Since emission regs are partly what killed them, I wish they would try the same engine, but with an overhead cam and VVT and a 24 valve setup...maybe even do aluminum block since they make them better now.
Yes 4.0 mpg sucks ass. And here in Europe we pay 7 dollars a gallon approx so old Jeep owners are royally screwed! Not much worse though than Chrysler's lackluster World engine in the Liberty. Or most other Big 3 SUV 6/8 cylinder equipped SUV's in the decade that followed the 4.0 i6's demise...
like the fact that you guys take the time to promote older 4x4's showing that a person can get out there and have just as much fun (and sometimes more fun) at a much lower cost. And, it's fun to watch the playful rivalry between you guys when comparing an older to new vehicle.
You dont see the new jeeps competing in the real world. At all the jeep events you see maybe 3 the entire day make a pathetic attempt but these things cant offroad. The comanche is a better Jeep in an offroad aspect. Thats ignoring the fact that the comanche is also more reliable, built to a higher quality, safer, better looking and an actual jeep
Some 4.10 gears. A locker in the back and some swaybar disconnects up front and that little Commanche would embarass a lot of Jeeps wearing Rubicon badges.
I have a TJ Rubi. I was pulling my friends with JKs and Toyotas out of the mud so often that I installed a Sprintex supercharger kit to make it easier. Now I'm pulling their JLs out of the mud. They grow up so fast...
Kenan Mitchell the TJ Rubicon is one of my all time favorite vehicles. When that 4.0 finally needs a rebuild in 20 years throw in a 4.2 crank. Love those TJ Rubi’s.
PlanesTrainsAutos how did those idiots even become famous? For being stupid? No that cant be because then everyone would be famous especially them. And that new jeep dont look very good anyways in my opinion
This is why so many guys just re-build older Jeeps. I just upgraded my 97 ZJ that has been in the family 20 years, and it runs great, does what I want it to. We put about 2k into it, and it gets our recreation driving done. 4W Drive - new stereo - new shocks - new AC, new steering, and I can still feed my family. I love the new stuff, but I really appreciate that U guys still tweek yesterdays cool stuff. Thanks for a great VID!
Very nice. My parents had a ZJ Limited for 20 years and wished they had kept it over the new grand Cherokee that replaced it. The ZJ was much more comfortable and felt more trucky. It also had great visibility and no screen that takes three menu clicks to turn on the heated seats.
Was not an easy decision, but just about every part has been changed since 97. And my mechanic knows how to work on these trucks. I did not have to start from scratch and change every part in the truck. We even have the gas tank recall fix & a big rear skid plate. We did not want to pay 40k+ for a new jeep - and we like what we have.
Holding up in 30 years,, They had to fix that Comanche and lift it with new stuff and add bigger tires before they could even get on the trail that it couldn't even ride on stock,, with the huge aftermarket parts out there in 30 years you can do the same thing to the Gladiator if needed which I think will have to,, but also in 30 years those trails might be closed off for only hikers and bicycles like they're doing everywhere else now..
@RDLONG30 you realize several models of older Jeeps came from the factory with a built-in pyrotechnics show due to shitty wiring, right? New electronics are built far better than whatever is in your 30 year old shitbox. The Comanche PCMs are notoriously bad, along with fuse blocks literally becoming molten, and basic systems like headlights and turn signals that fail for no reason. 😂
Said Abimelec I paid 40k for my used SRT Jeep and it’s worth every penny. Adaptive cruise, ac seats, blind spot, all the bells and whistles plus will outrun 99.9% of cars on the road
@@OfficialMarkieB On the jeep website the lowest priced model is a base model sport. msrp is $ 33 545. .The Msrp on a Rubicon starts at $43,595 Fully loaded like the one in the video is over $60,000. That is from the Jeep website build and price.That is without title ,taxes etc. To say you can get one cheaper than msrp right now is just a lie.
Even if I had the money to buy the Gladiator, I would still rather have the Comanche and put the money I saved towards upgrades, body work and a nice long road trip and still have money in the bank.
That's easy to say until you actually sit in one and drive it. And then it hits you oh dear Lord this is way nicer then any other midsize truck..... got to have it ! I knew this was going to happen but I kind of had to drive it cuz I work at the dealership and it needed gas
TheeJoeyLee Its nice because it’s basically a overpriced Jeep Wrangler. Pretty sure you can get a Tacoma/Colorado and a Wrangler for the price of this ugly ass Gladiator.
Not all Gladiators cost $60k, it's a misconception that this channel keeps propagating. I'd rather have a new Gladiator, sorry. Love the Comanche, but if I'm going on a road trip or spend time behind the wheel, I choose new. I have an old TJ, and it's my baby. But after 45 minutes, my head is ready to explode, and my back is shot 😆😆😆
One thing I really love about my XJ, and it is the same in the MJ, is how much stuff you can do with a single Phillips and flat head screw driver. With just that you can take off most parts of the front clip, and take apart almost all of the dash as well. If you had a few sockets then you can do pretty much anything you want
I've done just about everything on my YJ with an ammo box full of tools, including pulling the transmission, replacing the transfer case (in a hotel parking lot), and just about everything other than rebuilding the engine. I could probably do that, too. I do hate the mix of SAE & metric fasteners, though.
Fun video critiquing the gladiator's bloated size. Hope Jeep is watching. Bring on the J6 HONCHO! At least in kit form. Can't wait for the Suzuki video👍
Dude, nobody would buy that. It would just be a jeep token vehicle. Everybody always wants more hardcore less practical stuff, they just don’t actually buy it.
