Poet Robert Bly on The Great Persian Poets ; Hafez and Rumi ; Interviewed by Bill Moyers
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- "Rumi and Hafez have been the guiding light, Rumi especially, of American poetry for the last five or ten years. But also it seems to me that if we're ...criticizing the Muslim world so much, we should be able to give thanks for the genius that is there...So, this is Persian poetry-14th century. "The foods turned out by the factors of time and space are not all that great. Bring some wine because good things of this world are not all that great." Robert Bly,
American poet
im Persian , and i can say Farsi is one of strongest language for making poem
shawn shawni why ?
@@zeldaaachen7200 because Iranians are a nation of emotions, for good, and the bad. They feel life, and all of life, like no other.
@@zeldaaachen7200 the language seems desihned for poetry. The words are beautiful, the sounds melodic. Persian is one of the sweetest, easy flowing languages.
Persian poetry is the best poetry in history
Yaqub Leis wrong. It's Arabic
@Yousef Ghaneemah shut up arab. Persian is most beautiful Language.. Arabic is så Hard
@Yousef Ghaneemah are arvaye amat..i dont know why you arabs stampled every thing from persian in your name.. Every book in the history wrote Rumi is Persian and The name is The Persian golf but you arabs put arab name on it..big lier you are realy.. Boro baba
@Yousef Ghaneemah sure, så persians empire is lier too but arabs didnt leaved in the Sahara of course .he he he he ..just gå to the museum så you see you just talking bullskit
@@monikasahar 😂😂😂😂
My beautiful country needs to be respected!🇮🇷❤
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I should hope it is.
The video shows not only Hafez's tomb, the one which has the blue ceramic's with white writing on it is Sa'di's tomb. I've been on both, it is amazing at night a lot of young people chilling around the poet's graves, singing their poems, having a good time. Persian culture is very deep, rich and spiritual.
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I so love this...... a great poet is also a philosopher and a lover of the world and its people, and also one prepared to stand up and say when things are wrong and yet carry on when it doesn't seem to make any difference, but it does, it does - and even though they may "steal sugar" they really only do it through love in the first place..... love of sharing beauty, thought, love itself..... joy, and I am so grateful for what is shared of his own work and of all the other poets work he also shares, and the difference it has made to my life, which was following that dance anyway, but the shared joy always enriches everything.
He is close to my heart. Joy of LIFE I see in his poems.
I'm Iranian,,I can sit and read the rumi poets fore thosends years,,l sower to romis god!!!😇
For Those Arguing About The Origin of Rumi Here:
With due respect, the history of Afghanistan as a state began in 1747 with its establishment by Ahmad Shah Durrani. Prior to that, Afghanistan was part of Iran; that is the reason that they speak Persian or “Parsi / Farsi”. Plus, if you refer to Rumi’s Lamenting poems regarding the Mongols attacking his land Iran, then you will stop arguing on this topic.
In any case, it is great that many like to own a piece of Rumi; this is a reflection of his amazing achievement and influence. Rumi’s love, spiritual beauty and enlightenment is shared not only by all Persian language speaking brothers and sisters in neighboring countries, but by the whole planet: HE BELONGS TO HUMANITY IN GENERAL.
Arrived in Orland I n 1968. protested against war, saw Mr.Bly once, loved his message. love Hafez and Rumi. It is the message that lasts not the medium.
What a great soul Bly is. I love how passionate he reads those poems and I find his gesticulation very funny 😂
Great to hear Bly. How souls can connect to souls!
what a treat to hear about our Hafez from these scholars. with love from Iran
The purity and tenderness of a love between two old men... Beautiful.
I saw Robert Bly once in the mid eighties. He read with his autoharp at northern Illinois University in DeKalb-a six hour drive I’d guess from Madison MN. A student of poetry for many decades now, I realize now that Bly was unique in his desire to communicate with his audience through poetry. He rejected Joyce’s definition of art that the artist should be “off somewhere paring his nails”-that age left us with great and enduring works, but marble is cold and gives off no warmth. Bly took a different route-we are all in this together, he said. How can a poem help us find our way out (or further in)?
Such a great guy! He gets it very well
What an inspiring watch. Feel nourished.
HAFEZ + WALT WHITMAN: At 3:40 - Lovely description of Bly going to the Persian mystic's tomb, with children around the tomb. Bly wonders why little children don't go to the tomb of Walt Whitman. Q: What do you think it would mean if we went to the graves of our poets? "You would bring the poets into the heart; instead of having them in your head in graduate school. And that's what you do with children. YOu bring children in and they get associated with their heart, when they're very small, and then they can feel it all their lives!" Some of the loveliest sentences I've heard in a long, long time. You feel poetry, you don't study it. Takes a poet to understand that.
