I'm very excited for this evolution. Budget DLP is a game changer. Now we'll have access to using industrial resins from Loctite and BASF for starters.
@@mikelang4191 How is it a game changer when anycubic photon dlp printer was released in 2019, yet elegoo sla printer still is more popular until today?
@@impulsiveurge5837 Apparently there is some confusion/misunderstandings with DLP and SLA. Based on how this machine is said to work, this is to me a true SLA 3D printer, ditching all other DLP competitors. Am I missing something on the specs?
@@impulsiveurge5837 the Anycubic Photon is a mSLA printer, using an LCD screen to mask the UV light source, creating layers for exposure. The Photon Ultra is a DLP printer, using light source and focusable mirrors to expose print area. Very different technology.
I would like seeing comparisons side by side of miniatures, compared to the Sonic 4K and the Elegoo Mars 4K! I'm sure that would help greatly seeing the differences even better between the two technologies!
If the board isn't "locked" to Chitu, I will definitely be picking some of these up. Thanks for the initial review, Vog. Look forward to seeing you put it through its paces.
I would imagine Anycubic are having similar discussions with CBox to Elegoo. CBox are the ones that need to be nervous. Manufacturers will move to other boards. Only this morning I was contacted by a Kickstarter developing an OS Board. CBox need to be afraid... and I suspect they are.
I don't mind all the plastic as long as it's "good" plastic. But having the design where you have to slide the resin tray in just seems like such a bad idea. I've liked the designs where it self locates and you drop the bolts in from the top. Can't wait to see where this goes in a few years! Thanks for the review.
Quick breakdown of the video: Coming to Kickstarter September for $399(first 100), $499(regular). Post-Kickstarter it'll be on Amazon for $599. The antialiasing is great. There's no word on if Chitubox is required or not, but VOG didn't complain so probably not. Resolution is claimed as 80 microns, but apparently there's a huge difference between DLC-80micron and LCD-35micron this looks way better. The projector has a claimed 20,000 hour use-time.
From am "All3DP" Article about the differences of DLP and LCD, it says: "Furthermore, the number of pixels on a DLP projector is the same regardless of the size of the print. That means smaller and narrower prints can have higher precision than wider prints done on the same DLP printer. To visualize this effect, think of a photo you’ve taken on your smartphone. As you zoom in on the photo, the sharpness declines. That’s exactly what happens when printing big objects on a DLP printer - they’re “zoomed out”. That said, it’s important to keep in mind that distortion is corrected for on more professional devices, which have better quality components. Additionally, the “zooming out” issue doesn’t necessarily imply that a DLP printer has poor print quality, only that its resolution is more concentrated for smaller prints." So it sounds like the comparison we need is a very large print. Could you do that for us, VOG?
@@facenameple4604 That implies that the light beam size can be changed with lenses (to make it cover a smaller or larger area) which I dont think it's possible in this budget printer.
It's hard to do a large print on such a small printer, and in fairness they are pitching toward small. But as time allows, I'll see what I can come up with 😁
Thank you for the review. Thank you to Ahucubic for allowing hobby masters to use the most advanced 3D printing technologies in their work. That's cool! 👍🏼
Pro-tip from a lady with giants hands fit for a Harlem Globe Trotter: I use the stylus from my tablet as a substitute when touchscreens are on the diminutive side ;-)
Thanks for another fantastic review. I really think you're the top of the class in terms of 3d printer reviews. Yes, Uncle Jessy has the great production value, and I can't forget the support wizardry of the 3dprinting pro... but I believe you are the gold standard in terms of being the most well rounded and most entertaining. I am very glad the manufacturers are sending you such great products to review. I'll have to buy you another coffee/pint/lunch.
Thanks for the review! It blows my mind how a different technology can produce higher quality prints even though the resolution is technically lower than other resin printers. Considering that this is just a first gen, the future is very exciting! One thing I'm not a fan of is the Kickstarter approach. There is pretty much no need for big companies like Anycubic, Creality, etc, to be making Kickstarter campaigns when they already have funds, an established business and a relatively big user/fan base. I'm worried that the final product might be somewhat downgraded, since it's something that has happened with other Kickstarter 3D printers.
I prefer kickstarters for newbies too, but I think I understand why Anycubic wanted a little crown backing for this. For them it is a risk and an expensive one. However, I'm hopeful they'll reap the benefits from this excellent printer.
large companies basically do kickstarter as market research, to gauge interest and potential market. if a product from popular and liked company fails to fund on kickstarter, it means it probably shouldn't be released at all.
Woo Hoo! I agree VOG... This is the beginning of true pro level printing for the home desktop. I send off my jewelry designs to a fella who prints on a Formlabs 2 and frankly as I have recently set my sights on getting into 3D printing on my own (on a budget) I have watched many a review on many 2K and 4K LCD printers and I've only been mildly impressed. They've all seemed... Well... Almost good enough... But the AnyCubic Ultra DLP sets the right and new mark! I've finally found my printer!!!
It’s really a QHD resolution device. No wonder it looks so good for a 720p DMD…each mirror can process 4 pixels. A photon mono is 2560x1680 (2k ish) This is 2048 x 1440 …so very similar…with the MASSIVE advantage of no complicated glass or filter arrays blurring the image.. Without testing for (blur factor) , I’d guess the effective detail this can give is far in excess of all 2K printers and likely better than most 4K.
DLP is defiantly the way to go. The LCD screens have a limited lifetime because they are damaged by the UV light, while with a DLP the lamp will realistically be the only part that needs replacing.
I will definitely be getting one when and if they become available for getting. That Craftsman resin looks like it prints fantastic, my only problem is I cannot dial it in at all. Everything I try fails. If you could get some solid settings from Anycubic on that you would be the Greatest UA-camr ever, well at least in my opinion. Thanks for all your videos.
Looks like a really interesting machine, and once the inevitable (larger) "Ultra X" comes out I think it will be a fine time for an upgrade. I am relatively new to resin machines but the quality is amazing and since I will be making some actual things to sell on it, I can tell already that I'll welcome some more build room. Thanks for the thorough look at this new unit, keep up the great work.