The Jeep Comanche: The front is like a Cherokee, The back is like a truck. The front is where you drive, The back is where you... you know... haul stuff.
Already has the beefier DANA axles, gearing for crawl ratio is the best out there. They already addressed cooling issues for the towing capabilities. By the numbers, 260lbs of torque should be more than capable
@@averagejoemike5600 Having "Never aired down before" makes you incompetent at coming to a conclusion about the effectiveness of changing tire pressure.
Average Joe Mike 4x4 101: air down. Just try it on a real trail and you will see why it’s so important. It is obvious that you are not a serious off-roader, which is fine but don’t argue with those of us who experienced, especially over something that is so basic.
Last time I was at Hot Springs ORV (excellent little park in AR, btw) I ran into a new JKUR owner who didn't realize he should air down. He was running MAX air pressure! I was almost scared to get close to them LOL. I helped him air down & was impressed with the fact he had flopped his brand new expensive Jeep the weekend before and was back for more!
I had a Cherokee of the same year as that Comanche. Just absolutely bombproof in the woods. It got me into and out of some really mindbending situations. Didn’t worry about scratching it either.
A friend of mine had a 1989 Jeep Comanche (MJ) with the 5 speed, 4WD and the 4.0. When he sold it, it had 467,500 miles on it and other than a mild rear main seal leak, it ran great!
The new Gladiator is interesting but from what I have seen it is too long for proper off roading. The bed is too short for any real pickup usage. It might make a good overlander but at that price, not sure that would be my first choice. Until very recently I was in the market for a midsized pickup and I am glad I didn't wait. As for the video, I have enjoyed watching this version of the cheap Jeep, thank you for all the great video's.
Sold jeeps in the late 80’s early 90. The Comanche was the best rugged truck I ever saw. The 6 cyl 4wd was unbelievable. The other smalll trucks weren’t even in the same league. I would buy one tomorrow if I could find one, but one rarely comes on the market.
I'm wish I hadn't sold my Comanche last year. Very similar to this one, 1988, short bed, 4.0L, 5 speed, 4x4 sport truck with the bench seat and completely stock except wheels and rather large white wall road tires. It was so satisfing to drive, smooth long shifts, torquey inline six, great visibility, and a lot of character.
The new Gladiator is nice but I'll take the Comanche and with the $50K+ cash left over I can throw in some lockers and 4.56 gears. Heck, even do an AX15 conversion too. Or an LS swap and still have a ton of $ left over! :) Another thing is the cool factor. Park them side by side at any off road function and yeah, the Gladiator will get some looks because it is a new vehicle but the Comanche will getting all the attention, especially after a couple years when Gladiators are everywhere.
Well I mean he did manage to back a Tesla into a brick wall that is equipped with several cameras and sensors to aid in driving them....so adding a cheesy sticker to a classic vehicle's paint doesn't surprise me at all.
I drove my Red '88 Comanche throughout my senior year (class of 2000) and everyone made fun of it. Oh and I do mean everybody - even the kids on the bus laughed. So I watch these videos and its all smiles and WOWs and the young-un thinks its so badass... inner teenage me is crying tears of joy!!! BTW mine had the tan interior with black fenders and the funky steel wheels with the plastic center caps LOL maybe thats what got me laughed at?
For the price of a Gladiator, you can build a very capable Commanche, XJ, YJ or TJ, and a slightly used 1/2 ton for a daily driver and tow rig, and a trailer to tow the trail rig on.
Mechanically the Comanche is a Cherokee with a longer wheelbase. Parts for XJ Cherokees are available anywhere. I have three of them and have never had a problem finding any parts.
That gladiator is about as long as an aircraft carrier. Too much for me. Give me a two door version (preferably with a turbo diesel) and I’ll sell a kidney to get one
Thing is, the people I knew, as-well-as myself, were not off-roading in Jeeps and Suzuki's back in the 1980's. We were using 1970's Chevy and Ford trucks, with the occasional K5 Blazer. I would off road in my 1970 Chevy 4x4 with Dana 60's. We had a lot of fun and they were tough trucks!!
Always loved the Comanche, the Jeep Cherokee pickup. Would like to have one, but I don't need another Jeep :D I really hope Jeep is going to come out with a 2 door Gladiator
my dad did lots of off roading in CO with an old scout 800, 3 speed manual, which had a locked up slant 4 stock, but they put a ranger 2.3 in it. the axles had to be replaced because the original rears were weak.
I think I may have heard some comment about the degree of it but I'm not sure not complaining too much though the show isn't that bad but could definitely be better
For real offloading there is no comparison, Comanche is better. Approach, departure, breakover angles as well as width, length, and weight. We haven't even mentioned price and reliability yet, put some real axels under it and pocket the 45k!
Notice the shell casings for tire inflator caps. lol (on the Comanche) And I was with Tommy dead on about the Gladiator comparison to a bus. Same moment he said bus I was saying .. bus. lol
Loved the video guys. Love seeing clean MJ's even if they aren't heavily modified. You picked the perfect trail for this test but what sucks is the video does zero justice to how steep some of those decents actually are.
Jordan Henson what are you talking about? Go to fords website and look at the raptor. Everything on it is 59.7k out the door. Go educate yourself before you make yourself look like an idiot... oh wait too late
Pretty cool to see that the frame was so unique on the old comanche with such a huge payload capacity I always thought they were just dodge Dakota's with a Cherokee body on them although I have to admit I loved our old 92 Dakota with the 318ci magnum v8 & 4x4 that truck was capable of some crazy stuff on the trails
I've gotten one stuck with an uncle and a cousin during winter coyote hunting. Took a 3/4 ton Chevy to finally pull us out after digging for 4 hours. We had to climb out of the windows to get out of the vehicle with the snow being so deep. That's what it takes to get one of those stuck. Impressive machines. Cheap too.