Takes a culture to understand that. I grew up in Iran. I miss that culture terribly. For all else that happens there, that culture will not be brought down.
***** Culture and Freedom/Politics are separate entities, and I do agree Robin!
Rumi was born in Balkh, Afghanistan, September 30, 1207. His family emigrated to Konya, Turkey, fleeing the threat of invading Mongol armies, sometime between 1215 and 1220. Rumi means "from Roman Anatolia." (Coleman Barks). He wrote in Persian.
Both poets are generally described by westerners as from the Islamic tradition, although Sufis by definition are not card-carrying members of orthodoxy.
Extensive learning & wisdom is necessary for open, accepting hearts & minds - poetic messages are universal.
MIke Zandi Yes you are correct about Rumi's birthplace. I've revised my initial input. Other accounts of his life will vary. It's my understanding that Shams of Tabriz was directed to & traveled to Konya seeking Rumi as someone who could "endure my company."
But none of this matters in the enjoyment of his work.
Fazia A
balkh is just another province of the seljuk empire at the time. it used to be part of the persian empire. afghan pashto, tajiks and kurds are all persian people. from central asia to iraq (kurdistan) is the domain of persian and turkic peoples. rumi was persian.
Haleem AH
Thanks.
Know your labels, but lay them aside when you deal with the beauty of the human soul - C.G. Jung
Fazia A
Humanity is, albeit slowly, getting there.
read his masnavi if you want to know that he is islamic or not
Mr. Moyer, I am very disappointed that you call Rumi and Hafez as 'Islamic poets'. Would you call Shakespear and Chaucer as Christian poet? No, they are called English poets. Rumi and Hafez were Persian poets, their religion was secondary in their poems.
+OwlsEyelash They were devout Sufi practitioners. So much so that the poetry is 100% Sufi principle, values, decree etc etc. If their words resonate with you I advise you to study further. Maybe you will find more light :)
Ellias Jafari Thank you for this historical and literally lesson. I was completely in dark who Rumi and Hafiz are. The only reason I used their names in my original comment was because I had read those names somewhere!!! You seriously think that I do not know who these great poets were and am not familiar with their poetry?? Then, how did I comment on them? You should think before you write. I do not need your advice and I do not need you to tell me to see the light!
That's a shame. As I began to read that I thought you were being quite humble. Sadly your words here are as spicy as your original comment.
You simply cannot claim you know Rumi or Hafiz or their works and yet dismiss their work being Islamic. As for the "light" comment, I was not being condescending but simply saying that if you enjoyed the little taste you have had of these sages' works (we know it is minimal from your lack of knowledge) then keep reading because there is a lot more to enjoy and learn. We are all pupils to the end of this life and the next.
I didn't intend to seem condescending and I do not claim to know all there is to know about these sages. But I do know they were Sufi masters, that is more than simply a title of "poet". Moreover, Sufism is a branch of Islam that focuses on the mystical nature of Allah and the Creation. So, indeed Rumi's and Hafez's poetry can be termed Islamic poetry, however you will find many Muslims who are not Sufis dismissing their works as being Islamic because they feel Sufis are non-believers. Such people would say these works are specifically Sufi rather than Islamic.
Almost all ancient Persian art is created by Sufis, especially song and dance and poetry. We Iranians breathe poetry, too :)
Peace
Ellias Jafari Again, you annoying little person who always need to tell others you know so much. How is it that you assume others do not know and you need to lecture them all the time? How is it that you always assume that the person you are debating with does not know who Sufis are, what sufism is, and what poetry is. You want to appear humble, you want to appear that you have achieved a higher level but you cannot help being condescending at the end. Here is your own words, `` I was not being condescending but simply saying that if you enjoyed the little taste you have had of these sages' works (we know it is minimal from your lack of knowledge) ``. Enough said. You might have read Rumi and Hafez but you have achieved not much. Pretentious and condescending
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*There is no worse sickness for the soul, O you who are proud, than this pretense of perfection. The heart and eyes must bleed a lot before self-complacency falls away.* (Rumi)
you are being very selective with your attention to my words. i could now quote to highlight a weakness of yours, too, but my time is worth more than that. its amazing how you say i "always" this and that as though youve known me a long time haha. strange person
Cannot believe how many ignorant people are commenting here.
Rumi and Hafiz are both SUFI poets---all their poems are centered in the Sufi philosophy and mystical viewpoint.
For those that say they should not be referred to by their spiritual path---
It is like saying Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are Israeli writers, not Christian...