Finally LOL, thanks for the amazing review VOG what I don't like tbh is big companies liek Anycubic , Creality .... doing Kickstarters campaigns to hedge their risk and put it all on the consumer , those big guys have the means to make final product for the end user to enjoy , and leave the crowdfunding route for people who want to launch their ideas and have trouble financing their projects. Just my two cents
I hear you, but I commend Anycubic for doing something so brave. I think they wanted to ease the financially burden and massive risk of going in a new direction, but I suspect it was the right move and others will follow - though lets hope big business leaves kickstarter for those that need it more.
The mold for just the case is probably around $60,000. I don't think most people realize the investment needed to start a new product line and any changes drive that cost up dramatically, some even requiring the production of a completely new mold.
Before I landed on a Uniz 4k printer, I looked at length at DLP units. Naturally I wanted a larger print bed, but good lord, DLPs in larger scale are not for the light of wallet at present writing. This is fairly exciting and a good presentation for the advancement of home-user DLP tech, but I'm going to hold off until a midrange or larger is set for market. I do appreciate that Anycubic is teaming up with reputable partners to try new things nonetheless.
Not going to lie, if I was sent that apricot resin I would be terribly tempted to take a sip of it. I fricken love peach drinking yogurt. Kudos to VOG for not succumbing to the temptation
I have read something on all3dp which may shed some light on the surprising print quality here. [With DLP] "You also have a fixed number of pixels, but, like with a home projector, this can scale up or down, resulting in larger or smaller projections (and therefore pixels.)". I have not seen this information anywhere else, but it does make sense. Smaller models and cross sections will print extremely finely, however large models or full build plate prints will be relatively coarse, which adds an interesting dimension to the printer.
Even the possible Amazon pricing is better than I thought it might be... I absolutely don't need one of these immediately, but assuming other manufacturers are going to follow suit, a DLP machine is the next obvious upgrade when the time does come. Thanks for all the great info, my friend! :-)
I wonder if that since there's no 'screen', you could basically scale up the rest of the printer around the DLP mechanism with no problem, trading build time for area.
There is a screen, but the screen is made up of microscopic aluminum mirrors. These mirrors can be toggled between reflecting light to their pixels and reflecting it to a heatsink. What you're describing is basically an SLA printer, which uses a reflected laser to rapidly cure one point of the build at a time, and indeed, their print time scales with total print volume use, whereas LCD and DPD resin printers only scale with the height of the printed object.
Of course, I just bought an Anycubic Mono X. But the Mono X is printing very good so far and its bigger. I might have to add the Ultra to the collection.
Terrific review Geoff! It looks like an amazing printer! I have a Phrozen S (I think without getting up and looking) but I think I'll give that to my daughter and get one of these! Well done!
Looks promising, thanks! Personally though, I think the print quality of the existing machines is already good enough for most cases. If I was to prioritise improvements I would go... 1) speed, 2) reliability, 3) print quality.
Interesting. Personally I'd flip that completely, 3, 2, 1. For me quality is paramount and speed - well, I can wait a bit longer if I'm getting something better 😁
I think the appeal for this tech is that in the long run, it is far more economical/ecological for those using their printers for commercial use, without the need to replace LCDs.
@@vogman Guess I am less patient than you :-) I just feel that doubling the print quality compared to my Sonic Mini 4K would be a nice to have, but I would barely be able to perceive the difference with the naked eye. Whereas if you could double the print speed, that would have a much bigger impact (particularly if this could be applied to larger printers).
@@jonathanr7754 i agree, i had to print the very particular lid of a box, boxes in general are difficult to print with this resin printer, but quality was required and the fdm can't reach msla's quality and there were too many bridges so I chose to use the mono. Having to wait more than 4 hours to print with a layer height of 0.51 mm is ridiculous when we consider that it also needs more post-production than fdm. It would be great if they found a way to be able to print accurately directly on the print bed, it would save all the printing time of those 3 mm offset that is usually left (it's like 4 minute off for the 0,5 mm layer height). It would also be a lot more helpful to have a faster layer detachment system.
That looks really good for a budget DLP. Thank for the video. I still want to see someone do a hybrid that does the thick material with SLA and the edges with DLP. That way you can significantly improve speeds but still get the print quality of DLP. Though I am sure that would be expensive.
I look forward to buying an Anycubic DLP when they do their 2nd revision in 2years or so. This is great and the price is perfect but I bet the next version will be 100% better! After kinks and issues have been adjusted.
This would explain why AnyCubic have had such bonkers sales on for the last little while, clearing stock and components to make way for the new generation of DLPs. Glad I got in on the Photon S whilst the sale was on though, £120 for a really good quality printer is all I need for now ;)
Reminds me of when the original photon was released 😁 Will be very interesting how it prints cast, could not help but notice how well it copes with the spikes on the amerilabs model 😳
I would love to see the difference in quality of the Mars 3 and this one. Seeing as I annoyingly ordered the Mars 3 before this was announced. I'll be using the printer for minis mainly. So I would guess this one would be better for those tbh, just not sure how much better.
I did do a very cheeky comparison within this video, albeit brief. For me the Ultra one hands down, but it was just one print. Good comparisons need several different types of print. Believe me, there's nothing wrong with the Mars 3. It's a 4K printer with Elegoo reliability, so you will be delighted with your purchase. It will do a great job on minis, especially if you use 4K resins and drop the layer height to 0.35 😁 Hopefully if I finish the video I'm working on right now, there's a nice miniature by Archvillain Games done exactly this way, though it's on the Phrozen Sonic 4K. But trust me, the Mars 3 is very capable.
One of those cheap cellphone/tablet touch-pens should work on a tiny touch-screen and printing a small holder/tray to double-sided tape under the screen should be quick and easy.
I didn't know much about DLP vs LCD. Thanks for the info. Does DLP have an antialiasing technique like LCD does? Looking forward to seeing where things go.
You can use antialiasing though I didn't in all but one of my prints. I suspect the Wolverine print was perfectly done as I think that's excellent (and a test print of course).
