@@LuckyGunner Would love to see some content on non-typical calibers for CCW/defense (.38 Super, .410 gauge/.45LC revolvers, 7.62x25 Tokarev, 9x25 Dillon, etc)!
If you had someone running a Demonstrated Concepts style birdshead shotgun for this test, would you change anything? Since the default position is even more compact than the CQB stocked position I assume the ordinary cheekweld can be used the whole time? Thanks for the test!
Chris I have been watching your content for over 7-8 years and have enjoyed each of them. You see I come from a military and Diplomat Security background of 40 years. I just find it enjoyable to watch and learn from someone who’s not a Navy Seal or something. Not everyone wants to be a “Operator”. You fill a gap for those who just want to have gun knowledge and skill sets on how to use them. ☘️ Keep up the good work.
2:06 A quick warning about the cqb technique... I think it should be "There will be bloody noses using those 3 1/2" magnums every time... use target loads, lol"
I was taught by Rob Haught many years ago to wear a Nomex glove when grabbing your BBL with your thumb. Otherwise you will burn it after multiple rounds. I have seen his son hold the SG differently without the glove.
It is. Being nitpicky here, There is also another advantage of being lefty, malfunctions. It's definitely easier to just simply look down and see what the hell is going on inside your gun. Other people need to break grip etc etc to view their chamber. All I have to do is glance because well the chamber is right there. Umm lots of people don't look first they will try and tap rack and get nothing and then look, I just say save yourself some time and look right. I can say at least for me I feel it's easier to clear malfunctions on something like an AR-15 than a right handed person but thats just because I feel my right hand is closer to everything going on with the whole gun parts. I also love shooting suppressed. Getting all that gas right back in my face nose and eyes man I love it really makes me enjoy being lefty.
I took the symtac course. I have been shooting shotguns for fifty years. I have been doing it wrong for fifty years. Great instruction. Class was about 1/2 LE. I have a Benelli M4. It ran great. I did get a chance to try a Beretta 1301. That is a turbo gun, and also sexy looking and expensive. Edit: my shotgun is an M2. I have trouble remembering which is which.
@@onpsxmember It was the tactical model. The Beretta rep for North America brought it to the class, and several people in the class already had them. It handled beautifully, was completely reliable with both #8 c heap birdshot and 00 buck. Edit: sorry, senior moment, my Benelli is an M2, a very light gun suitable for walking style hunting and competition.
Chris, thanks for sharing this drill! Based on your earlier SBS & semi-auto reviews, I chose a 1301 with Matchsaver (holds a slug), six mixed 00/slug on a side card, and cruiser ready with a ghost load. For my reload training I’m using a 0.65 full choke (from Kicks) for #7.5 shot. I load one in the mag tube, ghost load one, and one each in the side card and Matchsaver. I rack the ghost load, fire from the mag tube, then reload from the Matchsaver and more slowly from the side card. The full choke allows me to see focused hits from even 10 yards and the recoil is closer to 00.
@5:24 Hey everybody!! Come look at the only guntuber I've ever witnessed address proper shotgun reloading technique. Come look at him!!! @6:01 He did it! He REALLY did it! Come look! @6:51 Toot that horn, Sir. I'm not crying. Something got in my eye.'' @7:24 My GOD! He's just GIVING away GOLD this man is!
We do a basic practical shotgun class to go with our handgun classes. Our experience with our new/newer shooters is that the over-the-top reload is both a little faster and more reliable, excepting guns like autoloaders with bolt release buttons that are down low and forward. We have them try both and the large majority settles on over-the-top. Do like this drill- it really does hit the important points. I am considering adding it but modified for birdshot on steel plates, as we use for our main range drills. We get quite a few women and almost all of them decline using slugs given that reduced-recoil ones are normally not available on hand in the store. Count us as fans of the Tactaload Flash-5 for Mossberg and Remington slide-action guns (we like that term better as more descriptive than "pump" and relating better to handguns). More reliable, secure, and ambidextrous than sidesaddles. Maybe even slightly faster, especially for filling the tube. After two and half years of doing the shotgun class, I will have to say I learn more from doing the class than I ever imagined, even more than our stock-in-trade handgun intros. Get quite a few interesting anecdotes from it, too. About that 77-year-old lady with the brand-new, unfired, tricked-out Shockwave Shock-N-Saw...