Perhaps if the people commenting here BOTHERED to read up on the Sufi tradition, they would know that the term SUFI POET is the correct term for both men---every poem they write celebrates their mystical vision of love, harmony, beauty and unity.
Poets delight in poetry - Light delights in Light... Genius awakens Genius. Edward FitzGerald translator and adapter of The Ruba'iya't of Omar Khayya'm commented "Hafez and Khayya'm ring like true metal". How true. Our thanks to Robert Bly. Charles Mugleston Omar Khayyam Theatre Company
Thanks your Robert Bly for sweet water to a thirsty soul!
Islamic poetry has something useful to contribute to our soul. This link explains how Rumi’s poetry helps us achieve the goal. Thanks to you.
This sky where we live is no place to lose your wings so love, love, love.
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Hafiz of Shiraz
one of the essential part of sufism ( included Rumi, attar ,hafez ,sadi ...) is that they don't have a religion - they love all prophets but don't believed in religions because they believe always in any time there is a man like Moses, christ or mohammad so they just belive in him / her that now is here and alive - I love this poet all the persian love this man
Wonderful! There are so much still to learn and enjoy! Thank you!
arrived in US in 1968. It was the war time. We resisted and talked about piece. I saw Mr. Bly once, loved his message. it is the same today. peace, hate war and killing. Love him more for his understanding of Hafez and Rumi. The message is love and lovers.
From my novel Shards Of Divinities
Shifting Paradigms
Ever since I was a child I always felt like a citizen of a different realm.
I have sown the seeds of that realm in my childhood,
but I can only know the fruits of the reaping once I cross over,
Into that other realm.
I was born in the shadow of an old paradigm,
But I always could see the light.
I was born seeing a new paradigm,
As others have before me.
But in our own time we are at best tolerated,
And at worst despised.
This has always been the case,
And will continue to be so until the end of time.
Yet the end of time will give birth to a new beginning,
The navel of Creation is a loop in Eternity.
The leaf is the mother of the tree..
When I stepped out of the shadow,
My new-found realization caused me to become intoxicated.
It was with a sudden intellectual and spiritual freedom that need not serve any institution,
That bows to no tradition,
And is unencumbered with the artificial constraints of a paradigm constructed by man,
And which serves only man and not the divine.
I realized I could heartily drink from this overflowing cup of Truth without following the customs and etiquette of a society steeped in the stinking garbage heap of idolatry.
It is a heap composed of the rotting bodies of a pantheon of ideologies I once cherished as the fundamental, indivisible principle of Creation,
But which I now realized could not possibly be at the root of the magnificent beauty and unity of this edifice.
This epiphany was an unexpected visitor,
And when it came knocking on my door I greeted it,
As a lover I had only ever known in the recesses of my soul,
And who now appeared before me as flesh and blood.
This epiphany was a rose bush whose seed I planted long ago,
and which now burst the earth after a long and arduous winter in the unknowing, white-eyed womb of Creation.
And when I reached for its tempting yet thorny flower I felt a piercing pain shooting through my soul,
And I came face to face with the awe-full ONE,
The great El-Shaddai,
The principle of Creation,
The great veiled One,
The Truth overflowing my cup.
Deep in my soul an unspeaking voice woke from an eternal slumber,
And I at once came to know that land for which I had always felt a kinship,
That realm of which I am a citizen,
Until the end of time.
He's such a lovely and wise man
Amazingly enlightening.
Khwāja Shams-ud-Dīn Muḥammad Ḥāfeẓ-e Shīrāzī (Persian: خواجه شمسالدین محمد حافظ شیرازی), known by his pen name Hafez (حافظ Ḥāfeẓ 'the memorizer; the (safe) keeper'; 1315-1390), was a Persian poet who "lauded the joys of love and wine but also targeted religious hypocrisy."[1] His collected works are regarded as a pinnacle of Persian literature and are to be found in the homes of most people in Iran, who learn his poems by heart and still use them as proverbs and sayings. His life and poems have been the subject of much analysis, commentary and interpretation, influencing post-14th century Persian writing more than any other author.[2][3]
If you enjoy Persian poetry, you may be interested in my book that's due to be published this year (probably in October, perhaps a little sooner). Here are some sample poems (found on Wordpress):
1. Amsterdam Park
2. Meditation
3. Shattered Mirror
4. It Used to Matter
5. My Wife
6. Everywhere
7. Human Consciousness
8. The More and Emptiness
9. I Dreamt Once...
10. The Whole Artwork
11. Lucid Streams of Deference
12. The Young Man
13. More Beautiful Differences
14. Rain
15. Red Cottage Days
16. Lovely Sun
17. The Proof
18. Purify Purify
19. You Sit, Face Averted
20. You're Lying There Still Asleep
21. Poem For a Friend
22. Poem For the World
23. Picture of Me
24. Come and Tell Me, Death
25. Companion of Christmas Trees
26. Pain
27. Blossoming From the Ground of Your Truth
28. Billowing Rain on a Sunday
29. I Have Been Moved
A couple of my favorite men. Super conversation.