Looks good, the DLP TV's were great...but the chips had some flaws with mirrors freezing up creating white spots around the screen like snow. Hopefully this problem will now show up in this use. Love my DLP even though I had to have the mirrors/chip fixed.
I recently picked up the Any cubic zero,, wash/cure station 2.0 & 1l resin for £170 ($200). It's a slow printer but as a newbie its kinda tough to beat that sort of deal :) Looking forward t move over to the Mono X or similar printer next year :)
I just wish it had the build volume of Mars 3 then it'd really be perfect for my needs. Looking forward to what the competition comes up with though, that's what really interests me atm.
@@vogmanagreed. Have to say I'm not familiar with the DLP tech as it was out of practical reach of a hobbyist but it looks quite promising and props to anycubic for bringing the tech into this price segment. Think we'll have a breakthrough once the companies work out the kinks and the prices start to drop. I'm still seeing voxelling on Wolverine's collarbone area for instance but that's just nitpicking. LCDs might even end up being a thing of the past.
Newbie here looking to enhance their table top mini hobby. Is it a good idea to simply skip the recent AnyCubic sale and just fund this kick starter for this printer since it promises better quality prints? Just asking for an opinion.
I have the Mighty 4k and the plastic vat is better than the metal one because avoid the cold and makes lower viscosity. I think for that price better get a Mighty ;)
Thats pretty awesome. I cant quite believe the 80mu either; with other 80mu printers the voxellization is quite evident; pixels being more smeared on an LCD printer might make detail worse, but it should actually hide voxellization; so id expect to see it all the more here? Also some of those details im seeing on your prints are hard to imagine with 80mu; but perhaps they got the AA working really well with this firmware finally (where in my experience the previous generation of resin printers really didnt make the most of that at all). In any case im mostly interested in printing precision parts and im very excited about this, resolution or not. One annoying thing about LCDs is that hte manufacturers do not care much in particular if their pixel aspect ratio is perfectly 1:1; plus you get distortions of the projection across the build plate based on which angle the light is hitting the LCD and what not. Ive worked with DLPs in a scientific instrumentation context before, and while I suppose we have yet to find out what quirks they might present us with in this context, I have high hopes for being able to print things that are dimensionally accurate across the entire build plate. Now just shut up and take my money for one with half the pixel size again.
Can you imagine a printer where you can trade detail for print size? This technology should enable that with some fancy optics. Also, TI mentioned prices much lower than this, so I expect prices to fall fairly rapidly when all the usual manufacturers come out with theirs. Also looking forward to printers based on TI's next generation of these DLP chips that are in the works that should give higher resolution.
With the current number of LCD printers among users, a logical step seems to be the appearance of a proposal for a laser projector, as a KIT set, for upgrading LCD printers in the DLP. Am I wrong about something?
Thank you for the review, Your enthusiasm gives pleasure. I have two questions: Is the checkerboard on the print bed for optical calibration? What about dimensional accuracy? difficult to obtain on printer technologies where light is emitted from a single point ? Could you do an accuracy test with a calibration cross, for example? To see if dimensional accuracy is observed at the edges of the screen.
I have no real idea about the plate patterning. I know that prints stick to it great and the pattern can be seen on the underside of the print raft, which is cool. My guess is that's what it was for. As for accuracy, again this isn't something I've explored.
If this does well I wonder how quickly we'll see mid and large format machines. This tech should scale up larger and cheaper than scaling up mono lcd screens. Very cool and interesting! Thank you again for the video!
Hmm. I would love to see this in a larger model. I know they are just probing the fanbase now. I have a Photon S and it prints really well. I just want a little more size. If this new technology allows for sharper and more detailed prints then I would like it in a larger model. I'm sure its coming.
I had the worst time with the Anycubic Craftsman resin. I had to bump the exposure up to where it was obscuring details in order to get a print to finish.
I used the same settings as they provided and everything stuck great - until after the supports. Usually I'd say it was too heavy, but the resin seems light and viscous enough 😁
I am not quite sure but it seems their projector able to move mico-mirrors diagonally to project sub-pixels. Like AA. What is improving native projector resolution 4x times. So 720p is literally transformed to 5120*2880 and 17.5 microns resolution on a rounded surfaces. But weirdness of such a small resolution is that pixel-pitch size is 70 microns, and it can't project any sharp spike smaller than 70 micrones. And it also can't support any other AA on top of that. So maybe it isn't bad machine as a pioneer or technology and partnership test, but actually market is already ready for something better.
Thanks for the review VOG, great as usual! :) Let's hope the Photon Mono X will be the same and bigger :) Note related to the review itself, but Tomas Wittelsbach is an amazing guy, a true artist and a damn hard worker. You can check his stuff as well at the ZBrush Summit if you are interesting in jewelry sculpting :)
One of the many benefit of being a member of ZBJW is access to Tomas. He's an amazing teacher that makes you think differently. His grasp of ZB is only surpassed by his artistic talent and, above all, approachability. In short - a great guy whom I'm delighted to know personally 😁
Now this is the kind of budget printer I've been waiting for. I'll gladly take a plastic chassis in exchange for better parts. Unfortunately, the price will still be too high for a 'budget' printer.
Price is always subjective. What's cheap for one guy is a fortune to another. But DLPs are typically five figures, so any 3 figures is still impressive.
@@vogman I want to get into sla printing… wondering if I should wait for this one or just get the photon for 130€ and not 499 🤔 are comparisons planed?
If you've never done resin printing, I'd go it as cheaply as possible. The mess isn't for everyone. But even a cheap resin printer can knock spots off an FDM so you'll quickly decide whether you love them or not 😁
I'd say a budget printer would be in the $300 range not $500. That being said, it's new tech for a Chinese company trying to make affordable products so the price tag is almost justified. I said almost because they could've at least made it larger since they don't have the constraints of LCD screens.
Thanks for the excellent review! Curious your thoughts on printing board game figures that will have lots of handling. Slightly concerned about brittleness.
7:37 Looking at the cape bottom, the prints will still have “layer lines” due to the mechanics of the printer (i.e. one layer printed at a time regardless of it being DLP or LCD)??