It's pretty amazing what y'all were able to do to with the comanche. I'm wanting to restore an 80's Nissan Hardbody truck like the original Desert Runner.
Watch our "cheap jeep (sponsored by BFG and TERAFLEX)" spank a new Gladiator off road...... It would be impressive if it was in fact a "cheap jeep" and not a sponsored Comanche build that is far north of 10k.
Id still wager that commanche is less than 60k even with the upgrades. Actually. I dont have to. They put about 10k into the MJ. Plus purchase price. Sponsored or not, this simply proves that old school.with a mild set of upgrades can do enough to make one wonder where that 60k goes
The Teraflex kit on that Commanche is about 1200 bucks (probably less because they only used the front half of the kit), the tires about 1000 for the set. And they dropped a couple grand for the transmission rebuild. Still definitely in cheap Jeep territory.
More like $4,000 in upgrades max. Probably closer to $2,800 since they only used the front lift and those tires can be had for 950 out the door and the lift for just under 2k. I can find a comanche for around 2k in that shape so maybe 6k total.
I have seen a Toyota Corolla do Fins and things in Moab. Take em Hells Gate or the Escalator. Best part would be filming the unloading of the trucks from the 70k tow vehicles. Cause they didn't drive em to Moab.
I was thinking the same thing. Fins and Things is a fun trail for stock vehicles, but there's so much better and more challenging trails they could have done. Hell's Gate would be the logical next step in difficulty for sure.
No spanking at all. The Glad still managed without lockers, just a few extra scraping. Notice that the majority of the obstacles involved descending, since I'm sure the venerable Comanche is underpowered at that altitude with 33" rubber. All in all a fun comparison, but the title is clickbait. Roman hit the nail on the head: today's truck sales are also targeting the recreational segment, which is the hottest segment in the market. 👍
I am with you here. They were NEVER going to retool their factories to re-create the Comanche. Financially speaking it was going to be way easier to just slap a bed on the back of a JL. But I am with you. This is NOT worth the hype. Certainly NOT worth the $ they are asking for.
It's not just a matter of tooling. The original design of the XJ/MJ would NEVER pass emissions and safety regulations today. There's no way around that not without what amounts to a full redesign anyway. Emissions and CAFE standards alone mean we will never see a boxy SUV like the XJ again. It's part of the reason so many SUVs and Crossovers today look the same. There's only so much you can do with the shape of a vehicle to help it stay fuel efficient.
@@WW-wf8tu Except they didn't just slap a bed on the JL. The JT has a completely new frame made for truck duty and borrows a lot of components from the new Ram 1500 like the 5-link rear coil spring suspension which makes nicer ride than a JL. They also added a high-speed range to the T-case like a Raptor has for Baja blasting and the Gladi Rubi gets Fox 2.0 Racing shocks isntead of the normal Rubicon shocks.
Just loving that Jeep makes a truck again! All the hate these days 🙁 people just need to take a step back and appreciate that we live in a world where these both exist! I just Love Jeep trucks! Just glad the tradition is finally continuing after all these years! I believe Mark Allen still has some trucks coming. People will get the Jeep trucks they want. They just won’t have to wait 30 years like me. Love the Comanche, j10, Willy’s, cj8 and the Forward controls! Can’t wait to see what truck Mark and his team roll out next! Love how you guy’s bring old school and new school together! Keep up the fantastic work, you are making Saturday Car-toons cool again! Thanks
@@glentight we have a 2015 jeep 4dr wrangler. Lifted 4". Little bit bigger tires on stock wheels. The lift was needed. 410 Detroit locker for the rear. Limited slip 410 front. 6 spd auto. With all of this to make it play worthy, so it won't scrape my undercarriage. Heheh. The v6 wasn't enough. So we installed a whipple supercharger. All of this to compete with my husband's 1979 jeep honcho. His was a military keep pickup he got at an auction for $300.00. It was equipped w 1.5 ton military axles. 8 stud hubs heavy duty. 4 sod trans and a military transfer case. 8leaf susp. Front and rear. Hubby installed the airbag system instead of shocks. The engine was a 360 v8. He reinstalled a 392 hemi old-school. Holley injection. This thing is crazy. Military marine camp paint. Pro buckets with leather padding and Simpson seat belts. The gear in this is a 390 front and rear. We are looking into a 5 0r 6spd manual. Just gotta get the numbers correct. 😃
Wow that 4.0 i6 sounds fantastic! Wish Jeep still made them simple and bullet proof like that.
Since emission regs are partly what killed them, I wish they would try the same engine, but with an overhead cam and VVT and a 24 valve setup...maybe even do aluminum block since they make them better now.
Gas milage was lackluster on the 4.0 as well.
Yes 4.0 mpg sucks ass. And here in Europe we pay 7 dollars a gallon approx so old Jeep owners are royally screwed!
Not much worse though than Chrysler's lackluster World engine in the Liberty. Or most other Big 3 SUV 6/8 cylinder equipped SUV's in the decade that followed the 4.0 i6's demise...
Automakers don't do that anymore, they want you to buy a new vehicle every couple years...or sooner.
They would of never stopped,thank an al gore fan leftist pos for that.
Honestly, I think the Comanche is the best looking small truck ever. Lots of character for such a boxy thing.