If one fumbles the single loaded shell under stress when it doesn't get in from the top right away it may fall. If it falls and one loads from below the hand is right there to give it another try. Just a thought, both viable.
very nice! you can rock the gun to your right just about an inch (not much) and it speeds up the under hand reload. appreciate the content, love me some shotgun stuff!!
Chris continues to put out content that aligns with my obscure and specific interests. I’m starting to wonder if he’s me, but with a cooler job and better beard.
Someone said Federal isn’t producing the LE 8 pellet Flite Control shells any more. True? I’ve never found anything that grouped tighter at any distance, even their own 9 pellet shells. That 9th pellet almost always widens the group. Thanks for the content. Excellent as always.
When you have both of your rotator cups fully replaced (like I did), show me you doing that "CQC" technique. I had to modify my gun positioning to be closer to the sternum.
I feel like for a Double Barrel, you could simply do CQB close, body far, reload, body far, headshot far. One less shot but retains that singular reload on what will likely be a longer reload. I bring this up only because I want to run this drill when I get my first shotgun off Layaway, but it is a double barrel.
Nope, gotta do all five shots :) In all seriousness though, I think a four-shot variation would be a fine test for a double, but for our classes, it's always going to be a 5-shot test :)
Chris, I did the CQ shots with slugs during a 1 on 1 shotgun course I attended in August. I can attest that black eyes are possible. Especially when you have a short length of pull. Ouch.
I thought we were well past the idea that the over the shoulder "cqc" technique you use is effective at all. How about just tucking it Under your arm. i find it much faster and accurate to shoot and easier to transition to shoulder. over the shoulder is silly
That 870 of yours is so fricking TIGHT I want to get a 12 gauge but was thinking of the A300 Patrol rather than pump. Ideally afterwards I'd SBS it and get the barrel chopped a bit like your sexy ass 870. Nice job on the skill test big 🐕
The problem with chopping a semi-auto is that shortening the barrel can interfere with how the gas system operates. The 1301, for example, can't be shortened unless the gas system is then tuned appropriately, and I'm told that even then it would likely not be reliable with as wide a range of ammo. I would love to see a SBS A300 or 1301, but I'm not aware of any custom shops who would do that work and can guarantee the gun would run. Right now, your best bet for something similar would be a Remington Tac13 converted to an SBS with a Form 1 and a stock added.
@@LuckyGunnerAhhh yes that is a good point. I just like that 870 you have and didn't consider the implications for the semi-auto version of it. Well poop. Will need to decide between a Mossberg 500 SBS or the A300 probably then.
Every Remington 870 I’ve ever shot has been a real bitch to load due to that silly loading spoon that invariably pinches your thumb tip. By about the 10th round, your thumb’s a bloody mess. I’ll take my Mossberg please.
Great content and a fantastic run. I love all your videos and I think the folks at Lucky Gunner ought to let you decorate that studio to your taste. It's looking a bit bland. Maybe not full on Manny Mansfield but some personal touches would be nice.
I mean this in appreciation, but I think Chris Baker has single-handedly scared me away from using pump action shotguns for defensive uses. With all the complicated controls, shell and pump manipulations, and possible user-induced malfunctions, I don't trust myself to deal with all these in a life or death situation. The simplicity of the concept belies the complexity of reality. Thanks for the great content, please continue to make these informative videos.
Greater operational complexity is a fair argument. On the other hand, tens of thousands of marginally-trained LEOs managed to make pump guns work in fights for 100+ years.
Have the Haughts commented on running a Demonstrated Concepts style birdshead shotgun for this test? Since the default position is even more compact than the CQB stocked position I assume the ordinary cheekweld can be used the whole time. Thanks!
Oh no. I thought this video was gonna talk about video game shotguns. I use to play this zombie mmo video game way back in 2009. When come to shotguns you start off with a 20 gauge and you work your way up to 10 gauge. Jokes aside. Chris. Will you consider doing this using different gauges?