Rather shocked by the comment ISLAMIC POET!! nothing against Islam but had never heard a poet related to a religion!!!!!
+Suzanne Ziai lol read about Rumi
Hehe, Has anyone called Shekspear a Christian writer? 😂
Suzanne Ziai read rumi and hafez before commenting or else you sound ignorant.
Mary B that’s because Shakespeare used many pagan themes in his lit, many were comedies, many lines were super raunchy, etc. He didn’t use Christian terminology much or themes. At his age, the Greco Roman world started coming into fashion after a thousand years of suppression by the Christian world, thanks to the Islamic world for preserving the texts for 1000 years.
Rumi and Hafez are Iranian/ as westerns called persian poet who was escaping mongol and Turk warmongers and seeking peace.
Yousef Ghaneemah nope. he was Persian. He was born in Khorasan.
@Yousef Ghaneemah lol
HAFEZ AND RUMI ARE PERSIAN AND THEY BELONG TO EVERY ONE ON THIS WORLD , BUTT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MOSLEM AND THEIR BOOKS ARE IN FARSI . IT IS LIKE THIS FOR EXAMPLE
You know that Rumi was called Maulana for a reason?
I'm an Iranian and not a Muslim but hafiz rumi ... where persian and Muslims and to say Islam had no influence on there work is just not true there work was mix of Persian and Islamic culture, but Muslims must admit how much influence Persians had on Islam they took so much from persia since, literature, architectur...
islam DID have influence on them
rumi isn't turkey, he just died in turkey , he's a persian poet who born in balkh "Afghanistan" and grow up in great persian country include "Afghanistan, iraq, some parts of turkey, Pakistan, some part of Turkmenistan and Tajikistan" so he's a persian poet who can't say is from turkey or iran or Afghanistan. he was only persian.
Thank you the Soul named Robert Bly.
Rumi: The Edge of the Roof
" I don't like it here, I want to go back.
According to the old Knowers
If you're absent from the one you love
Even for one second that ruins the whole thing!
There must be someone... just to find
One sign of the other world in this town
Would be enough.
You know the great Chinese Simurgh bird
Got caught in this net...
And what can I do? I'm only a wren.
My desire-body, don't come
Strolling over this way.
Sit where you are, that's a good place.
When you want dessert, you choose something rich.
In wine, you look for what is clear and firm.
What is the rest? The rest is mirages,
And blurry pictures, and milk mixed with water.
The rest is self hatred, and mocking other people, and bombing.
So just be quiet and sit down.
The reason is: you are drunk,
And this is the edge of the roof."
from, The Soul Is Here For Its Own Joy, Sacred Poems From Many Cultures, edited by Robert Bly
Mr. Moyer, I am very disappointed that you call Rumi and Hafez as 'Islamic poets'. Would you call Shakespear and Chaucer as Christian poet? No, they are called English poets. Rumi and Hafez were Persian poets, their religion was secondary in their poems.
I am repeating the comment below and thank you for this comment i don't understand why west media scared of using persian word for our poets or scientist. persian people they kept their culture and language for thousands of years but unfortunately west media for hundreds of years trying to introduce our scientist and poets to the world as a "Islamic".
They need to educate their people truthfully,thanks to social media to give this opportunity to people to find out the truth.
I think they are wrong for putting omar khayyam and hafiz s poetries in islamic catagory. Im persian and grew up with their poetry. Islamic beliefs have not any place in their works so please dont present them as islamic poetry to western people
Genuine sufis are utterly opposed to religious orthodoxy.
در اشعار حافظ حتی یکبار هم از محمد علی وووو یاد نکرده و همیشه سپاسگزار پیرمغان بوده
All these men are dead and products of their times. Who has memorized the Qur'an is Hafiz. The meaning is memorizer or safe keeper. His full name is Khawāje Shams-od-Dīn Mohammad, and title, Hāfez-e Shīrāzī. He was a Sufi.
