Javier hurts the most. He was such a great guy during RDR2, and I feel like it was very hard on him what went down. I kinda saw it coming from Bill, but not Javier...
There's dialogue from Bill, at the end of the game, where he's pretty emotional about it. He's says something to Javier about he's just destroyed about what's happening to the gang and he doesn't blame Arthur and John for it.
@@92mrbangbang really you started hating John? Javier was with the traitors. He was only loyal when it suit him. He deserved every bit of what he got. I always catch him alive so he is gonna get hung like the dog that is.
The fact that they made a whole game with a whole backstory, then 8 years later they finally made the backstory and it just makes everything make sense and fits together.
That's what I love about the original Lord of the rings trilogy, saying a bunch of terms and quotes and never explaining them unless you look up more yourself or wait long enough for an adaptation
If you play both games it really drives home the point that John had to keep convincing himself what he was doing was right all he had to do was disappear like Arthur said
@@bearhunter54321 the way I see it he's sad about what Javier turned out to be. That's why he spits on him while crying. I've known many people who have made me cry and I'd spit in their faces too. Let's just say I've been in a dark dark road for the past year. And every single time I go to my own flesh and blood brother he tell me that I should just "get over it" and that "nobody cares". Honestly I didn't cry that time when he said that. But I honestly relate to John in that scene on so many levels. Because hearing something like that from your brother isn't easy. First time I he told me something like that I cried but if given the chance I would spit in his face. Just like John. And not just a brother but, exes, ex best friends and teachers who I trusted and looked up to. This game hit me hard because I see ALOT of the people in my life and they're very similar to characters such as John, Javier, and Dutch and unfortunately I've ran into a few Micah's as well. Although they've all made me cry. I'd still spit in their faces. Didn't mean to get personal but this game made me see things very clearly. It's a beautiful story and sadly something I relate to. Obviously I'm not an outlaw, but I've been in my fair share of trouble with the cops. John spit because not only is he heartbroken by what his brother in arms turned out to be but he's pissed that he's been forced to be in a situation where he has to sentence his brother to death. So he spits on him to detach.
It’s sad how devote Javier was to the gang only to have Dutch break him mentally. It’s said javier takes the splitting up of the group the hardest, which makes sense when you hear his story. Dutch literally taught him English and gave Javier a fighting chance to survive in America, only to completely fuck him over for his own gain. Brutal.
well.. lots of speculations about what happened to dutch. mental illness, delusion, gone crazy when hosea was killed and nobody could keep him in check, or maybe what john said to sadie-dutch didn't change, he just turned into what he really is. we didn't know what exactly happened when javier joined in, but he was so hugely in debt to dutch, or like what u said, he owed him his life thus loyalty
Dutch leaving all of his children just to see the rat years later made me hate him so much more after everything they all did for him Dutch just abandoned them like they were nothing he left Lenny after he was shot, wanted John to rot in Jail, Left Arthur to be killed by the Army, left eagle flies to die after his PLAN went south, he left John to die after the train robbery, he left miss Grimshaw to die and sided with the man that shot her, he even left Arthur during his final moments he never cared if he did he would have stayed by his side and after all that he just leaves bill and Javier after all they did for him he just left them with nothing did he even care for Sean or Jack or was it all just an excuse to have revenge on the Grays and Braithwaites he did talk about revenge for his father
Javi never beat jhon and left him for dead in the arm of the law It might not be hate, but jhon should have forgiven Javi and just beatten him and told him to live a clean life or hes comming back
Javier is clearly shown as one of the men that left John to die along with Dutch and Micah. Javier is also seen multiple times throughout chapter 6 berating John and his family for their lack of faith in Dutch so no I think what you meant was that they didn’t always hate each other but as the gang became more broken the animosity between them grew and by rdr1 they’re no longer friends
@@donovanulrich348Javier literally did leave John to die twice. John has no choice but to capture him. I have a feeling you didn’t play rdr if you think John is able to let him go live a clean life
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u when the government tells you to kill or be killed Know you already have a toe tag, they just needed a puppet to control the narrative. And they picked you No I don't think John from rdr would have been hunted by Javier, if he would have stayed out of his old life
Fun Fact: Even Javier’s VA and motion cap actor is so heartbroken over Javier betraying Arthur and John that he requested Javier to not have his gun point at them during the gang shootout scene in chapter 6
Nobody mentions Arthur in Rdr because he didn’t exist at the time… but now that he does I like to think it’s because they all know he’d be disappointed in them.
Javier’s shift of character at the end of RDR2 was so sudden that even his actor felt that Rockstar was doing him a disservice. I just think that more depth should have been given to the development of his character shift because the Javier we get in RDR1 and RDR2 are two completely different people.
I think a lot of Javiers attitude not only comes from changes in his life after the gang, such as being betrayed by dutch and running with seemingly bad people afterward. But also that John was the one to take him in, I think he's telling the truth when he says he still loves him like a brother, forcing the two to fight must've been heartbreaking for both of them
I didn't find it to be a huge shift, I saw him as being loyal to Dutch and then 12 years of resentment later, he condemns John for supposedly tearing apart the group
Javier deserved better. he never even left Arthur and John's side, he was afraid to in the final mission, (i believe he doesn't aim his gun at you or he hesitates it's smth like that) i understand John's family was at risk, but Javier was like family for John, he even says that when john was aiming a gun at him "We was family." -Javier Escuella, 1911. Escuella came for John to rescue him from wolves in the mountains, Marston came for Javier to lock him in a cell.
He saw jhon and Arthur as redeemable, but considered himself to far fallen It should hit hard. Jhon is working for the Pinkertons, the government. . Just a bigger organized gang. . . Killing old friends cuz your new friends said so Dutch had it comming
@@b.u.l.1734 it felt pretty rushed tbh, he felt like a guy who'd be loyal to his companions at first, he was the one who suggested to look for John to arthur, but then he suddenly didn't care at all lmao
@@feelcollins4358 It's not sudden tho... There's a camp conversation in which you can see Bill implant the idea in his mind that John is a rat. He's suspicious of John from then on.