I'm still learning how to get the best from this printer. If you look at the Wolverine print which was the official "test" print, it's hard to find fault with that.
i would have gone on the kickstarter , it looks quite interesting but the parts size is a bit underwealming unless i was only doing miniatures which isnt really my plan.. but i am keeping my eyes open. thanks for the review
Main problems load the build plate up with loads of models it takes along time printing the LCD doesn't change the amount of time a layer is a layer is fixed time for each layer 2sec etc or 8secs depending on machine
You may be thinking of SLA, DLP does not tale longer, its time is the same for one say ring as a full plate of rings, it works similar to a LCD but with a micro-mirror chip instead of LCD.
DLPs are expansive for a reason ,they all have pixel distortion correction algorithm wich iam sure the ultra anycubic doesnt . This means the prints on the sides will have less details then the center of the build platform because of the Zooming effect .
Hi VOG! how would you say this machine stands against the Saturn 2 hardware quality and detail wise? Im torn between these two, they are in a similar price range . the Saturn 2 has a bigger plate but if the Photon is a better machine with more detailed and a new more future proof technology then maybe its the wiser choice. What do you think? Regards/Ed
Do we know if lychee slicer will still be usable when it comes to market? I hated the supplied anycubic software with my photon mono se, and always used Lychee. If its compatible, I might treat myself to one....
Love your videos , thanks!! When Anycubic announced this , i thought it was underwhelming and that they handed this years sales to Elegoo with the Elegoo 3, wich i bought. Now I feel that I should have waited :( one video that will be great is a comparison between those 2 machines, maybe printing miniature models to be fair, and check the quality for the same prints !
Yes, you would expect more hype. I think they're a little nervous about all the plastic. They've been know for metal printers all along and the Photon S took a hammering from fans who saw plastic, plastic, plastic. But in this instance, they can be forgiven and even congratulated. It's worth it!
They need to get rid of the screens all together. We all have screens in our pockets that are exactly the size of our choosing. And we all have a drawer full of older models that we swear we'll find a use for someday. Add wifi and a web interface to the printer, then any old phone/tablet with a web browser is a dedicated touch screen with a far superior UX than any printer has today
I love all the new awesome resin printers, I really do, but - I dream about some kind of progress in producing a real safe, non toxic, non smelly resin. I believe there's still a lot to improve/discover in this area.
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Cool! The next couple of years looks promising when it comes to resin printers!
Can't wait 😁😁😁
I'm very excited for this evolution. Budget DLP is a game changer. Now we'll have access to using industrial resins from Loctite and BASF for starters.
@@mikelang4191 How is it a game changer when anycubic photon dlp printer was released in 2019, yet elegoo sla printer still is more popular until today?
@@impulsiveurge5837 Apparently there is some confusion/misunderstandings with DLP and SLA. Based on how this machine is said to work, this is to me a true SLA 3D printer, ditching all other DLP competitors. Am I missing something on the specs?
@@impulsiveurge5837 the Anycubic Photon is a mSLA printer, using an LCD screen to mask the UV light source, creating layers for exposure. The Photon Ultra is a DLP printer, using light source and focusable mirrors to expose print area. Very different technology.
I would like seeing comparisons side by side of miniatures, compared to the Sonic 4K and the Elegoo Mars 4K! I'm sure that would help greatly seeing the differences even better between the two technologies!
I'll see what I can do.
@@vogman Awesome! Thank you so much! You're doing god's work here ;P
It would be nice to see quantitative measurements for their claim it outperforms LCD printers with 4 times higher resolution.
@@vogman Any new comparisons? Would love to see them before purchasing my first 3D printer :)
@@vogman any news on the comparison prints?
If the board isn't "locked" to Chitu, I will definitely be picking some of these up. Thanks for the initial review, Vog. Look forward to seeing you put it through its paces.
I would imagine Anycubic are having similar discussions with CBox to Elegoo. CBox are the ones that need to be nervous. Manufacturers will move to other boards. Only this morning I was contacted by a Kickstarter developing an OS Board. CBox need to be afraid... and I suspect they are.
@@vogman OS hardware or just OS firmware? I'm assuming since it's going on KS that they are at least offering a board kit either way.
I don't mind all the plastic as long as it's "good" plastic. But having the design where you have to slide the resin tray in just seems like such a bad idea. I've liked the designs where it self locates and you drop the bolts in from the top. Can't wait to see where this goes in a few years! Thanks for the review.
That wins the internet today!
Mind blowing detail....
Id love to be one of the first 100
Thanks Steve 😁
Quick breakdown of the video:
Coming to Kickstarter September for $399(first 100), $499(regular). Post-Kickstarter it'll be on Amazon for $599.
The antialiasing is great.
There's no word on if Chitubox is required or not, but VOG didn't complain so probably not.
Resolution is claimed as 80 microns, but apparently there's a huge difference between DLC-80micron and LCD-35micron this looks way better.
The projector has a claimed 20,000 hour use-time.
From am "All3DP" Article about the differences of DLP and LCD, it says:
"Furthermore, the number of pixels on a DLP projector is the same regardless of the size of the print. That means smaller and narrower prints can have higher precision than wider prints done on the same DLP printer.
To visualize this effect, think of a photo you’ve taken on your smartphone. As you zoom in on the photo, the sharpness declines. That’s exactly what happens when printing big objects on a DLP printer - they’re “zoomed out”.
That said, it’s important to keep in mind that distortion is corrected for on more professional devices, which have better quality components. Additionally, the “zooming out” issue doesn’t necessarily imply that a DLP printer has poor print quality, only that its resolution is more concentrated for smaller prints."
So it sounds like the comparison we need is a very large print. Could you do that for us, VOG?
@@facenameple4604 That implies that the light beam size can be changed with lenses (to make it cover a smaller or larger area) which I dont think it's possible in this budget printer.
All things considered, this is the printer that tempts me for mini-printing.
That's what the video says, yes 😁
It's hard to do a large print on such a small printer, and in fairness they are pitching toward small. But as time allows, I'll see what I can come up with 😁
I loved the quality of the print! and I as an artist am happy to see a printer that prints the little details we create
I totally agree!