He is my lover of life. I once wrote ghazals to him. The years that comprise this love in separation is divine bliss of the Spirit and is never corrupted by material forces
The persian poems explaining the world arround them with a cultural and faithful language, which is because of their birthplace and their persian lifestyle, thoughts and culture, you cant call them muslim poems, although they even talked about Islam in their poems, they talked about holy spirits in their poems. You always see a similar culture in all of persian poetry which has not match anywhere else.
"It is the immediate influence of the Holy Spirit that causes words such as these (lines from the poet Hafiz) to stream from the tongue of poets, the significance of which they themselves are oftentimes unable to apprehend." - The Bab, The Dawnbreakers, Baha'i Faith
Hafez and Rumi poetry has nothing to do with a z!oin!st cult made by jews named Bahaism!
People in the comments section enraged by rumi and hafez being called “Islamic poets”, obviously never read rumi, hafez, Kabir etc. They frequently cite the Quran and Prophet Muhammad. It’s amusing to see how people jump to comment on something they know little about and is so irrelevant. Bly makes such beautiful points and quotes things that ought to inspire reflection for the soul. It sad to see people so filled with hate. They badly need to open a book or two of Rumi! ☺️ 📚
I did read them. They got some influences. But these poets teachings are rooted in Zarathustra and Mani and Mithraism teachings! Kishe-Mehr!
شاعرانی اوکراینی که شعر به زبان روسی میخوانند ایا روس هستند؟
This guy is a wise sage much like Obi won or Yoda, and let us not forget Qui Gon Jin.
that last Row poem found me several months ago. ❤
Impressive!
Clear political stand, so rare!
I run from the deep, even though I need it so. Wonderful video.
For you Who faithing about Mulana Rumi Who is not Persian, , just read his poem all are made in the beautiful persians Language nothing else, no arabic no turkish not one single Word in turkish or arabic, just read his poem you find ut he is a pure Persian PAYANDE IRAN ZAMIN SARZAMINE ARYA
Brilliant, although very little (in time, not in love...) about Rumi and Hafiz...
To those saying he was a persian poet and not an islamic one... he was both. He was a Sufi saint who referred to the Qur'an about as much as you'd expect a christian writer to incorporate Christian allegory and themes in their works. The translations you've read have been secularized with a lot of the Islamic references removed since most Americans would not understand or respond effectively to his prose otherwise. You'd have to read it in the original persian in order to see this.
newyorker(dot)com/books/page-turner/the-erasure-of-islam-from-the-poetry-of-rumi
"Just tell Bush to sit down and be quiet" . ha! So glad to find Robert Bly again!
This is what we lack in 2023. Where did we lose ourselves?
All this on the question of calling Rumi an "Islamic poet" is frustrating and distracting from a good upload. First of all, no, nobody is going to call Shakespeare or Chaucer "Christian" poets, but they'll call Julian of Norwich or George Herbert that. You can also call Milton a Christian poet, though someone might want to specify that he's also a Protestant and a republican-we can check to see if the label fits, then afterward talk about the significance of its application.
Here I think the issue with the label is that the Iranians in the house want a shout-out for a bit of national pride. In the thick cloud of ignorance these days people could automatically assume Islam = Arab. We don't want that so SHOUT OUT: Rumi and Hafez are Persians. But the flip side of the issue is that there are also a lot of people who want to deny that Islam has deep spiritual/humanist/mystical dimensions, and we definitely don't want that either, because it's idiotic.
smerdyakovkb You clearly don’t have enough historical information about the pre-Islamic Iran. For you people history starts with Islam, literally ! For us it is not about Hafez or Mowlana, they are hardly original. Rather it is about a tradition that is unequivocally and unmistakably Persian and has it roots in centuries before the even the idea of Islam started to gestate. And that is “Persian mysticism”. The problem is that it is the other way around. The Islamic countries need to understand that almost everything having to do with your religion (metaphysics, spirituality, eschatology, etc) are all borrowed from cultures that came before you. Even the very ideas of monotheism and the axiological rift of Good and Evil are creations of Zoroastrianism and Manichaeism. Islam is a very shallow imitation and the ensuing culture is a disappointment.
Islam never was a part of our identity, for the simple reason that it did NOT add anything of value to it.
such fucking nonsense, you can't let muslims have ANYTHING can you, when muslims do shit things then we're muslim, but when scholars are entirely dedicated to writing about islam and sufism all of a sudden their religion isn't important? shut. the. fuck. up.
Ehsan Dowlatshah specific ideas do not belong to specific people or groups. They are free, malleable, evolve, migrate, branch off etc. Two very different people on the opposite ends of the earth can build similar or identical belief system/ideas/customs without coming to contact with each other. Yes, Persian ideas/beliefs etc are unique and full of depth and beautiful but it doesn’t mean you own certain ideas, or that over time it didn’t go through evolution or branched off, or mix with other belief systems to become something else that was unique in itself (perhaps Sufism).