@@b.u.l.1734 bro marston was among the oldest members in the gang alongside Arthur with over 15-20 years, they already know his character. It didn't even take a whole year for the whole camp except Dutch to know micah is scummy and more likely to backstab someone, Arthur was especially wary of this even. I'm pretty sure bill and javier had a feeling at least that micah was untrustworthy, but they trusted Dutch who was blind to micah's deception.
@@luckygraves6985 not really, john would be carried by arthur over to the horses so arthur would move slower while fighting the wolves, and have less mobility, and they would probably kill him.
@@JavierEscuella1899 yea you literally do the same thing online in bounty hunting. Except instead of saving the "wolfman" you're taking him to jail with a lot more wolves coming after you than the like 10 you kill in story mode
@@gamingwizard1569 for Jack yes i would love that. But Javier is really a low cunning rat basterd. He is a two timing coward. He'd make a terrible main character.
@@0b100 no i love both games... But Javier is a dirthy rat basterd maybe not as vile as Micah but certainly not much better either. Bill was a idiot with a mean streak but he didn't really couldn't help himself. But Javier is as sweet talking poser who knew very well what he did.
I’d you’re old enough to have played RDR1 first, then the second games story makes the first ones story all the more sad. Also shows John’s growth as a man.
Yeah I mean he neglected his family for so long if they weren't there he would be much harder in the gang then he already was I don't think he'd betray Arthur in the end tho cause John does have some form of a conscious and Arthur is his most valued brother
@@negativecreep9140 You’re exaggerating the amount of time that John was actually a bad father. And also just because he neglected his family years ago doesn’t mean he doesn’t have any responsibility for their lives. At this point John has been a better father literally 4 times longer than he was a bad one and he never “betrayed” Javier going after him he was forced to go after Javier and you’re forgetting that Javier left John for dead on the last train job in rdr2 so Javier betrayed John first, and this scene would be Johns revenge even though the main reason he’s doing it is for his family and not revenge
@@josephstalin2606 I never said anything about him betraying Javier... and he left the gang and his family for a whole year and wasn't very interested in his family through most of the game until he figures out what his priorities should be and changes his ways I never said John is a bad father, he tries his best and he's my favourite protagonist dude Also, I meant if Abigail and Jack never existed then John would have nothing "holding him back" or nothing to make him think twice about his actions
@@negativecreep9140 My bad I must’ve misread your comment then. I agree without Abigail and Jack John would’ve just been another outlaw running with Dutch and probably would’ve been killed off much sooner
There is a scene, Arthur and Dutch are riding thru the snow, Dutch mentions Micah and John and searching for them. He says something about "finding 1 of them". Kind of suggests that both men weren't supposed to be found, only 1 was... I think Dutch had been trying to get rid of John since Blackwater.
@theplunderking John was a man born with little to nothing, swept up into a life he didn't choose, coerced into believing a cause that didn't exist, and being forced into raising a kid that at first he didn't want. Over the course of the story of the second game we see him after his return, accepting that Jack is his kid despite who the father may be, trying to be a better partner to Abigail, attempting to use his head and figure out his values, and in the end deciding that family and safety were what mattered to him. But sure forget nuance in a character arc.
Javier left John to die Javier decided to turn his gun on John (metaphorically) Javier stood by dutch Javier betrayed John and in doing so betrayed himself
I'm ready to buy a remake of RDR 1 for any money just for the sake of Rockstar changing this scene and showing Javier as the person we recognized in Part 2. And also that John at least remembered Arthur.
If they do that i wanna be present when they hang Javier he really was a piece of shit. In both games... at the end in RDR2 his true character comes out.
either way, he's gonna die. I don't think they'd let a Van Der Linde gang member walk free, especially after being sought after for years. he either leaves with a bullet wound or a rope around his neck. a bullet always seemed more dignified.
You skipped the part where Javier willfully left John to die… twice actually. What’s with the urge of people to romanticize Javier as if he’s a good guy, he was a thief an outlaw and a killer who, unlike John, Arthur, Sadie, and Charles refused to accept reality and change and redeem himself for his past. Instead he clung to the only life he had ever known and when faced with the bitter reality of its closure chose to run and hide. He was not a good dude, he (like almost every one of the rest of the gang) killed multiple innocent people for the crime of getting in his way. Him rescuing John at the beginning is about the nicest thing he does in the whole game and Hosea has to convince him to do it after he’s reluctant. He was never one of the good guys, even in a world as morally grey as RDR.
The Javier Escuella dickriders are delusional, man... Don't get me wrong, they can like the character all they want, but excusing his bad decisions by saying stuff like: "he didn't deserve the ending that he got" or "he was just mislead by Dutch and Micah" is such bullshit. You know how you can tell Javier's an asshole deep down? Look how he interacts with poor Kieran in camp. Those moments tell you the kinda person he truly is (not to mention how he acts during the chapter 6 camp conversations, where he goes "full asshole mode"...).
Now everyone thinks Javier was loyal to John and Arthur lmao. Definitely shows they never beat the whole game of rdr2. Javier was manipulated by Dutch and chose to be a coward.
John cared for Javier, and if you kill him instead of taking him alive in RDR1 John sheds a tear and spit on Javier to avoid getting lost in his feelings.
RDR1 John doesn't outright admit it, but the betrayal really hurt him. You can hear it in his voice when he gives that speech to Javier. The comraderie meant something to him, and of course, Arthur
After all my play throughs and all my lives, Javier is and always will be my personal favorite, he truly appreciates the gang and he truly trusted Dutch, and he played guitar to make everyone feel better. Rip to a real one
I hope Javier escuella didn't die We never actually saw him get hung he could have easily snuck away or something I think that should be rdr 3 story Javier escaping to Mexico the journey him meeting or forming a new gang and him atoning for his past And if you actually watch when everyone turned on Arthur Javier was the only one who had his gun in the air and not pointed at him I think he was just following orders and hoping everything turned out fine
It’s confirmed later on in a newspaper that Javier dies regardless. He gets executed at some point between him getting captured and John arriving in blackwater. How would he even escape bro we literally see him get handed off to the fbi and John even says it himself when he’s reunited with his family that they’re safe now because Dutch, Bill, and Javier are dead
@@josephstalin2606 there are plenty of protagonist who say there enemies are dead but then they somehow come back and also And also Javier could have paid them to say that or could have escaped and they just said he got hung so they wouldn't look like a bunch of bitches And also if they can't do a future Javier then they could show Javier in the paste when he was fighting in the Spanish-american war as a rogue Which is cannon
@@shadowboy3550 Yea and in those “plenty” of examples when they fake a death like that it’s usually a huge reveal later in the game. It’s been 12 years and at this point it’s confirmed Javier dies regardless he’ll either die by Johns gun or by a noose. And Javier never fought in the Spanish American war he’s way too young to have fought in that. He was a revolutionary in Mexico and was forced to flee to America where he became an outlaw
@@shadowboy3550 Actually we do know one thing and it’s that they don’t give a shit about anything other than gta online which is there cash cow. And when gta 6 eventually drops all their time and effort will go to that online version. Unfortunately it’s been a long time since players got anything single player dlc related from rockstar
“You know, that life we lived is over. And when we was livin’ it. It didn’t mean nothing anyway. It was just an excuse and we all knew” I literally felt that as an adult reminiscing on my childhood days.
