Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated 👍🏻. Glad the videos are helpful. I think the Stoeger is a good second hand buy, especially seeing as they seem pretty tough and respond well to a bit of tuning. Is yours the version with the wood stock?
@@nickvending9688 Mine is identical to the version in your video, although I think is has had a tune up at some point, either that or I've got the elusive responsive trigger. Once again great videos 👍
It could be worth checking if someone has fitted a bearing in the trigger assembly, that could be why the trigger is working well. I would have done it to the gun in the series but there wasn't the budget for it. Good choice with the composite stock, they are pretty tough.
nice one mate 👍 cool video for sure . i hate those clips always come off ok but normally ping one all around the room putting them back on 😂😂😂 piston weights well it’s a subject that’s for sure . i find it usually slows down the gun and you get more recoil as the weight slams up the piston . but not buy a massive amount. top hat made of lighter stuff speeds up the process and can take a bit of the twang away with a good piston sleeve and guide as for power hard to say for me as i put spring to set up using and adjust to get the power were i want it
Thanks Paul, much appreciated 👍🏻. Glad it isn't just me that has that problem with the clips. I've never understood why piston weights are fitted, as you say a decent non-metallic top hat does a much better job.
Nice mate. I rebuilt mine. New spring. New top hat delrin. New spring guild delrin. Piston sleeve.. and a new trigger.. wow its a different gun mate Lot mates all got hw95s still out do them on range and hunting lol 😆
When I first shot it I couldn't believe how badly it grouped. I filmed a pellet testing video but the results were so bad that I figured I would get backlash and accusations that it was me that couldn't shoot (the internet is an odd place sometimes) so I didn't post it. I did show the targets in a project update video. When I tested the gun over the Chrony the results suggested there was a problem, hence the teardown and repair video. The trigger still needs improvement but due to perfectly understandable budget constraints from the owner I won't be doing the RC bearing mod. I did think about buying the wooden stock version for myself and start the process again from a new rifle to see if it is any better. Maybe later this year. What trigger did you fit, was it the Charlie D Tuna?
Thank you, much appreciated 👍🏻. It is interesting to see how many guns are the same design inside, makes me wonder if they are made in the same factory or whether the designs are copied over and over again.
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated. Sorry to hear that you are having problems with your Stoeger. I'm glad the video was helpful and I hope you can get it fixed. Let me know if you need any further information.
Interesting. The internals appear to be identical to old SMK19's. 34 coils. 3mm wire 240mm long. 18.6mm o/s dia.TWC Do the original spring for £13. My replacement spring raised the power from 9.6ft/lb to 11.2ft/lb..This whole power plant look identical. A different stock and looks completely modern.
It wouldn't surprise me if it is the same gun, just with a couple of tweaks and a different stock. Thank you for the info, I've bought from TWC before. In theory I've got the right spring in my box of bits 🤞
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated 👍🏻. Apologies yes, I should have mentioned that. Each time I've removed a piston seal it has been because it was scrap, so I just proceeded on autopilot. I must learn to give more information when I'm filming. I use the hot water treatment to fit the new piston seals, still a nerve wracking process though.
i just got one like it its far better than the old wooden stock £120 i got 20 years ago only thing is it shooots to the right and not too sure if it me or the scope too used to iron sights is 100% silicon oil any good for oiling and cleaning barle
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated. Is the scope at the limit of its adjustment or can you zero it to bring the point of impact where you want it? I wouldn't use silicon oil, it can cause galling. Bisley, Express or Napier gun oils are best for lubrication. Browning Legia spray for protection from corrosion. Personally I don't clean airgun barrels unless it was dieseling, I prefer to let the lead build up as a lubricant and coating in the barrel. I only clean the barrel if accuracy goes or if I've used old or dry pellets.
End of scope,was touching the barrel that would never zero so did you put it on for video if not whats going on with the scope touching just before the loading port
Hello thank you for your comment much appreciated 👍🏻. As mentioned in the video, I didn't fit the scope, the gun came to me for work. There is actually a tiny gap between the objective and the cylinder, the objective is adjustable and it turns freely when fitted to the rifle. So while yes it looks close, it is not actually touching. I think that the gun's accuracy issues are internal, we shall see after the rebuild.
Interesting to see what is inside! Have you ever taken the Gamo apart? Mine seems to diesel a bit after a lack of use (then it goes to normal in a few shots and sets about trying to kill the attached scope).