Plus Islam never makes the claim that it came first or that it’s original or separate from any other belief system. In fact, it says that god spread his message to various nations using diff prophets (but ppl started to go astray over time and the beliefs of community started to change). So the ‘message’ of Islam is supposed to share a lot with other previous belief systems. Two specified belief system are Judaism and Christianity.
شاعران اوکراینی که به زبان روسی شعر میخونن ایا روسی هستن؟
you guys leave all the great things said here and focus on the " islamic poet " part. Enjoy and rejoice that people love and praise our poetry
thanks for sharing
I am just discovering Rumi, I heard Hafiz years ago but I'd forgotten about him
hafez and roomi are not Islamic , they are Iranian ( persian ) poets.
he was a Muslim and a Islamic Sufi if you people could speak Persian you know 90% original Persian was about love the of Allah.
Abdirahman ALi Really? I have read Hafez, Rumi, Saadi, Shahnameh. They are more about love and life than religion.
Abdirahman ALi It's funny some of them even talks about wine and women too.
Sara Mithra the use of erotic imagery are metaphors for divine Love- in keeping with the traditions of sufi poetry. perhaps you are simply ignorant of this but i am always very suspicious that the likes of you are part off an effort to amputate Molana Rumi from the poetic heritage of Islam.
Sara Mithra its not funny... what is funny that they call hafez a muslim.... he never liked islam... love, wine and happiness always been part of Persian culture
Lovely man.
"Wherever I am, let me be, the sky is mine," by Sohrab Sepehri.
So ya'll shut up. It doesn't matter what you'r fighting over...
A Bill Moyer Interview with Grace Lee Boggs and Robert Bly. "Poet Robert Bly on The Great Persian Poets ; Hafez and Rumi ; Interviewed by Bill Moyers"
"Uploaded on 11 Oct 2011
"Rumi and Hafez have been the guiding light, Rumi especially, of American poetry for the last five or ten years. But also it seems to me that if we're ...criticizing the Muslim world so much, we should be able to give thanks for the genius that is there...So, this is Persian poetry-14th century. "The foods turned out by the factors of time and space are not all that great. Bring some wine because good things of this world are not all that great." Robert Bly,
American poet" ua-cam.com/video/e9by9LB-tqY/v-deo.html
Most of Rumi's English translations are distorted and subjectively exclude Islamic teaching, ethics from Rumi's works. But Mawlana Jalaluddin Rumi was a religious teacher in his time. Two third of Rumi’s poem is about -Quranic stories , Muhamed and islamic ethics . Rumi said-
''As long as I live, I am the slave of the Quran I am the ground of chosen Mohammed’s way...
Whoever carries a word of me apart from this I am complainant of him and I am complainant of those words too.''
All these poets (Rumi and Hafiz) were adherent Muslim and very practicing one. Nowadays most persian want to Isolate themselve from Islam and create there own separate identity, But know this we muslims were one and for me my persian bretheren are equally muslim and Islamic like an Arab or a Indian. Don't be divided and don't divide sufism from Islam.
به باغ تازه کن آیین دین زرتشتی
کنون که لاله بر افروخت آتش نمرود
بیار ساقی آن آتش تابناک
که زرتشت میجویدش زیر خاک
به من ده که در کیش رندان مست
چه آتش پرست و چه دنیا پرست
بنده پیر مغانم که ز جهلم برهاند
پیر ما هر چه کند عین عنایت باشد
منم که گوشه میخانه خانقاه من است
دعای پیر مغان ورد صبحگاه من است
نیکی پیر مغان بین که چو ما بدمستان
هر چه کردیم به چشم کرمش زیبا بود
سینه گو شعله آتشکده پارس بکش
دیـده گـو آب رخ دجلـهي بـغـداد ببر
از آن بـه دیر مغانم عزیز می دارند
که آتشی که نمیرد همیشه در دل ماست
To those saying Rumi was not Islamic, this is what Rumi himsef said:
"My soul in my skin is such a slave to the Quran; I am dirt on the road of God’s d istinguished Prophet Muhammad. Whoever attributes other words besides these to me, I will complain before the words and the carrier of them." -Mevlana Rumi
The message of Islamic Mysticist was universal and they adressed everyone irrespective of religion.
TheShadowKnight7 Introducing Rumi as an Islamic poet is like introducing Shakespear or Chaucer as a Christian poet. Shakespear and Chaucer are always introduced as English poets and Rumi and Hafez should always be introduced as Persian poets. What their religion was is secondary to their poetry.