It really pisses me off when people in the comments have give John marston shit for killing Javier. It blows my mind just how many people don’t understand the story
Never understimate the Javier Escuella dickriders, my friend... They'll twist the facts in order feed their idealized version of Javier that doesn't exist.
He was looking at Hosea and it was a look to hint that him and Hosea talked about John before because this is the part where the game reveals John and Arthur’s beef. It’s like he wants to talk back to Hosea but he knows that Hosea is right so he doesn’t say anything but just looks
I only played a couple of missions in RDR1 but once I saw this part on UA-cam it was so sad because Javier is one of my favorite gang members even though in RDR2 he betrayed Arthur and John and everyone else who would be on Arthur’s side but as we all should know he had his gun pointed at Dutch and then it went up then he pointed it at Arthur and John but Javier will be the best the best one that was on Dutch’s side
He also had little context in what was going since he was on lookout for most of the scene. All he sees after coming in is Pinkertons on the way and Arthur and John pointing their guns at Dutch. With better context on what was being said, maybe he would’ve thought more about it. You can clearly see he’s hesitant without any context
@@NEIBAREMEG yeah I truly believe Micah was the parasite that poisoned the gang, he manipulated Dutch and kept on until the whole gang was as desperate and violent as him, Javier included
I heard that elements of all the faces of the male gang members were put in to make it incredibly ambiguous who the real father was. Not sure if there's any validity to that claim, but I can see it, and like the idea that John isn't a father because he feels he needs to be, but because he wants to and loves Jack regardless of who his father is.
@tolgasupreme381 homo/whore/bitch depending where you are from. Usually used as slang for a friend or a person you meet. Its the masculine version of the term puta which usually specifically means whore. Im from Argentina and to us its very commonly used and its usually to friends and or family.
Rdr2 Javier joins Dutch and the other idiot. They turn against John and Arthur. John goes hunting for everyone who betrayed them and left them for dead and let Arthur die being betrayed
he was too loyal to dutch and didn’t know what to do, either trust his brothers or trust dutch and his loyalty was his downfall as he trusted the wrong side and well, you see where that got him
Just keep playing, don't let us spoil it for you. But out of them all he's still in my opinion one of the most honorable in rdr1 even if he turned on his own morals
Whats sad is that Javier probably didnt mean the words he said to john about wishing him and abigail to rot in hell. it's just his anger getting the best of him and coming out of his mouth, cause Javier really does see john(and arthur) as his brothers seeing as he didnt point his revolver at them in the final mission as arthur. And how in both games he reffers to john as "Brother" and if Javier really did hate john he would be yelling out his name with pure hate and anger just as anakin said to obi wan kenobi but the saddest fact about javier was he only wanted a family as he was kicked out of his home country alone, then fell in with the van der linde gang and we all know how that ended out, then made his own gang and lost that aswell but to find out the last person he saw as a family was the one about to kill him all over the one thing he(Javier) doesnt have... Family The one thing he ever wanted The one thing he never got The one thing he always lost
Javier is very good guy do you know that scene in red dead redemption two when Arthur points the gun at Micah Javier didn’t pointed the gun at Arthur 😢😢
Honestly though, John is more right. Javier might have went to find him in that blizzard, for Dutch, out of the sake of loyalty, and his actor said he didn't want Javier to be a betrayer, but he still betrayed Arthur and John. He clearly doesn't care about John as he goes from acting like his brother, to calling him a puto, that he was always a puto, which means pussy. That's what he truly thought of john. He probably only helped John outta pity.
It’s so weird playing RDR1 for the first time AFTER RDR2, everything was set up and established only to live it out and then know the outcome. I don’t believe I missed out, I got the better experience. 2 best games I have ever played.
Javier was among the group of riders that was supposed to go save John after he got shot during the last train heist. JAVIER WAS THERE WHEN JOHN GOT LEFT BEHIND....
Keep in mind at the end of the gang in 2 when everyone is pointing guns Javier doesn't point his. The actor specifically requested it saying he didn't think Javier would do really want to betray Arthur
I had played RDR long time ago that I forgot about Javier.I didn't recognize Javier in RDR2 at first but after finishing RDR 2 and going back to RDR on xbox 360 I rememberd everything and It was really sad to see how Javier ends up
I honestly just played this mission myself for the first time recently and I brought him back alive and near the end when he was saying “I hope you and your wife and children rot in hell” I couldn’t stop thinking of when you brought jack back in rdr2 and he was singing at his return and just how much he changed..
The thing is tho at then end of RDR2 Arthur telss John to run and NEVER look back. This was so John didnt fall back in the group and relive all that and John took that to heart. He saw what Arthur wanted and tried his best to live it for him.
Javier did loved John like a brother, which makes the stand off in rdr2 (before the Pinkertons came to the camp) Javier was hesitant to point his gun at Arthur and John. Which I'm sure in an Alternate universe if Javier went with Arthur and Saddie to rescue John from prison. And they had that same talk I'm sure even Javier might have considered to side with John and Arthur given he understands what they meant that Dutch has changed.
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Javier hurts the most. He was such a great guy during RDR2, and I feel like it was very hard on him what went down.
I kinda saw it coming from Bill, but not Javier...
Javier was different, Bill stayed with Dutch cuz he's a fucking idiot, Javier stayed with Dutch because he didn't know any better.