Thank you for the review. Thank you to Ahucubic for allowing hobby masters to use the most advanced 3D printing technologies in their work. That's cool! 👍🏼
Well said!
very quickly becoming one of the best 3D printing channels VOG.
I don't think anyone has anything to fear from me. I just tinker with what I like to see and say what's on my mind 😁
Pro-tip from a lady with giants hands fit for a Harlem Globe Trotter: I use the stylus from my tablet as a substitute when touchscreens are on the diminutive side ;-)
My wife said the same thing to me 😁😁😁
I was just going to suggest this!
Out of all resins I've used, Phrozen aqua blue 4K is by far and away the best, outstanding resin and a great choice! this printer is looking great!
Totally agree!
Thanks for another fantastic review. I really think you're the top of the class in terms of 3d printer reviews. Yes, Uncle Jessy has the great production value, and I can't forget the support wizardry of the 3dprinting pro... but I believe you are the gold standard in terms of being the most well rounded and most entertaining. I am very glad the manufacturers are sending you such great products to review.
I'll have to buy you another coffee/pint/lunch.
Resin printing is evolving like crazy, amazing how far this has come since the Mars1
Fabulous isn't it!
@@vogman I am wishing for SLS to do the same!
Now that would really scare FormLabs
The Kickstarter for this is opening on my birthday… I mean that’s irrelevant to this video… but it’s neat to me.
I'm a Virgo too 😁
Thanks for the review! It blows my mind how a different technology can produce higher quality prints even though the resolution is technically lower than other resin printers. Considering that this is just a first gen, the future is very exciting! One thing I'm not a fan of is the Kickstarter approach. There is pretty much no need for big companies like Anycubic, Creality, etc, to be making Kickstarter campaigns when they already have funds, an established business and a relatively big user/fan base. I'm worried that the final product might be somewhat downgraded, since it's something that has happened with other Kickstarter 3D printers.
I prefer kickstarters for newbies too, but I think I understand why Anycubic wanted a little crown backing for this. For them it is a risk and an expensive one. However, I'm hopeful they'll reap the benefits from this excellent printer.
large companies basically do kickstarter as market research, to gauge interest and potential market. if a product from popular and liked company fails to fund on kickstarter, it means it probably shouldn't be released at all.
Woo Hoo!
I agree VOG... This is the beginning of true pro level printing for the home desktop. I send off my jewelry designs to a fella who prints on a Formlabs 2 and frankly as I have recently set my sights on getting into 3D printing on my own (on a budget) I have watched many a review on many 2K and 4K LCD printers and I've only been mildly impressed. They've all seemed... Well... Almost good enough... But the AnyCubic Ultra DLP sets the right and new mark! I've finally found my printer!!!
I would have to agree. For jewellery, this looks awesome. I'm looking forward to trying a little casting with it myself 😁
It’s really a QHD resolution device. No wonder it looks so good for a 720p DMD…each mirror can process 4 pixels.
A photon mono is 2560x1680 (2k ish)
This is 2048 x 1440 …so very similar…with the MASSIVE advantage of no complicated glass or filter arrays blurring the image..
Without testing for (blur factor) , I’d guess the effective detail this can give is far in excess of all 2K printers and likely better than most 4K.
DLP is defiantly the way to go. The LCD screens have a limited lifetime because they are damaged by the UV light, while with a DLP the lamp will realistically be the only part that needs replacing.
The difference is amazing 😁
I will definitely be getting one when and if they become available for getting. That Craftsman resin looks like it prints fantastic, my only problem is I cannot dial it in at all. Everything I try fails. If you could get some solid settings from Anycubic on that you would be the Greatest UA-camr ever, well at least in my opinion. Thanks for all your videos.
Looks like a really interesting machine, and once the inevitable (larger) "Ultra X" comes out I think it will be a fine time for an upgrade. I am relatively new to resin machines but the quality is amazing and since I will be making some actual things to sell on it, I can tell already that I'll welcome some more build room. Thanks for the thorough look at this new unit, keep up the great work.
I'm looking forward to future DLPs too 😁
Finally LOL, thanks for the amazing review VOG
what I don't like tbh is big companies liek Anycubic , Creality .... doing Kickstarters campaigns to hedge their risk and put it all on the consumer , those big guys have the means to make final product for the end user to enjoy , and leave the crowdfunding route for people who want to launch their ideas and have trouble financing their projects. Just my two cents
I hear you, but I commend Anycubic for doing something so brave. I think they wanted to ease the financially burden and massive risk of going in a new direction, but I suspect it was the right move and others will follow - though lets hope big business leaves kickstarter for those that need it more.
The mold for just the case is probably around $60,000. I don't think most people realize the investment needed to start a new product line and any changes drive that cost up dramatically, some even requiring the production of a completely new mold.
How would it compare against phrozen sonic 4k?
The technology looks great, but I will probably wait a year or so for the inevitable Photon Ultra S that has dual Z-rail axis and other improvements.
It will come 😁
Elagoo Mars Pro Msla Uv Photocurring LCD 3D Printer.
BOOM! ALREADY THERE BABY!
Another awesome review. I can't wait to see what you do with the castable resin.
You and me both!
Do you know how well it prints dice? A lot of handmade dice makers would probably be curious.
Before I landed on a Uniz 4k printer, I looked at length at DLP units. Naturally I wanted a larger print bed, but good lord, DLPs in larger scale are not for the light of wallet at present writing. This is fairly exciting and a good presentation for the advancement of home-user DLP tech, but I'm going to hold off until a midrange or larger is set for market. I do appreciate that Anycubic is teaming up with reputable partners to try new things nonetheless.
Not going to lie, if I was sent that apricot resin I would be terribly tempted to take a sip of it. I fricken love peach drinking yogurt. Kudos to VOG for not succumbing to the temptation
I was going to make that very joke 😁😁😁
@@vogman Hungry minds think alike
I have read something on all3dp which may shed some light on the surprising print quality here.
[With DLP] "You also have a fixed number of pixels, but, like with a home projector, this can scale up or down, resulting in larger or smaller projections (and therefore pixels.)".
