a video of Logan making or designing it?
@@bojkberet Better be.
500kg glass just to display 4k at 27 inches LOL consuming 1200W
Sadly you can't. Cathode Ray tubes require mercury for their construction.
@@reignick1133You can
Over the past year I've gotten into CRTs. Got myself an SD 4:3 TV ($free), an HD 16:9 TV ($45), and a beautiful beige Monitor for my "analog basement". Been exploring retro games I was never been able to play when I was young, and replaying favorites. It's been a fun and inexpensive hobby (so far, anyway).
Now I just gotta find a tiny cute 8-10" CRT...
not gonna lie, It was the Bubblegum Crisis freeze frame that caught my attention.
Haven't had a CRT in years, but you and EposVox are making me want to pick one up. Probably a smaller "portable" one vs the 21" Dell P1130 CRT I had (was a great Dell-badged Trinitron, but heavy and hard to get rid of when it died from a cap bursting).
Why did you get rid of it when only a cap burst, that would have cost you just a few pennies to fix.
Logan I just have to say I love your CRT and Retro content. Please do more of that. :) I've just ordered a Delock 87685 to hook a CRT monitor to my Radeon 6800 XT. I was looking for a way to play old DOS and Amiga games on a CRT and I finally found a solution for it just because I stumbled across your channel. Thanks UA-cam-Algorythm!
Amazing! Are you using Dosbox pure in retroarch for it? It's almost just like the old days... but with quicksave.
@@teksyndicate Exactly. I've used one of your other videos to set it up. I found for some games it's a bit tricky if you have the GoG-Version or if the game is around the 98-2k timeframe. In that case I use the game from GoG and just change the primary display in windows to the CRT and it's good to go that way.
I got a CRT monitor from trash and I love it. Despite a relatively noticeable scratch on the front - which I may be able to fix with a polish if that's safe for the glass - it's beautiful. It's LG Flatron F700P. I use it for my retro gaming rig, though I wouldn't mind getting a second one.
I have also scratches on the glass screen, it could be polished by cerium oxide
I've had succes with cerium oxide!! Try it
I found one near me, should I get it?
@@chumpy0nion17 Worth it if you have space, don't mind low resolution, 4:3 aspect ratio, and you want to do some retro gaming. And if that thing is for free or very cheap.
I am all for more CRT coverage along RetroArch coverage.
I'm loving the CRT content!
I scored a LG F900P for 72USD (500Kr) here in Denmark. I was amazed by this find because CRT monitors are almost never showing up on the used market here in Denmark. It almost never happens anymore.
It had been listed for a long time, being buried on page 71 between old 19" LCD monitors. I guess the name and model wasn't well known, so no one searched for it, and on the single picture taken, it kind of looked like yet another bad 4:3 LCD monitor.
It can run 2048 x 1536, it has VGA AND BNC connections, and it was produced in 2005, meaning it's one of the latest models to ever be produced.
Never give up your search.
just got my first crt monitor, absolutely love it. its my main monitor now
A reason to get a 1080ti or Titan for CRT monitors is that these are the last Nvidia cards that support *interlacing* .
When you use interlacing on a CRT monitor, you can run higher refresh rates and resolutions. It actually gives a sharper image and corner focus than progressive when you interlace at these high refresh-rates/resolutions, but doesn't take more processing. Since the fields are alternating so fast, you don't even see the jitter that most people associate with 480i or 1080i.
I'm going to have to try that.
You also don't have to sacrifice your gpu either. You can just put a 1080ti in your PC right next to your 3090. Run your cart off of the 1080ti and then run your 3090
I didn't know new cards don't support interlacing, the newest card I have is a GTX 1080 so I've never ran into that
@Pasi123 Yea it's why the GPU pass thru method exists. Using a newer card to render stuff and an older gpu to interlace. Even on a 1080ti it's tough because you can only interlace through the HDMI and you need a high bandwidth DAC. I'm running 2056x1536 interlaced @160hz and it's insane
wouldnt you get combing artifacts though? also a 1080ti doesnt do analog out..