I like boxy
I Like Boxy Butts and Cannot Lie🤪
Toyota pickups tend to disagree
The original Tacoma’s with a solid axel swap?
You you ui juli
Tommy: "And just look at the flex in this suspensi-"
*tires furiously dig into wheel wells*
next time your in the Comanche put it in 4low and 1st gear down the hill instead of riding the breaks. just a tip
Yep! Done that!😎👍
Yep. I've seen to many brake lines go out to not ride 4L when I can
Your gears are much more efficient than your brakes. Low Low is your friend.
Yeah, 4low first gear who needs breaks?
@Chip Fisher yeah I too like to be an off read I like to take my essays to the extreme
I think I just learned how to save $50K when going off-roading in a Jeep.
I guess it's pretty nice to have the money to spend on a new truck just to tear it the hell up while not caring at all.
Go hiking?
You get a patrol or a defender?
Truth Space that, or buy a $2k used dirtbike. So much more fun...
@@Hammbone2519 You need place to sleep and eat. that's what 4x4 trucks for 😂
I'd rather have the comanche any day what a cool truck thanks for the content
like the fact that you guys take the time to promote older 4x4's showing that a person can get out there and have just as much fun (and sometimes more fun) at a much lower cost. And, it's fun to watch the playful rivalry between you guys when comparing an older to new vehicle.
You dont see the new jeeps competing in the real world. At all the jeep events you see maybe 3 the entire day make a pathetic attempt but these things cant offroad. The comanche is a better Jeep in an offroad aspect. Thats ignoring the fact that the comanche is also more reliable, built to a higher quality, safer, better looking and an actual jeep
ReNegaDe-SpitFire not nearly as safe
I would rather have the old Comanche
Don Mohring me too!
They should bring back the old one. Clearly. It is perfect.
Same here!! 👍
@@bosse641 They just need to give it bigger wheel arches to make those 33s fit without needing a lift.
John Grytbakk they would but it would cost too much to build more than 2 bricks, they’re already penalized for them enough they can’t afford it.
I’ll take that old ‘89 all day long. 4.0/5 speed 4wd. Yeah, and WING WINDOWS!!
The wing windows don't open...
Some 4.10 gears. A locker in the back and some swaybar disconnects up front and that little Commanche would embarass a lot of Jeeps wearing Rubicon badges.
Don't even need any Swaybar disconnecting to embarrass Rubi owners with old jeeps
I have a TJ Rubi. I was pulling my friends with JKs and Toyotas out of the mud so often that I installed a Sprintex supercharger kit to make it easier. Now I'm pulling their JLs out of the mud. They grow up so fast...
Kenan Mitchell the TJ Rubicon is one of my all time favorite vehicles. When that 4.0 finally needs a rebuild in 20 years throw in a 4.2 crank. Love those TJ Rubi’s.
Rubicons are a joke. 8-10 of them I see are sporting low pros, light bar and winch. Flawless paint. Mall crawlers...
“Scraping your butt more than a Kardashian walking through a narrow door”. 😂
PlanesTrainsAutos how did those idiots even become famous? For being stupid? No that cant be because then everyone would be famous especially them.
And that new jeep dont look very good anyways in my opinion
Kim K's back bumper is on point 💪😁💪
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A sheila has gotta have a big bottom end, more to grab😉
This is why so many guys just re-build older Jeeps. I just upgraded my 97 ZJ that has been in the family 20 years, and it runs great, does what I want it to. We put about 2k into it, and it gets our recreation driving done. 4W Drive - new stereo - new shocks - new AC, new steering, and I can still feed my family. I love the new stuff, but I really appreciate that U guys still tweek yesterdays cool stuff. Thanks for a great VID!
Very nice. My parents had a ZJ Limited for 20 years and wished they had kept it over the new grand Cherokee that replaced it. The ZJ was much more comfortable and felt more trucky. It also had great visibility and no screen that takes three menu clicks to turn on the heated seats.
Was not an easy decision, but just about every part has been changed since 97. And my mechanic knows how to work on these trucks. I did not have to start from scratch and change every part in the truck.
We even have the gas tank recall fix & a big rear skid plate. We did not want to pay 40k+ for a new jeep - and we like what we have.
Don’t typically comment, but loved this series of videos. Keep the great Jeep content coming! The father-son duo works great too.
@MrFloppypancakes for what reason are you calling him a twat for? Another dickhead troll
On exhaust note: WIN to the Comanche.
No surprise that a full custom exhaust sounds better than stock.
@@Stuka87 4.0L I-6 vs 3.6L V6
C7 GT1 I am aware they have different engines. I own both. Both can sound great. But in this case one has factory quiet exhaust, and one doesn’t.
gotta love the bungee cord exhaust hangers
I'd prolly still prefer the 4.0 over any v6. With the right exhaust it sound like a cummins
Let’s see how that gladiator is holding up in 30 years. Stop trying to sale me on that land yacht. I’d love to wheel with that red MJ.
@@ruckuswithani4451 cell*
k bruh ur so cool
Holding up in 30 years,, They had to fix that Comanche and lift it with new stuff and add bigger tires before they could even get on the trail that it couldn't even ride on stock,, with the huge aftermarket parts out there in 30 years you can do the same thing to the Gladiator if needed which I think will have to,, but also in 30 years those trails might be closed off for only hikers and bicycles like they're doing everywhere else now..
@Vlad cccp don't know if you've ever been to a junkyard, but Cherokees and Comanches are about as common as sand at the beach.