Hello Ian, hope all is well. I haven't taken the Gamo apart yet but I will be fairly soon to fit a different trigger blade so it will be interesting. My Gamo likes to kill scopes too, however the mighty Richter Optik is putting up a good fight at the moment.
Gamo is slighty different but almost easier (the trigger comes out with the tube cap) But I aint even trying to put them beartraps back on! haha _[Wich is a bonus to me since you can decock your rifles]_
hi Nick I've got the Stoeger A30 s2 could you tell me if this gun is also known as the Stoeger x20, my spring has broken and cant seem to find anything for my A30, everything i find is for x20. many thanks for any info.
Hello Thank you for your comment much appreciated. Sorry to hear that your spring broke. From the pictures of the A30 that I've seen I think they are basically the same as the X20. If you are in the UK it looks like you are limited to a Titan spring, no.11 I believe but please check that before buyingas I'm going by info on one seller's website. I'd bet it will push power up over the 12ftln limit, so please make sure the rifle is chronograph tested after fitting the spring and check it again after you've used it a bit. I don't like fitting Totan springs because of having to alter them, but they do damp.down spring reverb and they do last well. The spring I fitted was a Titan No.6 spring from a Mk6 BSA Meteor, as you can see it needed a lot of work. Hope this helps, let me know if you need anything else.
Seems like a titan xs no.11 spring will fit this nicely. Very tempted great informative and tuition video. Have you modded the trigger at all as it gets some horrific reviews?
All I did to the trigger was change the screw for a longer one. It is still terrible, but at least now it is a bit lighter. There is a mod using a roller bearing from a radio control car, I haven't tried it due to not having anything suitable in my stash of Tamiya spare parts.
@@nickvending9688 Awesome tip on the bearing. I have plenty of tamiya ww2 1/35 armour kits in my stash but no RC. I wasn't planning on spending over 200-300 on a cheap plinker/beater, and I wont be shooting at great distances nor that often most likely. In your humble opinion I've seen a s/h stoger x20 for £170 or a s/h bsa lighting xl tactical (prefer tactical to wood), for £275 on guntrader, which would you recommend? The cheapskate in me favours the x20
£170 seems way too much for a second hand X20, I thought they weren't that price new. For me out of those two it would be the BSA, while they have their issues they are much better than the Stoegers. The trigger is better too. For £275 I reckon you could get a s/h Weihrauch. A Richter Optik scope in a decent one piece mount is ideal without breaking the bank.
@@nickvending9688 Admittedly £170 is a tad excessive, obviously I have looked at full retail price on other websites. Generally speaking they sell for 180 brand new I've seen some as little as 130 on offer, but they had sold out. I'm a sucker for the tactical aesthetics man. The Weihrauch HW97's ticks the boxes and looks sexi, especially with some of the laminates they supply but the price is rather more than i'd like to spend, I will have a look on guntrader. Thank you for your advice
Hi Nick, I was given a stoeger ATAC suppressor which is similar but gas ram. I need Pictures of the trigger arrangement spring location as it was in bits when I received it. Can you help a brother out
It's the spring guide. It is an odd design and won't be helping with the harshness of the shot cycle. As far as I could tell, removing it will rob power because it adds preload to the spring, also locates the spring properly. Perhaps try adding a non metal spacer between the spring and the guide. If you are in a country with airgun power limits you would then need to check that the spacer hasn't made it too powerful, you'd need to shorten the spring to bring the power back down.
You need some sort of spring guide, if nothing else to position the spring correctly. So you'd need to replace it with something the same dimensions but made from a non metallic material.
Hi ,I have the R X 40 and have put a small ball race into the trigger which reduces the trigger travel,can you offer any suggestions on how to reduce the pull weight ? Thanks for any help.
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated. Have you tried a longer adjustment screw? Just be careful that you don't have the same issues that I had.
I had taken that screw out completely,I still have it so will use it as an example for a longer one, I did not catch your previous post, what issues did you have ?thanks
I had to carefully select the adjustment screw because if it was too long the gun would not cock, if it was backed out it would come loose (which made no sense seeing as in theory it is under tension). I wasn't able to do the bearing modification on this rifle due to lack of budget from the owner (hence almost no new parts beyond the seals). I know some people totally remove the adjustment screw when they do the bearing mod and some leave it in. Sometimes the bearing modification can cause the trigger to stick after the first stage, so if it is released without fully pulling the trigger it won't return to the start of the first stage, which doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
Hi Nick, found an 11mm long 3mm cap screw and installed it just to the point I felt some resistance did not attempt to go any further. The gun cocks,saftey works,no discharge on severe bump test, time to squeeze the trigger, almost hair trigger, tried it 5 times and the results the same, one huge change from a 6 pound drag to soft as. Easy to hold for free hand shooting as your trigger finger now does not pull the rifle off targer. Many thanks for your suggestion about the screw ,it works.
