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Absolute altitude of 300m is likely correct: GPS reports altitude above sea level.
Betaflight sets altitude to zero on arm, to report relative altitude in-flight.
I can confirm, this is correct!
I put a Matek M10Q-5883 in my AtomRC Dolphin wing and while setting everything up in my bedroom I was getting 20 satellites. These things rock.
I have the Flywoo GM10 pro on my chimera 7 and i use it in combination with the vifly gps-mate and the other week i got 32 sats... absolutely incredible unit and fills me with confidence. I managed 3.72km to my goal location and it flew home with RTH perfectly. landed 1.5m away from take off point. I did make sure to use Galileo in the config as i am in the UK, think i will get the m10 chipsets for all my quads now.
On this recommendation I’m going to follow suit 👍 where do you order yours from please mate? 🤝
@@bugsy742 I can't remember actually but the websites i use here in the UK are primarily Yourfpv, Hobbyrc and unmannedtech
I use the HGLRC M100 mini M10gps In combination with the vifly GPS mate and Betaflight 4.4.1 and I am getting similar performance. The other day I was curious so I did a RTH test with my mini 3 pro, Air 2s, avata, and my 2 diy fpv drones. We all know how good DJI's GPS and return to home functionality is so I was super excited when both of my custom built fpv quads landed closer to the take off point than ANY of the DJI drones! They all landed within about 3 meters of their home point but 1 of my quads landed within inches of the landing pad! It was an awesome experience!! And that M100 GPS from HGLRC is like 15mmx15mm so it will literally fit on anything! It's also like $15-$20 and the GPS mate is $15-$20 so for a Max $40 investment, you could *almost* never lose a quad again! (I haven't lost any, knock on wood)
So you can use two gps at the same time? 😍
@@carlochannel5027 no, the vifly gps mate is a gps battery backup and buzzer that goes inline from the fc to the gps and allows you to switch between 3.3v and 5v as well as power the gps unit in between pack changes so you don’t have to reaquire sats every time you power up.
i got the new iflight M10 and it such a huge difference to plug in battery. literally 1 second to 15 sats on lipo swap. and 29 sats while flying. never had so many its insane!
I checked and your property is approximately 300+m above sea level. So that is correct. I believe that when you arm in BF, it will auto-offset the altitude to zero. It does in iNav.
This looks fantastic, and could mean the difference between losing a quad and getting it back, especially in the mountains where you can lose sats easily. I think it's important for people to know that different satellite receivers can't actually "find" sats faster. On a cold start, they all need to download the almanac (as you point out), and while they are doing that, they check for each sat as the entry for it is downloaded. All satellite receivers take the same amount of time to download the almanac (12 and a half minutes), so they all get them at the same "speed". The difference is that more sensitive receivers can detect MORE sats, so although they aren't picking up any particular sat faster than any other receiver (since they all take the exact same amount of time), you will get a lock faster. So it would be correct to say that some receivers will get a lock more quickly, but it wouldn't be correct to say that it finds specific satellites faster. It sort of amounts to the same thing, but it's an important difference. In other words, to find ALL the possible sats, ALL GPS receivers will take the exact same amount of time (12.5 minutes) The other thing to keep in mind is that on a warm start (ie you haven't moved locations and it hasn't been too long since you were powered up), it doesn't have to download the almanac again, which means you will get a lock much, much faster. Some people have issues with their receiver always taking forever to get sats - that's either because you are always cold starting, or because your battery is dead. I've seen lots of cheap GPS receivers ship with dead batteries, leading people to think the receiver is "slow" because it's always cold starting.
I wish betaflight would allow to upload almanacs through usb/serial. Like smartwatch apps do … so before leaving home everyone could just cut this 12m off
@@NikitaShirokov Speedybee could do this; Betaflight already allows serial passthrough required for gps comms. Although I'm pretty sure the way to leave passthrough mode is via FC reset, and that usually means powering down the quad, including the GPS that you just uploaded AssistNow data to..
thank you for helping us understand these details
Vifly GPSMate is the single biggest thing to help GPS. Beyond that, M10 sounds great once BetaFlight fully supports it.
i just did my first fixed wing flight yesterday with the new walksnail unit, and boy what a ripper! it was bouncing between 24-29 sats and i seen it blink 30 for a second
I saw 18-20 sats on cheap bn-220 gps, it greatly depends on the place you fly and amount of interference. Yet, i agree, the better chip, the better. Matek m8q works better than bn220, and this m10 should be even better.
