An easy way to turn reopen chance into the effective "more boxes" is via the geometric series: for x reopen chance (as decimal < 1), the effective more box modifier is 1/(1-x)
How different would this be if we remove the expensive scarab? Yes i know it will be less boxes per map but for example if you cant kill a boss and you dont get multi div dupes per map this is not sustainable to run,overall nice strat for gamba jackpot,i like boxes,just was wondering if you tried it with lower invest strat on t17 as well not on t16 Also what is that kill counter on your right? and how to get it :D
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Farming 8 maps is more profit I think but a bit more Tedious. Each T17 gets me ~25-30 8mod Favorite Map (dunes in my case). The investments is very Low 1xDiv for the map 22c for Scarabs (1x Escalation, 4x Risk), Normal Chisels, ~10c rerolling for 100% Map, 4c Map device Cost = 1.3xDiv per map Profit is 3xDiv from Maps + ~1xDiv drops Map time for me is about 3-4 minutes Investment = 20Div/h, Total is 52xDiv/h , So PROFIT = ~30-32xDiv/h The tedious part is selling the maps with Regex
@@0wn8gep00n few people sell dunes so they sell fast. I have 10 normal tabs and 10 tabs for 110quant. When I fill all 20 tabs I sell and it takes a few hours to sell, Meanwhile I run some dunes to farm up 100 t17s Normal 8mod 15c and 110quant 20c
Just so you know, theres a maximum amount of strongboxes you can spawn in a given map. t17s have very low amounts of tiles that can spawn league mechanics surprisingly. Containment alone sometimes doesn't even spawn all of the boxes it should. So just be weary you might not get the full value of the basic ambush scarabs. 3x ambush + containment should yield 51 boxes before map device, but it does not.
Interesting. Don't feel like that happened along the way, but yeah, makes sense. There's a lot of that in tight maps like Jungle Valley, so a narrow hallway map (which all t17's are) would probably also experience the same issues.
hey man, loving the build and the videos, couple questions here: 1- is the pob in the description updated ? cause i wanted to buy updgrades for my build but i got all u got in that pob except for the mageblood. 2- can you give us the regex for your t16 and t17 maps you're running?
Working on a high-end update! As for regex, it's up to you. The only 100%-cannot-do mod is Monsters Cannot Be Leeched, but you probably also want to dodge Monsters Avoid Ele Ailments and Reduced Block Chance, as well.
Since the maven's chisel adds from the baseline and not multiplicative to your current extra currency, you should rather use it on maps with very high pack size or regular quant. That way you get more bang for your buck.
@@PathofEvening Just to further elaborate: If we look at 4 examples, and assume baseline 100 currency drops: Map 1: 100% quant (Normal chissel), 40% pack size, 180% more currency: 100x2x1.4x2.8 = 784 Map 2: Same as Map 1 with 20% currency chissel: 100x1.8x1.4x3 = 756 Map 3: 190% quant(Normal chissel) 60% pack size, 120% currency: 100x2.9x1.6x2.2=1020 Map 4: Same as Map 2 with 20% currency chissel: 100x2.7x1.6x2.4=1036
@@PathofEvening Redviles has tested abyss and it's good. I've tested it as well and can confirm it's good. You have to roll your maps to at least 179% currency and 115% quant or 200% currency and 100% quant. Then use maven currency chisels + deli orb. Nothing suspicious about it, you just get a lot of chaos, divs, and valdo's. Have to do ziggurat though as apparently it gives you more hoards. You NEED to have the caster mastery though that opens chests because if you don't, you probably won't last like 5 maps from clicking all the hoards and picking up the loot. Cheap to run but takes longer per map
@@jonjones8827 It is also a bit harder. But at least its not boxes. Well, different boxes. I was getting on average 2 raw div/ valdo per map and 1 key per 10 maps. Its does take longer if you fish for altars. Boxes are nice since you can double dip on big drops (like locks). You can run some boxes with abyss to get both (caster mastery is nice qol for boxes also). Highest map I had had almost 700% currency (336% roll) and 300 quant after all modifiers, droped 5 raw div, 4 valdo and a key (maybe there are some threshholds, need to look into more).
@@AshDragonnn people who runs beasts and essence dont run 8mods they want easier clear, also same for people who use speed boss rush builds on mesa etc for invitations
Have been doing a version of this for weeks, fubgun had a vid on it week one or two. Definitely still worth it, sitting on 1300d right now and two chars worth ~2mirror each just from running this.