Hello Steve, happy new year to you too. I was aiming to run the HW95 over the Chronograph today, then take a view on how to proceed. I'm pretty sure it has an Oxpower spring - it will be interesting. I'm torn between the inevitable TBT kit or whether to go for a V-Mach kit.
@@nickvending9688 I've got 3 - one with TBT short stoke and Titan Spring with a home turned Guide (possibly the nicest with least felt recoil/surge), One with V-Mach (a bit snappy) and one with the SFS Spring, Guide and their 'red' piston seal (very soft action but nice). All good, all different but all very accurate, which as they are early Mk 1's I attribute to the 'superior?' barrel. I'm considering fitting one of ARC's Glided pistons shortly, which was always the plan until Steve (RIP) passed away.
@@stevepowell3475 hello, apologies for the delay in responding. I'm waiting to hear back from Lyn about the pistons. Thank you for the information, I will let you know what route I take.
I've just bought the same Stoeger (second hand from a reputable store) so these videos have come at the perfect time for me. Thank you
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated 👍🏻. Glad the videos are helpful. I think the Stoeger is a good second hand buy, especially seeing as they seem pretty tough and respond well to a bit of tuning. Is yours the version with the wood stock?
@@nickvending9688 Mine is identical to the version in your video, although I think is has had a tune up at some point, either that or I've got the elusive responsive trigger. Once again great videos 👍
It could be worth checking if someone has fitted a bearing in the trigger assembly, that could be why the trigger is working well. I would have done it to the gun in the series but there wasn't the budget for it.
Good choice with the composite stock, they are pretty tough.
nice one mate 👍 cool video for sure . i hate those clips always come off ok but normally ping one all around the room putting them back on 😂😂😂 piston weights well it’s a subject that’s for sure . i find it usually slows down the gun and you get more recoil as the weight slams up the piston . but not buy a massive amount. top hat made of lighter stuff speeds up the process and can take a bit of the twang away with a good piston sleeve and guide as for power hard to say for me as i put spring to set up using and adjust to get the power were i want it
Thanks Paul, much appreciated 👍🏻. Glad it isn't just me that has that problem with the clips. I've never understood why piston weights are fitted, as you say a decent non-metallic top hat does a much better job.
Nice mate. I rebuilt mine. New spring. New top hat delrin. New spring guild delrin. Piston sleeve.. and a new trigger.. wow its a different gun mate
Lot mates all got hw95s still out do them on range and hunting lol 😆
Thank you, yes it made a real difference. The gun is performing much better now. Hoping to do the final touches and get the final episode out soon.
Oh really mate be nice to watch great videos u do buddy 👍 what do think to the stoeger. I thought once modified it was completely different gun
When I first shot it I couldn't believe how badly it grouped. I filmed a pellet testing video but the results were so bad that I figured I would get backlash and accusations that it was me that couldn't shoot (the internet is an odd place sometimes) so I didn't post it.
I did show the targets in a project update video.
When I tested the gun over the Chrony the results suggested there was a problem, hence the teardown and repair video.
The trigger still needs improvement but due to perfectly understandable budget constraints from the owner I won't be doing the RC bearing mod.
I did think about buying the wooden stock version for myself and start the process again from a new rifle to see if it is any better. Maybe later this year.
What trigger did you fit, was it the Charlie D Tuna?
Oh really mate. I fitted a trigger from welsh willy.. it really is a different gun defo worth doing
Ah ok. Thanks for that 👍🏻
Nice disassembly 👍. Looks quite a bit like a Crosman on the inside, trigger, bear-trap, ect.
Thank you, much appreciated 👍🏻.
It is interesting to see how many guns are the same design inside, makes me wonder if they are made in the same factory or whether the designs are copied over and over again.
Thank you for the video have the same gun I plan to check my spring an piston cause lost all power
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated. Sorry to hear that you are having problems with your Stoeger. I'm glad the video was helpful and I hope you can get it fixed.
Let me know if you need any further information.
A very Happy New Year Nick 👍🏻
Thank you, happy new year to you too.
Interesting. The internals appear to be identical to old SMK19's. 34 coils. 3mm wire 240mm long. 18.6mm o/s dia.TWC Do the original spring for £13. My replacement spring raised the power from 9.6ft/lb to 11.2ft/lb..This whole power plant look identical. A different stock and looks completely modern.