Also, to dramatically improve gps performance, you should power it without esc, e.g. from 4.5v usb pin and let it sit for 30-60 minutes. It will download all possible almanac data and will see 18+ gps very fast next time
In case someone buys one of those smaller ones without compass but you want to have that functionality later, Flywoo is also now selling separate small and light magnetometer (BQNANO v1.0).
Tiny whoop + GPS = ❤❤❤
That looks like a flywoo explorer? I hit gps rescue with 4 sats 100ft over asphalt… the flywoo 18650 battery pack absorbed all the impact and saved the quad 😅
😱😅🤝
Pro tip to get sats FAST: Keep DJI goggles powered OFF until you get fix because the airunit will stay in lower power output this way.
If you have issues with m10 then you should try 4.5 because autoconfig works on them there. I manually configured mine (in ucenter2) but compared to 4.5 with gps autoconfig and got the similar gps performance.
I will edit this after I finish watching if I need to add or change anything 😊
even more pro tip: disable checks for number of sats, plug in and just fly for a minute and you will pick up all the sats you need. Come back and and land so that it will enable GPS Rescue and you're good to go.
Yeah the fly around method definitely works. If you have M8 chip GPS units, I suggest doing the fly around method!
@@William_NS no need. I get 7 to 8 sat. on my BN220 or m8q5883 in a minute or two. And when I fly I get 14 to 16 in less than 6 min
I love my Matek M10. Always get 25-32 sats in under a minute.
I have been using the Matek ones. Not sure what chip those are but they lock at least that fast as well. You need to go to the CLI and find the item with hdop in the name and turn that on. That will put the hdop value after the sat count in the OSD. Super useful if using GPS rescue.
what does hdop represent?
@@ShizzelBodizel Accuracy errors, it's a great gauge for how reliable your position is. Far better than judging by the number of sats.
@@ShizzelBodizel You know when you open maps on your smart phone and it draws a circle around the pin to let you know how accurate the fix is? HDOP let’s you know how accurate the GPS thinks the fix is. The number of satellites does not tell you that. The smaller the number the better the fix. A value of 1 is good but I typically see 0.5.
that's mostly right, hdop shows how accurate the horizontal gps position is likely to be as a function of the relative position of the satellites. If they're all in one place in the sky hdop is high, when they're spread out it gets lower. Ublox gps actually output an accuracy estimate that takes more things into account that does what you described. So I guess simple answer is yeah it's roughly the position accuracy.
@@JustinHunnicutt It's not the GPS sats being all in one place in the sky. That's impossible. There are more than enough to cover the sky. What it is, is the sats being blocked by terrain or other objects. HDOP is usually only considered on the ground or low flying aircraft. It's useless above a few hundred feet AGL, as there's nothing to block sats.
In Betaflight 4.5 there will be gps related improvements.
All Ublox gps will benefit from this, so M8 as well.
Faster locks and more satellites expected because dynamic models and full power mode is default now.
You can already test these if you flash 4.5-zulu.
Proper M10 configuration and better auto-baud is coming as well because it's kinda broken now.
Shielding your gps wire also can help to get faster locks.
Do you have to shield all the wires? And what is the best way to do that
@@mikk2006 yes, if you can shield the whole wire that's the best. You also have to ground it after with a wire.
There are tapes from copper/aluminum etc which works nicely but I just used a stripped wire around the gps cable(soldered to GND on the FC) wrapped it to tinfoil and then wrapped again with heatshrink. Kind of beefy like this but it works. Copper tape would be the best solution tho
@@ASDosjani i have matek m10 here, since my m8q broke down.
The plan is now to twist all wires together. Solder an extra ground and wrap that arround the gps wires aswell. But you connect 1 end to the fc but where to you connect the other end to?
Also what mount and where do you put your gps? I'm putting it on a 5 inch
@@mikk2006 the grounded wire other end touches the shielding, the tinfoil or copper tape. If you can solder it to the tape that's the best but I just stripped it and wrapped it around the gps wire then wrap it to tinfoil thus the stripped wire touches the shielding.
The gps cable is also twisted.
I 3d printed a mount for my vtx antenna and the gps at back of the drone. Behind the frame.
@@ASDosjanithanks! what happens if the gnd touches the carbon? Will it short stuff out?
Battery is not for storage :) it's to make the clock tick when there's no power.
