Rupertus Pepperbox: A Sophisticated 8-Shot Rimfire Pocket Gun
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The Rupertus Patent Pistol Manufacturing Company was founded in Philadelphia by Bavarian-born Jacob Rupertus. The company made a variety of derringers, pepperboxes, and revolvers and today we are looking at an 8-shot, .22 rimfire pepperbox patented by Rupertus in 1864. It’s a tiny civilian pocket gun, and one that seems to be well made and cleverly designed. The loading port is a rotary piece that prevents any accidental firing during the loading process and also ensures that the loading port cannot come open and let a loose cartridge jam the action when in use. About 3,000 of these guns were made in the mid to late 1860s.
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"Rupertus Pepperbox!" sounds like a spell from Harry Potter.
Or a character from Harry Potter
Could also be a dapper Bri'ish gent.
Yep! It's an invisibility spell you use against your attackers, you use it and they disappear.
Literally came down here to say it sounds like a character from HP...🤣
Except infinitely less trash.
Yes, absolutely do a video on 22 rimfire cartridges
+1!
Please please please do a whole video on the history of the .22.
I don't care if it's three hours long. I'm watching every second.
I agree, its an important cartridge. By far the most accessible. Virtually everyone's introduction to shooting. Extremely practical. It warrants the exposure/examination.
Daisy red rider for me, but I think I did shoot my Dad's 22 as well when I was a youngin, I have a single shot bolt gun in 22 that was my Great grandfather's and I am pretty sure it was older than him.
I agree. I love the history of firearms and the cartridges that are used in them.
As I watch this video my first 22LR is setting next to my bed a low cost single shot well over 60 years old. As a kid I had to make a new firing pin and extractor for it.
@DB-yj3qc I've got the same thing. This was my mom's rifle back in the 40s and she gave it to me when I was ten. My dad showed me how to make a firing pin by chucking a piece of drill rod into the drill which was then chucked into a vice. Measure 5 times and use a very fine file and finish with a 1200 grit sand paper and a super fine Arkansas stone.
We definitely need a history of .22 Rimfire, and how and why it's stayed relevant for so long!
Pretty sure there are already videos on that. If you don't mind doing some reading, Sam Fadala wrote "The Book of the Twenty-Two: The All-American Caliber" in 1989. It probably covers everything you're wanting and then some since he does .22 rimfires, and .22 centerfires (including black-powder and modern). Its still in print. Looks like it retails for around $30.
@@jkirschy
TY, but I think he was asking for a video from Ian.😉😉😉
@jkirschy Hmm, I don't typically read (despite working at a book shop), but I might have to pick that up.
Cheap? Convenient? Easy to make something that won't blow up in your face with if you use it?
@@raydenmorris5220Its a good book. I read it several times in the 90s. And about a decade ago I recommended it to Tom Gaylord when he was looking for information about the early .22 center-fires that lead to the development of the .22 Hornet. He was trying to de-evolve the Hornet to get to its precusors as a project, and I happened to mention several long-obsolete, black-powder (?), .22 center-fire cartridges that he had never heard of that got at least standard notation naming (with the caliber - black powder loading - projectile weight) and the Lyman year/# catalogs that had bullet molds (and more reloading data) that were referenced in that book in the section on history. When I told him where I heard about those cartridges, he immediately bought a copy... Anyway, its not a hard read read. It's scope is broad enough to have something for most firearms enthusiasts, be it a tracing of the development of various .22s (rim-fire and center-fire), ballistics information (which is likely a bit dated due to old loadings being dropped and new ones coming in), hunting/target rifle suggestions (again probably a bit dated at this point)... But it really did focus on why the .22 (rim fire and center-fire) was such a popular/relevant caliber.
A replica of this gun would be sweet!
Hear hear.
It fits into the niche of "cool, obsolete, fun .22"
Honestly, that's a niche that I really like.
Imagine when this was new, that brass would be a shiny gold and a very deep, blue-black on the steel. Overall though its really not a bad design for what it is and when it was made
A new productinion one would probably have a price tag north of $800 unless it was made overseas.
I was just thinking that
oooo. Yes, the development history of the .22 rim fire.
Ian's visit to Morphy's was really productive. I've lost count of the videos he's made there recently.
And there are still one or two more to go... :)
@@ForgottenWeapons Morphys:"Hmmm, each and every item Ian gets excited about and we let him make a video on gets a big groundswell in the auction, I think we are onto a good thing here!" ❤❤
@@av8bvma513 Win-win
For something this small (rather, this short) a pepperbox might even be better than trying to make a "proper" revolver so small. As Ian says, no cylinder gap (which would be very close to the shooter's hand) and no unnecessary frame parts which probably wouldn't save much cost or weight.