There's been several videos on this topic, it's pretty much been the same for most of the league, so I don't think itll change much. But I get you haha
@Xtenz01 no, they don't, that's why he was saying he only uses them on high currency rolls. Not sure if it's worth it w the loss to quant, but might run some high currency roll maps and see how it feels. Had my first mb drop doing this strat, so hard to pull away from quant 😅😵
You can feed the math to GPT (or do it yourself if you're feeling like it) and it'll give the break even point at which the reopen chance is more valuable than adding boxes, there's also a Reddit post with the calculations done from a year or so ago
@@PathofEvening Oh, yeah, the change to scarabs was past league, I'm so used to searching info regarding some topic and often the first reddit post that appears is an outdated 4yrs old discussion, that I consider them all old now, yeah it must be from the start of the previous season
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The Brother's card is valued at more than 5 div because it can be doubled using an inscribed ultimatum I believe
Good call!
An easy way to turn reopen chance into the effective "more boxes" is via the geometric series: for x reopen chance (as decimal < 1), the effective more box modifier is 1/(1-x)
Now that's some math!
I'm bout to math
@@PathofEveningsum of a geometric series formula. (1-r^n)/(1-r). r is decimal and n is infinity so it becomes 0.
How different would this be if we remove the expensive scarab? Yes i know it will be less boxes per map but for example if you cant kill a boss and you dont get multi div dupes per map this is not sustainable to run,overall nice strat for gamba jackpot,i like boxes,just was wondering if you tried it with lower invest strat on t17 as well not on t16
Also what is that kill counter on your right? and how to get it :D
Less expensive version works well. The counter is part of a map device MTX
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This dude is now my go to guy for POE. I am pretty new to this game with 200+ hours. The amount of information I get from him is godly.
Will recommend him to anyone playing or want to play poe in a heart beat.
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Brother’s gift can be wagered via inscribed ultimatum. I found this out after asking someone why they were buying it from me for 5.2 divs.
True, good call.
"i fed them to my map bozos in town" LOL
That's their name now
cost to run: 3.5d / run
returns from map : Average 3D/map (ive run over 100 maps, i can say with certainty, its either very good or very bad)
Yup, there's definitely RNG.
Farming 8 maps is more profit I think but a bit more Tedious. Each T17 gets me ~25-30 8mod Favorite Map (dunes in my case). The investments is very Low 1xDiv for the map 22c for Scarabs (1x Escalation, 4x Risk), Normal Chisels, ~10c rerolling for 100% Map, 4c Map device
Cost = 1.3xDiv per map
Profit is 3xDiv from Maps + ~1xDiv drops
Map time for me is about 3-4 minutes
Investment = 20Div/h, Total is 52xDiv/h , So PROFIT = ~30-32xDiv/h
The tedious part is selling the maps with Regex
Correct across the board. We don't like being annoyed
How fast are you selling your maps? Sometimes I have a quad tab of maps sitting there for a few hours not able to sell
@@0wn8gep00n few people sell dunes so they sell fast.
I have 10 normal tabs and 10 tabs for 110quant.
When I fill all 20 tabs I sell and it takes a few hours to sell,
Meanwhile I run some dunes to farm up 100 t17s
Normal 8mod 15c and 110quant 20c
@@0wn8gep00n i sell my istantly in discord sold more then 20k maps this season
Just so you know, theres a maximum amount of strongboxes you can spawn in a given map. t17s have very low amounts of tiles that can spawn league mechanics surprisingly. Containment alone sometimes doesn't even spawn all of the boxes it should. So just be weary you might not get the full value of the basic ambush scarabs. 3x ambush + containment should yield 51 boxes before map device, but it does not.
Interesting. Don't feel like that happened along the way, but yeah, makes sense. There's a lot of that in tight maps like Jungle Valley, so a narrow hallway map (which all t17's are) would probably also experience the same issues.
@@PathofEvening Ziggurat actually had the highest amount of total possible boxes in my testing for Fubgun earlier in the league, fwiw.
So on that basis, would blocking as many league mechanics as possible be essential in maximizing strongbox spawns?
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Is it better that we should add beyond to the map ? I mean more mobs more loots right ?
If you want to, you can, but you'll go slower.
hey man, loving the build and the videos, couple questions here:
1- is the pob in the description updated ? cause i wanted to buy updgrades for my build but i got all u got in that pob except for the mageblood.
2- can you give us the regex for your t16 and t17 maps you're running?
Working on a high-end update! As for regex, it's up to you. The only 100%-cannot-do mod is Monsters Cannot Be Leeched, but you probably also want to dodge Monsters Avoid Ele Ailments and Reduced Block Chance, as well.
@@PathofEvening ty man much love
Since the maven's chisel adds from the baseline and not multiplicative to your current extra currency, you should rather use it on maps with very high pack size or regular quant. That way you get more bang for your buck.
Noted.