What's your thoughts on or experience reguarding the H&R 870 clones? Just recently passed along my 20ga Pardner Pump & would like to pick up a 12ga, like I should of done in the 1st place.
I used to do this a lot years ago, but I always thought the range was long for a defensive drill. Am I wrong? Some buds and I decided to bring the far target closer to emulate an in-home situation more realistically. Similar to the drill "El Presidente." It was still challenging because none of our guns had todays sight options. Lotta fun, but getting expensive now.
It's not really meant to be a defensive drill, but more of a test of mechanical skills. The 10y target is a better test of one's recoil control and precision than doing it at 3 yards. Plus, I have at least one 10y shot across my house's interior, so it's by no means outside the normal effective range of the shotgun.
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Hardly any shotgun content out, thanks Chris and everyone at Lucky Gunner.
You're welcome! We're hoping to get out more shotgun stuff next year.
@@LuckyGunner Would love to see some content on non-typical calibers for CCW/defense (.38 Super, .410 gauge/.45LC revolvers, 7.62x25 Tokarev, 9x25 Dillon, etc)!
@@LuckyGunner5.7x28 vs .22 TCM would be another awesome topic as well! Battle of the boutique high-velocity .22-caliber pistol cartridges.
Well done on the 4.69 seconds! The reload was truly “A thing of beauty”.
Chris, that is the fastest pump-gun run I've seen. Absolutely amazeballs. That reload was butter.
If you had someone running a Demonstrated Concepts style birdshead shotgun for this test, would you change anything? Since the default position is even more compact than the CQB stocked position I assume the ordinary cheekweld can be used the whole time?
Thanks for the test!
@@spencerm8271 When Rhett came through our class a few years back, he just ran the whole thing cheeki-breeki style.
Chris I have been watching your content for over 7-8 years and have enjoyed each of them. You see I come from a military and Diplomat Security background of 40 years. I just find it enjoyable to watch and learn from someone who’s not a Navy Seal or something. Not everyone wants to be a “Operator”. You fill a gap for those who just want to have gun knowledge and skill sets on how to use them. ☘️ Keep up the good work.
I'm a simple man; I see a lucky gunner video, I duck out of work, hide in a closet, put on my headphones, get my notepad out, and enjoy.
Extremely high likelihood it will be worthwhile when Chris puts out a video :)
I do this drill all the time. Mostly with bird shot. The ten yard target gets peppered but you can tell if you got a good center hit.
Thing of beauty. Good stuff. Many thanks.
Love shotguns, shotgun stuff and shotgun videos.
Their entire family lineage led up to this moment and Chris's double-Haught joke. 😆
Nothing is more fun than a shotgun day.
Congrats, Chris. It absolutely was a thing of beauty. BTW, the video on that Remington SBS build is one of my favorites.
2:06 A quick warning about the cqb technique... I think it should be "There will be bloody noses using those 3 1/2" magnums every time... use target loads, lol"
Some of the best gun related content on UA-cam
Thanks for this! I’ll be trying this asap.
Great! Let us know how it goes
I was taught by Rob Haught many years ago to wear a Nomex glove when grabbing your BBL with your thumb. Otherwise you will burn it after multiple rounds. I have seen his son hold the SG differently without the glove.
Oh if I'm doing any amount of training, I've got a glove on at least my support hand for just that reason :)
Great content Chris. Love me some 1st class SG drills.
Mr Baker always cooking up the good stuff keep up the e good work!
Port dumping a shell is one of the few time I feel like as a southpaw, I have a distinct advantage over a righty.
Same, recently took a shotgun class and we had a competition reload drill and I was faster than the instructors.shells in dump pouch
It is. Being nitpicky here, There is also another advantage of being lefty, malfunctions. It's definitely easier to just simply look down and see what the hell is going on inside your gun. Other people need to break grip etc etc to view their chamber. All I have to do is glance because well the chamber is right there. Umm lots of people don't look first they will try and tap rack and get nothing and then look, I just say save yourself some time and look right. I can say at least for me I feel it's easier to clear malfunctions on something like an AR-15 than a right handed person but thats just because I feel my right hand is closer to everything going on with the whole gun parts. I also love shooting suppressed. Getting all that gas right back in my face nose and eyes man I love it really makes me enjoy being lefty.