@RDLONG30 you realize several models of older Jeeps came from the factory with a built-in pyrotechnics show due to shitty wiring, right? New electronics are built far better than whatever is in your 30 year old shitbox. The Comanche PCMs are notoriously bad, along with fuse blocks literally becoming molten, and basic systems like headlights and turn signals that fail for no reason. 😂
60k for ANY Jeep is too much.
Sean Turkington mmmm idk, an Ls swap or duramax/Cummins swap could make me spend that, other than that, I agree
Not just a jeep, a fiat jeep!
Srt grand cherokees are nice compared to most suvs out there.
Suckers pay
Said Abimelec I paid 40k for my used SRT Jeep and it’s worth every penny. Adaptive cruise, ac seats, blind spot, all the bells and whistles plus will outrun 99.9% of cars on the road
The 2 door Gladiator would have been awesome here. Really wanting Jeep to make it.
Josue Villanueva Fiat Chrysler is the ones who own Jeep name.
They won't make one, no market for them anymore. I wish they would too, but it's not going to happen.
I maybe in minority, but I'd rather spend $5-10,000 on that Comanche then $35,000 on the gladiator
The cheapest jeep gladiator I can see online in 43k
@@vxnova1 Maybe your zip code is shitty. The Sport starts out at $33,040 here
Went to the dealer to check them out found a Rubicon 75k !!..wtf!..
@@OfficialMarkieB On the jeep website the lowest priced model is a base model sport. msrp is $ 33 545. .The Msrp on a Rubicon starts at $43,595 Fully loaded like the one in the video is over $60,000. That is from the Jeep website build and price.That is without title ,taxes etc. To say you can get one cheaper than msrp right now is just a lie.
You are in the majority bud.
Even if I had the money to buy the Gladiator, I would still rather have the Comanche and put the money I saved towards upgrades, body work and a nice long road trip and still have money in the bank.
That's easy to say until you actually sit in one and drive it. And then it hits you oh dear Lord this is way nicer then any other midsize truck..... got to have it !
I knew this was going to happen but I kind of had to drive it cuz I work at the dealership and it needed gas
@@theejoeylee haha sorry to hear it the reason I want the new gladiator so bad is cause I own a 1984 Jeep J10
TheeJoeyLee Its nice because it’s basically a overpriced Jeep Wrangler.
Pretty sure you can get a Tacoma/Colorado and a Wrangler for the price of this ugly ass Gladiator.
Not all Gladiators cost $60k, it's a misconception that this channel keeps propagating.
I'd rather have a new Gladiator, sorry.
Love the Comanche, but if I'm going on a road trip or spend time behind the wheel, I choose new.
I have an old TJ, and it's my baby. But after 45 minutes, my head is ready to explode, and my back is shot 😆😆😆
@@Who-Uhm-Cares Actually the Colorado ZR2 cost more than the Rubicon, and the Bison is even more. Research before posting.
The Comanche looks killer with the lift/tires, great job on a clean and functional set up.
You ought to compare the Gladiator to a J-10 or J-20 Jeep Pickup from the sixties to early 70's.
One thing I really love about my XJ, and it is the same in the MJ, is how much stuff you can do with a single Phillips and flat head screw driver. With just that you can take off most parts of the front clip, and take apart almost all of the dash as well. If you had a few sockets then you can do pretty much anything you want
I've done just about everything on my YJ with an ammo box full of tools, including pulling the transmission, replacing the transfer case (in a hotel parking lot), and just about everything other than rebuilding the engine. I could probably do that, too. I do hate the mix of SAE & metric fasteners, though.
Fun video critiquing the gladiator's bloated size. Hope Jeep is watching. Bring on the J6 HONCHO! At least in kit form. Can't wait for the Suzuki video👍
I was in Moab earlier this year and I can proudly say that Fins N' Things was a great "course" for beginner drivers and for experienced drivers too!
I’m absolutely loving the Comanche. Great job on the upgrades guys. Enjoyed the video as always.
That old Comanche looks great with the red paint, lift kit, and 33" tires.
CentralCoastCamper I think the tires are to big.
That i6 sounds so much better! The Comanche would've benefited from a better driver. Beginner mistakes, riding the brakes etc.
i wish they would make a 2 door version of the gladiator
Eastern NC Mud Slingers they will, but only if sales exceed expectations for the gladiator.
It was considered but there is no realm market for a 2 door pickup. Everyone is buying crew cabs and SUVs
honestly they should've gone extended cab to split the difference of form and function
Look up the J6 concept truck from jeep
Dude, nobody would buy that. It would just be a jeep token vehicle. Everybody always wants more hardcore less practical stuff, they just don’t actually buy it.
The Jeep Comanche:
The front is like a Cherokee,
The back is like a truck.
The front is where you drive,
The back is where you... you know... haul stuff.
Fun video ...
Comanche is dwarfed by the 33’s
Gladiator dwarfs the 33’s
Gladiator begs for the 40’s
40s would be asking a LOT of any 6 cylinder. Hemi swap into the JL is probably just as insanely expensive as it is to swap one into a JK.
Already has the beefier DANA axles, gearing for crawl ratio is the best out there. They already addressed cooling issues for the towing capabilities. By the numbers, 260lbs of torque should be more than capable
@@mrvwbug4423 4.56 or 5.13 gears would be cheaper than a Hemi.
@@RKmndo but not as fun as a Hemi :D
@@mrvwbug4423 True.
Did you air down the tires at all? Both Jeeps seemed pretty stiff on this trip, especially the Commanche.