I started hating John after I learned Javier saved John from those wolves and Arthur didn't even want to go and John repayed him like that
@@92mrbangbang to be fair John really didn't have a choice the government was holding his wife and child ransom until he turned in the gang
There's dialogue from Bill, at the end of the game, where he's pretty emotional about it. He's says something to Javier about he's just destroyed about what's happening to the gang and he doesn't blame Arthur and John for it.
@@92mrbangbang really you started hating John? Javier was with the traitors. He was only loyal when it suit him. He deserved every bit of what he got. I always catch him alive so he is gonna get hung like the dog that is.
The fact that they made a whole game with a whole backstory, then 8 years later they finally made the backstory and it just makes everything make sense and fits together.
Thank u cause cause u helped me understand the timeline now imma find the first game to play
@@GrantedArt The second game is amazing and so was the first one
That's what I love about the original Lord of the rings trilogy, saying a bunch of terms and quotes and never explaining them unless you look up more yourself or wait long enough for an adaptation
😂
I always thought RDR1 came out earlier than that, must be confusing it with Red Dead Revolver
that line was cold asf😭😭 “one day is all you’ve got left”
Marston the fuckin legend of badass lines
@@Bithe_Get Arthur is way better 🤓
@@DeadX2 na john is the king for badass lines but Arthur is the king of intimidation
@@the_aidan89 nah arthur and John are trash jack is better to play as boy 🤡🤡
@@5679_ nah John’s daughter who passed away at a young age was way more badass than any of them
in RDR1 if you bring him dead youll actually see John cry a little
John literaly just spit on his corpse and leave
@@snaffu5686 yeah right before he spits hes crying, he spits to act dettached from it
@@comandantethorn9929 I looked it up and you’re right. He does cry. For a brief second. But then as you said spits to detach.
If you play both games it really drives home the point that John had to keep convincing himself what he was doing was right all he had to do was disappear like Arthur said
@@bearhunter54321 the way I see it he's sad about what Javier turned out to be. That's why he spits on him while crying. I've known many people who have made me cry and I'd spit in their faces too. Let's just say I've been in a dark dark road for the past year. And every single time I go to my own flesh and blood brother he tell me that I should just "get over it" and that "nobody cares". Honestly I didn't cry that time when he said that. But I honestly relate to John in that scene on so many levels. Because hearing something like that from your brother isn't easy. First time I he told me something like that I cried but if given the chance I would spit in his face. Just like John. And not just a brother but, exes, ex best friends and teachers who I trusted and looked up to. This game hit me hard because I see ALOT of the people in my life and they're very similar to characters such as John, Javier, and Dutch and unfortunately I've ran into a few Micah's as well. Although they've all made me cry. I'd still spit in their faces. Didn't mean to get personal but this game made me see things very clearly. It's a beautiful story and sadly something I relate to. Obviously I'm not an outlaw, but I've been in my fair share of trouble with the cops. John spit because not only is he heartbroken by what his brother in arms turned out to be but he's pissed that he's been forced to be in a situation where he has to sentence his brother to death. So he spits on him to detach.
The whole red dead story makes me cry man
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 "You lived your way, you'll die your way."
-Reverand Swanson
*Makes grown man cry
@grovezone213and Jack
@@Anonymous-hx3pu “You have to yourself a fire” my favourite quote from him
It’s sad how devote Javier was to the gang only to have Dutch break him mentally. It’s said javier takes the splitting up of the group the hardest, which makes sense when you hear his story. Dutch literally taught him English and gave Javier a fighting chance to survive in America, only to completely fuck him over for his own gain. Brutal.
well.. lots of speculations about what happened to dutch. mental illness, delusion, gone crazy when hosea was killed and nobody could keep him in check, or maybe what john said to sadie-dutch didn't change, he just turned into what he really is.
we didn't know what exactly happened when javier joined in, but he was so hugely in debt to dutch, or like what u said, he owed him his life thus loyalty
Dutch leaving all of his children just to see the rat years later made me hate him so much more after everything they all did for him Dutch just abandoned them like they were nothing he left Lenny after he was shot, wanted John to rot in Jail, Left Arthur to be killed by the Army, left eagle flies to die after his PLAN went south, he left John to die after the train robbery, he left miss Grimshaw to die and sided with the man that shot her, he even left Arthur during his final moments he never cared if he did he would have stayed by his side and after all that he just leaves bill and Javier after all they did for him he just left them with nothing did he even care for Sean or Jack or was it all just an excuse to have revenge on the Grays and Braithwaites he did talk about revenge for his father
Playing rdr2 gives lines from rdr1 a whole new meaning
That's the point? It was done on purpose
@@welch1284 clearly, I'm just making a statement
@@danielt4194 don't wanna be rude but there's no need to state the obvious
@Screw Head713 not gonna fall for the bait. That was an explaination.
Dude, just cuz you act like a better person denying a argument
Dosent mean you didnt start it bud
He can state anything he wants, obvious or not.
Javier and John never hated each other. Javier was misled for so long but even in the end he was just heart broken. So was John.
Javi never beat jhon and left him for dead in the arm of the law
It might not be hate, but jhon should have forgiven Javi and just beatten him and told him to live a clean life or hes comming back
Javier is clearly shown as one of the men that left John to die along with Dutch and Micah. Javier is also seen multiple times throughout chapter 6 berating John and his family for their lack of faith in Dutch so no I think what you meant was that they didn’t always hate each other but as the gang became more broken the animosity between them grew and by rdr1 they’re no longer friends
@@donovanulrich348Javier literally did leave John to die twice. John has no choice but to capture him. I have a feeling you didn’t play rdr if you think John is able to let him go live a clean life
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u when the government tells you to kill or be killed
Know you already have a toe tag, they just needed a puppet to control the narrative. And they picked you
No I don't think John from rdr would have been hunted by Javier, if he would have stayed out of his old life
Fun Fact:
Even Javier’s VA and motion cap actor is so heartbroken over Javier betraying Arthur and John that he requested Javier to not have his gun point at them during the gang shootout scene in chapter 6
source: believe me bro
@@TerribleGamesTV2 don't be an idiot. You can find the interviews with some of the VAs. You'd know that if you did some research.
@@TerribleGamesTV2 haha
stay mad
@@TerribleGamesTV2 ?