More shotgun content! 😊
This is a really effective and relevant dip stick test for me. Congrats on on your run.
Great video and nice shooting. A great Xmas present would be another Manny video!
That last pump run was SLIIICK. Very nice 👌
Lovin' the shotty
That reload was Haught!
I took the symtac course. I have been shooting shotguns for fifty years. I have been doing it wrong for fifty years. Great instruction. Class was about 1/2 LE. I have a Benelli M4. It ran great. I did get a chance to try a Beretta 1301. That is a turbo gun, and also sexy looking and expensive. Edit: my shotgun is an M2. I have trouble remembering which is which.
Which 1301? Tactical, competition or competition pro? How did you find the recoil vs the heavier M4? All of them should be cheaper than your M4.
@@onpsxmember It was the tactical model. The Beretta rep for North America brought it to the class, and several people in the class already had them. It handled beautifully, was completely reliable with both #8 c heap birdshot and 00 buck.
Edit: sorry, senior moment, my Benelli is an M2, a very light gun suitable for walking style hunting and competition.
As always, another excellent video. It's good to see an instructional video about shotgun operations. Please keep up the great work.
Chris, thanks for sharing this drill! Based on your earlier SBS & semi-auto reviews, I chose a 1301 with Matchsaver (holds a slug), six mixed 00/slug on a side card, and cruiser ready with a ghost load.
For my reload training I’m using a 0.65 full choke (from Kicks) for #7.5 shot. I load one in the mag tube, ghost load one, and one each in the side card and Matchsaver. I rack the ghost load, fire from the mag tube, then reload from the Matchsaver and more slowly from the side card. The full choke allows me to see focused hits from even 10 yards and the recoil is closer to 00.
My main source of consistent and reliable shotgun video, 8 years and counting
I love your shotgun content. Thanks!
The best thing I did was take a shotgun class. It shows what you need to work on and how good or bad your set up is.
Nice shooting, Tex! Always fun to watch a well-run shotty drill. Congrats and yes that reload was superb.
@5:24 Hey everybody!! Come look at the only guntuber I've ever witnessed address proper shotgun reloading technique. Come look at him!!!
@6:01 He did it! He REALLY did it! Come look!
@6:51 Toot that horn, Sir. I'm not crying. Something got in my eye.''
@7:24 My GOD! He's just GIVING away GOLD this man is!
That reload was dead sexy.
We do a basic practical shotgun class to go with our handgun classes. Our experience with our new/newer shooters is that the over-the-top reload is both a little faster and more reliable, excepting guns like autoloaders with bolt release buttons that are down low and forward. We have them try both and the large majority settles on over-the-top.
Do like this drill- it really does hit the important points. I am considering adding it but modified for birdshot on steel plates, as we use for our main range drills.
We get quite a few women and almost all of them decline using slugs given that reduced-recoil ones are normally not available on hand in the store.
Count us as fans of the Tactaload Flash-5 for Mossberg and Remington slide-action guns (we like that term better as more descriptive than "pump" and relating better to handguns). More reliable, secure, and ambidextrous than sidesaddles. Maybe even slightly faster, especially for filling the tube.
After two and half years of doing the shotgun class, I will have to say I learn more from doing the class than I ever imagined, even more than our stock-in-trade handgun intros.
Get quite a few interesting anecdotes from it, too. About that 77-year-old lady with the brand-new, unfired, tricked-out Shockwave Shock-N-Saw...
If one fumbles the single loaded shell under stress when it doesn't get in from the top right away it may fall. If it falls and one loads from below the hand is right there to give it another try. Just a thought, both viable.
wow well done cheers times three... will be trying
No need to apologize for improving due to practice. 😁👍🍀
11211 drill then transitioning to sidearm is my favorite... it the most realistic.
Got to try this in their class this November. Harder than it looks.
Thank you.
Lucky gunner shotgun vids are the best on youtube
Hell of a smooth reload for sure.