Would be cool if you could somehow add a selector to fire it in 'blunderbuss' mode and let rip with 8 barrels simultaneously
@@timcheeseman2956 but it would need 8 hammers
@@richardjames1812 Well, it could be a disc with eight pins in it, and they could strike the cartridge rims in a different place to the single-shot hammer. Would need a very strong spring for the size of gun and you might end up with something that would fire seven out of eight, excluding the round that was in line to the single-shot hammer. The disc would have to be something that really didn't bend (cupro béryllium?) and the spring(s) phosphur-bronze. Once you had done that, you've got something like the firing parts of a Howdah pistol, but the barrels would still need to revolve in order to fire successive single shots as well as seven at once. ua-cam.com/channels/PN852NLwm9JOG-p5Kf2Ayg.html might be content with that?
I would love to see a history of .22 and how it has changed stayed the same and held its place in the shooting community
In this size class of firearms, pepperbox looks like a very rational design.
A modern replica of this weapon, technically improved, made of modern material (stainless steel would be great!), and perhaps with more caliber options, would be very good! I would buy! Hello Davide Pedersoli! Uberti! North American Arms
Or FOSSCAD -- entirely printed, only metal being the mainspring, barrel liners and perhaps the impact surface of the hammer (the "firing pin").
Please do make a video on .22! I would love to see you talk about the history and longevity of .22, all the way from the first .22 rimfire, up to today's .22 lr, including .22 short and .22 long along the way, and how .22lr is kinda the only reason .22 long still exists. And how .22 short is more powerful than .25 ACP.
I often say, and stand by it, that .22lr is the best cartridge ever made. It may not be acceptable for defense (barring something like the AM180, which is a perfect home defense gun) but .22lr is... it's just so fun!
That is really cool gun, and like others have commented, replica with modern .22 would be awesome.
I second that motion!!! 🤠👍
At the next two gun challenge, the chauchat 30-06 and the Rupertus.
As long as the Rupertus doesn't run into its archnemeses Mini-Mos and the pistol poppers
He should take this to a back-up gun match.
That's a cute and adorable piece. I hope the seller got a good price for it.
Yes Please to a documentary on the venerable round.
Looks can be deceiving!
Maybe you can take the ejector out once it's put at halfcock and with the loading gate open? Not sure, but worth a shot
I was going to comment the same thing.
Honestly I would think he would have tried that
@@luigiswayze
Probably, but still worth mentioning!
😁😁😁😁
@@luigiswayze probably so, no hurt on mentioning it tho. Just in case
@@SqueakiestChair Indeed! Gun Jesus is not vain enough to avoid advice from elsewhere...
I had to chuckle at the tiny Rupertus on the table and all those monster MGs in the background.
Please do a .22 rimfire video!
That's the kind of innovation that helps advance firearms technology. 👍
Only thing is that SOMEHOW this became an evolutionary dead-end. Time to bring it back! It'll be easier to resurrect than the mastodon.
Just a guess, but maybe the extractor rod can't be removed, unless the loading gate is in the open position. This feature would prevent the rod from coming out when the gun is being fired.
"Rupertus Patent Pistol Manufacturing Company" is the best name for a company that makes ye old pepperboxes.
It's pretty neat to think of how this is something like the modern "'high capacity' micro-pistol" of its day. I would definitely watch a video on the original .22 rimfire cartridge.
The Peppermill pistol as an very important place in the History of the creation of Germany the united nation. As this type of gun was used in an attempted assination attempt to killer the then Prussian Chanceller Bismarck . A Bavarian Nationlist named Cohin-blind attempted to killer Bismarck in Berlin while Bismarck was taking his walk through a park after seing the King of Prussia. The next I will quote. "On the afternoon of May 7, he lay in wait for Bismarck, revolver in hand, in the Unter den Linden, a boulevard in central Berlin. The Chancellor had just reported to King Wilhelm and was now walking home. When Bismarck was close to the Russian Embassy, Cohen-Blind took aim and fired twice from behind; Bismarck spun around and grabbed his attacker, who was able to fire three more shots before soldiers from the 1st Battalion of the 2nd Guards rushed up and took him into custody. Bismarck continued on his way home. Later that night, he allowed the King's physician, Gustav von Lauer, to examine him. Lauer noted that the first three bullets had only grazed Bismarck's body and the last two had ricocheted off the ribs and had caused no major injuries."
Otto von Bismarck was a tough guy by the looks of it.he kept the that Cohin-Blind used in his office desk for years afterwards and it only strenghtened him to finish creating a single German nation which he did withing a few years of the attempt. As for Cohin-Blind he slite his throat only a few hours later while in his cell. and here is a challenge for your channel. That Peppermill gun is still around a 6 Shot Lefaucheux that is on display at the Bismarck Museum in Friedrichsruh about 24 miles south of Hamburg were his Family home is. Maybe on one of your European travels you could ask to see that gun than shaped the Modern History of Europe.