I have not seen this information anywhere else, but it does make sense. Smaller models and cross sections will print extremely finely, however large models or full build plate prints will be relatively coarse, which adds an interesting dimension to the printer.
Even the possible Amazon pricing is better than I thought it might be... I absolutely don't need one of these immediately, but assuming other manufacturers are going to follow suit, a DLP machine is the next obvious upgrade when the time does come. Thanks for all the great info, my friend! :-)
Compared to other DLPs it's stupidly cheap. But I agree, I think we're going to see more and more of these 😁
I wonder if that since there's no 'screen', you could basically scale up the rest of the printer around the DLP mechanism with no problem, trading build time for area.
There is a screen, but the screen is made up of microscopic aluminum mirrors. These mirrors can be toggled between reflecting light to their pixels and reflecting it to a heatsink.
What you're describing is basically an SLA printer, which uses a reflected laser to rapidly cure one point of the build at a time, and indeed, their print time scales with total print volume use, whereas LCD and DPD resin printers only scale with the height of the printed object.
Think i might have to go with the Photon instead of the Elegoo Mars 3
Of course, I just bought an Anycubic Mono X. But the Mono X is printing very good so far and its bigger. I might have to add the Ultra to the collection.
Absolutely. The Ultra cannot be a Mono X... eventually maybe, but not for a few years. Right now the X is perfect for big and detailed prints.
Terrific review Geoff! It looks like an amazing printer! I have a Phrozen S (I think without getting up and looking) but I think I'll give that to my daughter and get one of these! Well done!
It's a fabulous printer Dan, honestly.
Looks promising, thanks! Personally though, I think the print quality of the existing machines is already good enough for most cases. If I was to prioritise improvements I would go... 1) speed, 2) reliability, 3) print quality.
Interesting. Personally I'd flip that completely, 3, 2, 1. For me quality is paramount and speed - well, I can wait a bit longer if I'm getting something better 😁
I think the appeal for this tech is that in the long run, it is far more economical/ecological for those using their printers for commercial use, without the need to replace LCDs.
True. 20,000 hours vs 2,000. It's a massive difference. Then factor in less power consumption.
@@vogman Guess I am less patient than you :-) I just feel that doubling the print quality compared to my Sonic Mini 4K would be a nice to have, but I would barely be able to perceive the difference with the naked eye. Whereas if you could double the print speed, that would have a much bigger impact (particularly if this could be applied to larger printers).
@@jonathanr7754 i agree, i had to print the very particular lid of a box, boxes in general are difficult to print with this resin printer, but quality was required and the fdm can't reach msla's quality and there were too many bridges so I chose to use the mono. Having to wait more than 4 hours to print with a layer height of 0.51 mm is ridiculous when we consider that it also needs more post-production than fdm.
It would be great if they found a way to be able to print accurately directly on the print bed, it would save all the printing time of those 3 mm offset that is usually left (it's like 4 minute off for the 0,5 mm layer height). It would also be a lot more helpful to have a faster layer detachment system.
DLP and LCD/SLA is a bit different, this is cool to see how the quality differs. Nice video!
Just been reading about this new printer before. Perfect timing.
I hope it helped 😁
“Built like an elephant with a thyroid problem” is an absolutely incredible line 🤣😂👌
Thanks Charlie 😁
That looks really good for a budget DLP. Thank for the video.
I still want to see someone do a hybrid that does the thick material with SLA and the edges with DLP. That way you can significantly improve speeds but still get the print quality of DLP. Though I am sure that would be expensive.
I think we'll see all kinds of innovations in the near future.
I look forward to buying an Anycubic DLP when they do their 2nd revision in 2years or so. This is great and the price is perfect but I bet the next version will be 100% better! After kinks and issues have been adjusted.
I'm looking forward to that one too 😁
@@vogman Any word of other brands entering DLP? You probably get noticed before all of us for review/preview purposes.
This would explain why AnyCubic have had such bonkers sales on for the last little while, clearing stock and components to make way for the new generation of DLPs. Glad I got in on the Photon S whilst the sale was on though, £120 for a really good quality printer is all I need for now ;)
Reminds me of when the original photon was released 😁
Will be very interesting how it prints cast, could not help but notice how well it copes with the spikes on the amerilabs model 😳
I'm hoping to cast from it soon.
I would love to see the difference in quality of the Mars 3 and this one. Seeing as I annoyingly ordered the Mars 3 before this was announced.
I'll be using the printer for minis mainly. So I would guess this one would be better for those tbh, just not sure how much better.
I did do a very cheeky comparison within this video, albeit brief. For me the Ultra one hands down, but it was just one print. Good comparisons need several different types of print.
Believe me, there's nothing wrong with the Mars 3. It's a 4K printer with Elegoo reliability, so you will be delighted with your purchase. It will do a great job on minis, especially if you use 4K resins and drop the layer height to 0.35 😁
Hopefully if I finish the video I'm working on right now, there's a nice miniature by Archvillain Games done exactly this way, though it's on the Phrozen Sonic 4K. But trust me, the Mars 3 is very capable.
That's incredible. Glad to see they worked out an awesome simple design.
From here it gets even better 😁
This makes me kinda glad I dont have a SLA printer, now I can wait for this one!
Another great review! I am excited to see where and if DLP will catch on and push the market.
One of those cheap cellphone/tablet touch-pens should work on a tiny touch-screen and printing a small holder/tray to double-sided tape under the screen should be quick and easy.
I didn't know much about DLP vs LCD. Thanks for the info. Does DLP have an antialiasing technique like LCD does? Looking forward to seeing where things go.
You can use antialiasing though I didn't in all but one of my prints. I suspect the Wolverine print was perfectly done as I think that's excellent (and a test print of course).
What is DLP wavelength of Ultra? It d be shame if it doesnt support popular LCD resins
It's 405nM like most LCDs 😁
Questions! 1.Are you going to cast that?
2.Do you have a IPad and if so have you tried Nomad Sulpt?
I will be trying to cast from it and yes, I've heard of Nomad, but I use a PC so I've never tried it 😁
Looks good, the DLP TV's were great...but the chips had some flaws with mirrors freezing up creating white spots around the screen like snow. Hopefully this problem will now show up in this use. Love my DLP even though I had to have the mirrors/chip fixed.