Nice shootin' there Chris!
Good Drill, nice work.
very nice! you can rock the gun to your right just about an inch (not much) and it speeds up the under hand reload. appreciate the content, love me some shotgun stuff!!
Awesome practical content! I really miss being able to buy ammo from you guys. California sucks.
Yes it does!!!! Getting worse too.
6 years ago I moved from Orange County, California (SoCal) to Orange County, Florida and I love living in a Free State!
@@oceandmike ...unless you piss off the governor, then you get state troopers at your door.
Mannnn ive never heard them called 00 Haught thats awesome and theres two of them they definitely shouldve incorporated that into their company name
Cody from Vang Comp Systems coined the term and it's really caught on. We certainly like it :)
Well I've got a new drill to run once I get an A300 patrol next year. Great stuff, and great shooting!
Hey Chris would love for you to add more loads to your hollow point ballistics chart!
That was beast mode Chris!
Looks like fun! I gotta try this.
Okay, I know what I'm gonna be doing this weekend! Great video, thanks and great Coin Run! Hope you can do that again if you go to the class!
Good reloads Chris, thanks for the video; I love your guys' channel
Double 00 Haught!
Merry Christmas with this present of a video
Thank you 😊
Hope Manny makes a SHOT show appearance in 2024!
Chris continues to put out content that aligns with my obscure and specific interests. I’m starting to wonder if he’s me, but with a cooler job and better beard.
Helluva reload there, buddy!
Well the next time my son comes down to visit, we're going to have fun.
Sending him this video and subscribing!
I find that trapping the stock under my armpit works much better than laying it on top of my shoulder.
Babe, lucky gunner posted again
Very nice shooting!
Nice!
Thanks. Go for the coin!
Nice drill.
I need that short barrel 870 in my life.
F'ing a
4.69 ! Great Run
Someone said Federal isn’t producing the LE 8 pellet Flite Control shells any more. True? I’ve never found anything that grouped tighter at any distance, even their own 9 pellet shells. That 9th pellet almost always widens the group. Thanks for the content. Excellent as always.
Not true. I just bought somre.
Fortunately that isn't true.
Not true. We actually have 8 pellet Flite Control in stock right now
Thanks Man!!!
Going to try tomorrow,its dark already.
Sorry Chris,New York State says background check and definitely no mail order
When you have both of your rotator cups fully replaced (like I did), show me you doing that "CQC" technique. I had to modify my gun positioning to be closer to the sternum.
More shotgun content PLEASE. Everyone does AR’s.
I’ll give it a shot(s)!
I feel like for a Double Barrel, you could simply do CQB close, body far, reload, body far, headshot far. One less shot but retains that singular reload on what will likely be a longer reload. I bring this up only because I want to run this drill when I get my first shotgun off Layaway, but it is a double barrel.
Bruh...FUCKIN DOOOO EEEEEET. Sounds like a badass version of this drill
Nope, gotta do all five shots :)
In all seriousness though, I think a four-shot variation would be a fine test for a double, but for our classes, it's always going to be a 5-shot test :)
12-gauge shotguns really are the best self defense weapon that exists. My favourite platform by a mile.
The man in the back said "Everyone attack".
....and it turned into a ballroom blitz. 🎶🎸
Nice job 👍🏻
I was able to do it in 7.05 first try with my cut down Mossberg pump.
Are there any examples of people having to reload their shotgun from empty in self-defense? That reload was pretty *chef's kiss* I'm not gonna lie.
Not that I'm aware of. There may be a couple of recorded instances involving LE, but probably not home defense.
Chris, I did the CQ shots with slugs during a 1 on 1 shotgun course I attended in August. I can attest that black eyes are possible. Especially when you have a short length of pull. Ouch.
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I thought we were well past the idea that the over the shoulder "cqc" technique you use is effective at all.
How about just tucking it Under your arm. i find it much faster and accurate to shoot and easier to transition to shoulder.
over the shoulder is silly
That jacket tho 😍
Really wish I had access to a range, on which drills like this are allowed.
Seems a good warm up would be using dummy shells.