No cylinder gap means it is going to be a bit more efficient. .22s need all the help they can get.
Especially a 29gr bullet on FOUR grains of BP!!!
Hold up, bring that 1911 back in frame. That thing was clean.
That it the coolest loading gate/revolver saftey I have ever seen. So neat!
A sweet vest pistol.. likely an expansive well made era product.
Nice vid. Something about multi-barrelled guns like this have always appealed to me aesthetically.
In the back of my mind is playing a scene from Blazing Saddles, where the Kid is telling the Sheriff " don't do that , you'll just make him mad " .
Interesting little pistola , Ian .
Yes , you need to do a video on the .22 rimfire .
Make it a 2 part video , or better yet , 2 , 2 part videos . There is probably enough enough minutiae and arcane history with this round and it's variants to not need a whole lot of filler , and if you need filler , a few range scenes comparing the performance of the still available variants would work , along with a few of the most iconic .22 rimfire guns of all time .
i don't know that i never wanted a pocket pistol this bad
Oh! Judging by the thumbnail and the lack of .22 in the title I thought this would be WAY bigger, for some reason. It's so cute!
Okay this guy is super unknown and clearly very quirky please please do more of his firearms. I do like learning more about the 'underdog' companies as the stories are always so fascinating whether failed or were successful I love the idea of the little guy making a good go of it and the guns they make to either compete or get around patent or licensing laws are always really clever or just plain different. So would love to see more 'underdog' company guns please Ian.
Very nice, I bought a very nice one about 6 mounts ago for my father! Our last name is Rupertus and my father was born about 200 miles from where Jacob Rupertus was from. This will be In my family for many years from my father to me and then to my son! I'm looking for more of the Rupertus firearms. By the way you did better then most people with my last name. Thanks for the video!!! From a Rupertus from Texas!!!
I wonder if the ejector rod can only be removed with the loading gate plate pushed into an open position?
I have one and the rod come out easy. and I'm also a Rupertus! Had to get this one
That loading gate/safety is really smart.
My favorite firearm is my Remington model 514 .22. Single Shot bolt action. It was a Christmas gun when I was seven or eight years old. It’s being buried with me.
Last time I was this early weapon of the future was a G36 in a bodyshell and not a piston AR10
I think this would be a fun gun to be reproduced.
Please Ian 🙏 do a history of 22: 22flobert, 22S&W, long, extra long, long rifle, 22 Winchester (for 1903 autoloader) and probably the dozen we don't know covering black, mixed, and smokeless loads.
In amazing condition indeed.
22 rimfire history would be interesting .
I'm just kind of in awe at how good this thing looks for how old it is. Time has dulled the finish a bit sure, but it looked to be keeping time beautifully and if you could find repro ammo for it I wouldn't be afraid to fire it.
I have been thinking about pepper boxes a lot recently I am intrigued by them it’s funny that its same function is preformed today by an 8shot .22 revolver or pocket auto also usually 8 shot
I would love to see a new series just on the history of different ammunition.
The rod just pulls straight out. It does not screw in when despite having a notch for a screwdriver. The end is forked and the tension holds it in place.
Coincidentally, Pepperbox TV was announced one day ago 😊
New channel please.... "Forgotten Cartridges"! Ian's approach applied to the world of cartridges would be awesome. I find the history of cartridges just as interesting as the weapons
The fact they added that tiny rear sight notch on the hammer is adorable
The initial contrast of this pistol to the machine guns on the rack behind you was very amusing!
I would genuinely love to hear you talk about the history of .22 rim fire.
Shout out to pepper box TV
Pepperbox revolvers are always cool to see.
I'd be down for a video on the history of the .22 rimfire cartridge.
Soooo cool. Love it. Thank you Ian!!
Just love all of the old firearms and the stories behind them. Thank so much for the great videos.
Another vote for the 22 Rimfire video..Please! My first rifle (lo those many years ago lol) was, yes, a 22. BUT I just recetly got my first rimfire in 40 years... well.. a 22 conversion for my CZ Shadow... and I REALLY HAD forgotten the sheer FUN a 22 brought to the table!
I love video like this showing the forward-thinking tech of the age. I'd love to see the history of the 22LR.
This thing is surprisingly sophisticated for such a small package
These are the cool little guns I'd like to see made again.
What a delightful little pepperbox! I appreciate it.
That's a really nice little pepperbox! Thanks for the video!
This is an amazing piece of art.
That would be really cool if you do a presentation on the history of .22 rim fire cartridges. 👍
What an awesome little gun! 😀
Very cool design, well thought out and a little beauty of a firearm
I'm not sure what you mean, that looks pretty average to me sir 😂
Nice
Neat little video on a neat little peice. Definitely a handly little friend for a gentleman (or rougue) or a lady (possibly of easy virtue) to discreetly carry about the town.