I felt a bit sorry for Javier when I locked him in a cell
Hi Abigail
Hey Abigail
@@finneseyob1tch524 hello John
@@AureliaLovesBeans hi
Hey abigail
Nobody mentions Arthur in Rdr because he didn’t exist at the time… but now that he does I like to think it’s because they all know he’d be disappointed in them.
That is my new headcannon. They're all too shameful. Shame on them.
Arthur (and arguably john) was the only one of the gang who truly deserved peace. (imp Hosea could get thrown in aswell)
@@nikolaimironov3446 Saddie
@@nikolaimironov3446 lennie too
@@esilva7592 yeah u rigjt
“One day You’ll regret this”John: “one days about all you have left.”
Wow man seriously? I honestly couldn't read it or hear what Javier said so thanks alot
@@vodenimeded there is a thing called a ✨ quote ✨ and repeating it
@@AureliaLovesBeans nah man he just seriously didn’t understand any of it, treat him as if you just helped him greatly because that’s all he deserves
@@AureliaLovesBeans tysm for reapeating it man u heping me thxs alot
@@smartii3s e d g y
I just finished the story of rdr2 on Friday and it just made the entire story of the first game so much more sad and heartbreaking
I just finished the story on Friday and the epilogue on Saturday
Lol, finsihed it the same week. I also played it in like 1 and 1/2 weeks xD
@@errorschnansch1892 it's amazing to see this amazing game still drawing in new players
Just finished the epilogue today, what a rollercoaster of emotions
@@Angle_city_elite i got PS plus extra recently, always was interested into playing it
Javier’s shift of character at the end of RDR2 was so sudden that even his actor felt that Rockstar was doing him a disservice. I just think that more depth should have been given to the development of his character shift because the Javier we get in RDR1 and RDR2 are two completely different people.
This.
Because Rdr2 was never planned from the beginning, that's why there many incongruences when you play the first after the second
I think a lot of Javiers attitude not only comes from changes in his life after the gang, such as being betrayed by dutch and running with seemingly bad people afterward. But also that John was the one to take him in, I think he's telling the truth when he says he still loves him like a brother, forcing the two to fight must've been heartbreaking for both of them
I didn't find it to be a huge shift, I saw him as being loyal to Dutch and then 12 years of resentment later, he condemns John for supposedly tearing apart the group
Agreed completely.
If they remaster RDR1 they need to change this scene. Javier was a good guy just mislead
Javier deserved better. he never even left Arthur and John's side, he was afraid to in the final mission, (i believe he doesn't aim his gun at you or he hesitates it's smth like that) i understand John's family was at risk, but Javier was like family for John, he even says that when john was aiming a gun at him "We was family." -Javier Escuella, 1911. Escuella came for John to rescue him from wolves in the mountains, Marston came for Javier to lock him in a cell.
I liked Javier in the first part of RDR2, but he became a rat since chapter 6
@@manuellozano772 he wasn’t a rat was just blinded by loyalty
@@fish_man147 He was loyal to traitors a cold blood murderers, so he ended up being a rat to the gang
@@manuellozano772 rat how
it breaks my heart knowing how highly javier thought of john in rdr2 and seeing him say that about him in rdr1
He saw jhon and Arthur as redeemable, but considered himself to far fallen
It should hit hard. Jhon is working for the Pinkertons, the government. . Just a bigger organized gang. . . Killing old friends cuz your new friends said so
Dutch had it comming
Javier was one of the people who left John to die in RDR 2, so he didn't think highly about John by the end of that game, lol.
@@b.u.l.1734 it felt pretty rushed tbh, he felt like a guy who'd be loyal to his companions at first, he was the one who suggested to look for John to arthur, but then he suddenly didn't care at all lmao
@@feelcollins4358 It's not sudden tho... There's a camp conversation in which you can see Bill implant the idea in his mind that John is a rat.
He's suspicious of John from then on.
@@b.u.l.1734 bro marston was among the oldest members in the gang alongside Arthur with over 15-20 years, they already know his character. It didn't even take a whole year for the whole camp except Dutch to know micah is scummy and more likely to backstab someone, Arthur was especially wary of this even. I'm pretty sure bill and javier had a feeling at least that micah was untrustworthy, but they trusted Dutch who was blind to micah's deception.
“He’d look for me” yeah he did 😂
Not in the good Way but yeah, he did
Arthur’s eyes in that scene tells a lot
Arthur’s?
@@duhbigweiner665 what?
@@danielg1578 nvm I rewatched it amd I see what you mean
Yea he sees John as a rat and a coward that isn't worth risking anything to rescue
@@Dr_Diaz no, he sees that Abigail is worried and is sympathetic
But dude without Javier John wouldn't be here
Arthur could've saved John by hisself
@@luckygraves6985 not really, john would be carried by arthur over to the horses so arthur would move slower while fighting the wolves, and have less mobility, and they would probably kill him.
@@JavierEscuella1899 yea you literally do the same thing online in bounty hunting. Except instead of saving the "wolfman" you're taking him to jail with a lot more wolves coming after you than the like 10 you kill in story mode
@@luckygraves6985 online mode, not story duh
@@mrscaryfox3955 yea you add nothing to the conversation dude
I wish we got a Javier DLC set after the events of the story in 2
Lol why is basically a minor Micah
People have wanted a dlc for all the gang members before and after rdr2 but a Javier aftermath or continuing Jack's story would be cool
@@gamingwizard1569 for Jack yes i would love that. But Javier is really a low cunning rat basterd. He is a two timing coward. He'd make a terrible main character.
@@easygrin1127 If you think Micah & Javier are similar at all. Your view on the rest of the game must be shit. To each their own.
@@0b100 no i love both games... But Javier is a dirthy rat basterd maybe not as vile as Micah but certainly not much better either. Bill was a idiot with a mean streak but he didn't really couldn't help himself. But Javier is as sweet talking poser who knew very well what he did.
I’d you’re old enough to have played RDR1 first, then the second games story makes the first ones story all the more sad. Also shows John’s growth as a man.
If you play it in any order it makes RDR1s story all the more sad
from saving John, singing for Jack's return, helping john
To wishing his family death, trying to kill John, betraying John and just insulting him.