@@averagejoemike5600 no. It is not overated. Stick to your gravel roads and campsites bud
@@averagejoemike5600 Having "Never aired down before" makes you incompetent at coming to a conclusion about the effectiveness of changing tire pressure.
Average Joe Mike 4x4 101: air down. Just try it on a real trail and you will see why it’s so important. It is obvious that you are not a serious off-roader, which is fine but don’t argue with those of us who experienced, especially over something that is so basic.
Last time I was at Hot Springs ORV (excellent little park in AR, btw) I ran into a new JKUR owner who didn't realize he should air down. He was running MAX air pressure! I was almost scared to get close to them LOL. I helped him air down & was impressed with the fact he had flopped his brand new expensive Jeep the weekend before and was back for more!
I had a Cherokee of the same year as that Comanche. Just absolutely bombproof in the woods. It got me into and out of some really mindbending situations.
Didn’t worry about scratching it either.
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Tommy with the zingers to his dad alone is worth watching this.
those late 80s - early 90s jeep ignition and engine sounds... brings back memories
Love the father son videos keep em comming!!
A friend of mine had a 1989 Jeep Comanche (MJ) with the 5 speed, 4WD and the 4.0. When he sold it, it had 467,500 miles on it and other than a mild rear main seal leak, it ran great!
The new Gladiator is interesting but from what I have seen it is too long for proper off roading. The bed is too short for any real pickup usage. It might make a good overlander but at that price, not sure that would be my first choice. Until very recently I was in the market for a midsized pickup and I am glad I didn't wait. As for the video, I have enjoyed watching this version of the cheap Jeep, thank you for all the great video's.
Reminds me of my old XJ two door. Man I miss that truck. Nothing could stop that straight six.
Great job Roman and Tommy..!! I really dig the father-son videos..!!
Sold jeeps in the late 80’s early 90. The Comanche was the best rugged truck I ever saw. The 6 cyl 4wd was unbelievable. The other smalll trucks weren’t even in the same league. I would buy one tomorrow if I could find one, but one rarely comes on the market.
I'll just say that I'm real jealous of you for getting that Comanche. I wish I had one.
I've always loved the Comanche.. I owned a 89, it was bullet proof... Wish I still had it..
The Comanche is better for the simple fact it's not a ridiculous crew cab .
you can have that old Comanche I will take the Ridiculous Crew cab
A crew cab isn't ridiculous if you use it often. But I get your point in the context of a performance test. It's not really apples to apples.
That Comanche is so good looking! It reminds me of my first vehicle, a Dodge D50.
That Comanche is a beauty! I would totally drive and feel myself proud of having it ✌️😉👍
I'm wish I hadn't sold my Comanche last year. Very similar to this one, 1988, short bed, 4.0L, 5 speed, 4x4 sport truck with the bench seat and completely stock except wheels and rather large white wall road tires. It was so satisfing to drive, smooth long shifts, torquey inline six, great visibility, and a lot of character.
Haha... ZR2 diff lock switch pic at 6:54?! Love the show! The Comanche turned out great!
The new Gladiator is nice but I'll take the Comanche and with the $50K+ cash left over I can throw in some lockers and 4.56 gears. Heck, even do an AX15 conversion too. Or an LS swap and still have a ton of $ left over! :)
Another thing is the cool factor. Park them side by side at any off road function and yeah, the Gladiator will get some looks because it is a new vehicle but the Comanche will getting all the attention, especially after a couple years when Gladiators are everywhere.
You could even throw in a 4BT Cummins in it
It pained my soul to watch Tommy put a sticker on the body of the vehicle......
I thought they were going to install sidewalk feelers as well to complete the look.
Well I mean he did manage to back a Tesla into a brick wall that is equipped with several cameras and sensors to aid in driving them....so adding a cheesy sticker to a classic vehicle's paint doesn't surprise me at all.
That is what happens when you are sponsored. They didn’t get free Falcon shocks and suspension from a “thank you “
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I drove my Red '88 Comanche throughout my senior year (class of 2000) and everyone made fun of it. Oh and I do mean everybody - even the kids on the bus laughed. So I watch these videos and its all smiles and WOWs and the young-un thinks its so badass... inner teenage me is crying tears of joy!!! BTW mine had the tan interior with black fenders and the funky steel wheels with the plastic center caps LOL maybe thats what got me laughed at?
6:55 what truck are those dash buttons from, zr2??? Who edited that B roll?
I got an 87 Comanche. She needs some love, but what a cool Jeep to have. They are rare.
6:57 is a clip from the ZR2 vs tacoma episode. Those are the locker switches of the ZR2.
I was going to say that does NOT look like a Jeep! Hahaha
Good eye
Gladiator for the daily driver/weekend warrior.
The Comanche for weekend warrior/and I have 30k to spend on other things.
For the price of a Gladiator, you can build a very capable Commanche, XJ, YJ or TJ, and a slightly used 1/2 ton for a daily driver and tow rig, and a trailer to tow the trail rig on.
Are you going to upgrade the samurai's tires and suspension like you did the Comanche?
I think if they did it would blow away the Comanche. A Samurai is basically a street legal ATV.
I met a guy once who owned a Sidekick/Samuri that had a 4.3L Vortec V6 in it. It was bad ass!
If you put 35’s an up on a samurai you can literally float across rivers and lake like a sherp.
The Samurai is smaller than some side by sides. They make incredible little rock crawlers once lifted.
They put a new set of Yokohama Geolandar A/T tires on the Suzuki a few months ago.
I put a set of KM3 33's on my Wrangler a couple months ago and i love them.
In 30 years you’ll be able to compare the Comanche to the newest Jeep but the Gladiators could be extinct.