OwlsEyelash While I do agree that Rumi's poetry was for people of all religions, I must say that comparing Rumi and Shakespeare is not appropriate. Rumi was an Islamic Scholar finding his inspiration is spirituality and faith. Nevertheless, Rumi belongs to people of all faiths.
rollingklouds
I have no idea why you are addressing this to me?
rollingklouds
What?
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Unfortunately there is much misunderstanding concerning Rumi in the West .
i like the notion of going to the third world meaning to the land of Beloved as Baha'u'llah refers to.
they were persian poets Not Islamic poets..
Crazy talk.
They are Sufis, and the mystical, anti-authoritarianism, heartfelt passion they write about, is exactly what Sufism celebrates.
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@Yousef Ghaneemah Does Arab have literature? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
farhad sia you are seriously in need of some literacy. Arab lit is so far ranging. From 1001 nights, epics, romance eg Layla Majnun, to comedies/satire eg Mulla Nasreddin, and theatre, sci fi, the examples are endless and would require a university degree and postgrad at SOAS. Though you can start with a few books from a library or Amazon.
@@morugascorpion6021 Layla Majnoun is a Persian version of the Nizami . Mullah Nasruddin, who is an ethnic Turkic, has been translated into Arabic
and persian
I have read some of the comments and could tell how many of you just heard the name Rumi. fIRST OF ALL, HE IS NOT IRANIAN. Now let's talk about his poetry being Persian, Farsi which meant at the time of him being alive, he came from Balkh which nowadays its one of the cities in Afghanistan. His written poetry is Pure Farsi; what Afghanistanis Dari/Farsi language literature is based. But he himself, in one of his poetry says 'Nor am I Balkhi nor from Rome, I am from Earth"
So stop claiming a genius into one country that British has aligned the border for.
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With due respect, the history of Afghanistan as a state began in 1747 with its establishment by Ahmad Shah Durrani. Prior to that, Afghanistan was part of Iran; that is the reason that they speak Persian or “Parsi / Farsi”. Plus, if you refer to Rumi’s Lamenting poems regarding the Mongols attacking his "land, Iran", then you will stop arguing on this topic.
In any case, it is great that many like try to own a piece of Rumi; this is a reflection of his amazing achievement and influence. Rumi’s love, spiritual beauty and enlightenment is shared not only by all Persian speaking brothers and sisters in neighboring countries, but by the whole planet: HE BELONGS TO HUMANITY IN GENERAL.
خدا را شکر که مولانا را بنام ایران میشناسند اگر بنام نامی افغانستان میبود مردم مولانا را با این اعمال افعان ها به باطله دانی مینداختن به خصوص بچه بازی که کودکان را میربایند و بعد میرقصانند و بعدش تجاوز میکنند که هیچ ابروی نه تنها به افغان ها بلکه برای مردم منطقه نمانده اند
Fabulous
Wow!
As a Persian born and bred, I hereby let you all know that Hafez had fundamental problems with bigot muslim authorities of his time. So, please avoid calling these jewels of ours as Islamic geniuses: it is more than an insult for us to consider our geniuses to belong to Islam, a religion out of which darkness and ignorance come
Fire is put out with water.
Today’s poetry is all about rhyming words and not the philosophy and wisdom
does anyone know what book he is reading from? Is it published?
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My apologies, correction good sir, Persia has a great literature not Muslims! Everyone that you mentioned and a lot more were all Persians and their religion was Muslim because of invasion of Arabs forcing their religion by killing thousands of thousands of people, before that, Persians were Zarathustrian.
Hafiz learnt all Quran in 6year old that's why people called him hafez. His name is not hafiz same as rumi he travel near to rum and he called rumi his name is molana jalaldin balkhy
Rumi was a great poet from afghanistan
@Arkam Knight and Iran was part of Afghanistan for some time so what? Almost everything great what modern state Iran claims comes from the soil what is today Afghanistan, from Rostam to Balkhi. And the people still are the same.
Iranian culture and civilization = Poets + Writers
From the Arabic Ghor-on came out = Poetry + Writing
Iranian Culture - The Arabic Ghor-on = -0-
That was funny, he was sending his parents to the Altar, but not himself. . .
Iranians were writing poetry long before the quran
You must be a very young person. Did you know that Roudki poems were in Arabic language? if you read sura poets in the Ghor-on, it says,
"Only the people who are astray follow the poets."