Thank you so much for this video. Im near to my first drohne and without this video i would bought an m8 modules
I have both Flywoo M8, M10 and an iflight M8. Flywoo M10 is at least 4 times faster than its older M8 but iflight M8 is still the fastest. It locks the first 5 satellites in 1.5 minute vs 2.5 minutes on the Flywoo M10 both cold started.
When JB needs to record a video quickly and just uses a DVR xD
love it
For some people with gps fix issue: If twisted shielded cable doesn't work, change your vtx antenna cable! It worked for me on my nazgul evoque 5!
I've been flying an M10 GPS for many months now. Very good GPS. M10's have been out for quite some time now, so I'm a bit surprised this video is out so late...
16 sats is also not that much. I get about 31 sats most days...
are you, really surprised ? 😂
I use M10 on Ardupilot. I got 32 sats all day long. I even use it as altitude source. the performance is great, Cheer!
I think what I use is called a “ gpsmate” that has a beeper built in . Press the button that powers up the small lipo on the unit within a minute 10 sat are locked in , plug in the main lipo and go . I was told the gps finds it hard to get sats due to interference! It works for me for last two years .
Problem was not that the M8 was much worse but the chinese M8 clones… Ublox receivers are rock solid!
I've had up to 18-20 sats on the older m8 chip, 11+ sats is the usual. the cold start wasn't even this long.
I am using a GPS module on my 7" and it can lock satellites in less than a minute. The gps module though is a bit expensive, almost $30. The brand is Rcirocomm and it's a little bigger than my M8
Hope you don't mind your address being public! 😂 awesome video though, and I did indeed learn something today ^__^
i normaly get about 14 sats on an bn220 gps... also it isnt that slow. maybe 3 minuts at max... but i waita little bit longer to get an solid lat/ long reading that doesnt move anymore because sometimes the home isnt that accurate... but it can also be because i use an older version of betaflight...
After noticing how fast I can get a GPS lock, I have put the M10 on my GEPRC CineBot30 and GEPRC Mark5 after getting the M10 (hglrc) on my Flywoo CineRace 20 that came with stock.
I use a BN-880 gps module. I always get a fix with 6 or more satellites in under 45 seconds. it's mounted on an arm that keeps it 50 mm away from all other pcbs.
With the GPS Mate, my M10 would get 20-24 satellites under 2 minutes. GPS Mate fried itself. Having the quad powered up with the GPS it seemed to take MUCH longer (I assume because the o3, rx, and Bluetooth enabled FC cause interference.) I'd love to suggest the GPS Mate, but mine died within 10 flights.
My solution is though, disable the check for number of sats, and for your first flight just fly around and you'll pick up your sats. Come back and land to enable GPS rescue. This negates sitting on the ground heating up while waiting for the first few sats.
When I say, 'under 2 minutes' that simply means that I turned the GPS-mate on and waited around 2 minutes before powering on the quad. It very likely got the required 8 within seconds. Every subsequent flight those days, it instantly had 14+ on boot without powering on the GPS mate.
got gps-mate on 2 of my quads and its worked perfectly for months... wonder why it fried itself?!
I’ve got a GPS mate on a Quadmula and an AOS-UL7, working great and highly recommended.
@@MrRipperfpv idk but it sucks cause with the whole quad powered on I can't get the same number of sats, and can't initially get them as fast without flying around first.
On my Iflight Chimera 7 Pro HD I tend to get 20+ sats👍
i use a BN220 on all my quads. i get a lock even if brand new within 2 min. GOPRO has to be OFF.
Thanks for this video.❤ I have fpv drone with gps and some times take eternity to fine something so i stop almost to use! 😊
I will get this for my first build!
Great video with a whole bunch of geeky, super useful information. 😊👍
I got 14 to 16 sat. on my bn-220 and m8q5883 so this M8 are still good. But you at least need to twist the GPS wires and if you can also wrap them in coper shielding . The biggest enemy of GPS are VTX analog or digital units because of electrical interferences. This can be easily seen if you power GPS ower usb cable (solder gps module on 3.3V or any other pad which is powered over USB cable) and just let GPS to lock on sat. Then look in BF what happen if you plug in the battery. You will see big change in GPS signal loss.
Fantastic review, Joshua! Thanks!!! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I’ve replaced all my cheap gps to Matek M8 prices from $30-50 . On my 6 inch build Inav I fly on M8 around 18-20 satellites. On my betaflight builds Matek M8 in flight 18 sats too. I used to have those cheap M8 which had been poor in acquisitions. Matek has been solid for me.