Yup
Well the comanche may actually be extinct by then as well. Even today parts are HARD to find for those trucks.
That is if you need parts...
@@kirbyflk3969 all vehicles, no matter how well made, need parts eventually.
Mechanically the Comanche is a Cherokee with a longer wheelbase. Parts for XJ Cherokees are available anywhere. I have three of them and have never had a problem finding any parts.
I love the Father /Son Excursion challenges. You guys put a lot of work into the video and it shows!
That gladiator is about as long as an aircraft carrier. Too much for me. Give me a two door version (preferably with a turbo diesel) and I’ll sell a kidney to get one
Pretty much my thoughts.. Sell a short chassis version with that ecodiesel (i think thats an option as far as engine goes)
Word is there is a 2 door in the works and the diesel will be available later this year.
Thing is, the people I knew, as-well-as myself, were not off-roading in Jeeps and Suzuki's back in the 1980's. We were using 1970's Chevy and Ford trucks, with the occasional K5 Blazer. I would off road in my 1970 Chevy 4x4 with Dana 60's. We had a lot of fun and they were tough trucks!!
Always loved the Comanche, the Jeep Cherokee pickup. Would like to have one, but I don't need another Jeep :D I really hope Jeep is going to come out with a 2 door Gladiator
my dad did lots of off roading in CO with an old scout 800, 3 speed manual, which had a locked up slant 4 stock, but they put a ranger 2.3 in it. the axles had to be replaced because the original rears were weak.
Tires are way to big for that Comanche. Rub-a-dub. Not to mention drivetrain strain. But cheap vs. correct job TFL
The Comanche reminds me of a 84 85 hilux
Can’t wait to get a gladiator though 👍👍😍😍😍😍
"hard to tell you how steep it is" but doesn't the gladiator have pitch and roll gauges wouldn't those be able to tell you?
If they knew how to read them.
I think I may have heard some comment about the degree of it but I'm not sure not complaining too much though the show isn't that bad but could definitely be better
Nice job on the video guys… The Comanche looked amazing with that stance… Thanks
Don't worry Tommy, you can fall down anything. The hard part is getting up.
"It's hard to tell you how steep this is" press the down arrow twice on the steering wheel and it will tell you... lol
TFL is better than anything on TV.
The Grand Tour
The 4.0L is the best motor Jeep ever had.
Got to love old/older Jeeps, simplicity at its best.
For real offloading there is no comparison, Comanche is better. Approach, departure, breakover angles as well as width, length, and weight. We haven't even mentioned price and reliability yet, put some real axels under it and pocket the 45k!
Notice the shell casings for tire inflator caps. lol (on the Comanche) And I was with Tommy dead on about the Gladiator comparison to a bus. Same moment he said bus I was saying .. bus. lol
The trailer hitch makes a good wear bar. eh ;o)
Loved the video guys. Love seeing clean MJ's even if they aren't heavily modified. You picked the perfect trail for this test but what sucks is the video does zero justice to how steep some of those decents actually are.
I’d love an old Comanche but they’re so damn hard to find if you want something decent
In my area there is tons of them but that's probably just really good luck.
Ray P not in Canada I mean
Ray P what area?
@@crazynut5 Rhode island, mostly in Warwick and southern Rhode island
@@rayp2112 ship one to me
Thank You for finally flipping the front grill right side up 😅 could Not take it any more! 😎
I have a1992 Comanche I didn't pay much for it . I love it.
Lucky
You guys keep impressing me with videos that i did not know i wanted to see. Thank you.
If I am going to spend 60k on a truck I am not getting a Jeep.
Raptor FTW. Jeep's reliability just doesn't cut it for 60k, I could get a Raptor with everything on it for less than that.
@@robdog1245 raptor stock is like 80k what the hell are you talking about 😂😂
Jordan Henson a used one is like 50k-25k
@@kimschobel15 no one asked.
Jordan Henson what are you talking about? Go to fords website and look at the raptor. Everything on it is 59.7k out the door. Go educate yourself before you make yourself look like an idiot... oh wait too late
Tommy, that Comanche is CLEAN AS HELL. Well done, my man.
the head of Jeep design... LOL LOL!
Glad my Jeep made it in the background in several shots, wish you had included my warning to you though lol.
Was your son's rant about what a Jeep pickup for offroading a hint at the blue 2 door Jeep we saw earlier?
Pretty cool to see that the frame was so unique on the old comanche with such a huge payload capacity I always thought they were just dodge Dakota's with a Cherokee body on them although I have to admit I loved our old 92 Dakota with the 318ci magnum v8 & 4x4 that truck was capable of some crazy stuff on the trails
I have a completely factory 96 Cherokee and I tried to get it stuck and just can't.
Steve Kelley I’ve got a completely stock 97 Jeep Wrangler Sahara and I can’t get mine stuck either
I've gotten one stuck with an uncle and a cousin during winter coyote hunting. Took a 3/4 ton Chevy to finally pull us out after digging for 4 hours. We had to climb out of the windows to get out of the vehicle with the snow being so deep. That's what it takes to get one of those stuck. Impressive machines. Cheap too.
@@bobdoingstuff4180 yes they are . My brother got a humvee stuck over sea in the desert in Afghanistan . That I'm sure he got teased about.
It's pretty amazing what y'all were able to do to with the comanche. I'm wanting to restore an 80's Nissan Hardbody truck like the original Desert Runner.
Watch our "cheap jeep (sponsored by BFG and TERAFLEX)" spank a new Gladiator off road...... It would be impressive if it was in fact a "cheap jeep" and not a sponsored Comanche build that is far north of 10k.