That is why Iranians kiss the Ghor-on and put it up on the top shelf and read poems form poets. If you study the Ghor on you would find out that none of the poets knew what was written in the Arabic Ghor-on. They used to memorize it in order to learn the technique of poetry. Sufism are just like poets they only follow their conjectures. You need to study the Arabic Quran. That is why Iranians are suffering so much and also the rest of Muslim countries, because they Do Not Read the Ghor-on. Yet they have been paralyzed by mullahs, and read resalah, hadith, sunna and sharia law written by human devil. Just imagine how Iranians frozen in time. They are not allowed to receive any knowledge from God. that is why they are not able to invent anything. I heard they just came up with "Aftabeh 2 Lule" . . .
Try to educate yourself while you have time, that is, if God Allows you!?. Here are some proofs from 1500 pages of scientific reports.
The Mathematical Miracle of the Arabic Quran (Tape 1) Religion Whistleblower
The Mathematical Miracle of the Arabic Quran (Tape 2) Religion Whistleblower
The Mathematical Miracle of the Arabic Quran (Tape 3) Religion Whistleblower
Ultimate Mathematics Generator of the Quran # 1 of 10
Ultimate Mathematics of the Arabic Quran- Sura 9
Another paralyzed one. I knew Allah does not let you count. . . Just worship your poets and Mohammad, and suffer like the rest of the so called Muslims. Allah does not allow you to read the Ghor-on.
جناب درست است که در جوانی حافظ مولانا وووو مسلمان بود اما وقتی به پختگی رسیدن اسلام را ترک کردن و در همه اشعار شان هویدا است حتی مولانا میگوید مثنوی است قران در زبان پهلوی حافظ و خیام که اسلام را تا توانسته اند کوبیده اند
I want someone to look at me the way Bill Moyers looks at Bly at around the 8:40 mark
Some of Bly's poems are crap. If you labeled his poetry as having been written by "Dave Smith" or some other unknown poet, you'd think they suck. Similarly, if you listed some of Dave Smith's poems as having been written by Bly, you'd fall in love with them. READ THE WORK on its own merits.
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Those who hate Islam and studying Rumi,hafez,iqbal,gazali...(r.a)....do not understand anything.
But some writing must be shared. not for seeking praise but because writing and not sharing is like baking a cake and not sharing it
there is so much about rumi everywhere but his teacher hafez not so much.
Hafez was born a century after rumi...
درود بر پدربزرگهای دوستداشتنی دوستدار ایران زمین.
Interesting, "the greedy soul."
Why can I only find old white men talking about hafiz
would you say that hafez and rumi are more popular than omar khayyam?
I would call Rumi and Hafiz Persian poets NOT Islamic
"Is not that great" is the essence of the game.
Hafiz, rumi , saadi , atar , ibn sina , farabi they are all muslim and persian from Great khorasan
Shams tabrizi rumi s teacher
Where is the song? Where is the music and the composition of the grace of sounds?
This is half-baked.
Read Blake aloud - and then read this American pap. Sorry, but read Blake aloud - or Shakespeare - or Eliot if you dare… Sorry, but this doesn’t cut it as GREAT poetry.
… This isn’t Rumi!
knowledge is everywhere and in everything including maggots bacteria fungi as well as in faeces; we human beings we are too arrogant -the Primal Sin.We need to learn how to Respect ourselves and others.sound so cliché but that is because it is everywhere so visible so enveloping we don't feel the atmospheric pressure but it is so everywhere water everywhere but not a drop....
Not 72 years, is 43 years
Rumi is the greatest poet in Farsi followed by Firdousi, Rumi has no equal in Farsi, the way Mir Taqi Mir has no equal in Urdu poetry.
Hafez. Hafez is the greatest of poets. To me, he is the Zarathustra-the-third!
U cannot capture the lyrical nature of farsi poetry in english.
Hafez is song.
Hafez is a straight up Mithraist
Robert Blys work suck how and why is he being compared to the greatest and true poets of all time Hafez and Rumi? Btw Rumi is afghan born in Balkh
Good thing people don't listen to Bly's whining against the liberation of people from one of the greatest tyrants of the 20th Century. He should stick to translating the true greats, like Rumi and Hafiz.
“ Islamic Poets “ !!!! What does it exactly mean? Is Islam a language? A culture? A what??? Islam is a religion, it does not have anything to do with these poets ; they are Persian poets ... poets from a culture that is fundamentally and basically different, very different than Islam ...
People like him and others make great injustice to Persian literature. By the fact he called them Islamic shows that he has not much knowledge about the poets. I wish they would first try to learn the language, so they would have better understanding of the literature. So sad that these guys are the professors of such a historical and old literature.