@@LordCodeEye he shot at john and Arthur when they were being chased
@@micah7611 no he didn’t. That was just Dutch, Micah, cleet and joe. Bill and Javier ran instantly
@@ReaIly oh, my bad I didn't know
@@micah7611 it’s fine not a big deal
But he did left John to die tho
John had to do it to keep his family alive it’s not like he would’ve done it voluntarily
Yeah I mean he neglected his family for so long if they weren't there he would be much harder in the gang then he already was
I don't think he'd betray Arthur in the end tho cause John does have some form of a conscious and Arthur is his most valued brother
@@negativecreep9140 You’re exaggerating the amount of time that John was actually a bad father. And also just because he neglected his family years ago doesn’t mean he doesn’t have any responsibility for their lives. At this point John has been a better father literally 4 times longer than he was a bad one and he never “betrayed” Javier going after him he was forced to go after Javier and you’re forgetting that Javier left John for dead on the last train job in rdr2 so Javier betrayed John first, and this scene would be Johns revenge even though the main reason he’s doing it is for his family and not revenge
@@josephstalin2606 I never said anything about him betraying Javier... and he left the gang and his family for a whole year and wasn't very interested in his family through most of the game until he figures out what his priorities should be and changes his ways
I never said John is a bad father, he tries his best and he's my favourite protagonist dude
Also, I meant if Abigail and Jack never existed then John would have nothing "holding him back" or nothing to make him think twice about his actions
@@negativecreep9140 My bad I must’ve misread your comment then. I agree without Abigail and Jack John would’ve just been another outlaw running with Dutch and probably would’ve been killed off much sooner
You never hand in your criminal friends to the police, you can unalive them if you have to but you never hand them to the enemy.
There is a scene, Arthur and Dutch are riding thru the snow, Dutch mentions Micah and John and searching for them. He says something about "finding 1 of them". Kind of suggests that both men weren't supposed to be found, only 1 was... I think Dutch had been trying to get rid of John since Blackwater.
Also when he got caught up in bank robbery mission, Dutch didn't want to save him
Cuz John was doubting him from the start. It took Arthur a whole lot of unnecessary killing to realise
I mean John was a deadbeat, and in the end a rat that got caught and sold out his old brothers in arms. Arthur should have left his ass to the wolves
@theplunderking John was a man born with little to nothing, swept up into a life he didn't choose, coerced into believing a cause that didn't exist, and being forced into raising a kid that at first he didn't want. Over the course of the story of the second game we see him after his return, accepting that Jack is his kid despite who the father may be, trying to be a better partner to Abigail, attempting to use his head and figure out his values, and in the end deciding that family and safety were what mattered to him. But sure forget nuance in a character arc.
@@theplunderking brothers in arms my ass, literally the entire gang turned against John and Arthur lol
I like how he sing “Javier would you ride out with Arthur “ in key of the background music
Man I am so glad someone else heard that , when the clip started I thought I had somehow missed him singing that every time I’ve played lol
@@stevensilver2880 it’s just for musical ears 👂
"One day is all you have left" is such a badass line
Guys don't be sad in my universe my plan worked and we all love Tahiti
Don't you mean Belize?
Javier left John to die
Javier decided to turn his gun on John (metaphorically)
Javier stood by dutch
Javier betrayed John and in doing so betrayed himself
Javier actually pointed his gun at sky
Javier didn't turn his gun to John
Actually Javier didn’t want to shoot them
@@Beanerboy2007 he's a pack fallower
If dutch pulled the trigger then javier would too
He and Arthur saved John from the wolfs
I think that Javier's betrayal in RDR2 was the most twisted possible. I kinda knew about Micah or Dutch, but not Javier
John’s voice is amazing such a great actor
I'm ready to buy a remake of RDR 1 for any money just for the sake of Rockstar changing this scene and showing Javier as the person we recognized in Part 2. And also that John at least remembered Arthur.
If they do that i wanna be present when they hang Javier he really was a piece of shit. In both games... at the end in RDR2 his true character comes out.
RDR1 is perfect the way it is, RDR2 needs to change
@@merpleberg facts, rdr2 fans don’t realize that it was the second game that created all the retcons and inconsistencies.
Not flushing out the story in the first
Created the plot holes bud 😂😂 your projecting
"I HAVE A GOD DAM PLAN" said Rockstar
Why are you rdr2 fans so blindly loyal to that game that you think the first one needs to change to correct the seconds plot holes.
"You're still a PUTO" Being Mexican that's the most funny scene I ever seen.
Exactly 😂
Fr if you're Hispanic "you're still a PUTO" is the funniest line
“You know that life we lived is over” 😢 idk why but those words hit harder for me than the rest of it.
I always kill Javier, I don’t think John would allow the law to take any of his former brothers over putting them down himself
I didn't think of that but it def fits his character. Good insight
either way, he's gonna die. I don't think they'd let a Van Der Linde gang member walk free, especially after being sought after for years. he either leaves with a bullet wound or a rope around his neck. a bullet always seemed more dignified.
He’d know it’d hurt him more than letting the law deal with them but it’s his business to deal with not the laws.
you kill javier?
what was your reaction
The fact it slipt on his face made me cry
John looked for him but in a different way
The glimpse at Abigail and Jack that Arthur gives. ❤
So everyone is gonna ignore how he spits when he says "puto"
Still playin in 2023 love this game
TBF to John, the last time he saw Javier, he was riding in a posse that would have killed him as a traitor based on nothing but Dutch's paranoia.
You skipped the part where Javier willfully left John to die… twice actually.
What’s with the urge of people to romanticize Javier as if he’s a good guy, he was a thief an outlaw and a killer who, unlike John, Arthur, Sadie, and Charles refused to accept reality and change and redeem himself for his past. Instead he clung to the only life he had ever known and when faced with the bitter reality of its closure chose to run and hide. He was not a good dude, he (like almost every one of the rest of the gang) killed multiple innocent people for the crime of getting in his way. Him rescuing John at the beginning is about the nicest thing he does in the whole game and Hosea has to convince him to do it after he’s reluctant. He was never one of the good guys, even in a world as morally grey as RDR.
Should've put in the part where Javier left John to die. And the part where he turned on Arthur.
The Javier Escuella dickriders are delusional, man...