Been watching you since 2013. Love that you're still doing your thing.
dear boy i LOVE MY TRINITRON
I find 4:3 even for first person games perfekt, better than widescreen. In some ways its even more immersive.
No radioactive elements, just lots of delicious lead, to keep the x-rays in.
Makes me wish that some niche manufacturer would take up the challenge and make new CRT's, new and improved even.
Smaller and 4K. The Sony FW900 only can reach 2304 x 1440 as the max.
I believe they can get them to 50 lbs
the whole CRT thing are very expensive to produce, but I heard OLED looks pretty similar and as good as CRT monitors. But if you talking about the desing of fat monitors.. Yeah, they are charming
@@chumpy0nion17 OLED just has accurate colors and contrast as CRT. Nothing else though
4:30 the reason why Linus used the older gpu is to have the system running with no added lag from a signal converter since those 980ti`s and old Titan GPU`s have analog output in them, its not a need its just a "if you want to experience 0 lag on the display then look for these older cards that are now cheap and support analog signals without needing a converter"
My old Philips flat screen CRT is boxed in the bedroom. I'm tempted to give it another run. Cheers.
I've got a trinitron television and 5 pc crts kicking around... im currently using my big NEC primarily. I don't have a problem!
Hey, these CRTs that "top out" at 1280x1024 should actually be run at 1280x960. The former is 5:4 whilst the physical resolution is 4:3. You might be able to squeak out 5 more hertz as compensation which is a bonus.
Also by and large most people will want to use the Startech DP2VGAHD20 adapter, the 375mh pixel clock rate will handle most anything.
I am an absolute CRT fan, although I am playing modern stuff on my 27 inch NEC flat screen. In my collection: Two Sony Trinitron monitors - 21inch Sony Trinitron multiscan E500 and a 19 inch Sony multiscan G400, plus three Trinitron TV´s .- a small and a big 4:3 model, and one wide screen (heavy monsters, with around 140 pounds in weight :) - but in terms of PC CRT gaming, I am absolutely proud on my 24 inch Elsa Ecomo 24H96 wide screen 16:10 monitor with resolution up to 1900x1200 76Hz, a once very expensive CRT for graphic designers, which has cost a ton of money, but I was able to get very cheap. They are probably not perfect in terms of geometry due to their age, but all give a nice image.
uff that Elsa monitor looks amazing
It's actually amusing and cool seeing someone playing CP2077 using a CRT monitor
It looks so much better that it's hard to play it in my IPS now.
@@teksyndicate That's an interesting opinion... but guess it may make sense, since CRT just goes well (in my mind) with a whole cyberpunk theme
Had the opportunity to buy a very well cared for and barely used Mitsubishi 2070SB for dirt cheap but the day before picking it up someone straight up offered 10x what I was going to pay.
I have a Sony CPD-G400 which is a nice little 19 inch monitor and a Sony CPD-G520. I haven't used either in a while but this is making me want to pull one out and play retro shooters on it! I haven't had a ton of time to play games in life recently and I don't really have desk space right now but I might have to have some fun with this one of these next weekends.
I have a "retro" pc with Windows XP installed but it's pretty darn beefy for an XP machine. I've used it with the CPD-G400. Asus Z68 board, i5 2500k, 16GB of 2400 MHz RAM (which on 32 bit XP isn't even addressable beyond 3GB I think!), a GTX 980 with modified drivers for XP, and a Soundblaster audio card with EAX support. I do miss a lot of conveniences from Windows 7 and that's nostalgic itself at this point so I kind of want to upgrade. But I would be losing EAX audio support which is a bit of a bummer.
If you're looking to sell either I'd be interested.