I can see why you love it 😁
I've yet to get AnyCubic's craftsman resin to work properly. Pretty sure that was your problem.
For me the first photon will always be the best :)
If you replace some parts it's an amazing printer!
I never had one, but finding people to disagree with you on this is a difficult task. I've heard so many good things 😁
I recently picked up the Any cubic zero,, wash/cure station 2.0 & 1l resin for £170 ($200). It's a slow printer but as a newbie its kinda tough to beat that sort of deal :) Looking forward t move over to the Mono X or similar printer next year :)
An affordable desktop DLP printer at last! Thanks for the review :)
My pleasure!
Your word is always good enough for me!
Seems to work great!
Thanx Geoff! :D
Thanks Cap 😁
Interesting! Thank you for explaining the difference between DLPs and LCDs.
My pleasure!
Wow Those Wings at 10:44 are very impressive from this little printer, detail is amazing on all prints
And that's a true miniature, maybe 75mm at the highest point. Mind you, Archvillain Games do beautiful work 😁
please need an answer to one question. How well it can print models that are on the edges of the build plate and not just in the center?
I just wish it had the build volume of Mars 3 then it'd really be perfect for my needs. Looking forward to what the competition comes up with though, that's what really interests me atm.
Look to mk2 or the first Elegoo version... I think we'll see them both.
@@vogmanagreed. Have to say I'm not familiar with the DLP tech as it was out of practical reach of a hobbyist but it looks quite promising and props to anycubic for bringing the tech into this price segment. Think we'll have a breakthrough once the companies work out the kinks and the prices start to drop. I'm still seeing voxelling on Wolverine's collarbone area for instance but that's just nitpicking. LCDs might even end up being a thing of the past.
Newbie here looking to enhance their table top mini hobby. Is it a good idea to simply skip the recent AnyCubic sale and just fund this kick starter for this printer since it promises better quality prints? Just asking for an opinion.
I have the Mighty 4k and the plastic vat is better than the metal one because avoid the cold and makes lower viscosity. I think for that price better get a Mighty ;)
Incredible detail. Nice small printer indeed :))
It really is!
Thats pretty awesome. I cant quite believe the 80mu either; with other 80mu printers the voxellization is quite evident; pixels being more smeared on an LCD printer might make detail worse, but it should actually hide voxellization; so id expect to see it all the more here? Also some of those details im seeing on your prints are hard to imagine with 80mu; but perhaps they got the AA working really well with this firmware finally (where in my experience the previous generation of resin printers really didnt make the most of that at all).
In any case im mostly interested in printing precision parts and im very excited about this, resolution or not. One annoying thing about LCDs is that hte manufacturers do not care much in particular if their pixel aspect ratio is perfectly 1:1; plus you get distortions of the projection across the build plate based on which angle the light is hitting the LCD and what not. Ive worked with DLPs in a scientific instrumentation context before, and while I suppose we have yet to find out what quirks they might present us with in this context, I have high hopes for being able to print things that are dimensionally accurate across the entire build plate. Now just shut up and take my money for one with half the pixel size again.
Can you imagine a printer where you can trade detail for print size? This technology should enable that with some fancy optics.
Also, TI mentioned prices much lower than this, so I expect prices to fall fairly rapidly when all the usual manufacturers come out with theirs.
Also looking forward to printers based on TI's next generation of these DLP chips that are in the works that should give higher resolution.
Yes, prices can only get better 😁
With the current number of LCD printers among users, a logical step seems to be the appearance of a proposal for a laser projector, as a KIT set, for upgrading LCD printers in the DLP. Am I wrong about something?
Thank you for the review, Your enthusiasm gives pleasure.
I have two questions:
Is the checkerboard on the print bed for optical calibration?
What about dimensional accuracy? difficult to obtain on printer technologies where light is emitted from a single point ?
Could you do an accuracy test with a calibration cross, for example?
To see if dimensional accuracy is observed at the edges of the screen.
I have no real idea about the plate patterning. I know that prints stick to it great and the pattern can be seen on the underside of the print raft, which is cool. My guess is that's what it was for.
As for accuracy, again this isn't something I've explored.
If this does well I wonder how quickly we'll see mid and large format machines. This tech should scale up larger and cheaper than scaling up mono lcd screens. Very cool and interesting! Thank you again for the video!
I think we'll see them in the next couple of years 😁
Hmm. I would love to see this in a larger model. I know they are just probing the fanbase now. I have a Photon S and it prints really well. I just want a little more size. If this new technology allows for sharper and more detailed prints then I would like it in a larger model. I'm sure its coming.
I had the worst time with the Anycubic Craftsman resin. I had to bump the exposure up to where it was obscuring details in order to get a print to finish.
I used the same settings as they provided and everything stuck great - until after the supports. Usually I'd say it was too heavy, but the resin seems light and viscous enough 😁
I am not quite sure but it seems their projector able to move mico-mirrors diagonally to project sub-pixels. Like AA. What is improving native projector resolution 4x times. So 720p is literally transformed to 5120*2880 and 17.5 microns resolution on a rounded surfaces. But weirdness of such a small resolution is that pixel-pitch size is 70 microns, and it can't project any sharp spike smaller than 70 micrones. And it also can't support any other AA on top of that. So maybe it isn't bad machine as a pioneer or technology and partnership test, but actually market is already ready for something better.
yooo , projector printers hitting the hobiest market , nice
Exactly 😁
You might want a little stylus for the screen to get around that problem, print out a little hook and attach it next to the screen?
Great vid. How do you think this will compare to the Phrozen Mini 8K? I'm trying to decide which one to get.