Don't get me wrong, they can like the character all they want, but excusing his bad decisions by saying stuff like: "he didn't deserve the ending that he got" or "he was just mislead by Dutch and Micah" is such bullshit.
You know how you can tell Javier's an asshole deep down? Look how he interacts with poor Kieran in camp. Those moments tell you the kinda person he truly is (not to mention how he acts during the chapter 6 camp conversations, where he goes "full asshole mode"...).
Now everyone thinks Javier was loyal to John and Arthur lmao. Definitely shows they never beat the whole game of rdr2. Javier was manipulated by Dutch and chose to be a coward.
Javier in RDR2: Gigachad suave
Javier in RDR1: Speedy Gonzalez
John cared for Javier, and if you kill him instead of taking him alive in RDR1 John sheds a tear and spit on Javier to avoid getting lost in his feelings.
"What happened? Where's your trust? Where's your faith? It's by staying together we live"
These lines from Javier hits so hard on the 2nd playthrough
RDR1 John doesn't outright admit it, but the betrayal really hurt him. You can hear it in his voice when he gives that speech to Javier.
The comraderie meant something to him, and of course, Arthur
After all my play throughs and all my lives, Javier is and always will be my personal favorite, he truly appreciates the gang and he truly trusted Dutch, and he played guitar to make everyone feel better. Rip to a real one
In rdr2 Javier points his gun in the air meaning he's neutral
He really isn't... He is a traitor he got no class
Neutral my ass. He straight up left John to die.
@@b.u.l.1734 ye and Arthur too... He is one of the biggest traitors in the rdr universe.
Didn't look neutral in the shot right before the pinkertons fired, when he is in fact, pointing his gun at Arthur and John
@@humanlyhuman1 He was there when John was left to die, so l HIGHLY doubt that.
"One day's about all you have left" thats coldd
I hope Javier escuella didn't die
We never actually saw him get hung he could have easily snuck away or something
I think that should be rdr 3 story
Javier escaping to Mexico the journey him meeting or forming a new gang and him atoning for his past
And if you actually watch when everyone turned on Arthur Javier was the only one who had his gun in the air and not pointed at him I think he was just following orders and hoping everything turned out fine
It’s confirmed later on in a newspaper that Javier dies regardless. He gets executed at some point between him getting captured and John arriving in blackwater. How would he even escape bro we literally see him get handed off to the fbi and John even says it himself when he’s reunited with his family that they’re safe now because Dutch, Bill, and Javier are dead
@@josephstalin2606 there are plenty of protagonist who say there enemies are dead but then they somehow come back and also
And also Javier could have paid them to say that or could have escaped and they just said he got hung so they wouldn't look like a bunch of bitches
And also if they can't do a future Javier then they could show Javier in the paste when he was fighting in the Spanish-american war as a rogue
Which is cannon
@@shadowboy3550 Yea and in those “plenty” of examples when they fake a death like that it’s usually a huge reveal later in the game. It’s been 12 years and at this point it’s confirmed Javier dies regardless he’ll either die by Johns gun or by a noose. And Javier never fought in the Spanish American war he’s way too young to have fought in that. He was a revolutionary in Mexico and was forced to flee to America where he became an outlaw
@@josephstalin2606 your right I had my games wrong
And also we don't know anything when it comes to rockstar
@@shadowboy3550 Actually we do know one thing and it’s that they don’t give a shit about anything other than gta online which is there cash cow. And when gta 6 eventually drops all their time and effort will go to that online version. Unfortunately it’s been a long time since players got anything single player dlc related from rockstar
“You know, that life we lived is over. And when we was livin’ it. It didn’t mean nothing anyway. It was just an excuse and we all knew”
I literally felt that as an adult reminiscing on my childhood days.
It really pisses me off when people in the comments have give John marston shit for killing Javier.
It blows my mind just how many people don’t understand the story
Never understimate the Javier Escuella dickriders, my friend...
They'll twist the facts in order feed their idealized version of Javier that doesn't exist.
Preach
That close up of Arthur looking at Abigail.
He was looking at Hosea and it was a look to hint that him and Hosea talked about John before because this is the part where the game reveals John and Arthur’s beef. It’s like he wants to talk back to Hosea but he knows that Hosea is right so he doesn’t say anything but just looks
Tbh I had a little laugh when Javier called John a puto xD and I did end up trying to free him but I couldn't
I only played a couple of missions in RDR1 but once I saw this part on UA-cam it was so sad because Javier is one of my favorite gang members even though in RDR2 he betrayed Arthur and John and everyone else who would be on Arthur’s side but as we all should know he had his gun pointed at Dutch and then it went up then he pointed it at Arthur and John but Javier will be the best the best one that was on Dutch’s side
he didn't betray Arthur and John. he pointed his gun to the sky to show neutrality.
He left John to die, my dude...
That's a pretty big betrayal 😂.
Koga really went down
Javier gets too much credit for pointing his gun in the air he still stood by dutch and Micah
He was also with Dutch, Micah, and Joe when they “went back” for John and it was revealed later that they actually all left him there to die
@@josephstalin2606 exactly
Correct. The Javier Escuella dickriders conveniently forget that he left John to die during that last train heist.
Actually when the camera cuts back to javier in the standoff, a split second before the shot, he does point his gun at them.
He also had little context in what was going since he was on lookout for most of the scene. All he sees after coming in is Pinkertons on the way and Arthur and John pointing their guns at Dutch. With better context on what was being said, maybe he would’ve thought more about it. You can clearly see he’s hesitant without any context
Oh, he did look for you.
All the things Javier did for John and then he just gets shit back..
Javier left him to die along with the others, don't forget
@@GoliathWarfare Atleast he went looking for John in the start, and when Hosea died the gang fell apart
@@NEIBAREMEG yeah I truly believe Micah was the parasite that poisoned the gang, he manipulated Dutch and kept on until the whole gang was as desperate and violent as him, Javier included
Arthur looking at Abigail looked so real it's crazy
RDR1 and RDR2 Javier were not really the same character
Right? People gotta be blind if they don't see the second game was not planned from the beginning
He is. He's just 12 years older.
And he did look for Javier.....
Once you realize Jack looks more like javier than John, you realize the real "Puto" is Javier all along.