I had some of the best CRTs just before I went over to LCD. The flat screen CRT looked so great and still does back then and today. I had one of those I let a friend use and it stopped working I wish had saved it and repaired it now. I love that you have my favorite all-time anime on there of Bubblegum Crisis. I have the 1080 version. I watched that so much back in the day and still love to. Though 2040 was good it just was not as good as the first BGC. I loved it too. Though BG Crash should never have happened I watch it. I had them all on VSH and then later DVD and now Blueray.
Have you tried Cowboy Bebop? That is a great anime, first tried it from July - November 2023. Don't own a cathode ray tube monitor here, but have an LCD display instead. The anime looked great.
@@thatguyalex2835 You haven't seen anime until you have seen it on a CRT, or a Plasma, even on an RGB-OLED it looks pretty great, those animation frames with smooth raster-scanned motion are a thing of beauty though.
Running a HP p1230 Diamontron. Got it for about 1500 PKR or like $8 at the time. I loved it so much that I sold one of my side 16:9 LCD monitors. Kinda lowkey regret that now but this monitor is so baller that I straight up used it as my daily driver for 6 months before coming to my senses.
This bad boy goes up to 2048*1536i @ 85Hz for pretty games.
1280*960i @ 161Hz for fps games, rhythm or other games that benefit from large fps.
640*480p @ 161Hz for old PC and 6th and some 5th Gen console games.
320*240p @ 161Hz for 5th gen and older console games.
I love this monitor so much. 4:3 is awesome aspect ratio, really artsy and the image is razor sharp even at the native resolution from my LED 16:9 main monitor. At really low resolutions the scanlines are so crispy. The blur and contrast is unmatched. But get real for a second. This monitor in the video and the one I have are amazing for a lot of games old and new. But the newest games are made for LEDs and OLEDs. They are brighter and the darkest spots end up being pitch black on CRTs. That's good but a lot of times there is some visibility on newer monitors which lead to enemies or other pieces of information becoming invisible for CRT users. I've also noticed that older games look bad on modern displays because the games appear to be bright and lacking in contrast. The thing is, on a CRT, the games look perfect and the contrast is returned. CRTs are awesome and retro games are a MUST play on a CRT. Even upres your games or whatever but play them on CRTs. I have extracted so much fun from these dying monitors.
Someday in like 20 years or something, the last CRT is going to be scrapped. I hope there is a CRT made even in the smallest amount by someone using trinatron tech that uses a HDMI input and converts it on board. But that will probably not happen. I implore that people should get as many CRTs as they possibly can have. They can go for really cheap and even free. One neat trick to get them for cheap is by going to ebay or whatever site you use, search for monitor or old monitor and then sort by lowest price. People who use CRT on their listings know at least something about the tech and market and try to get their money's worth. People who just list them as monitors want to rid of them. So help them get rid of them and start using this awesome tech before it dies.
Dedicate all my life for CRT monitor/TV museum :p
You have tought me alot. Thank you for the knowledge sir
I got a p991 trinatron crt monitor it kicks ass overclocked up to 2560x1920 at 85 hz no problem
SONY has an incredible pedigree in TVs. The Trinitron was absolutely legendary
This CRT is still beautiful!
I had no idea CRTs didn't have discrete pixels like LCD displays do. Really interesting!
They still have shadow mask / aperture grill, which means they still have finite color resolution.
Got a Compaq MV920, and old games look wonderful on it with at 640x480 with a simple integer scanline shader. Also, that grayish-purple was part of the style of Sony's VAIO line of PCs.
"Find for a pretty good price."
I constantly look on Craigslist, Facebook marketplace, eBay, Mercari... And CRT computer monitors go for ridiculous prices. Like $100+ with like $60 for shipping. I guess that's a reasonable price for a VGA monitor, considering they were still really expensive 20 years ago. I use a Sharp CRT that I have a SFF Dell Vostro hooked up to it with a RTX Quadro T400 for now, but the composite to HDMI converter doesn't give the best picture lol. Gets the job done though. Nice for playing MAME and some online matches on Fightcade. Anime looks amazing on CRT's btw! I found out Hulu, HBO Max, and UA-cam will fill the screen on 4:3 content if the resolution is set to a 4:3 resolution. Watching the "Joy of Painting" on UA-cam really makes low resolution Bob Ross paintings pop!