What's the differences besides size and weight of these? Is there an advantage to the largest one besides the compass?
I get 30 plus sats on my BE-220 during flights near the equator.
The last part has me laughing as I tested gps rescue the other day and I fell out of the sky lol. I forgot to up the power output on the vtx and forgot to put antennas on my googles so I lost video. Then I forgot which switch I set for gps rescue since only one of my drones has a gps
I often get between 12-14 sats with my M8 recievers while in flight, that is acceptable for my needs, My DJI FPV locks 24 sats in no time at the same location.
That’s true..I’ve been try it in Indonesia 😁👍
was expecting way better results. And I thought my Beitian BN220 was slow... Maybe that specific quad is noisy or the location is the problem
cold boot
@@hapsti yeah I know. I was talking about cold start
I always get 14+ satellites on my geprc M8u, even though it has an M8 chip
I bought the Flywoo Goku gm10 pro v3 gps with compass, but cannot find the compass orientation. It is not marked anywhere. Their website has a picture which further confuses things... anyone know what the orientation is?
Thanks for sharing, I'm happy flying your yard in liftoff but if you feel like inviting me over, I know where to go.
I got this one. Went from 0 sats inside to 11 inside my house. And from 14 on the field to 32.
I got 12 sats in 45 seconds and 22 in a bit more than a minute
I upgraded to an M10 gps chip today. it locked onto 9 sats sitting on my desk inside the room. Then during the test flight, it locked onto 19 sats!
Beidou system pronounce as bay-dough, named after the Big Dipper in the night sky which ancient Chinese people and so do many others use to navigate at night
Hey man can you do another budget FPV build video? Feel like it's been a while and am curious what you would make as of now
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@@JoshuaBardwell guess I didn't look hard enough.. Thanks!
I usually get 15-23 sata normally with my hglrc m80 pro
Now it makes sense why m8 gps modules were so cheap around Christmas time 😅
you read my mind I just bought be-880 from amazon which I can cancel now and get those
i have the bigger, red color flywoo gps, inside i got like 10 sats quickly and its on my heewing t1 ranger build cant wait to fly it
Upgrade now*!
*when betaflight 4.5 drops
Will be getting a couple of these soon though.
cool vid thank you, will upgrade asap! also: tomorrow, random people flying in your yard.
Do these new GPS receivers have the same interference issues as older ones? I'd guess so, but if this new chip also helps with that, that would be super cool.
The m10s have some new functionality that helps allot with small antennas so weak signals I think so it's likely to help with interference. There's actually a function in ucenter that let's you measure frequency and strength of interference like you might with an sdr. I remember checking it out a while back so it might be a little different than I stated but the concept is right.
A good hack is pulling your DJI antenna out of the TPU mount while you are finding sats
Hey Joshua, do you have any experience with the national geographic action cams? Like the explorer 6 which is only 140$
Just bought a Foxeer 120 GPS, I have wrapped the wires except the live wire in Copper tape and then insulated them so it cant make any connections on my Fc.
I finds 6 maybe more sats in a minute.
As soon as I attach the top plate of my quad, it stops all gps signals.
I have tried copper tape on the underside of the top plate, stops signals
Tried plastic plate as a test, stops signal
The gps is located at the rear like yours and I cant put the cables on the outside at branches ect could easily catch them.
I have done everything I can think of
Help welcome
The M10 gps is great! 20 sats within a minute and rises up to 30 or more.
What I dont get is, why are you so enthousiast while the gps is super super slow in your video?
I bet the reason it shows 300m is because it's measuring your height above mean sea level and your place is around 1000ft msl.
not sure the reason, but once you start flying it fixes itself.
@@UnrulyRotors Yeah, there's a tickbox in betaflight that sets your current altitude as zero once you arm. You can actually untick that box if you want to see your altitude in msl.
@@OldManCassius the alternative altitude mine shows might want to be MSL, but it is incorrect😅
Just saw 20 sats yesterday on my Beitan BN-880...
5inch, analog, bn220, 20-22 sats on open space, cold start is about 4-6 minutes🤷
While with my old M8 i get a fix within around 30s - the new great M10 does not get a fix at all. And I'm on Betaflight 4.5 :(
I get 13 sats on my 7" with a bn220. I'd say it's pretty good lol
do you have a video on how to setup the compass with these devices? even though i have magnetometer checked when flashing and checked in config., it is still greyed out for me unfortunately and not working
Would ya'll say that internal shielding (via electrical tape) is the key success factor, due to interference, of any kind ? ??