It wouldn't surprise me if it is the same gun, just with a couple of tweaks and a different stock. Thank you for the info, I've bought from TWC before. In theory I've got the right spring in my box of bits 🤞
Dip your piston and seal in some hot water if you want to hang onto the original seal. I am sure you know this already just thought I would mention it
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated 👍🏻.
Apologies yes, I should have mentioned that.
Each time I've removed a piston seal it has been because it was scrap, so I just proceeded on autopilot. I must learn to give more information when I'm filming.
I use the hot water treatment to fit the new piston seals, still a nerve wracking process though.
I do like the black plastic.
It does have a meaty look to it. It actually isn't bad ergonomics wise. Just a shame the rifle isn't performing.
i just got one like it its far better than the old wooden stock £120 i got 20 years ago only thing is it shooots to the right and not too sure if it me or the scope too used to iron sights is 100% silicon oil any good for oiling and cleaning barle
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated. Is the scope at the limit of its adjustment or can you zero it to bring the point of impact where you want it?
I wouldn't use silicon oil, it can cause galling.
Bisley, Express or Napier gun oils are best for lubrication. Browning Legia spray for protection from corrosion. Personally I don't clean airgun barrels unless it was dieseling, I prefer to let the lead build up as a lubricant and coating in the barrel. I only clean the barrel if accuracy goes or if I've used old or dry pellets.
End of scope,was touching the barrel that would never zero so did you put it on for video if not whats going on with the scope touching just before the loading port
Hello thank you for your comment much appreciated 👍🏻.
As mentioned in the video, I didn't fit the scope, the gun came to me for work. There is actually a tiny gap between the objective and the cylinder, the objective is adjustable and it turns freely when fitted to the rifle. So while yes it looks close, it is not actually touching.
I think that the gun's accuracy issues are internal, we shall see after the rebuild.
Interesting to see what is inside! Have you ever taken the Gamo apart? Mine seems to diesel a bit after a lack of use (then it goes to normal in a few shots and sets about trying to kill the attached scope).
Hello Ian, hope all is well. I haven't taken the Gamo apart yet but I will be fairly soon to fit a different trigger blade so it will be interesting.
My Gamo likes to kill scopes too, however the mighty Richter Optik is putting up a good fight at the moment.
Gamo is slighty different but almost easier (the trigger comes out with the tube cap)
But I aint even trying to put them beartraps back on! haha
_[Wich is a bonus to me since you can decock your rifles]_
hi Nick I've got the Stoeger A30 s2 could you tell me if this gun is also known as the Stoeger x20, my spring has broken and cant seem to find anything for my A30, everything i find is for x20. many thanks for any info.
Hello
Thank you for your comment much appreciated.
Sorry to hear that your spring broke.
From the pictures of the A30 that I've seen I think they are basically the same as the X20.
If you are in the UK it looks like you are limited to a Titan spring, no.11 I believe but please check that before buyingas I'm going by info on one seller's website. I'd bet it will push power up over the 12ftln limit, so please make sure the rifle is chronograph tested after fitting the spring and check it again after you've used it a bit.
I don't like fitting Totan springs because of having to alter them, but they do damp.down spring reverb and they do last well.
The spring I fitted was a Titan No.6 spring from a Mk6 BSA Meteor, as you can see it needed a lot of work.
Hope this helps, let me know if you need anything else.
Tell me that this is not coming from the same factory that makes Crosman parts without laughing! Haha
Yep, I don't think I'd be able to do that 😉.
Either the same factory or shared design.
Looks exactly like a Crosman, lol.
Have you replaced the gas ram with a coil spring;
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated.
This rifle came from the factory with a spring.
Seems like a titan xs no.11 spring will fit this nicely. Very tempted
great informative and tuition video. Have you modded the trigger at all as it gets some horrific reviews?
All I did to the trigger was change the screw for a longer one. It is still terrible, but at least now it is a bit lighter. There is a mod using a roller bearing from a radio control car, I haven't tried it due to not having anything suitable in my stash of Tamiya spare parts.
@@nickvending9688 Awesome tip on the bearing. I have plenty of tamiya ww2 1/35 armour kits in my stash but no RC.
I wasn't planning on spending over 200-300 on a cheap plinker/beater, and I wont be shooting at great distances nor that often most likely. In your humble opinion I've seen a s/h stoger x20 for £170 or a s/h bsa lighting xl tactical (prefer tactical to wood), for £275 on guntrader, which would you recommend? The cheapskate in me favours the x20
£170 seems way too much for a second hand X20, I thought they weren't that price new.