I heard people get all these fancy CRTs from various e-waste facilities and schools, hospitals. Maybe you should check those by just emailing them. But I personally would be scared to do such..
Would love to see that video of the adapters for these CRTS! Thanks! 💪
Ahhh the good old days. :)
haha I love you Logan, legendary ending of the video. I played for 33 years and reaching retirement of my gaming days cause of eye tracking tech and all that sizzle. But yes you right, I should consider replaying or playing missed games from the 90s and getting uplifted compare to modern games that are political and capitalistic in nature. I have a pg278qr by asus rog and I'm in love with it, the pixel density and tech is really advance. I play 3D stereo games so I'm gens away from vr or any tech with 3D vision by crappy nvidia that killed that legacy tech. I had a great time gaming this 33 years and learned so much from the stories, dialog choices and reflecting on my personality and heart in them. I wish that you will continue having fun making videos for us and I hope you will make good income from those that can support your endeavours while being inspired by your heart, mind and soul. Keep well Logan and safe.
Bought the Fenek PC Controller.
Love it.
Cyberpunk on a CRT is the new Meta
what game is featured at 4:25? great video btw, love these chunky old screens :)
Cyber Punk truly does come alive on a CRT (amongst most other games).
The only thing you lose out on with modern GPUs is not being able to use interlacing. Which could be useful for really fast refresh rates. So getting these old GPUs, even 1080ti, might be worth something.
I still have a gtx 1070 but honestly the interlace option wasn't really worth it since the MHz on the HDMI to VGA was only 215. At that rating, the picture doesn't look too bright or clear at the peak of 1080p, 60fps (110fps interlaced). It's better to get a dpi to VGA (515Mhz) and get a mid to high tier CRT monitor that can run high fps on progressive scan.
I love those Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 200 monitors, they are great multi use CRTs in that they have C-Sync, Sync-on-Green and the normal HV-Sync, so you can plug in any RGB/component source type you need inc scart with the right cable (such as the Pakapunch cables), perfect for PS2/GC/OGXB via progressive scan, I'd take one over the 2070SB even personally, then again I'd prefer to have both lol. I do have the LaCie Blue IV 22, which uses the 2070SB tube, but the LaCie has higher quality electronics as it's meant for the pro market.
Love the Syndicate wars V1.❤
I see that you are using the mega bezel shader. 😊
bezelception.
Mooooar CRT videos! ❤😂
If you like Morrowind, and you haven't already, i'd suggest the True Night & Darkness Mod for OpenMW. It's not even a mod, just settings to make it darker which is absolutely phenomenal in a Morrowind playthrough. Dark room required of course! Also if you ever get a chance to check out The Dark Mod. Playing this, again in a dark room on a Sony 420GS just has me in shock with how good it looks. Seeing is believing.
I'm actually one of those guys who got a 980ti to see if there was any difference in the experience and to be honest, I can't see any. I don't feel too bad though because the 980ti is still an upgrade to the card I had, the 1050ti.
I miss my 19" Sony Trinitron. I loved it and games looked beautiful. Sadly, it died some time ago.
What adapter did you use for vga to usb?
Have you tried half life with the ray tracing on crt monitors??
Been playing Day of Defeat Source on my CRT recently and it makes me wonder why we ever left CRT technology behind.
Too expensive unfortunately.. but in terms of graphics I heard OLED monitors are pretty alike CRTs, but of cource charming glorious fat cases are no more for monitors :[
beautiful monitor!!
the 980Ti is still enough to drive these crt's perfectly, you're gonna be playing at 1024x768 , 1280x800 or 1280x720 usually, the 980Ti will run modern games at good settings and framerates at those resolutions
can you cover how to find crts for cheap? and the best keywords for searching them up cheaply?
also prices that are good to look for. it can be hard to know if im getting overcharged on something like this.