"Put this fan back on my air unit" LMAO
This is so much worse than all my M8 GPS modules. I usually get a cold start lock (6 sats) in under a minute, sometimes under 30 seconds, and then a warm start almost instantly. I usually get up to 10-20 sats as well in the air, and I get them on the ground for a warm start. It's so much about placement on the quad, BNF manufacturers mess this up so badly and people think it's the GPS module's fault. Put your M8 on an arm and see how much better it is than this...
I can't find any document about what or why they gave us the gold foil?
Question, I fly a FLYWING FW450 heli and I want to upgrade the GPS antenna. This GPS also has a compass within. FlyWing wants 50-60 bucks for its new GPS antenna. Do u know if this antenna will work on the FlyWing FW450 Heli? If so, would I have to modify it in any way? Thanks
What is the best way to use the supplied copper sheet they send with the GPS?
what about these ardusimple rtk gps units, they've got a UART output, how do we connect that to a flight controller?
My old bn180 also fix 16-18 sats. What I’m doing wrong? My DJI drone has 32 sats receiving
What can be done for a bad gps on the lyzrc L900 pro drone??
I have the gold one.
And then I also have a couple Beitian brand gps units, and Quescan ones.
??????
Damn Josh, you are broadcasting your location at home...... Lat Long..... on OSD
I guess I just like to live dangerously.
Can you do a gps rescue video with an M10? My foxeer 250 consistently gets 20 sats sitting in my office. I'm wondering if this would improve accuracy. I would try it myself but I'm waiting on a new stack as I fried mine. I'm also a noob who hasn't left his back yard yet....
Does these m10 chip work with a F4 fc? I cannot get these two to talk to each other, checked the wiring 100 times and tried literally every baud rate. I tried even another uart and even another F4 fc... I have the version with compass so I connected the I2C wires too. M8 chip was working fine. Thanks!
Does copper foil tape applied to wires practically improve performance????
Hi I´ve a SpeedyBee F405 V3 with BE252i the GPS works but the i2c compass is not recognized, did you know if this compass is compatible with betafligth 4.3.2 BTFL? Thanks in advance!!
Hi JB, does this GPS work in KISS FC?
Whats wearied this year is that My BN-220's in my birds, last year max sat's for all was 14, this year my first flight, 17 -18 sat's. So what happened ? more sat's in space? I will upgrade to this when my 220's go dead. Thanks
Hello Joshua, thanks for all your FPV videos, i really appreciate, Im a drone pilot and I boiught this GPS GEP-M8U module, but is not compatible with my Cinelog25, I was wondering if you know if its possible to connect this GPS module to my car? Or maybe you know who knows :)
in your interview with Brodie Reed you said that new zealand has restrictive rules, what are they?
I have a flywoo goku gm10 pro v3 and it drops sats the instant i throttle up...
Have got a m10 v3 from flywoo but I have 6 satellites after more than 15 minutes helpppppppppp 😢
Here imat my location in EU/Ro i get a lot of stats with M8, over 12.... Quite fast. I'm not in te forest.
Question : Can you use no barometer on return to home and Land, what about hoover?
I'm not sure what to think about JB's enthusiasm - I regularly get over a dozen sats with my 15$ Beitian BN-220 when I enable Galileo. Is this because I fly in Europe?
One of my Matek gps sometimes goes to 20 satellites!
Matek M8Q5883 gets me 20+ sats in So Cal and Hawaii. I tried the M10 but I guess Betaflight didn’t like it yet. So does anyone know what version started working with the M10? I still want to give it a go.
Tomorrow's video will show how to fix the m10. Or it's linked in the video description. Betaflight 4.5 will have the permanent fix.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks man! I’ve definitely learned something today! 🤙
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With no vtx powered on 3 min m8 still good saving.
Hello! I want to build my first FPV drone, which weighs around 610g. I want to have a fully black drone and thought of the IFlight Xing 2's 2207 in black with 1750 kv. I would use the Gemfan Hurricane JB edition. Would 1750kv be to weak for such an drone and should I get the Xing 2's with 1855kv? Would there be a substantial speed difference? I want to fly 6s.
Your the best
Does it make a difference if I have 15 or 30 sats?
I'm having the same problem with the altitude, how can you fix that?