That 870 of yours is so fricking TIGHT
I want to get a 12 gauge but was thinking of the A300 Patrol rather than pump. Ideally afterwards I'd SBS it and get the barrel chopped a bit like your sexy ass 870.
Nice job on the skill test big 🐕
The problem with chopping a semi-auto is that shortening the barrel can interfere with how the gas system operates. The 1301, for example, can't be shortened unless the gas system is then tuned appropriately, and I'm told that even then it would likely not be reliable with as wide a range of ammo. I would love to see a SBS A300 or 1301, but I'm not aware of any custom shops who would do that work and can guarantee the gun would run. Right now, your best bet for something similar would be a Remington Tac13 converted to an SBS with a Form 1 and a stock added.
@@LuckyGunnerAhhh yes that is a good point. I just like that 870 you have and didn't consider the implications for the semi-auto version of it. Well poop. Will need to decide between a Mossberg 500 SBS or the A300 probably then.
Every Remington 870 I’ve ever shot has been a real bitch to load due to that silly loading spoon that invariably pinches your thumb tip. By about the 10th round, your thumb’s a bloody mess. I’ll take my Mossberg please.
With a tiny tweak to your thumb position when loading the tube, this becomes a non-issue
Hawaii needs your help. Please talk about the new laws stopping anyone from owning firearms
Great content and a fantastic run. I love all your videos and I think the folks at Lucky Gunner ought to let you decorate that studio to your taste. It's looking a bit bland. Maybe not full on Manny Mansfield but some personal touches would be nice.
You earned your braggin rights!
as someone with combat experince i anot even gonna tell your what i think about this drill
In Canada we avoid the problem of having to short-stock by just having 13 inch barrels on our shotguns
You don’t understand short stocking.
use a match saver for a single shell in front of the chamber
Having a keltec KSG that holds 24 mini shells or mini slugs means not having to be proficient in CQB posture and reloads.
That's my dad
I wish I had a dad like yours
@@bloodycrepe I hope you know I 100% mean this in sexual terms
@@Dragontron20 so do I
I mean this in appreciation, but I think Chris Baker has single-handedly scared me away from using pump action shotguns for defensive uses. With all the complicated controls, shell and pump manipulations, and possible user-induced malfunctions, I don't trust myself to deal with all these in a life or death situation. The simplicity of the concept belies the complexity of reality.
Thanks for the great content, please continue to make these informative videos.
Greater operational complexity is a fair argument. On the other hand, tens of thousands of marginally-trained LEOs managed to make pump guns work in fights for 100+ years.
BS its easy with even a little practice
Training alleviates these issues.
Have the Haughts commented on running a Demonstrated Concepts style birdshead shotgun for this test? Since the default position is even more compact than the CQB stocked position I assume the ordinary cheekweld can be used the whole time.
Thanks!
Oh no. I thought this video was gonna talk about video game shotguns. I use to play this zombie mmo video game way back in 2009. When come to shotguns you start off with a 20 gauge and you work your way up to 10 gauge. Jokes aside. Chris. Will you consider doing this using different gauges?
"FOUL!", he cried from the comment section.
What's your thoughts on or experience reguarding the H&R 870 clones? Just recently passed along my 20ga Pardner Pump & would like to pick up a 12ga, like I should of done in the 1st place.
I used to do this a lot years ago, but I always thought the range was long for a defensive drill. Am I wrong? Some buds and I decided to bring the far target closer to emulate an in-home situation more realistically. Similar to the drill "El Presidente."
It was still challenging because none of our guns had todays sight options. Lotta fun, but getting expensive now.
If you can hit a far target at speed easily, you might not miss a close target completely under REAL stress.
@@benm8973 Could be.
It's not really meant to be a defensive drill, but more of a test of mechanical skills. The 10y target is a better test of one's recoil control and precision than doing it at 3 yards.
Plus, I have at least one 10y shot across my house's interior, so it's by no means outside the normal effective range of the shotgun.
@@matthaught4707 yeah, I suppose. Aim small, miss small. The better you are at longer range could make you better at shorter range.
Still not sold on the way you pull the trigger
Chris, what glasses you wearing?