I heard that elements of all the faces of the male gang members were put in to make it incredibly ambiguous who the real father was. Not sure if there's any validity to that claim, but I can see it, and like the idea that John isn't a father because he feels he needs to be, but because he wants to and loves Jack regardless of who his father is.
@@88HELLJUMPER88 I ain't shit talking John, he's the best. But as a fellow Latino, thats a Hispanic man if I've ever seen one lol
What's the word puto mean?
@tolgasupreme381 homo/whore/bitch depending where you are from. Usually used as slang for a friend or a person you meet. Its the masculine version of the term puta which usually specifically means whore. Im from Argentina and to us its very commonly used and its usually to friends and or family.
Jack isn't Hispanic.He's Scottish American with a slight tan.Hell he's whiter than john.
I played the second game before the first. I couldn't believe how Javier changed as a character. He was a decent man at the start.
Guys im new to red dead and I don’t know much about rdr1 why did javier go bad
Rdr2 Javier joins Dutch and the other idiot. They turn against John and Arthur. John goes hunting for everyone who betrayed them and left them for dead and let Arthur die being betrayed
he was too loyal to dutch and didn’t know what to do, either trust his brothers or trust dutch and his loyalty was his downfall as he trusted the wrong side and well, you see where that got him
Just keep playing, don't let us spoil it for you. But out of them all he's still in my opinion one of the most honorable in rdr1 even if he turned on his own morals
@@wusimu22 he didn't betray Arthur. Arthur sacrificed himself to save john and his family cause he knew he was dead anyway
@@luckygraves6985 mate read what I wrote. I said Dutch betrayed Arthur and John
Whats sad is that Javier probably didnt mean the words he said to john about wishing him and abigail to rot in hell. it's just his anger getting the best of him and coming out of his mouth, cause Javier really does see john(and arthur) as his brothers seeing as he didnt point his revolver at them in the final mission as arthur. And how in both games he reffers to john as "Brother" and if Javier really did hate john he would be yelling out his name with pure hate and anger just as anakin said to obi wan kenobi but the saddest fact about javier was he only wanted a family as he was kicked out of his home country alone, then fell in with the van der linde gang and we all know how that ended out, then made his own gang and lost that aswell but to find out the last person he saw as a family was the one about to kill him all over the one thing he(Javier) doesnt have...
Family
The one thing he ever wanted
The one thing he never got
The one thing he always lost
Sad to see a friendship like them destroyed like that
I love that small detail where Javier says puto,u can see some spit come out.
Javier is very good guy do you know that scene in red dead redemption two when Arthur points the gun at Micah Javier didn’t pointed the gun at Arthur 😢😢
These games will always be some of the best I ever played. I hate how it all ends, but I can't help admiring them.
I mean they forced john to do it you know?
Javier is such a good character I'm glad we have the same name.
Honestly though, John is more right. Javier might have went to find him in that blizzard, for Dutch, out of the sake of loyalty, and his actor said he didn't want Javier to be a betrayer, but he still betrayed Arthur and John. He clearly doesn't care about John as he goes from acting like his brother, to calling him a puto, that he was always a puto, which means pussy. That's what he truly thought of john. He probably only helped John outta pity.
Situation will reverse
We all know Jack is Javier’s kid.
It’s so weird playing RDR1 for the first time AFTER RDR2, everything was set up and established only to live it out and then know the outcome. I don’t believe I missed out, I got the better experience. 2 best games I have ever played.
I hate John for what he did to Javier, he didn’t deserved that
@@firewolf4271 at least he could show some empathy
Javier 100% deserved this.
@@rinzlercz1812 Javier left him for dead.
Fuck Javier, rdr2 chose to make him more likeable than he should have been. Blame Rockstar not John.
Javier was among the group of riders that was supposed to go save John after he got shot during the last train heist.
JAVIER WAS THERE WHEN JOHN GOT LEFT BEHIND....
When Javier said "I know" he sounded Canadian
Javier? That’s My Name.
Keep in mind at the end of the gang in 2 when everyone is pointing guns Javier doesn't point his. The actor specifically requested it saying he didn't think Javier would do really want to betray Arthur
Javier is my favorite character and it breaks my heart seeing what happens later
I had played RDR long time ago that I forgot about Javier.I didn't recognize Javier in RDR2 at first but after finishing RDR 2 and going back to RDR on xbox 360 I rememberd everything and It was really sad to see how Javier ends up
it makes me sad that it all ended like it did. with most of the gang dead and Jack left to pick up the pieces and suffer knowing he has nobody.
You're gonne regret this. You will miss my
RDR 1 hits you a lot harder once you finish RDR 2
I honestly just played this mission myself for the first time recently and I brought him back alive and near the end when he was saying “I hope you and your wife and children rot in hell” I couldn’t stop thinking of when you brought jack back in rdr2 and he was singing at his return and just how much he changed..
I felt the spit on my face when he said puto
You could tell John only wanted the best. Such an incredible story
Bro I literally thought this video was going to be Hosea rapping because of the way the music intertwined with the first few lines of dialogue
Dude Arthur hits me right where it hurts Love his character
It Is so goddamn impressive how much grafics improve
one thing i noticed later on as this game got older , there’s a lot of foreshadowinggggg
I liked Javier in rdr 2 for the most part. He never really seemed like the type of guy who would side with Dutch and betray John and Arthur
The foreshadowing bro 😢
Greed and Delusions took an insane toll.
His accent got stronger in the first one
The thing is tho at then end of RDR2 Arthur telss John to run and NEVER look back. This was so John didnt fall back in the group and relive all that and John took that to heart. He saw what Arthur wanted and tried his best to live it for him.
Javier did loved John like a brother, which makes the stand off in rdr2 (before the Pinkertons came to the camp) Javier was hesitant to point his gun at Arthur and John. Which I'm sure in an Alternate universe if Javier went with Arthur and Saddie to rescue John from prison. And they had that same talk I'm sure even Javier might have considered to side with John and Arthur given he understands what they meant that Dutch has changed.
Why are people praising Javier ? He’s a snake in chapter 6 talking to Micah behind Arthur’s back and is super hostile at camp. I prefer Charles.
when i was younger i played rdr1 and when john died i was so sad bc i loved the game that much
A lot of these lines about the gang hit different after playing RDR2