Well, the the general rule is this: All old CRTs will look better than modern LCD screens. All of them. So, look at the resolution and refresh rate. 1024x768 units should be $100 or so... 1600x1200 could be $200... and 1920x1440 or higher can be $300+. The main thing to ask is this: "is there any burn-in? Is the unit still bright?"
The units can dim over time... My diamondtron is not that bright, but it looks great still... But this Sony is extremely bright. I can't believe how good it looks.
If you want to go down rabbit holes, look into the dot pitch and the type of filter used...
@@teksyndicate thank you. this is helpful.
She's a beaut, Syn!
I have the Dell version of this tube (P992) and it's really nice on my desk. My findings are much like yours 1280x1024@75Hz looks best on this monitor. It needs some work and there's a strange line that can be seen in white scenes like Explorer.
I have three Sony Trinitrons TV’s, but all are flat screens. I’ve been keeping an eye out for a curved screen model, and apparently I need to find a computer monitor, too
5:58 "CRT for consoles" I think you mean a TV style CRT as opposed to a computer monitor CRT.
4:00 even some unbranded adapter i got from jaycar years ago that just converts hdmi to vga still did 1600x1200@60 so i guess i just got lucky with that adapter? i mean some of those adapters list 160 mhz and according to wikipedia 160 mhz is 1280x1024@85 so that converts nicely to 1600x1200@60
basically as far as the adapter i have it doesnt just do 1920x1080@60, but it can do other resolutions and it also lists the monitor plugged into it as the correct model (still your mileage may vary, but the one i got worked just fine)
Are you planning to stream on UA-cam or somewhere else?
Thanks for that last comment. Definitely noticed I'm a better person when doing nostalgic things
Grew up with this monitor. Wish I still had it
Great channel. Would you recommend getting one of these if one already has a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070sb? Also can you recommend a good converter in the UK to achieve 2048x1560 at 86hz, 1600x1200 at 109hz, 1440x1080 at 120hz and 1024x768 at 160hz? Please any help or advise will be much appreciated.
you have one of the best tubes out there, but there's no harm in getting more tubes if you've got the space for it. I have a Vention USB-C to VGA converter and it works great with my FW900 at highest specs. No need for Delocks or Startechs imo.
@@adamplechaty Thanks for that pal. Much appreciated
Thank you, Ward, I have two questions. First, do you have problems with your eyes? Because sometimes when you work with old technology it could be painful. And Second, question, do you have protection for a screen(Fellowes Privacy Screen Filter)? Or it's not necessary?
The res used in the video is 5:4 if anything. Running it at 1024x768 would be better
I wish I had the room for a CRT, but I don't really have any space for a second desk etc. Still, I was born legally blind with 20/200 vision thanks to albinism, so a lot of the imperfections of playing older games on an LCD I don't think I really notice.
Hey bud, any chance of different shipping options to the UK? Paying as much for the shipping as I am for the controller, which is a shame cause those analog sticks do look like they might be the best in the game.
Sadly that's how shipping from the US works it's really easy to get stuff in and really expensive stuff out
I recently grabbed up my old old Eizo 19 Flexscan CRT monitor, but i need to rearrange some stuff in my desk etc
Its been sitting on my coffee table for the past month, but i feel like i need to find someone in the Netherlands to take there hands on it and replace probably some of the capacitors.
Yeah OLED still needs improvements, but I still expect MicroLED to be a better modern successor in time. Still, I wonder when we would see a modern flat tech display with gridless dot made pixels akin to CRT monitor. Maybe in future laser based tech in monitors.
i have my 3070 hooked up to a high end lg crt you should try 4x res down sampling on it it looks mind blowing with a crt new dslr 2x also looks awsome
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I always wondered since kids why playing console on crt looks better and smoother, so this is the answer.