Vids on forgotten (or not) cartridges would be very welcome.
I think it's really cool too! Thanks for sharing it.
Design wise that is really impressive. Very simple.
That is an amazing little piece of history.
That's quite the lovely pistol you got Ian, it's always a pleasure watching your explanations about these types of firearms. I would love a video about the .22 cartridge because that predates all the cartridges that were produced in the following centuries.
Wouldn't carry with the access disc turned would simply download to 7 rounds, but very nice little .22, excellent vest pocket self defense revolver for the 1860's. And I will join the chorus for a video on the wonders of the .22 caliber round. Most of us began our shooting lives with that round and shoot it just because of how easy it is to shoot and how much fun can be had with it, but most of us don't realize how long it has been around, how far it can reach and how deadly it really can be. Morphy's & Rock Island have such wonderful things!
Please do a history of the 22 rimfire.
Since there's no cylinder gap, that means that pepperboxes should be able to mount a suppressor
😂 just A suppressor?
@@thezieg Would a suppressor with 8 bores require one tax stamp, or would that make the world's first "eight stamp gun"?
I've heard tell of a suppressor for a SxS shotgun with two chambers milled out of a single aluminum blank, but no details on how many tax stamps were involved...
@@KevinKadow another NFA conundrum!
Don't give the ATF a reason to try and think....
1. It doesn't work.
2. Something stupid comes out as a felony
3. Somehow someone will get charged with that new felony because of something that existed for years before not harming anyone.
Really cool design!
Thanks Ian.
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Beautiful little gun.
Please do a video on the History of the 22 rimefire
That is truly a pocket pistol.
A modern version in 22mag would be interesting. I already have two NAA mini revolvers but there's something about a pepperbox that I really like.
To think I'd find a video from you within seconds of it being uploaded!
Also wow...that's quite the tiny terror. I used to draw these types of firearms way back when I first learned about guns and just couldn't stop looking up their history.
Very cool.
A .32 rimfire would have been a better choice at say 7 barrels. Google says: The . 32 short was designed in 1860 by Smith & Wesson for their Model 2 revolver. In 1868, they introduced the . 32 Long in the Model 11⁄2 Second Issue revolver. If that had been in .32 long it would have been a more viable option for defense vs a black powder .22 short.
That is a neat little gun.
Looks like it would make a great kit to build
I have often thought a pepperbox in a modern cartridge would be a viable alternative to a snub nosed revolver.
I would buy one. That being said, multiple barrels are just too much of a weight issue. I bet that little thing weighs like three Ruger LCPs, lol.
He passed away in New Jersey. There's only one firearms manufacturer left in New Jersey, Henry Repeating Arms. They only manufacturer their 22 rimfire rifle here.
It used to be a saying that everyone in the USA used a least one New Jersey manufactured item daily. Sadly that is no longer true.
@@ewathoughts8476 There's a bridge in Trenton that has a lit sign that reads "Trenton Makes The World Takes". It is criminal the way politicians destroyed the manufacturing industry in this state.
I have a Henry Golden Boy in my collection. I bought it on impulse when visiting a local Bi-Mart, and it was on sale. I haven't fired it, but I've cycled some .22 short through it to see if that would work. (It holds more rounds if you use shorts) I know this Henry isn't related to the original Henry, but it's still a cool, gold lever gun, lol.
@@MichaelPoage666 I have a Golden Boy and a Henry Frontier both are smooth, accurate and fun. Have a great time with yours.
That is so cool.
Very cool gun. Please go into the history of the 22 rf. That would be very interesting indeed.
Cool little octapistol. Thanks for sharing! See ya later!
This loading/safety mechanism is well thought out, I like it. To bad its perhaps better not to try todays .22lr... but .22 short is safe I guess.
It's a really neat little pistol , I'm surprised that some modern manufacturer hasn't made an updated version in .22LR of it, proofed for modern powders of course . It's a shame that Ian didn't say if it would actually chamber .22 , and if it was something like .22 short or .22 LR . As for a series on the .22 Rim Fire , I'd take the day off work to watch it if I couldn't watch when I liked .Thanks Ian catch You next time . Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well.
ok that's cool. several neat ideas. I'm guessing accuracy was limited
Just try pulling out the ejector rod.
It is much too loose to be in a thread, and as there is nothing loose elsewhere, especially not the cylinder, I guess the rod is held by something like a detent at its rear end.
Neat.
just looking at the thumbnail for a second this looked like a handcannon, starting the video and seeing it was like a humingbird was really funny
I have a modern one, love it.
@@DirectedEnergyWeapon Glock 42
Neat pistol
Cool thanks
Beautiful ! Twice the capacity and not much bigger than a .22 Sharps' !
Awesome lookin little peperbox