For me out of those two it would be the BSA, while they have their issues they are much better than the Stoegers. The trigger is better too.
For £275 I reckon you could get a s/h Weihrauch. A Richter Optik scope in a decent one piece mount is ideal without breaking the bank.
@@nickvending9688 Admittedly £170 is a tad excessive, obviously I have looked at full retail price on other websites. Generally speaking they sell for 180 brand new I've seen some as little as 130 on offer, but they had sold out. I'm a sucker for the tactical aesthetics man. The Weihrauch HW97's ticks the boxes and looks sexi, especially with some of the laminates they supply but the price is rather more than i'd like to spend, I will have a look on guntrader.
Thank you for your advice
Hi Nick, I was given a stoeger ATAC suppressor which is similar but gas ram. I need Pictures of the trigger arrangement spring location as it was in bits when I received it. Can you help a brother out
Hello Tim
Please could you send me an email. My email address is in the video description.
Many thanks
Nick
What is the sencond piece on the spring guide? Like pyramid.. is this necessary? Can you remove it completly? And insert only a ring?
It's the spring guide. It is an odd design and won't be helping with the harshness of the shot cycle. As far as I could tell, removing it will rob power because it adds preload to the spring, also locates the spring properly. Perhaps try adding a non metal spacer between the spring and the guide. If you are in a country with airgun power limits you would then need to check that the spacer hasn't made it too powerful, you'd need to shorten the spring to bring the power back down.
@@nickvending9688 what are the dimensions of the spring? Length?
@dimitrisvouts6623 sorry, I didn't take measurements at the time.
@@nickvending9688 can i remove it completly and put a plastic ring and a bigger in lennth spring to increase power?
You need some sort of spring guide, if nothing else to position the spring correctly. So you'd need to replace it with something the same dimensions but made from a non metallic material.
Hi ,I have the R X 40 and have put a small ball race into the trigger which reduces the trigger travel,can you offer any suggestions on how to reduce the pull weight ? Thanks for any help.
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated.
Have you tried a longer adjustment screw? Just be careful that you don't have the same issues that I had.
I had taken that screw out completely,I still have it so will use it as an example for a longer one, I did not catch your previous post, what issues did you have ?thanks
I had to carefully select the adjustment screw because if it was too long the gun would not cock, if it was backed out it would come loose (which made no sense seeing as in theory it is under tension).
I wasn't able to do the bearing modification on this rifle due to lack of budget from the owner (hence almost no new parts beyond the seals). I know some people totally remove the adjustment screw when they do the bearing mod and some leave it in.
Sometimes the bearing modification can cause the trigger to stick after the first stage, so if it is released without fully pulling the trigger it won't return to the start of the first stage, which doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
Thanks Nick, I will try the screw and if it reduces the pull weight i think a drop of blue locltite should retain it. Will keep ypou posted.
Hi Nick, found an 11mm long 3mm cap screw and installed it just to the point I felt some resistance did not attempt to go any further. The gun cocks,saftey works,no discharge on severe bump test, time to squeeze the trigger, almost hair trigger, tried it 5 times and the results the same, one huge change from a 6 pound drag to soft as. Easy to hold for free hand shooting as your trigger finger now does not pull the rifle off targer. Many thanks for your suggestion about the screw ,it works.
Happy New Year - Keep up the great work. Have you decided on what route you're taking on the 95 Yet? I'm sure its going to be well viewed ( ;-{)>
Hello Steve, happy new year to you too. I was aiming to run the HW95 over the Chronograph today, then take a view on how to proceed. I'm pretty sure it has an Oxpower spring - it will be interesting.
I'm torn between the inevitable TBT kit or whether to go for a V-Mach kit.
@@nickvending9688 I've got 3 - one with TBT short stoke and Titan Spring with a home turned Guide (possibly the nicest with least felt recoil/surge), One with V-Mach (a bit snappy) and one with the SFS Spring, Guide and their 'red' piston seal (very soft action but nice). All good, all different but all very accurate, which as they are early Mk 1's I attribute to the 'superior?' barrel. I'm considering fitting one of ARC's Glided pistons shortly, which was always the plan until Steve (RIP) passed away.
@@stevepowell3475 hello, apologies for the delay in responding. I'm waiting to hear back from Lyn about the pistons. Thank you for the information, I will let you know what route I take.