@@PathofEvening
Just to further elaborate:
If we look at 4 examples, and assume baseline 100 currency drops:
Map 1:
100% quant (Normal chissel), 40% pack size, 180% more currency:
100x2x1.4x2.8 = 784
Map 2:
Same as Map 1 with 20% currency chissel:
100x1.8x1.4x3 = 756
Map 3:
190% quant(Normal chissel) 60% pack size, 120% currency:
100x2.9x1.6x2.2=1020
Map 4:
Same as Map 2 with 20% currency chissel:
100x2.7x1.6x2.4=1036
Ok
After testing this and abyss hoards for raw currency farming they seem to be almost identical. Only abyss scarabs cost nothing.
Do you have a strategy you can outline? Scarabs, tree, etc.?
Seems fishy. Worth looking into, but very suspicious.
@@PathofEvening Redviles has tested abyss and it's good. I've tested it as well and can confirm it's good. You have to roll your maps to at least 179% currency and 115% quant or 200% currency and 100% quant. Then use maven currency chisels + deli orb. Nothing suspicious about it, you just get a lot of chaos, divs, and valdo's. Have to do ziggurat though as apparently it gives you more hoards.
You NEED to have the caster mastery though that opens chests because if you don't, you probably won't last like 5 maps from clicking all the hoards and picking up the loot. Cheap to run but takes longer per map
@@jonjones8827 It is also a bit harder. But at least its not boxes. Well, different boxes. I was getting on average 2 raw div/ valdo per map and 1 key per 10 maps. Its does take longer if you fish for altars. Boxes are nice since you can double dip on big drops (like locks). You can run some boxes with abyss to get both (caster mastery is nice qol for boxes also). Highest map I had had almost 700% currency (336% roll) and 300 quant after all modifiers, droped 5 raw div, 4 valdo and a key (maybe there are some threshholds, need to look into more).
Ok
Is there a limit on how high % can roll? I have maps with 250-290% scarab drops and/or 240% currency drops. Is that just pure rng?
No artificial limit. You're only able to get 8 mods, so there's some potential ceiling, but nothing hard-coded.
Any chance u could do a t17 map drop farm strat? Dropping t17 maps atm for me is like 1 in 5 maps (8 modded with some cart scarbs)
Yes!
but non 8-mod maps are non sellable! its just a junk. Correct me if i m wrong?
Not for npc mapper.
Bingo.
T16 are 3 4 c each in bulk mate easy money
@@weeedlovver7619 explain how
@@AshDragonnn people who runs beasts and essence dont run 8mods they want easier clear, also same for people who use speed boss rush builds on mesa etc for invitations
what belt are you using?
Mageblood.
roll all the maps to 190% currency then chisel, then run smooths out the inconsistencies
Yup.
Interesting to see your feedback on the maven chisels. I know they dont affect boxes, but i might start using them on my ~200+ currency rolls. GGs!
Great!
til I learn about maven chisel! great job!
Glad to spread the word!
I'm just gocerned I'll lose all my money if I fuck up once on one of these lmao. But it's good to see you posting this. I can do some t17s.
Yup, that's definitely a concern with any high-value strategy!
Great video as usual ❤ can we provide us regex for map t17 I have same your build
Here you go: "!eec|ail|ur$"
@@PathofEvening thanks
Yep
Aren't tinctures warden only?
Nope.
@@ssj4megaman only warden can use 2 tinctures at the same time iirc, every other class is limited to one
Did you have to post this, i'm trying to get to 100 and this looks dangerous. :)
If you're trying to level, don't do t17's! They're dangerous! Stay safe! =)
If I have to click boxes AGAIN for the 1200th time I’m gonna end it all 💀
=|
heres my strat spend 400 div on a character to make it all back by next league
Sounds fine.
And with this post, the strat becomes not worth it anymore 😅
Lol, maybe in the first few weeks of a league, but the secret's definitely out on expensive strongbox farming!
Have been doing a version of this for weeks, fubgun had a vid on it week one or two. Definitely still worth it, sitting on 1300d right now and two chars worth ~2mirror each just from running this.
There's been several videos on this topic, it's pretty much been the same for most of the league, so I don't think itll change much. But I get you haha
Currency maven chisels dont work on strongboxes afaik.
@Xtenz01 no, they don't, that's why he was saying he only uses them on high currency rolls. Not sure if it's worth it w the loss to quant, but might run some high currency roll maps and see how it feels. Had my first mb drop doing this strat, so hard to pull away from quant 😅😵
You can feed the math to GPT (or do it yourself if you're feeling like it) and it'll give the break even point at which the reopen chance is more valuable than adding boxes, there's also a Reddit post with the calculations done from a year or so ago
Well, probably not a year ago given that the scarab's only like 4 months old, but yeah.
@@PathofEvening Oh, yeah, the change to scarabs was past league, I'm so used to searching info regarding some topic and often the first reddit post that appears is an outdated 4yrs old discussion, that I consider them all old now, yeah it must be from the start of the previous season
That 140 ward is irking me lol
It's free DR!