Thanks for the review VOG, great as usual! :) Let's hope the Photon Mono X will be the same and bigger :)
Note related to the review itself, but Tomas Wittelsbach is an amazing guy, a true artist and a damn hard worker. You can check his stuff as well at the ZBrush Summit if you are interesting in jewelry sculpting :)
One of the many benefit of being a member of ZBJW is access to Tomas. He's an amazing teacher that makes you think differently. His grasp of ZB is only surpassed by his artistic talent and, above all, approachability. In short - a great guy whom I'm delighted to know personally 😁
@@vogman I do know him personally as well, we did quite some ZBrush related stuff together :)
Excellent. Then you don't need me to tell you what a great guy he is 😁
Now this is the kind of budget printer I've been waiting for. I'll gladly take a plastic chassis in exchange for better parts. Unfortunately, the price will still be too high for a 'budget' printer.
Price is always subjective. What's cheap for one guy is a fortune to another. But DLPs are typically five figures, so any 3 figures is still impressive.
@@vogman I want to get into sla printing… wondering if I should wait for this one or just get the photon for 130€ and not 499 🤔 are comparisons planed?
If you've never done resin printing, I'd go it as cheaply as possible. The mess isn't for everyone. But even a cheap resin printer can knock spots off an FDM so you'll quickly decide whether you love them or not 😁
I'd say a budget printer would be in the $300 range not $500. That being said, it's new tech for a Chinese company trying to make affordable products so the price tag is almost justified. I said almost because they could've at least made it larger since they don't have the constraints of LCD screens.
you get what you pay for
Thank you for another delightfully honest review :)
And thank you for watching 😁😁😁
But why Anycubic need a Kickstarter?
To help offset the massive investment costs I would guess... they did a lot of research and development for this one
Awesome! Excited about desktop DLP!
Me too. Very impressive. 😁
I'm still confused as to what they mean by LCD vs DLP. Isn't the original photon also a DLP then? It has a projector
How are the print times? Exposure times?
As I said in the video Lance, on par with Mono's. In this case 2 secs and most prints done within a couple of hours 😁
Thanks for the excellent review! Curious your thoughts on printing board game figures that will have lots of handling. Slightly concerned about brittleness.
With the right resin you'd be fine. Something like Siraya Tech Blu should live a long time 😁
Lovely printer Geoff. Im still yet to get a resin printer but this is sure tempting.
Thanks Julian. Be warned, they a GREAT at wasting your time. Hours and hours of fun 😁😁😁
7:37 Looking at the cape bottom, the prints will still have “layer lines” due to the mechanics of the printer (i.e. one layer printed at a time regardless of it being DLP or LCD)??
I'm still learning how to get the best from this printer. If you look at the Wolverine print which was the official "test" print, it's hard to find fault with that.
Since the resin still cures bottom up, you're correct. There's simply no way to do it otherwise.
i would have gone on the kickstarter , it looks quite interesting but the parts size is a bit underwealming unless i was only doing miniatures which isnt really my plan.. but i am keeping my eyes open. thanks for the review
Thanks 😁
Can you make more vids o this please before it releases, I wanna jump on the kickstarter.
Main problems load the build plate up with loads of models it takes along time printing the LCD doesn't change the amount of time a layer is a layer is fixed time for each layer 2sec etc or 8secs depending on machine
You may be thinking of SLA, DLP does not tale longer, its time is the same for one say ring as a full plate of rings, it works similar to a LCD but with a micro-mirror chip instead of LCD.
this is really something new. i am impressed and excited.
The really exciting things will come after this I guess 😁
@@vogman thats for sure. thats why i'm excited.
would like to know the dimensional as opposed to visual accuracy of this
DLPs are expansive for a reason ,they all have pixel distortion correction algorithm wich iam sure the ultra anycubic doesnt . This means the prints on the sides will have less details then the center of the build platform because of the Zooming effect .
I think is what we find in this printer : ua-cam.com/video/977KpDIQ5Ac/v-deo.html
Hi VOG! how would you say this machine stands against the Saturn 2 hardware quality and detail wise? Im torn between these two, they are in a similar price range . the Saturn 2 has a bigger plate but if the Photon is a better machine with more detailed and a new more future proof technology then maybe its the wiser choice. What do you think? Regards/Ed
Uhhhmmmm..... You didn't mention software. What slicer came with it? What else was on the USB drive?
No, I avoided the CBox question as I'm aware things are changing fast thanks to pressure from the printing community.
every time you review something i tell to myself I am gonna buy it, then you review something else and its even better. Glad I resisted mu urge lol
If you saw this video ua-cam.com/video/B0xA8QjkcBA/v-deo.html - that's exactly what I was going for 😁😁😁
Do we know if lychee slicer will still be usable when it comes to market? I hated the supplied anycubic software with my photon mono se, and always used Lychee. If its compatible, I might treat myself to one....
Wow! I need one. Thanks for the review 👍
Thanks for watching!
Love your videos , thanks!! When Anycubic announced this , i thought it was underwhelming and that they handed this years sales to Elegoo with the Elegoo 3, wich i bought. Now I feel that I should have waited :( one video that will be great is a comparison between those 2 machines, maybe printing miniature models to be fair, and check the quality for the same prints !
Yes, you would expect more hype. I think they're a little nervous about all the plastic. They've been know for metal printers all along and the Photon S took a hammering from fans who saw plastic, plastic, plastic. But in this instance, they can be forgiven and even congratulated. It's worth it!
They need to get rid of the screens all together. We all have screens in our pockets that are exactly the size of our choosing. And we all have a drawer full of older models that we swear we'll find a use for someday. Add wifi and a web interface to the printer, then any old phone/tablet with a web browser is a dedicated touch screen with a far superior UX than any printer has today
What an excellent idea 👍
I love all the new awesome resin printers, I really do, but - I dream about some kind of progress in producing a real safe, non toxic, non smelly resin. I believe there's still a lot to improve/discover in this area.
Absolutely. I think resins are improving too... more plant based... less environmental risk, etc.
IMO it’s just better to vent it outside. A quality 4” blower and a clothes dryer hose/vent from the local hardware store will solve the problem.
Great review and blimey that wolverine print is bloody amazing well done mate
Thanks Ian, but I can't take any credit for the skills of others 😁
Thanks u VOG. Next vidio Castable resin print review please
I have a bottle of Bluecast X One that needs reviewing 😁
@@vogman YEAAAHHHHHH :) That's what i wanted!