Hi, just today I went to pick up my HMD A440, and I don't know if my expectations were too high regarding my CRT tv, but the picture looked a little weird, less defined, and washed out, kind of bluish, I'm not sure if something needs to be adjusted internally, already checked some options, or maybe if I need a RGB to vga transcoder.
Want a CRT for some old school super Nintendo but have not gotten around to getting one yet
i suggest using a motherboard with a vga out. thats what im using. 4790K inside there and a 1080TI... enough for retroarch and GOG Games. And All the Nightdive remakes. More than enough actually. In Windows 11 Settings in the Graphics area you can select which game uses which GPU... Works lilke a charm. No Adapters... Just right out of VGA to CRT. Works like a dream. Doom 3 here we go...
to clearify... its hooked into the motherboard.... and usually uses the Intel HD Graphics from the CPU... but you can select the 1080 TI in the Graphic Settings in Windows. So i can use the 1080TI for Games.
the adapters video will be much appreciated :)) as I want to use a crt with a steam deck
what are some of the fps games in the video? super interested in these. especially the fps with the staff
Think that game might have been "Amid Evil".
The phrase "if you've never gamed on a CRT" suddenly hit me hard.... I only just now realized how many people haven't. I grew up on Atari 2600 to NES through many years to eventually owning my dream computer monitor which was a 21 inch (well beyond "HD" resolution) specialized IBM graphics monitor. In the mid 2000's it became completely useless but to me at the time I was on top of the world. Anyway, back to the point...... I still can never contemplate younger folks that were never around during basically any of the CRT generation. I'd never say it was good compared to anything later. But some monitors were surprisingly good compared to early LCD at least. refresh rates and resolutions could get quite high. Just size was always a factor.
Im LCD generation, currently trying get my hands on some good CRT monitor to experience it :D
I have a Sony hmd a440 it was used for less than a year and then put into storage maybe I should figure out a way to use it does not have many hours on it
Would love to have a CRT for gaming but the market is almost dead here and I worry that it wouldn't last long anyway as it seems most of the used market has defects.
Sadly. But there are a lot of, at least, average by every means CRT monitors on sales
I thrifted 1 of these a couple of weeks ago but a240r trying to fine some speakers to put on it
I have a 15" CRT monitor but I only use it for retro gaming.
This is so ZORZ! I'm desperately trying to get mine fixed - impossible to find parts!
This looks pretty good but the screen is kinda cut off.
I’ve been looking for a decent crt for a while now and just haven’t found one for a decent price. I don’t know if I’m looking on the wrong sites or search the wrong things but only ones I find are either shit 80s crts or the nice ones that have a $300 asking price. Any tips on where to search?
I would use a CRT monitor, not just TV, with my game console to play modern games, unironically, I would just have an HDMI VGA adapter.
Newer retro consoles like PS2 and Dreamcast look amazing on this... But with the older 240p consoles, I have to run CRT filters because it's just too sharp and high-res on this
they were so beautiful we all threw them away for some reason
Wouldn't a complete dark room be good to capture CRT footage in camera?
Currently playing shadow of Chernobyl on Alienware 25" 240hz because my 4890 in my retro xp died and don't have other overkill gpu to drive 1024x768 at 100hz for my Samsung 20'' crt. Need one of those adapters although I'd still prefer real old hardware,eax and all...I even have my original intellimouse,still the best
Im curious how Enlisted would look on crt. Its a free world war fps that i have been playing alot
How would you say monitors with BFI like the XG2431 compare to a CRT?
How about Nintendo Switch games on CRT monitor?
My goodness, you don't need a QD OLED if you have that CRT. Those colors, contrast ratio and black levels are way too much for your camera.
What adapter do you use to achieve this?
I got an oled monitor and so far i cant go back to lcd or anything else, CRT evolution should be straight to oled\qd-oled
My rig’s motherboard has two pcie 4.0 slots so I got gtx 750ti since it has analog output, good enough for emulation AND it uses 60W max😂 Got the gtx 750ti for like 15 bucks