Slow clap applause for OG Chonch.
Id still wager that commanche is less than 60k even with the upgrades. Actually. I dont have to. They put about 10k into the MJ. Plus purchase price. Sponsored or not, this simply proves that old school.with a mild set of upgrades can do enough to make one wonder where that 60k goes
The Teraflex kit on that Commanche is about 1200 bucks (probably less because they only used the front half of the kit), the tires about 1000 for the set. And they dropped a couple grand for the transmission rebuild. Still definitely in cheap Jeep territory.
More like $4,000 in upgrades max. Probably closer to $2,800 since they only used the front lift and those tires can be had for 950 out the door and the lift for just under 2k. I can find a comanche for around 2k in that shape so maybe 6k total.
I have seen a Toyota Corolla do Fins and things in Moab. Take em Hells Gate or the Escalator. Best part would be filming the unloading of the trucks from the 70k tow vehicles. Cause they didn't drive em to Moab.
I was thinking the same thing. Fins and Things is a fun trail for stock vehicles, but there's so much better and more challenging trails they could have done. Hell's Gate would be the logical next step in difficulty for sure.
No spanking at all. The Glad still managed without lockers, just a few extra scraping.
Notice that the majority of the obstacles involved descending, since I'm sure the venerable Comanche is underpowered at that altitude with 33" rubber.
All in all a fun comparison, but the title is clickbait.
Roman hit the nail on the head: today's truck sales are also targeting the recreational segment, which is the hottest segment in the market. 👍
This video is like war, long periods of boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror.
Just like police work! 😂
They are acting as if the gladiator is scraping so hard it's just the hitch calm down bro lol
Facts
Never should have sold my Comanche...miss her everyday. That being said, yours sits just right, looks awesome!
Bring back the comanche, no changes but power windows and locks.
I am with you here. They were NEVER going to retool their factories to re-create the Comanche. Financially speaking it was going to be way easier to just slap a bed on the back of a JL. But I am with you. This is NOT worth the hype. Certainly NOT worth the $ they are asking for.
It's not just a matter of tooling. The original design of the XJ/MJ would NEVER pass emissions and safety regulations today. There's no way around that not without what amounts to a full redesign anyway.
Emissions and CAFE standards alone mean we will never see a boxy SUV like the XJ again. It's part of the reason so many SUVs and Crossovers today look the same. There's only so much you can do with the shape of a vehicle to help it stay fuel efficient.
@@WW-wf8tu ..they didnt slap a bed on the JL ...different frame ..cant even be built on the same assembly line .
@@WW-wf8tu Except they didn't just slap a bed on the JL. The JT has a completely new frame made for truck duty and borrows a lot of components from the new Ram 1500 like the 5-link rear coil spring suspension which makes nicer ride than a JL. They also added a high-speed range to the T-case like a Raptor has for Baja blasting and the Gladi Rubi gets Fox 2.0 Racing shocks isntead of the normal Rubicon shocks.
Love the tilted camera at 4:32 and 5:18 to make it look steeper. Or maybe the horizon is just not level LOL
Give that samurai a lift and tires
My samurai is lifted 6 inch and on 33s. It's more or less unstoppable
@@jook13 What is your gearing?
The rim and tire combo on the Comanche looks badass.
I hope the Suzuki will have a lift and tires to compare it to the MJ.
Just loving that Jeep makes a truck again! All the hate these days 🙁 people just need to take a step back and appreciate that we live in a world where these both exist! I just Love Jeep trucks! Just glad the tradition is finally continuing after all these years! I believe Mark Allen still has some trucks coming. People will get the Jeep trucks they want. They just won’t have to wait 30 years like me. Love the Comanche, j10, Willy’s, cj8 and the Forward controls! Can’t wait to see what truck Mark and his team roll out next! Love how you guy’s bring old school and new school together! Keep up the fantastic work, you are making Saturday Car-toons cool again! Thanks
The older truck isn't better, it's lifted and also bigger tires for the size truck. The new keep needs a lift so it won't scrape. Duh.
P D B They’ve got the same tire sizes, and the new one has long rock rails. And better suspension, despite a lack of a lift.
Departure angle was the only real measured difference
@@glentight we have a 2015 jeep 4dr wrangler. Lifted 4". Little bit bigger tires on stock wheels. The lift was needed. 410 Detroit locker for the rear. Limited slip 410 front. 6 spd auto. With all of this to make it play worthy, so it won't scrape my undercarriage. Heheh. The v6 wasn't enough. So we installed a whipple supercharger. All of this to compete with my husband's 1979 jeep honcho. His was a military keep pickup he got at an auction for $300.00. It was equipped w 1.5 ton military axles. 8 stud hubs heavy duty. 4 sod trans and a military transfer case. 8leaf susp. Front and rear. Hubby installed the airbag system instead of shocks. The engine was a 360 v8. He reinstalled a 392 hemi old-school. Holley injection. This thing is crazy. Military marine camp paint. Pro buckets with leather padding and Simpson seat belts. The gear in this is a 390 front and rear. We are looking into a 5 0r 6spd manual. Just gotta get the numbers correct. 😃
@@pathbelow6652 Would love to see it. Sounds awesome.
I agree add a 4inch lift like they did the other truck and put on the 35's or 37's and the Gladiator won't scrape on that course,,,
This entire video was just bashing the gladiator dragging the hitch when the lifted Comanche didn't. That's a really good test guys congratulations.
Yeah... that's quite unfair for the gladiator